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[Gypyx]

Gypyx - will scumtell

Rude

VOTE:

dragon boi

VOTE: Iconeum

[Gypyx]

No, it means that innocent village will look very towny if town, currently he's neutral i'd say

[Gypyx]

Anyways let's make bets, this setup will either be 2 masons vs 2 mafi1 with a bit of spiciness or 1 investigative + 1 protective vs goon + PR because that's all micro normal seems to be

[Gypyx]

Should the masons claim so the investigative doesn't waste time on them?

Bruh, i'm saying we either got masons or investigatives, not both tht would be busted

Anyways don't take my setup spec too seriously

[Gypyx]

Damn, 2 lists in 2 pages from shelly, i can townlean that

[Gypyx]

Anyways let's make bets, this setup will either be 2 masons vs 2 mafi1 with a bit of spiciness or 1 investigative + 1 protective vs goon + PR because that's all micro normal seems to be

i refuse to listen to any kind of setup talk from you

Oh cmon, it's not because my setups are weird that i don't have a sense of "traditional" balance

[Gypyx]

Damn, 2 lists in 2 pages from shelly, i can townlean that

Have you played with Shelly before?

Yup

[Gypyx]

2169 was a weird game honestly, datisi performed pretty well at scum there, so i'd advise checking him out, but others are up to if you feel like making effort

[Gypyx]

Iconeum - scumlean the offhanded town comments seem pretty lamisty

I wouldn’t have scumleaned this reaction but Saudade is rubbing off on me

Saudade?

[Gypyx]

can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

[Gypyx]

can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

formatting/structuring = town?

kinda a stretch ngl

That's a stretch yes, we're early

[Gypyx]

No, it means that innocent village will look very towny if town, currently he's neutral i'd say

Also, I want to know if this is based on any meta of me or just purely my name, lol

I'm explaining what iconeum said, this ain't my opinion

[Gypyx]

can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

Is it the fact that it looks like she is putting effort in towny or is it specifically like, the format of that post

Like what distinguishes the effort in formatting from general effort or is there no distinction at all and it’s all towny?

Basically, the fact that this is in a list makes me think that like, shelly is trying to structure thier thoughts, of course scum could do that, but they're not really incentivized to as the more thougths they tell, the more attention they get / the faster we get out of RVS

[Gypyx]

Basically, the fact that this is in a list makes me think that like, shelly is trying to structure thier thoughts, of course scum could do that, but they're not really incentivized to as the more thougths they tell, the more attention they get / the faster we get out of RVS

"Shellyc posts well, fluidly as scum, doesn't necessarily have a rigid scum!trajectory either"
making readslist is strictly NAI and you're finding a bad reason to TR me

I townlean that, we'll just have to disagree there

[Gypyx]

can you tell me why you townlean Shelly’s readslists this early on

That kind of effort of structuring thier reads feel town to me, you see what i mean?

and here we have it

the first scumtell

(and i'm only half-joking)

Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

[Gypyx]

Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

see you are self aware as well lol
you know that's a bad read but you state it
...

I hope this isn't a serious post

Pedit : no

[Gypyx]

Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

it pings me because it feels like u need *any* reason to have a townread, so you thought of something that might fit

You're saying i chose deliberately to townread shelly, then tried to BS my way into TR'ing him, at page 2? I think you can see where this is getting ridiculous

[Gypyx]

I hope this isn't a serious post

why would you assume that it isn't

are you afraid of the Shellyc Tunnelling

Because the argument is just weak and based on meaningless rhetorics?

[Gypyx]

You're saying i chose deliberately to townread shelly, then tried to BS my way into TR'ing him, at page 2? I think you can see where this is getting ridiculous

your thought process seems like
ok I'm gonna TR shelly
oh shelly made a structured readslist let me TR her for that

which is fitting evidence to reads which is scummy

It was more

Oh shelly made 2 readlists interesting
Yeah seems like okay stuff, i like the effort
"Shelly town guys"

OMG YOU CAN'T TOWNLEAN SOMEONE FOR MAKING READLISTS GYPIWX OUTED SXUMFUCK GUYS

[Gypyx]

Mind saying how this is a scumtell exactly? It's apparently a bad read, but that doesn't make it come from a scum mindest

it pings me because it feels like u need *any* reason to have a townread, so you thought of something that might fit

You're saying i chose deliberately to townread shelly, then tried to BS my way into TR'ing him, at page 2? I think you can see where this is getting ridiculous

i'm saying that the reason you used to get a townlean on someone was pinging me enough to call it out

So you aren't actually linking "bad" reasons to read someone to being scum, cool

[Gypyx]

gypyx, in the one game we played together where you were town i managed to instantly townread you

i don't get that here

I played with you as town?

[Gypyx]

Well, if you're just gonna poke at me for misusing words don't mind if i ditch the conversation

[Gypyx]

Yes of course, one word, with similar meaning, in a post writing my mindset that i made in about 20 seconds, this is cleary a scumslip showing that i actually thought that shelly is doing effort with the readlist and is town, but i lied and told y'all that it was actually the structure

[Gypyx]

More than the readslist thing itself, I don’t like gypyx’s reaction to getting fos’d. At no point since we started jumping on him for the readslist townlean did do anything but stubbornly defend his read and make sarcastic comments about how he’s caught scum for that. It feels a bit like defensive scum getting accused for the wrong reasons.

VOTE: Gypyx

The thing is that... what am I even supposed to do, I get a read that's bad / illogical, if i defend it i'm scum for stubbornly defending that read, and if I drop that read i'm scum for being indecisive and not really having a direction

You see the problem? There's no good option for me, a bad read will get me scumread even though i'm just trying to fucking figure out the game

And getting caugth for the wrong reasons is also a thing that happens for town except every reason is a wrong reason

Sorry, I needed that venting tbh

[Gypyx]

Because i thought it wasn't bad

[Gypyx]

@shelly

Well, they kinda explained why readlists aren't AI, and you insist that's within your scum range so... yeah?

[Gypyx]

Gypyx, i see your concerns. My thing is that I think the stubbornness for defending the read vehemently when everyone else seems to disagree with it being an AI thing leans towards a scum mindset. Partly because I think town is more likely to admit there could be some merit to what others are saying.

It also feels like you don’t really care about anything right now about reading the people pushing you, only defending against the push with sarcasm in an attempt to laugh it off.

Can this come from town!you? I think so? But I still see 139 as still fitting in with the scum!you narrative. I think scum!you gets frustrated in this spot too that you’re getting so much flak for this as well

Well, last time something like this happened i admitted that the read was bad and promptly got pushed even more so... (although there were other reasons too but you see the problem)

I kinda tried to read the peoples pushing me, but falling back on the defensive is what i instinctively do

[Gypyx]

I guess I’m just kind of confused now. It feels like you’re overreacting to what you just admitted was a “bad read”. Like you’re getting upset and combative about the case on you but now you’re finally admitting the read is bad/illogical

Well, i was getting annoyed / angry, trying to justify me getting the read wasn't helping at all so i just took a breath, calmed down and tried to be a little bit more rational, i can see where your confusion is coming from

[Gypyx]

I think he was really angry and where I played, mafia were less likely to get angry or really emotional, sometimes they fake it but this time it looked real to me. And the other reason was that I think the quote at the bottom of his posts is quite townie, like he doesn't want to show off about people calling him good at being a townie to make us want to keep him around, instead he's showing off him being a very solid mod.

Ok, this is epic

[Gypyx]

Ok so, we're still missing 2 players, would be good to hear from them

Among the peoples that push me, i'd say that from least to most suspicious about the way they're pushing : innocentv (actually looked like he was trying to figure me out instead of piling up reasons) ico ( didn't do that much, but his reasons for scumreading me kinda crumbuled when looking at them) shellyc (hard push, based on reasons which are meant to be solid but they aren't, ofc i know shelly's meta but i'm not letting her off the hook like that)

[Gypyx]

i think almost the whole plist knows that my inconsistencies is ammunition for scum to push on for a free misexe?

what do you think is different from my towngame here?

You seem self-aware of your pushy / "inconsistent" nature yet when going on me you didn't try to like, control that nature

I also have trouble imaginating that you actually thought that some stuff i did was coming from scum

[Gypyx]

Well, i kinda instinctively wanna townbin them, but i'd just say datisi is +town and ydrasse is neutral (mainly gut feeling)

[Gypyx]

mmmm.

i think it's slightly scummy to come up with the convoluted reason rather than seeing the one that's laid out in front of you.

yeah but alas scum!me is informed and i dont think informed people come up with weird reasonings

Tbf i don't think being informed prevents weird reasoning, it might even encourage it as ydrasse said

[Gypyx]

Well, i kinda instinctively wanna townbin them, but i'd just say datisi is +town and ydrasse is neutral (mainly gut feeling)

uhhh both of them have created content, why don't you try comment on their content?

like ydrasses tinfoil theory on me having a meta mutation and datisi's push on me

Ydrasse's theory makes sense to think, but i didn't really look up into your meta to see if it is true

Datisi's push is fine, i'm kinda having trouble to find alignement but i think it's town-motivated

[Gypyx]

Datisi's push is fine, i'm kinda having trouble to find alignement but i think it's town-motivated

like, these are exactly the scumpings i'm looking for early game, and it's the second or third time you do this

if you think it's town motivated, then ur not having trouble finding allignment, which means you only added that part for gesture -> scum trait

If i see one more accusation based on phrasing i swear to god

[Gypyx]

(GB/gypyx)

Mind explaining this duo?

[Gypyx]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

[Gypyx]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

[Gypyx]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

why 1 scum in gb/villager?

what did you like to keep your vote on me?

Well, iv was supposed to towntell hard according to you, i'm not seeing that, and he voted gb based on his entrance

Just didn't have any post that strongly pushed me towards TR'ing you / SR'ing someone else

[Gypyx]

Ydrasse, you've been susing shelly pretty strong, why's your vote not on her?

samw goes for you, she was your strongest expressed suspicion if i recall correctly and you're still voteparking ico

why is it difficult to get any wagon going, especially on shelly

I was waiting to see everyone enter the game, and i still liked my vote on ico

I think there's one scum in villager / george

VOTE: georgebailey casing my vote here, i'll make a deeper read of this game when i'll feel like it
(That's exe-2 i think)

didn't you SR me most for my pushback onto you

Among the peoples that push me, i'd say that from least to most suspicious about the way they're pushing : innocentv (actually looked like he was trying to figure me out instead of piling up reasons) ico ( didn't do that much, but his reasons for scumreading me kinda crumbuled when looking at them) shellyc (hard push, based on reasons which are meant to be solid but they aren't, ofc i know shelly's meta but i'm not letting her off the hook like that)

didn't you TR IV most (scumreaad them the least)?

- yes, but i am also aware of your meta so i'm taking it into the balance

- well yea i do, but that's far from a clear

[Gypyx]

i faintly remember you doing those fake pressure votes multiple times last go around and you were scum :p

You're mixing with the fake hammer reactions i think?

And i thought i was the 3rd vote on GB dunno why

[Gypyx]

Just a meme, some peoples say that when they get a pagetop

[Gypyx]

Time to rename myself Gybxy

[Gypyx]

I don’t understand this at all sorry

I never voted GB?

And can you or @Ico explain this whole I’m supposed to look super towny thing you two keep mentioning or whatever? Im just lost

Oh wait really? My bad, i sometime "invent" things that haven't actually happened, tell me if i do it again

And well, i'm following ico's call on your meta, you think your playstyle is different?

[Gypyx]

what in the world is going on

Agreed

[Gypyx]

Does anyone has any importants post to point out? Like my brain just can't

[Gypyx]

I'll try to make a reads triangle, it'll probably help me to get back into the game

[Gypyx]

Hey uh yes so real life has been busy for me, sorry bout that, i'll try to catch up but i only got ~ 30 mins or so

[Gypyx]

I'll read her iso okay, but if you can spare the time to explain why shelly tho, i've read ur posts, not overly convinced by anything

I'm not convinced rn, still got catchup to do

[Gypyx]

gypyx

your to-do list is getting a couple townreads (and maybe sheep them)

and explaining your GB scumread, which you promised to do a while ago

I'd probably put by order of certainety : straaling / datisi / battle mage

I kinda forgot why i've been scumreading GB in the first place, pretty sure it was something like me thinking GB and iv were in a crossvote and that one of them was probably scum

So yea i've read the bm slot, GB seems actually like a pretty motivated slot that can't spare the effort, and bm looks uninformed and carefree

Pedit : i was gonna vote shelly but nah i don't wanna Exe-1, i'll try to finish reading as soon as i can

[Gypyx]

You probably just read somewhere that 'straaling' is a uni townread, so you stick to that

You townread Datisi, but are unwilling to vote shellyc and don't see the scumpart in shellyc who shitpushed your number 2 townread?

GB read is fine or whatever

You also don't wanna Exe-1 someone you don't townread (you just gave a top 3 townread, shellyc not in it), who just tried to push one of your main townreads for crap reasons, and retracted everything faster then I could push it, with deadline this close because

'oh no I don't wanna put someone on l-1' is just terrible

I was townreading staarling since pretty early into the game, apparently i didn't post that so you'll just have to take my word for it

And for the rest of the post i was like around half of my catchup, so of course i wasn't aware for your point around datisi and of course i'm not putting shelly at exe-1

Anyways as BM pointed out UNVOTE: finishing this read

Pedit : bruh ok, i'll premtively claim too, i'm VT

[Gypyx]

Just lemme take a look at the game ok, then y'all can exe me

[Gypyx]

gypyx amiright ^^

2169 was perfectly balanced idk what you're talking about

[Gypyx]

Anyways, i think the solve is either ico / ydrasse or ico / iv here

Don't give this too much weight cuz i've been really bad at mafia recently, but keep this in mind

[Gypyx]

Good point for ico - iv, guess it's ico / ydrasse then, i don't have any clue why you TR them

[Gypyx]

Maf doctor might be a thing also, keep in mind

[Gypyx]

Good point for ico - iv, guess it's ico / ydrasse then, i don't have any clue why you TR them

can you open a random ydrascum game
ydrascum doesn't give effort as scum at all and the tone here is really good imo. also genuine solving and unique takes on some of the slots

ico has been really disagreeable, actively trying to poke at people which I don't see from scum especially in a micro where town apathy can lose town the game

I'll try to do that for Ydrasse, don't base your TR solely in meta though

And like, for ico, just cuz it's a good scum play to do the other thing doesn't mean it's bad to do the opposite

Anyways bye

[Gypyx]

and i'm an expert on reading Gypyx.

i'll have you know i am 1 for 1 in catching scumpyx

what's your record

2 for 2 at least - you can be an apprentice i guess, unless you're right here.

I'm better at scumreading gypyx though

[Gypyx]

Bm's flip flopping is kinda weird though, i agree that it's worth keeping an eye on

[Gypyx]

tinfoil hat solve: mini/gypyx/BM contains all 2 scum

I doubt it honesrly, like if it is congrats but things are rarely this simple

[Gypyx]

I claimed VT already

[Gypyx]

if Gypyx flips town, Shelly's claim is legit

How is my alignement linked to shelly?

[Gypyx]

if Gypyx flips town, Shelly's claim is legit

How is my alignement linked to shelly?

lol nice selective quoting. that was part of a list of assumptions - none of which relied on each other. I'm feeling better about your flip now.

I still don't get that assumption, like why not just "shelly's claim is legit" if that's not linked?

[Gypyx]

if you were town here Gypyx, I don't understand why you didn't put up more of a fight

I don't think i can sway the votes out of me, and even less on my scumreads

[Gypyx]

if you were town here Gypyx, I don't understand why you didn't put up more of a fight

I don't think i can sway the votes out of me, and even less on my scumreads

who are your scumreads again?

Ico and one of iv / ydrasse

[Gypyx]

if Gypyx flips town, Shelly's claim is legit

How is my alignement linked to shelly?

lol nice selective quoting. that was part of a list of assumptions - none of which relied on each other. I'm feeling better about your flip now.

I still don't get that assumption, like why not just "shelly's claim is legit" if that's not linked?

go back and look at my original post. did you think the other assumption you removed was linked too? You're straw-manning me here. It was a list of unrelated assumptions - on the face of it, I don't believe you could legitimately misinterpret it as you have done.

Yeah i do, that's litterally how you worded your post so...

[Gypyx]

why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

[Gypyx]

Ydra don't pls

[Gypyx]

Hmmm, straaling's "slip" doesn't look that problematic to me BM, like, if she is under the mindset that i'm town, i also see her writing that, i'd say it's 50/50

Anways i'll answer your question Battle boi

[Gypyx]

Btw we have like a 1 in 7 chance of running that other PR though, and that's not even counting the fact that we're more likely to get scum (fmpov of course cuz i know i'm town)

Also datisi quick answer, the thing is that this :
>rl busy af
>i finally get the time to catch up
>Make a mid-catchup post
>mfw somehow i'm confscum 1 hour later

[Gypyx]

The thing is, it's probably better to get me out of the way D1, imo, why not staarling though BM, you act kinda convinced of her scuminess recently

[Gypyx]

why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

the fact he pushed shelly, or the way he pushed shelly? and what about the interactions with datisi? gimme some detail

Basically, make a quick ctrl+F "dat" in ico's iso, you'll notice he's never the one starting the contact with him, apart from that RVS townbin that he doesn't really reconsider through the game from what i've read (i get the lack of reconsideration but still)

And ico's push on shelly is a lot of poiting out bad reads and not really about shelly being scum, which like, town will never make a perfect game with all thier reads on point but yet ico will act like being wrong is being scum

Anyways, i insist that i'm the better exe here, for gamestate sakes, like, should i self-hammer?

[Gypyx]

Idk man, i'm not seeing how i'm even saving myself there, without screwing the town even more

[Gypyx]

Yep

[Gypyx]

Anything you want from me shelly?

[Gypyx]

Nah it's fine, i'm better gone anyways

Pedit : lmao

[Gypyx]

Final poe :

Maybe : mini, iv, ydrasse (order of likeliness, didn't think this one through)

The scum : ico (yes still convinced of that)

[Gypyx]

why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

the fact he pushed shelly, or the way he pushed shelly? and what about the interactions with datisi? gimme some detail

Basically, make a quick ctrl+F "dat" in ico's iso, you'll notice he's never the one starting the contact with him, apart from that RVS townbin that he doesn't really reconsider through the game from what i've read (i get the lack of reconsideration but still)

And ico's push on shelly is a lot of poiting out bad reads and not really about shelly being scum, which like, town will never make a perfect game with all thier reads on point but yet ico will act like being wrong is being

scum

Anyways, i insist that i'm the better exe here, for gamestate sakes, like, should i self-hammer?

^^ this

[Gypyx]

To develop on ico, i think that like, town!ico wouldn't avoid interacting with dat like he does

[Gypyx]

why so sure on Ico anyway?

Gut
Interactions with datisi
Push on shelly

Gtg

wait i'm scum because of my interactions with datisi? I thought I just read that you said

lack of interaction?

You're playing around words there

[Gypyx]

You're overminimizing the difference between PYP and this game but whatever, why do you still feel the need to push me while i'm hammered though?

[Gypyx]

HAHA I GOT THAT POST IN

[Gypyx]

I'm free

This will count for his BAH post - Sirius9121

[Gypyx]

Sorry guys got prodded i'll catchup soon, very busy in the grave rn

with permission from

Sirius9121

[Gypyx]

VOTE: iconeum

i'm sorry. i didn't want to troll. i didn't hammer shelly because i have trauma about unclaimed vengefuls.

Vengeful Gunsmith

*takes notes*

[Gypyx]

no redactions for my 5 posts long notes PT

thanks for modding sirius

[Gypyx]

i guess yeah

[Gypyx]

that sounds like your average Scumtisi notes PT, so yea

[Gypyx]

Maybe Datisi's the loser here, he didn't get to eat ramen

[Gypyx]

Well, double ramen for dead peoples

I see this as an absolute win

[Gypyx]

[Gypyx]

(Made in 5 minutes)

[Gypyx]

wait no

this isn't gonna be the second time i manage to lose a won scumgame
this is gonna be the THIRD TIME i manage to lose a won scumgame!!!!!!!

oh, you just piled the entire scumteam onto a lolhammer in mylo and you're about to attain majority??? nope you just shot your own traitor fuck you

oh, you just quickhammered in 5p lylo?????? you just hammered a vengeful and the vig has a bullet left fuck you

oh, you just burned half of your existing town and scum meta into the fucking ground in order to be well distanced from scumbuddy?????????? he didn't claim in time and the newbie doesn't know shit about proper site conduct F U C K Y O U

U ok?

[Gypyx]

Ok lol

[Gypyx]

Gypyx look at my new signature!

Lmao nice one

First time i'm quoted, is this what being famous feels like

[Gypyx]

Gypyx is quickly amassing a fanbase

i want to be the organiser

Lmao am I really having fans?

I'll take pre-ins for the church of the ripped off red hand

[Gypyx]

Pooky is a very solid backup mod, and this sense has only been compounded by the quality of his ramen

[Gypyx]

Gypyx is quickly amassing a fanbase

i want to be the organiser

Lmao am I really having fans?

I'll take pre-ins for the church of the ripped off red hand

which one?

I only have one tho