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[DrippingGoofball]

DBG if you dont mind me asking

When was your last scumgame?

Death scroll

[unwnd]

K I'll look at it while I continue to read this game

[DrippingGoofball]

Starbuck? We know zip about this playerslot.

[DrippingGoofball]

Intent to hammer. I'll give it 6 hours.

Look at the timestamp.

He hammered less than an hour later.

[unwnd]

DGB, would the trait of you trying to exaggerate your town behavior be close to how you want to play as scum? What I'm asking is that when I'm scum sometimes I get annoyed if people scumread me, so sometimes I'll be extra expressive about the fact or try make it seem like saying 'im town' a lot will eventually make everyone believe it.

[unwnd]

Right now my interpretation is that you feel you're a better town but people don't listen to you, so to compensate as scum you try to be really forth-right and almost obnoxious in your takes to make it seem like you're right and should be listened to.

Does that make sense?

[unwnd]

Unwnd
Vax

IV

DGB

NPOM

(Starbuck)

Insano

TGP

Gamma

ABR

Glitch

This feels right in my head.

[DrippingGoofball]

Doesn't make sense to me. I dunno. Like a sponge, I soak up the collective atmosphere and game specific circumstances and find my place in the hierarchy of players - and that can vary from day to day. I can lead or I can coast. None of that is alignment indicative. It's a big reason of why I don't believe in meta. Most variations in players behavior are explained by in-game action. Only a small percentage is caused by alignment and it's hard to nail down.

Glitch's long waffly post about ABR is an example or a scum mindset - and it would be in any player.

[unwnd]

My decision isn't largely based on the fact that I looked at a game you were scum and then compared to it to this one. I think you have certain aspects of your play that retain town behavior, so either you are honed into those traits or you're scum and doing a good job at fooling me. I know it doesn't mean much, but I apologize for the argument we had earlier regardless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unwnd
Vax

IV

DGB

NPOM

(Starbuck)

Insano

TGP

Gamma

ABR

Glitch

This feels right in my head.

Wtf no

[unwnd]

You shouldn't be saying that, you've had Gamma in your PoE for a while now

[unwnd]

This is good for us and narrows down our scumpool actually.

Yeah I have to agree, assuming it WAS the scumkill. Unless scum had it in their head Nero fakeclaimed VT as a PR, scum had to feel pretty damn pressured by Nero, probably pointing to his suspect pool.

Gamma why am I getting a bad feeling from you?

You were way more antagonistic to flipped town players than you are to me.

Gamma

/DGB/you/Starbuck more or less.

Gamma maybe killed Nero because they know each other well.

The others all possibly killed Nero. DGB was one of Nero's two main suspects. The other two slots were inactive and might not have even weighed in or had a say last night.

G

amma is in my POE.

If there's support there I will vote him.

[DrippingGoofball]

ABR what parts do you disagree with?

[SirCakez]

Votecount 4.3

Glitch (4) - innocentvillager, Insanoflex, NoPowerOverMe, unwnd
Albert B. Rampage (2) - TheGoldenParadox, Gamma Emerald

Not voting (5) - Starbuck, Vaxkiller, Glitch, DrippingGoofball, Albert B. Rampage

(expired on 2020-12-18 14:07:00) remain until day end

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR what parts do you disagree with?

Me obviously

[Vaxkiller]

Glitch - 2 shot vig that shot umlaut
Starbuck - No claim
Insanoflex - 2-Shot Gunsmith (Claims NO GUN on ABR N2, Claims NO GUN on TGP n3)
Gamma Emerald - VT
TheGoldenParadox - VT
Albert B. Rampage - 1-shot Bodyguard
NoPowerOverMe - VT
innocentvillager - Universal Backup (Now 1BP Tracker, Glitch visited Umlaut, Starbuck visited no one n2)
unwnd - Neo Neighborizer
Vaxkiller - VT
DrippingGoofball - Rolestopper

So town has

1shot BP tracker
backup tracker (Verifiable) (Not a scum role)
Neo Neighborizer (Verified) (possible scum, but unlikely, see below)
2 Shot gunsmith (verifiableISH) (unlikely scum role)
Rolestopper (Verified) (possible scum role)
1 - shot body guard (Unverifiable/extremely difficult to prove with accuracy) (not a scum role)


@anyone with balancing experience.

How would you balance a scum team against this? What utility could they get?


Someone correct me if im off base here, but the neo neighbor as a scum role seems way to powerful/swingy to me. Every night you get to kill someone as well as check someone else to see if the have a power role. If they dont, they get put into your neighborhood. The swingy part is, if that neighborhood is found out by town and scum flips, its a bunch of confirmed townies. That doesn't seem like good balance to me.

[Vaxkiller]

Glitch is scum tho. Like 100%. So remove the 2 shot vig.

That makes the gunsmith seem sketchy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think neap neighbor's intent would be to rolefish if it were a scum role
neighborhood happens regardless of neap result so on a not-VT you could try to get the target to trust you and claim their role to you

[Vaxkiller]

I think neap neighbor's intent would be to rolefish if it were a scum role
neighborhood happens regardless of neap result so on a not-VT you could try to get the target to trust you and claim their role to you

So theoretically you could still target scum with this and get them into your neighborhood.

Hmm.

[Gamma Emerald]

yes, I asked unwnd and he confirmed that with the mod

[Vaxkiller]

I feel like 1 of these roles has to be town and the other scum: Rolestopper / Neo Neighborizer

[Vaxkiller]

Scum need SOMETHING.

Some sort of block usually. But why would town have rolestop and scum get just a roleblock/jailkepp/etc (if they did get it). Doesn't balance out.

[unwnd]

I just feel like ABR's claim is fake regardless, and like I said I think way back...DGB knew that IV was targeted. I don't think DGB is lying about her role at the very least. It just becomes a matter if she's scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

Glitch/Gamma/TGP and insano/starbuck/NPOM then?

[unwnd]

The guy who claims to see you with NO GUN? Tell me where you're leaning