Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[midwaybear]

You think scum call their buddies 100% town?

[Something_Smart]

I think what you're missing is that scum-Pooky can still call town-Noraa obvtown. There's nothing stopping him from doing that, and it might be a good pocketing strategy.

[SirCakez]

He hasn't played with anyone here before and he immediately starts dumping walls into the thread about how unsure he is and starts picking at players as scum? He is just inviting people to analyze him with his playstyle atm.
What is with y'all and coaching?

[Noraa]

I think what you're missing is that scum-Pooky can still call town-Noraa obvtown. There's nothing stopping him from doing that, and it might be a good pocketing strategy.

No. That is very unlikely.

[SirCakez]

Noraa your midway push doesn't make any sense to me

[Something_Smart]

Why is it unlikely?

[Noraa]

Why is it unlikely?

perhaps it isn't too unlikely but im 100% sure that it is not the first thought that a townie has here.
The first thought from a townie is that we are the same alignment.

[Cheetory6]

He hasn't played with anyone here before and he immediately starts dumping walls into the thread about how unsure he is and starts picking at players as scum? He is just inviting people to analyze him with his playstyle atm.

What if that's what he believed would be the most genuine replication of what he would be doing as town and he's just not able to capture that well?
Mafia don't always know the best way to approach a game.

[midwaybear]

I already said that I was applying Pink Ball's read method on you here.

[Noraa]

I already said that I was applying Pink Ball's read method on you here.

Nah. No you weren't. That was totes slight TMI

[Something_Smart]

perhaps it isn't too unlikely but im 100% sure that it is not the first thought that a townie has here.
The first thought from a townie is that we are the same alignment.

Well, it's the first thought I had. So you'd better lockscum me too.

[Cheetory6]

wow nice two lockscum already

[SirCakez]

He hasn't played with anyone here before and he immediately starts dumping walls into the thread about how unsure he is and starts picking at players as scum? He is just inviting people to analyze him with his playstyle atm.

What if that's what he believed would be the most genuine replication of what he would be doing as town and he's just not able to capture that well?
Mafia don't always know the best way to approach a game.

I just don't think for your first game in a while with people you don't know this is how he enters

[Noraa]

perhaps it isn't too unlikely but im 100% sure that it is not the first thought that a townie has here.
The first thought from a townie is that we are the same alignment.

Well, it's the first thought I had. So you'd better lockscum me too.

I already had you as an SR anyways.

[Something_Smart]

Would I be wasting my time trying to convince you that you're wrong here?

[midwaybear]

No you weren't.

I quoted him and used wink emoji. My intent was pretty clear.

[Noraa]

Would I be wasting my time trying to convince you that you're wrong here?

Depends on the color of your role pm.

[Something_Smart]

All right then. My role PM is green, so I do know for a fact that your claim that "all townies would think you are the same alignment initially" is inaccurate.

You have admitted that the logic does make sense, but that a townie would first think "they're probably the same alignment" and only afterward think "well actually, Pooky could be pocketing but he probably isn't covering for a teammate, so probably Noraa's just town." That's a natural train of thought for someone who hasn't seen this kind of thing before.

But this isn't my first rodeo. And it's not midway's, either. I have seen this kind of thing happen before, and my mental model is "if X says Y is locktown, then Y probably is town, but X could by anything." I have been using this logic for years. Your view of what a townie would think is overly simplistic-- it's probably based on what YOU would think. Which is reasonable as a starting point, but you shouldn't be so confident in it.

[Cheetory6]

I think midway could be under the radar mafia but it's more one of those "this person seems townish but could be fooling me"-thoughts rather than an actual feeling if that makes sense?
Their play is productive enough that unless there's an airtight case on them they're probably going to be a mid-lategame sort/going to be caught through interactions with teammates, or at least that's what I'm feeling.

Kind of siding with S_S in that you could be right that they TMI-ed, but I'm not really feeling the same way looking at the post.

[Noraa]

All right then. My role PM is green, so I do know for a fact that your claim that "all townies would think you are the same alignment initially" is inaccurate.

You have admitted that the logic does make sense, but that a townie would first think "they're probably the same alignment" and only afterward think "well actually, Pooky could be pocketing but he probably isn't covering for a teammate, so probably Noraa's just town." That's a natural train of thought for someone who hasn't seen this kind of thing before.

But this isn't my first rodeo. And it's not midway's, either. I have seen this kind of thing happen before, and my mental model is "if X says Y is locktown, then Y probably is town, but X could by anything." I have been using this logic for years. Your view of what a townie would think is overly simplistic-- it's probably based on what YOU would think. Which is reasonable as a starting point, but you shouldn't be so confident in it.

If we used that logic, I'd be rolling town in every single game. Someone calls me locktown in every game.

[Noraa]

Kind of siding with S_S in that you could be right that they TMI-ed, but I'm not really feeling the same way looking at the post.

*sigh*
alright then. I'll throw this onto the back burner for a little bit and revisit tomorrow(in rl days)

[Cheetory6]

I'll make a note to ISOdive them when I've got some time and then at that point we can compare notes in a meaningful way?
I'm admittedly being lazier with this game than I should be and I don't want to take the wind out of your sails just because I'm not reading things in-depth S:

[Something_Smart]

If we used that logic, I'd be rolling town in every single game. Someone calls me locktown in every game.

Well, maybe the logic doesn't apply in this case, which is useful information. But we're not debating the validity of it; we're debating whether it's reasonable for town to believe it.

[Pink Ball]

Pink Ball, were you serious when you said that Cakez's 95 was a great insight? It feels like "eh" reasoning to me.

Like Eren Yeager, Cakez was moving forward with his analysis; there's usually some players who move out of RVS in a very forced way; they eventually get what they wanted, but weren't actually acomplishing a good read of anyone, they just happened to move out the game of RVS. Cakez, on the other hand, came to the game and moved quickly out of RVS with a mentality that comes only from town; a mentality based on "ok, who's scum" and genuinely not knowing the answer.

Cakez's reasoning is not the best based on content, it is the best to be trusted as town and leaving no doubt about it, and this game is won mainly by recognizing who's on your side.

[Cheetory6]

pinkball can you drop some zaiden thoughts