Micro 992: Are You My Partner?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ego.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Good spotting Watson.
VOTE: Allison

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben, have a banana you townly man. I can't tell if Klaus is worthy of one or if he needs to be killed with fire.

I suppose time will tell.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were

On rereading I've been bamboozled by this.

If mafia received their roles in the same manner we did then, hypothetically speaking, how would revealing your main signal to a mafia buddy that you are their partner?

For this to be a signal then mafia would have to receive role PMs that say something like "you're mafia and your partner is *main account*" and if this is indeed the case then a couple of people may have slipped already.

Interesting.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

hello everyone

new account + greeted everyone = scum?

yes

Speaking of signals, VOTE: Ben Hargreeves

Vixen Vanya.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Klaus there is no reason to either question. How do you feel about my behavior?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Theres no need to be hasty, 4. My vote will be dropped in time. For the time being, my suspicious are where they stand

Where do they stand?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I do believe that Ben is of Town Alignment here. Would anyone else object to this line of reasoning here?

I object on the grounds that you have provided a statement rather than a reason.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Do you mean that you voted for Allison Hargreeves for no reason? You used to seem to agree with something.

Yes. It was RVS and I joined a wagon, it would be odd to have a reason given the number of posts in the game. I agreed that Allison had the weirdest opening based on virtually no info.

Allison, Vanya and Ben seem the oddest to me at the moment. Initially I townread Ben but I think that may have been a bit hasty. The post between Vanya and Ben I commented on looked like open wolf whistles to me. I didn't want to point it out and help scum find each other faster but this seems like the current trend in thread.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ego.

Ego

VOTE: Allison

Claiming to know whom we all are. Seems suspicious to me

I'm Five.

No

You asked me a question, I answered

If I had to trust any of you not to start an apocalypse I would not at this point.

And every post has some value, the fact that you don't value my posts just means you aren't reading hard enough

I think you're being unfair five, sometimes helping others read you is better play than expecting people to know your alignment, this is especially true when we have no meta to work with.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Why did you first townread Ben Hargreeves?

Post 40 felt like the first post of substance and impressed me as likely coming from town. On rethinking how that fit into the surrounding posts it felt more like he felt obligated to look like town by overexplaining himself. I could be overthinking this and it's possible Ben is just a scummy feeling town player, not sure yet.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

How did you possibly miss this?

More easily than I should have. Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

uhh I literally was asked a question is why I explained myself?

I feel like I have to answer questions as scum. Over-explain is different from explain.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm fine with a Ben flip tbh.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Diego needs to post or be sacrificed for the greater good.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben, Luther, Reginald please vote so we can move this along.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben, Luther, Reginald please vote so we can move this along.

We have under ten days so why the rush?

If we wait until day 10 to generate information we will have a low info Day 1 which hurts us if this turns into a mountainous. I'd rather not blindly scramble on the last day to get a subpar lynch through.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Votes = explanations = more info = smart cookies lynching scum.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm not saying lynch. I'm saying make a stance and put the fire on.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

also the longer we sit around fluffing the easier it is for scum to find each other

Really? Explain how that works. The juiciest part of this game is that any attempts from either side to find each other is a double edged sword. If noone is doing anything it's hard for both teams.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

You all need to hide yourselves better! I have already figured out who

two

of you are just from the post tone alone. How dare we give mafia daychat and let them tie themselves together in thread?
Let's keep who we are under wraps on Day 1 if possible and then we can choose to ditch the feigning on Day 2. VOTE: Ben Hargreeves

Allison can you explain your entrance a bit more? I find it really hard to believe you picked the first two poster's identities based on pretty generic opening posts. It looks like you were hunting for people's identities right out the gate which is why you got the first wagon.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Diego

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ego battles are less ideal than straight reasoning. We should not be randomly lynching today, that is the true absurdity.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

pogo are you roleplaying

Potentially. Are you playing?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther who has Diego sorted aside from Ben? I've not seen anything from him that couldn't have come from either alignment.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

If we RNG lynch the whole game and scum don't find each other, odds are scum still win.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Diego is still mafia by the way

Ben what happened to this stance? Does this no longer apply?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

While reading ISOs and such I thought about a problem I might have with reads. I said "I'm scum" or whatever at the start of the game for fun, who knows maybe a mafia wasted their day ability on me because of that. But either way a lot of people took it a bit serious. I wonder if the mafia may have been inclined to town read me after seeing that, thinking I'm their partner

Well the illusion has well and truly died now Master Ben, whatever perceived advantages your opening brought are redundant thanks to this post.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

You were the most tempestuous babe, so color me unsurprised.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Reginald's 120 looks like a town post to me. I'd be more inclined to shake up Vanya.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Reginald's 120 looks like a town post to me. I'd be more inclined to shake up Vanya.

His confidence is towny but I suppose I'm less inclined to give him points for that when his confidence is extremely misplaced and obviously incorrect.

We are trying to .exe scum not clear your name young sir. You are confirmation biased which is irrational. Reginald can not know you are town in the same why that you do, so pushing him for being wrong is unfair. I would not be unhappy to see more from him though.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Vanya Hargreeves
L-1 folks.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Daddy has buissness calling, effective now until the 6th

It is my duty to serve you however you are making this difficult. Once you've returned we'll need a full report on your children. Sir.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

No, best to keep solid reads to a minimum and vote for your strongest scum read. You can out teams later on.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Children stop! For the love of God...You have all just ruined everything it was you claimed to fight against. Both Ben and Allison need to be punished severely for this...I am not looking forward to your father's return, nor should you.

I need a cup tea.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison

Any reason?

Outing two main accounts. This is part policy and part scumread. Even if both instances were accidental, this is very bad for the towny members of our family. To put it lightly.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison

Any reason?

Outing two main accounts. This is part policy and part scumread. Even if both instances were accidental, this is very bad for the towny members of our family. To put it lightly.

So you're just not approaching me in good faith now? I was trying to claim myself as the first main that was outted btw, do you not find that slot more suspicious from your point of view then where they straight claimed it?

If you had approached this game in good faith I might have found your take on my vote more offensive.

Ben was reactively outing his main in response to your poorly planned fishing. He did not do it out of nowhere, you basically provoked him. Thus, as the instigator of this madness, that benefits only scum, I deem you more accountable than your degenerate brother.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Kettle, black.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'll tell father Allison needs therapy for anger management issues. Not all of you can handle the power you were born with.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I am really disappointed in both of you to be honest. I feel like you're obviously not on the same team, and given recent events I feel there is scum in at least one of you. If I were tone reading both of you I'd say you're both just anti-town...but you've forced my hand into gladiating you both until I've stopped feeling betrayed.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

UNVOTE: excuse me, I have some monkey business to attend to.

I thought I wasn't allowed to sort players? I've said I think he's anti-town. That implies town.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I guess I could see why Luther appears to be TMIing with all the townreads but I'm not sure scum can even TMI in this setup since they don't actually know who their buddy is and thus they can't know for sure who they're townreading is town. It would be a slightly better guess than ours since they have an 87.5% chance of correctly guessing town vs our 77% chance of guessing correctly. A stronger case is needed here.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

what the ell is tmiing?

A TMI tell = Too much information = player has access to extra information usually a scum player knowing people's alignments. "TMIing" is easier than explaining the above.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Allison is a fan of Mafiascum slang by the looks of things.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I guess I could see why Luther appears to be TMIing with all the townreads but I'm not sure scum can even TMI in this setup since they don't actually know who their buddy is and thus they can't know for sure who they're townreading is town. It would be a slightly better guess than ours since they have an 87.5% chance of correctly guessing town vs our 77% chance of guessing correctly. A stronger case is needed here.

Once you discern enough people's mains you are informed at that point.

Assuming the player discerning knows most of the player list.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Micro # 992 Are You My Partner?
Playerlist:

Momrangal
Nancy Drew 39
tris
DkKoba
Esooa
MiniMegabyte
brassherald
CheekyTeeky
RedFlavor

Spoiler: The Living

Allison Hargreeves
Ben Hargreeves
Diego Hargreeves
Five Hargreeves
Klaus Hargreeves
Luther Hargreeves
Pogo Hargreeves
Reginald Hargreeves
Vanya Hargreeves

Spoiler: The Dead

Spoiler: We Dare Not Speak Their Names (The Modkilled)

None. Ever. Or else.

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Current Vote Count (As of Post 192)

Allison Hargreeves (2): Five Hargreeves, Allison Hargreeves,
Ben Hargreeves (2): Vanya Hargreeves, Klaus Hargreeves,
Diego Hargreeves (1): Pogo Hargreeves,
Pogo Hargreeves (0):
Five Hargreeves (0):
Klaus Hargreeves (0):
Luther Hargreeves (0):
Reginald Hargreeves (0):
Vanya Hargreeves (0):

Not Voting (4): Diego Hargreeves, Luther Hargreeves, Reginald Hargreeves, Ben Hargreeves,

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate!

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-12 18:00:00)!

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VOTE: Allison

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Oops. I didn't mean to quote that. I believe that Allison and whoever Nancy is are scum based on Allison's first post.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

You all need to hide yourselves better! I have already figured out who

two

of you are just from the post tone alone. How dare we give mafia daychat and let them tie themselves together in thread?
Let's keep who we are under wraps on Day 1 if possible and then we can choose to ditch the feigning on Day 2. VOTE: Ben Hargreeves

Two is in bold which I'm assuming is signaling to ND who is second on the playerlist.

Damn I put Sherlock to shame.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

*macho monkey victory dance*

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I have no idea who Nancy is so I can't really comment on why you thought/did what you did.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Oops. I didn't mean to quote that. I believe that Allison and whoever Nancy is are scum based on Allison's first post.

Why are you trying to out mains here? I thought that was against the rules?

What? I'm not?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Wtf is a chain lim?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I just read it as meaning exactly two as in two players.

Ok? I read it as a signal to the second person on the playerlist. I'm not asking anyone to claim their main.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben why are you active lurking?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben why are you active lurking?

is it a problem?

Have you no thoughts on Luther?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Excuse me while I puke.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Excuse me while I puke.

you're not excused

Your mum should have taught you...oh wait.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Shit.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I apologize for my absence. I'll start catching up now. Is there anything important that I need to know right away?

Enjoy the wreckage.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I don't like Ben's shift around Allison.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I wonder if maybe scum!five would be inclined to town read me early because I claimed scum lol

Based off of #122 and #123, their read on you sounds more non-comital then a townread. Anyway, I think at least one of the Allison voters should unvote, since I think that slot’s probably town now.

The only two places my vote is going is on Allison or Ben. . I'd vote both if this was a multi-vote game.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I wonder if maybe scum!five would be inclined to town read me early because I claimed scum lol

Based off of #122 and #123, their read on you sounds more non-comital then a townread. Anyway, I think at least one of the Allison voters should unvote, since I think that slot’s probably town now.

The only two places my vote is going is on Allison or Ben. . I'd vote both if this was a multi-vote game.

Based off who I think is Allison’s main, I think that would be a really bad wagon especially on D1 because if town which I think so, you don’t ever want to lim town!them. They have a rep for being really good at catching scum, so I’m not touching that wagon with a ten foot pole.

There are certain players it’s a really bad idea to lim D1 and Aliison is one of them.

You realise she outed her main already right?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Also when did "lim" become a thing is "lynch" no longer PC?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Wow.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

or contact your favorite member of the moderation team:

You're top 3.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Thanks everyone for the update, I need to find a word that vibes with me, but for this game "lim" is fine.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Thanks everyone for the update, I need to find a word that vibes with me, but for this game "lim" is fine.

lim lets me continue using the old abbreviations which is why i settled on it. plus its easier to say in your head

I was thinking something like smite/vanquish - quish him! Or even contracted to Squish! O the possibilities...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

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I smite thee scum. Quiver at my magnificence and be squished!

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Klaus is stalling...his posts are nothing but nods here and there. It very much feels like he's trying to maintain a presence after an initial almost Q&A opening. I say we squish him.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I said lamist and phone autocorrected to almost*

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Klaus, father has always had high expectations of you. I wonder if the pressure has turned you away from the light we're endeavoring to be in this world.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

why does it matter?

Pogo, why are you currently voting for Allison, but at the same moment, you are calm about the fact that neither Allison nor Ben are likely to be Eliminated as the situation is? If this is because you are now focused on me, why are not you voting for me?

I was doing the gentlemanly thing and waiting for your perpetually promised catch up. I'm guessing you've abandoned parading as town now?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Klaus as you wish sire.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

could you answer the first question there?

If you had actually caught up you'd know I was voting between Allison and Ben for their idiocy. Tell me, do you know what they did? You have 3 minutes to answer before I'm locking you in as scum for as long as I live.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

@pogo @klaus

are you ok with hammering Five? If not, can you explain why?

No. Five is LHF.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Klaus as you wish sire.

Thank you!

Would you like to give a fuller statement of your scumread? The basics of it are already stated. Could you say more however?

You are a bad scum player. I'll case you when I can be bothered typing it all out on my phone.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

@pogo @klaus

are you ok with hammering Five? If not, can you explain why?

No. Five is LHF.

Scummy post

Shrug.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

how is Five LHF but Vanya is not?

Because I think I know who Five is. No idea about the Vanished Vanya.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

time limits for replies are stupid.

they only apply for when someone is prompted to claim.

Klaus is scum.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

You've played a token scumgame, you entered strong and full of questions, felt townread enough to relax but then fell behind and struggled to catch up. Looking like you're working is more important than actually working as you've just asked redundant question after redundant question. This hyper awareness of ones appearance to others is much more likely to come from scum than town. It's a shame you couldn't keep up what you started.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm not voting five so kiss my hairy ape butt.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

This hyper awareness of ones appearance to others is much more likely to come from scum than town.

What does this mean in relation to me?

I'm glaring at you. Don't play monkey with me.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I don't think my questions have been redundant on the whole.

Ok, here's a chance. Who are your top two scumreads and why?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

By the way, Five has done just about everything Pogo is currently accusing Klaus of

Um lol. Quotes please.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I wait with bated breath.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Yawn. If I get to L-1 can you peeps holla so I can give my team theories.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

That's me for today.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

No. I won't. I'm not your monkey to dance. Sorry, Pogo.

Hey...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

i have solid tr on ben and pogo and allison is in the "probably town but has been playing for scum unfortunately"

Can you explain the Ben townread a little? I'm so conflicted about that slot. Allison's ego is too large to be faked so I agree on the townread.

My biggest issue with Ben is that I think a lot of the family are writing him off as "too scummy to be scum" but his positioning in the game and his eagerness to claim without hesitation towards townreading the slot that made him claim, feels like a scum agenda. Definitely something to look into down the line.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Like here is a timeline of the happenings I'm struggling to townread:

1. Allison claims to be a main she thinks is Ben in a derp attempt to "trick scum" into believing she is someone else.
2. Ben claims main account.
3. Allison slips main account - the timing of which is not a coincidence.
4. They both start townreading each other and working together.

The reason I wanted to squish inside these two is because:
1. Scum need to find each other
2. Therefore scum are looking for mains
3. Both these players were pretty happy to reveal which only benefits scum.

Ignoring this because scum wouldn't be so obvious is a foolish mistake for town to make. Regardless of my individual reads, I would not be surprised if both were scum but I believe it's more likely at least 1 is.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

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there was a page or two of me and ben just talking much earlier and a lot of thost posts feel hard to fake as scum and the allison trajectory also is something that i call a very acceptable onion

Cool, could you quote a post you think is hard to fake?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I will not answer for Diego, but I personally am not townreading Ben for being too scummy to be scum

What is your read on him? Could you explain?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Pogo, you worry about the main stuff is understandable, but there's a progression that I can say doesn't make sense

1. Allison was pushing me and already knew my main, if we were partners they wouldn't push me like this
2. *after* we knew eachother mains we town read eachother, as you say, but this doesn't make sense from the perspective one of us is scum. Wouldn't the scum want to continue to push the other, not town read?

I have a couple of theories, my fav of which is: If Allison is scum, she would know she's looking for x main, so she claims to be x under the rouse of "tricking scum" but really she just wants her partner to out. So you out and she slips to confirm she is your buddy. You both then band together to run over the town.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I have a couple of theories, my fav of which is: If Allison is scum, she would know she's looking for x main, so she claims to be x under the rouse of "tricking scum" but really she just wants her partner to out. So you out and she slips to confirm she is your buddy. You both then band together to run over the town.

so you think they are in the pt right now wifoming whether or not to turn this game into mountaineous?

I thought they didn't get the PT until D2?

Isn't it interesting that Ben is not voting the poor chap he so desperately wanted squished.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Welcome, Jingle! You are a Mafia Seeking Goon, along with your partner, Bingle.

Abilities:

Seeking: Once per day, you may choose a player that you believe is your partner. If you are correct, you will be told so. If you and your partner are both correct, or your partner dies, you will receive access to the Mafia PT where you may talk at any time and choose to publicly change the game into a mountainous setup.

I guess it doesn't say exactly when.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

@Mod the great

will scum get instant access if both correct during the day phase?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Hmmm. Diego seemed to know it was instant. Hmmm.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Is it obvious? Does my brain not compute your human ways?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

never before have reads changed

Oh so you townread 5 now? Did I miss that too?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

If the Mafia can identify each other, they will be given a PT where they may speak to each other at any time. They may turn the game into a normal mountainous game with a nightphase by posting Enable Nights in their PT.

I guess this could translated ~ instant access.
Shrug.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison choo choo

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Wait did Vanya hammer?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Have you unravelled the tangle of a rotten banana bunch this is yet, or do you still have more to read?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Vote Count 1.11

Five Hargreeves (3): Allison Hargreeves, Luther Hargreeves, Diego Hargreeves,
Allison Hargreeves (1): Five Hargreeves,
Ben Hargreeves (1): Vanya Hargreeves,
Klaus Hargreeves (1): Pogo Hargreeves,
Vanya Hargreeves (0):
Reginald Hargreeves (0):
Luther Hargreeves (0):
Diego Hargreeves (0):
Pogo Hargreeves (0):

Not Voting (3): Reginald Hargreeves, Klaus Hargreeves, Ben Hargreeves,

With 9 alive, it takes 5 votes to eliminate!

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-01-12 18:00:00)!

I meant hammer 5. I think we're at S-1.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Excellent, you're a better player than I. My fleas make me jittery and possibly a bit trigger happy at times... I think I'll follow you.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

yup, I unvoted five earlier. See why that might be useful, pogo? :p

Hindsight is indeed useful. Well said master Ben.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

So Ben is clearly town. Anyone who votes them today has to go through me.

Pogo why would you follow me? I have done nothing to demonstrate good or bad reads.

Why did you vote Alison soon as I did?

Excellent, you're locktown the rest of the game. My slimey post has triggered the exact reaction I hoped for.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

No be my guest, although I'd be wary to do it too quickly, you'd want to get out as much info you can beforehand.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

What if 5 is my buddy?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Mwahahaha.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Tbh I at that stage I wasn't prepared to squish anyone. And now that you're here, I'd like to see your thoughts. Allison stalled the first time by bullying everyone into compliance and the second time too many people were fanbois to get her to S-2.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Not to mention father has abandoned us, 5 is rather temperamental and Luther beetlejuices in and out, so any kind of consensus has been rather difficult.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Oh young grasshopper - google it. It's a term derived from the movie of the same name.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm the third highest poster after Allison and Ben. You don't need to count posts, just click activity overview under the page navigation.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I don't know?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm not really a town-blocky kinda chimpmanzee, but you guys do whatever helps us win. I'm much too paranoid for that.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I prefer scumhunting the old fashioned way, claim everyone is scum until you're certain they're not. Townreading is not my strongest skill.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm fairly certain Vanya is town. And I have reasons to scumread the rest of you...it's not a great list but typical for my play mid D1. I got townread Klaus. Ben, Five, Reginald to start and my townreads have disintegrated with the game. I want to townread Luther but it's hard to get past how slimey he feels at points.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Yeah I get the block hunts but the problem is I get too paranoid to hold townreads for long and would probably RIP it apart. If you guys could show me some reasons to share a townread I could consider it.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Don't beat yourself up, it's a natural reaction to my deceptive good looks.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

What's your feel on Klaus, Luther?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

What are they doing that you read as townie?

Nothing really. I had a hunch I knew who they were and guessed based on guesses meta that they are probably unengaged town. Though his opening read townie to me in and of itself because I feel like scum try harder.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

still want to lim 5

He definitely looks the worst.

@Pogo is the reason you think some of my posts are “slimey” based off of my disagreeing with you on Five, because I have asked I believe more than once to explain your townread on him and you seem to be looking elsewhere and I’d really like to understand why.

Had you given a compelling towncase on him, I’d totally get that but without any reasoning, I don’t know how to parse this?

What are they doing that you read as townie?

Nothing really. I had a hunch I knew who they were and guessed based on guesses meta that they are probably unengaged town. Though his opening read townie to me in and of itself because I feel like scum try harder.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther you're almost townreading everyone and contrary to the natural inclination of townies to scumread me, you and Diego have pretty comfortably townread me most of the game.

I don't think your positioning is scummy like Ben's, but I just get a "don't rock the boat" type agenda to your posts. It's not a bad thing to be a nice person, I just don't trust it. I want to townread you... if that counts for anything.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm being lazy and pulling from memory because my brain is not currently in a state to analyze and explain my thoughts of individual
posts.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

the way you're still stuck on your bad reads regarding myself/Allison

I think I just went over this last page... I have admitted to only having one townread. You are not the chosen one.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

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Oops lol.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

if Ben is elimmed and town I am townblocking Luther

What's the connection here?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I thought it was you, I pushed you. When you came into thread you sounded actually worried. I decided to read a mini game and saw their posting style was nothing like yours so I stopped thinking you were shun

Why go to all this trouble as town who is unconcerned about main accounts?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Also, Ben + Allison is one theory from the slippage. I said at least one of the two is imhmo.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

It's great to have father back, let's see if he can keep you all in line.

I now townread Vanya + Diego.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

pogo what's your opinion on reginald

I love father, but I'm not sure if I can call him innocent yet.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

ben you're not v composted rn

cause it's really annoying when someone comes into thread and says some random reason to scum read me and people to "yup makes sense"

I'm actually getting townie vibes from this.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

and pogo should sheep the town in this game instead of trying to discredit then to give scum mislim opportunities /shrug

I'm a monkey, not a sheep. You're not at threat of a mislynch, none else is likely to vote you.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther your new avatar is making me scumread you.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther your new avatar is making me scumread you.

Well thanks for giving me another reason not to take your reads seriously, unless this is a joke?

Lmfao.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

if Ben is elimmed and town I am townblocking Luther

What's the connection here?

Earlier I asked Ben his top townread he said Luther.

If Ben is flipped and town then the push on Ben right after I suggested a town block with him is reactionary because scum don’t want a townblock to form. This would mean they’re afraid of people working together. If one or more of Ben+Luther was scum I don’t think we see a wagon pop up so fast on Ben.

Gotcha. I think you're right on Ben. Looks like the push came from daddy.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: 5

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Once Allison has provided her thoughts I'd love for us to get a flip.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ben and Luther townread Allison. I don't get it either.

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If 5 flips town can we squish Allison next? It would make my furry heart happy.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I’d say push..wouldn’t go so far as flip. If it wasn’t for many people I townread vouching her I’d be voting her

Sure, if you're into pushing brick walls...knock yourself out.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm not voting five so kiss my hairy ape butt.

VOTE: 5

If 5 flips town can we squish Allison next? It would make my furry heart happy.

What happened with this? Why are you voting Five if you think he’s town?

I had a change of heart. At first I thought if he is x main he this is town meta but I'm not so sure he is the person I thought since his recent posting which I found lacking.

Reginald returned and 5 began posting, I'm not sure if that's an associative or just coincidence, but I'm keen to find out.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

i think vanya and pogo are a potential team but sure

...right. So you spend early game protecting Vanya against me and now she's scum...with me?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

bc pogo feels like they've been playing TMI

Your shade is becoming a little repetitive, could you not have found some new reason to scumread me? If 5 is indeed town, I believe it is you who have spilt TMI. The condition of 5 being town to squish you next is because if he is scum then I would squish reginald based on Vanyas read of the attack on the town block being scum coordinated.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

What townblock is being formed?

Vanya, Ben, Luther seem to townread each other. Vanya believes the push into Ben was instigated on your return.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Pogo slipped/claimed. Look at the content of the post?

Uh what? I have done no such thing.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Vanya, Allison has already signalled, in fact fully revealed, and very likely found her partner, so I fling my crap back to you.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Vanya, Allison has already signalled, in fact fully revealed, and very likely found her partner, so I fling my crap back to you.

What do you believe is the signal and who picked it up then?

I believe when she revealed her main she was signaling. I have not yet found who the signal was received by. I thought it was Ben but now I'm needing to find time to look into it deeper.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

So Ben is clearly town. Anyone who votes them today has to go through me.

Pogo why would you follow me? I have done nothing to demonstrate good or bad reads.

Why did you vote Alison soon as I did?

Excellent, you're locktown the rest of the game. My slimey post has triggered the exact reaction I hoped for.

how would you have expected mafia to react.

To have just accepted my slimey post rather than reject my townread as being scummy.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

What makes you say that it’s a signal?

Ok. Let's say Allison is scum and her buddy is looking for her main. There's no clearer signal than saying "hey everyone this is my main account" by 'slipping' and watching how people react.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Would dear pogo deny asking me to give a report on my children upon my return and that it is likely that I was resuming where I had just left off?

I'm not denying anything? I'm throughly confused sir.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I'm getting fatigued having to rehash the same arguments again so I think I'll leave you guys to it. My rough summary is that I still believe there is one scum in Alli/Ben, Ben might be town, Five is no longer someone I'm interested in defending.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Vanya...scum only know the main account they are looking for...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were

On rereading I've been bamboozled by this.

If mafia received their roles in the same manner we did then, hypothetically speaking, how would revealing your main signal to a mafia buddy that you are their partner?

For this to be a signal then mafia would have to receive role PMs that say something like "you're mafia and your partner is *main account*" and if this is indeed the case then a couple of people may have slipped already.

Interesting.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

we have someone post then a couple minutes later ego post from their main

I can only really assume this ego post was to signal to their partner who they were

On rereading I've been bamboozled by this.

If mafia received their roles in the same manner we did then, hypothetically speaking, how would revealing your main signal to a mafia buddy that you are their partner?

For this to be a signal then mafia would have to receive role PMs that say something like "you're mafia and your partner is *main account*" and if this is indeed the case then a couple of people may have slipped already.

Interesting.

yes, this is how it works

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Read around those posts.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Whatever doesn’t matter. Seems scum are informed and that could be a potential slip then.

Yay welcome to the game.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Could you also consider your Ben read in light of this?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

UNVOTE: fair enough. I'll give Vanya some space reread.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

@mod does scum get to know the main account of their partner?

This has already been asked and answered. Yes.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

The fact that you're skipping content before posting doesn't cast you in a good light Diego.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Diego/Reginald not SvS
Five/Reginald not SvS.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Diego/Allison seems about right from a guess based on all my memory fragments of the game so far.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

My SvS list is very small now so I'm right were I usually am for EOD1.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I don't think you were that off about the momentum changing around a town block with the sudden rush on Ben.

VOTE: Diego

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Allison likely didn't hammer because it would've given us all whiplash and her head on a platter D2 if he did in fact flip town.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Buggy are you town?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ego.

Ego

Ego

What about this? Does Klaus/Diego work?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Well I can't see a VC where they vote each other unlike Allison/Diego. I think Allison diego doesn't work as the VC where Diego is voting Allison is after the reveal.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I find Klaus’s posts townie.

My instant gut reaction to him was scum. I came around on a townread, but I still get the feeling like his posting is inorganic. It wouldn't take much to persuade me to flip that rascal.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

But if Diego is town it gives a lot of context to the prior day.

Incase you die, could you please expand on this.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Can we just squish Allison?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I guess reducing my irritation isn't as good a reason as yours...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

You know you want to Vanya...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Fuck it, come on children. Let's do what we should have done at the beginning of the game.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Allison

[Pogo Hargreeves]

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[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther who is Reginald's most likely partner?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther who is Reginald's most likely partner?

It's not Diego, 5, Ben, Vanya, pogo or you. Which leaves Allison or Klaus and you townread Allison so is you PoE solve Reginald/Klaus?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Probably not the best flip to help us tbh.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Nah Reggie is too low info and has less scum equity than my other teams. If Reggie is scum we can nail him later down the track as we PoE out scum.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I think we're at E-1.

Who? I lost count.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Between 3 and 6, I believe that 3 is the innocent here. I am heavily perturbed by the obsession of minimegabyte. I do concur with my dear Pogo that 3 does need some anger management and pogo is correct in regards to this mainslipping being detrimental to our family.

Not everyone present is as familiar with as 6 appears to be with the Playlist. For example,

I am certain momrangal has no familiarity with any of the faces having just returned to the scene. Should she be one of the hidden enemies, her job was made that much easier for her to do.

Please no one hammer before Reggie answers this. Why did you say the bolded? @Reggie

Luther he meant the kids were being naughty. He thinks Ben is more familiar with the playerlist than Mom, but if Mom is scum then the naughty kids made it easy by slipping even for someone with no familiarity with the other players.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

I don't really understand why that had to be explained or what kind of difference to hammering him it would have made. I feel like I'm fishing in a barrel of monkeys.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

It could have been signaling to Mom but that's not really relevant until you know his alignment.

Shall I flip him?

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Because I've answered it...

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Oh I think I get why you want to know now.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

It certainly sounded like an admission.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Red flip lock clears Ben.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Mafia definitely on the Ben wagon. Last maf between Diego/5.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Probably Diego. Not sure how they go from voting Reggie to voting with him.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Red flip lock clears Ben.

Explain it like I am five please. (No offense intended it’s just the phrase. No insult is meant or implied towards five the player.)

Reginald went MIA and on his return pushed Ben which lead to a sudden wagon on Ben. As Ben had revealed his main, Reginald would know it's not his partner this Reggie/Ben not SvS.

You could say it was scum theatre but neither Reggie or Ben were under threat so I don't think the timing makes sense as a play from a scumteam.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Ok I'm skipping the last few pages. I think Diego is scum here. Potentially Reggie thought I was his partner and submitted the wrong guess, thinking I was bug spray.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Because you’re calling Allison “innocent” and then you you bring up momrangel, why?

I mean.....

Allison, Ben and now Pogo slipped/claimed. Look at the content of the post?

I never slipped but did try to cover for Diego.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

VOTE: Diego

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther you've had really good reads this game so shout out to you.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Luther you've had really good reads this game so shout out to you.

Can we just note I wasn’t completely bad only semi sorta bad?

*hides*

Of course you were great too. I just felt I needed to say something to Luther because his townreads have been on point since the start of the game. I would have every confidence that we would win as town if you were on my side again, you're clearly a strong player.

[Pogo Hargreeves]

Idc who we flip first since it's between 5/Diego and I don't see how we lose from here and I don't get much time these days to post so it'd be nice to wrap this up quickly.