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[innocentvillager]

Hi guys

[innocentvillager]

Somebody, I won't say who, but somebody of good authority has told me that I am indeed first.

pedit: fuck you

Sucks to suck, chicken boy!

[innocentvillager]

HOLD THE LINE

[innocentvillager]

You've seen my towngame and this is clearly it idk why you're voting me

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Cephrir

Well I'm never fucking listening to my teammates again.

Tbh I would've tunneled them more too if your teammates didn't hardtown Cephrir

[innocentvillager]

Fuck I fucked up a pronoun already *him*

btw I'm really sorry about last game potentially being the catalyst for that ABR shit. I promise to be better about pronouns and I'm not off to a great start

[innocentvillager]

yeah hercule you snowed me really bad i had you in my top tier with oka hopkirk and unwnd.

[innocentvillager]

if this is wrong, please correct me, otherwise I will be committing these to hard memory

Pronouns

Titus - she
mastina - she
Xtoxm - ?? (I saw he a few times?)
Lady Lambdadelta - she
DrippingGoofball - it (accepts all pronouns ?)

everyone else is he

the worst, innocentvillager, hercule, AGar, Almost50, Dunnstral, Hopkirk, Dannflor, OkaPoka, jjh927, Ythan, Cephrir, Winter Flakes

[innocentvillager]

yeah hercule you snowed me really bad i had you in my top tier with oka hopkirk and unwnd.

bro i was trying probably harder than i've ever tried as scum i'm a little mad it got ruined

Don't worry you weren't going to make it very far.

tbh you were probably not my townread of you was contingent on you dying by like day 3 or 4

[innocentvillager]

ok well let's not play shit on hercule ok i am proud of how i did

im complimenting you! that's how towny you were to me, i would've been sus if you weren't NK'd soon-ish lol.

one reason I TR'd you was from all your team interactions, i think that is like, wayyy more NAI than I thought it was previously, especially for a team like yours.

[innocentvillager]

town was very likely going to win, unless Cephrir/ABR started obvtowning. Xtoxm was a goner at some point and hercule was not enough and apparently others were sus of them so yeah

my reads were no better than a coinflip but oh well I don't expect much from myself d1! lol

pedit: Hopkirk you were amazing and ur towniness shined through like a beautiful beacon of pure townie energy

[innocentvillager]

did you... try asking your team to case people who weren't scum with you? that feels like a communication error on your part tbh

yah how does that work? i should really just view all team interaction stuff as NAI because clearly I have no fucking concept of what kinds of team interactions are town!indicative

[innocentvillager]

*of how teammates interact with their person who rolled scum*

[innocentvillager]

uh did spf know cephrir was scum?

like, do you just tell your teammates the scumteam and then go "okay guys now just pretend you know nothing and talk about everything in this chat from this point on as if you're town!"

[innocentvillager]

can people start posting stuff i don't like

i rolled scum and hate it so im letting out all my nervous energy into main thread so i get townread for it and can coast later

[innocentvillager]

god it feels so good to finally admit the truth

[innocentvillager]

before you ask, "why are you claiming scum, innocentvillager?" you should know that scum claiming is like super scum!indicative for me!

[innocentvillager]

can people start posting stuff i don't like

i rolled scum and hate it so im letting out all my nervous energy into main thread so i get townread for it and can coast later

VOTE: innocent villager

haha you're a funny man i don't care that you voted me at all im going to pretend I didn't see it!

[innocentvillager]

i don't think I've only done it as scum, but i think it's scum!indicative just from the small sample size meta that I recall off the top of my head

#openwolfing #holdtheline

VOTE: LadyLambdadelta ok! take me to the moon hoppy daddy

[innocentvillager]

My book:

Lol

Lol

[innocentvillager]

i totally didn't stay up a little later than I should've last night because I saw implosion online and thought he might be writing role PMs

[innocentvillager]

it's fine no one has to read the first X pages anyway i don't feel bad

[innocentvillager]

i mean Mastina made it very clear that she reads the first X pages

can mastina pls solve the game already? that way we can quick-elim her scumreads and anyone she inexplicably hard townreads

[innocentvillager]

i mean Mastina made it very clear that she reads the first X pages

can mastina pls solve the game already? that way we can quick-elim her scumreads and anyone she inexplicably hard townreads

and if this doesn't solve the game, mastina is scum! ill volunteer to cop check her alignment tonight so we can implement this plan immediately. actually a better way to do it is to just eliminate her d1 and then proceed if she flips town.

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Xtoxm ill ride any wagon you want daddy

[innocentvillager]

can we get a hammer by page 10?

[innocentvillager]

time to speedrun this faster than blacc flacc

[innocentvillager]

where is the scumteam? i only see townies posting

[innocentvillager]

inb4 xtoxm claims tracker again

seeing as I am a STRONG INVESTIGATIVE ROLE i would immediately counterclaim that because there's no way that there are TWO strong investigative roles in a large normal

[innocentvillager]

oh shoot i was not supposed to post that in main thread

fuck it's too early to claim right?

[innocentvillager]

looks like my scumbuddies are really just gonna let me fakevibe here all by myself huh

[innocentvillager]

(i promise im not rolefishing guys)

[innocentvillager]

can you guys stop cluttering the thread with shit and non-game content? it's really fucking annoying when im trying to play this game for real and actually find scum.

[innocentvillager]

now im scared to leave rvs and actually get into real confrontations~

[innocentvillager]

LOL

[innocentvillager]

just so you're all aware, ive crumbed my role somewhere at this point. it's very subtle so you'll never guess it but i thought you all should know.

[innocentvillager]

Greeting

townpost

[innocentvillager]

...did you just quote our mason PT in this thread

[innocentvillager]

jsyak im still here but im running out of things to say so im nervously compensating for that by pouring my scum!mindset into main thread so that you'll lol!townbin me bc im too scummy to be scum

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: iv

v o t e a c k n o w l e d g e d , d a n n f l o r

[innocentvillager]

I was so happy innocentvillager rolled town last game... "not this time."

ik same i stayed up all night only to get a red role PM and cried myself to sleep

[innocentvillager]

i literally told implosion to not give me scum and what did he do? he gave me scum. it's honestly unacceptable, the audacity of the mods to give me my least favorite alignment

[innocentvillager]

i see your vote drippinggoofball

[innocentvillager]

this is probably gonna be a familiar thing for you huh

[innocentvillager]

i am an innocentvillager, i promise. i was just joking about being scum please believe

[innocentvillager]

ill make you townread me dgb. i will. just you wait~~~

[innocentvillager]

why are you apologizing IV, never back down from a vibe

huehue .. i haven't apologized yet,, do u want me to daddy~

[innocentvillager]

Why is this the joke you decided to explain?

agar! long time no see. just so you know, i am a big admirer of you ! let's be friends ?

[innocentvillager]

im enjoying iv but he is quite different and could be scum having a good time

yeah could be huh

or maybe YOU'RE the scum accusing me of being scum having a good time

[innocentvillager]

there's more content in the above post than your entire iso in the first game

I knew better than to waste my time on the last one.

scum thought they were the informed ones, but yeethan was informed that abr was going to throw the whole game and decided to not play it

[innocentvillager]

ill make you townread me dgb. i will. just you wait~~~

You know I'm town.

This works.

VOTE: innocentvillager

v o t e r e z e e v e d

[innocentvillager]

i was expecting to like ceph based on his answer there but i think i like him more based on not getting that answer

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes, well, you might find
You get what you need

[innocentvillager]

the moment i realized cephrir was scum was when he drew the smiley face. fake and very obvious pocket attempt!

[innocentvillager]

the link to a PT (with hindsight, probably scum PT)

I think it was his team pt. Didn't somebody do some reverse engineering on the number and date?

In any case, I agreed with your logic that he was presenting his team's post as his own.

The reverse engineering was never proven.

i don't know why we're still talking about this but we established the linked post number dates to Dec 6 and the scum PT couldn't have been created then while the team PT could have. The only way is if the post number was deliberately fabricated but then what's the difference

[innocentvillager]

In any case, I agreed with your logic that he was presenting his team's post as his own.

In hindsight, ABR's firm "i will not vote this 'townie'" on scum!xtoxm was extraordinarily effective at stopping the wagon dead in its tracks and making everyone pushing it look like scummy meanies.

one of the reasons i thought ABR was town because everyone kept calling him out for whiteknighting/tmi'ing town!xtoxm, and from what i know of ABR's scumplay he was unlikely to do that

i failed to consider that they could BOTH be scum, and he was just throwing a fit to save his buddy, lol

[innocentvillager]

inb4 xtoxm claims tracker again

seeing as I am a STRONG INVESTIGATIVE ROLE i would immediately counterclaim that because there's no way that there are TWO strong investigative roles in a large normal

I was actually considering this last game, I was a personal watcher - that's a regular watcher except I couldn't see factional abilities (the scum kill) - I was on the fence about whether my role was a cc to tracker, I saw Titus' soft and was originally planning to target them (see if they get roleblocked), decided I'd go for xtoxm that night if they lived (try to catch a roleblocker)

Really the correct decision was to elim xtoxm through claim and for nobody to cc

i briefly discussed this with gypyx (i was Follower) and we decided the claim was +scum but not enough for me to cc. i don't regret that decision honestly

there were too many people hard defending xtoxm and not all of them could've been scum lol so i just went with the assumption that some scum were tmi'ing him for whatever reason or townies have a legitimate reason/good gut

[innocentvillager]

how many posts can i get to before the thread forces me to start faking any content at all about this game? who knows

[innocentvillager]

don’t worry, I’m completely desensitized to the word vibe now, just like I’ve become to the word “performative”

[innocentvillager]

i have to admit i don't know what you are referring to in any of those 3 lines

[innocentvillager]

inb4 xtoxm claims tracker again

seeing as I am a STRONG INVESTIGATIVE ROLE i would immediately counterclaim that because there's no way that there are TWO strong investigative roles in a large normal

I was actually considering this last game, I was a personal watcher - that's a regular watcher except I couldn't see factional abilities (the scum kill) - I was on the fence about whether my role was a cc to tracker, I saw Titus' soft and was originally planning to target them (see if they get roleblocked), decided I'd go for xtoxm that night if they lived (try to catch a roleblocker)

Really the correct decision was to elim xtoxm through claim and for nobody to cc

inb4 xtoxm claims tracker again

seeing as I am a STRONG INVESTIGATIVE ROLE i would immediately counterclaim that because there's no way that there are TWO strong investigative roles in a large normal

I was actually considering this last game, I was a personal watcher - that's a regular watcher except I couldn't see factional abilities (the scum kill) - I was on the fence about whether my role was a cc to tracker, I saw Titus' soft and was originally planning to target them (see if they get roleblocked), decided I'd go for xtoxm that night if they lived (try to catch a roleblocker)

Really the correct decision was to elim xtoxm through claim and for nobody to cc

i briefly discussed this with gypyx (i was Follower) and we decided the claim was +scum but not enough for me to cc. i don't regret that decision honestly

there were too many people hard defending xtoxm and not all of them could've been scum lol so i just went with the assumption that some scum were tmi'ing him for whatever reason or townies have a legitimate reason/good gut

these two posts? what's wrong with them

i have to admit i don't know what you are referring to in any of those 3 lines

vague comment that indicates me acknowledging the fact that you are being spicier and on level 1 that might be scum indicative but on level 2 it might be town indicative

no oka stop don't make me townlean you for saying something spicy and sensible, not okay

[innocentvillager]

no don't ask me i was not aware that quoting the nested first quote within the second quote as a separate quote was redundant

[innocentvillager]

welcome Tom

[innocentvillager]

you have missed some riveting content in the past 11 pages idk if you can catch up anymore :/

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler: Tldr

[innocentvillager]

Spoiler: Tldr

alright ilu
i'm also now even more interested in your tl;dr - who's town?

i mean I could tell you but we all know how last game ended is that really what you want

[innocentvillager]

wanna give me the tl;dr

IV is scum

nooo stop it.. haha

[innocentvillager]

hercule
Hopkirk
innocentvillager
OkaPoka

Lol literally like my same townblock as last game minus unwnd... haha

[innocentvillager]

how do you have so many more people south of null than north of null

did you forget the scum are in the minority or something

[innocentvillager]

I’m interested that ceph is reacting adversely to mastina here when mastina had pretty decent scum PoE from early pages last game

i don’t know which indicative it is but it’s probably one of them?

[innocentvillager]

I didn't start posting until page 9

How am I scum on page 4 and 5?

LOL yeah there are plenty of other oddities with that readslist

[innocentvillager]

I’m interested that ceph is reacting adversely to mastina here when mastina had pretty decent scum PoE from early pages last game

i don’t know which indicative it is but it’s probably one of them?

finger gun to head its nai because i recall ceph being grumble to mastina last game and grumble to mastina in doubles mafia

ceph you think mastina just got lucky last game and you don’t think anything of her early game reads then? tell us more

[innocentvillager]

various shade of nullread

Almost50
AGar (null--he did check in but didn't continue to post)
Winter Flakes (alt of Uncrowned)
DrippingGoofball (ambivalent--can see her as town or scum, not sure which)

okay so these are locktown guys

[innocentvillager]

VLA until Sunday

I feel so shit for saying this, but:

I'm so sorry you rolled scum this game Titus.

um

[innocentvillager]

I think my townleans are Okapoka mastina Cephrir

thank you listening, see you next time

[innocentvillager]

i townlean you too now!

[innocentvillager]

AGar how do you like my posting yet I am exactly the kind of player you hate Loool

[innocentvillager]

i don't think much of basically anyone's reads, although there are exceptions i can count on one hand, unless they can explain them in a way that convinces me.

this is helpful to know ig but I think I was more interested in why you reacted like that towards mastina specifically? i think I have an idea but I’m curious it hear it in your words

[innocentvillager]

i mean, because she shitted up last game by making boatloads of massive, irrelevant posts about stuff that had happened 80 pages ago, and i would like her to stop doing that.

got it, is this something that genuinely upset you last game? aren’t scum usually happy about someone being kind of anti-town and clogging the thread like that?

[innocentvillager]

It also felt like an intentional choice? Is that a right read IV? It stood out to me and I'm wondering if you were trying to accomplish something specific with the "guys I'm scum" shit posts or if you just didn't want to let go of the fun

Also I'm not sure I vibe with your jump on Cephrir as I think interpreting "don't post your reads list every page" as "Cephrir must hate mastina's reads" feels like just looking for something to attack

i never “jumped” on cephrir in fact I think I townlean him for the post you think I jumped on him for? still poking and going through the motions, yknow

nope! not accomplishing anything specific, I appreciate that you had even a fraction of faith in me to be like an non brain dead mafia player who does things with an actual purpose ?? But no alas I will disappoint you here

[innocentvillager]

i missed performative dann

[innocentvillager]

this is weird but I have been weirdly mindmelding with mastina on various things

not that I think dann is scum necessarily but like I do not townread him whatsoever

then again I didn’t townread him much last game either so I’m probably just ass at reading him

[innocentvillager]

if hercule pre-wrote the entrance post then why did he post it if he's scum? saying he prewrote implies he genuinely believes that scum!him will not post that. if he's scum, he either had a change of heart and went "ehh, i'll post it anyway bc LOL" or he changed it somehow.

you can't just toss it aside and pretend it doesn't exist because he prewrote it.

[innocentvillager]

her n you have some history?

There is one rule with Mastina's reads.

Take her read list, and start killing from towniest to scumiest in order.

You will win the game before you lose it, almost always. Without fail.

i mean... i can't really take you seriously when you talk in these absolute terms and genuinely believe it because a) no one's reads are in expectation THAT much worse than a coinflip b) mastina was literally slightly more right than wrong literally last game

OkaPoka
Titus
Dannflor
Hopkirk
Dunnstral
the worst

Albert B. Rampage
Xtoxm

innocentvillager
unwnd
Uncrowned

Almost50
DrippingGoofball
Ythan

AGar

Cephrir
hercule

The more and more I read, the more and more this feels right.
Of townblock, locktown, poe-contains-1/2-scum, and just scum.

[innocentvillager]

im not trying to be snippy, sorry if it came off that way.

i don't really have a comment on the 2nd post you're talking about yet, I was just looking at the first post. And LLD im not sure im really understanding your point. I'm referring to this line here:

now, that being said, I am typing this up pre-flip. If you are seeing this, I am probably town. I don't think I would post this if I flip mafia, the WIFOM wouldn't be worth revealing my entire playbook.

let's assume the whole post is prewritten (big assumption but let's go with it).

he actually thinks he doesn't post this if he flips mafia at the time, we agree on that right?

We agree that he posts it almost 100% of the time if he flips town.

Now you're saying that:

If he is scum and chose to post it anyway, it would be for that reason [it wouldn't have any tone leakage] and as a good entry cover to not get early wagoned.

Key word is "If" he chooses to post. I account for this possibility in my post: I said that it was POSSIBLE that he rolled scum and decided to post it anyway. Admittedly when I said "for the lolz" maybe that's downplaying it but I see your point, maybe he just thought it was something he could wifom back to and say "lol i wouldn't post this as scum". But these are all thoughts he would've have to have had after the fact. And in order for the first post to be NAI under our assumption of it being prewritten, we need to think he is close to 100% likely to post it when he does flip scum. I think there's a reasonable chance that if he flips scum he actually scraps the post or at least changes some things. If that's where we disagree on, then fine, I'm just explaining my thought process a little bit more

[innocentvillager]

IV's response to my Mastina related post

I can understand you not liking my take on hercule's 1st post. Can you address this part though when you get a chance, and why you think it makes me +scum in a vacuum?

[innocentvillager]

the more i read the more im thinking im the idiot here for not grasping what you are saying and that we might be talking past each other on hercule's 1st post

I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?

idk, im pretty mixed on hercule especially now that everyone is shading them but it's not like, unexpected shade to me given his posting style i guess

[innocentvillager]

I've read hercule's 2nd post and I don't get the "fucking awful" vibes that you are getting from it. He probably didn't prewrite the 2nd post so that's why it seems improvisational and I think it's fine if it references his voice reaction from 12h ago or whatever?

to be clear this was an invitation to elaborate more on why it's an awful post so i can maybe see more of what you're seeing btw, not me telling you that you're wrong. (I feel like i shouldn't have to say things like this but more and more people are misinterpreting my engagement was hostile closedmindedness which is NOT at all the vibe I'm trying to give off. maybe im doing something wrong lol)

[innocentvillager]

and wait ceph was scum in both those games maybe ugh brb

oka did you have a followup here? i kind of assumed you were going to look at some ceph meta for more info but you never came back with it

[innocentvillager]

oka can you tell me why you are voting hercule?

[innocentvillager]

ok maybe ill ask the more pointed thing im thinking about then: does LLD's gripe with hercule's second post resonate with you and why if so?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: hercule fair

see, i kind of don't think hercule does like the exact same shit he did in the first game (immediate lamisty self-arguments and suggestions for why he should be conftown) but with a slightly different tone unless he's thinking on like level 3? but maybe he just is like, thinking on level 3 here

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

[innocentvillager]

im starting to think the whole "i wouldn't post this as scum" thing is most likely either a) B.S. he came up with post-PM or b) something hercule actually thought on first-draft, and if he rolled scum he re-evaluated it from a scum perspective and still decided to post it

so I don't think it's that likely scum!him scrapped his whole post anymore

the idea is that with a playstyle that open, eventually town is probably going to ask you for your scum!approach last game anyway and it looks better if you pre-emptively post it yourself

but yeah maybe we can wait for hercule for more color. i enjoyed being the annoying hyperposting kitty for one day but it's time to sleep and lurk out the rest of the game

[innocentvillager]

i genuinely don't know how to feel about that prediction

[innocentvillager]

I’m kidding I actually appreciate it

DGB why does that pain you

IV is so much fun to collaborate with when he's town and I don't think it's gonna happen here.

awww this gave me fuzzies! conftown

and I am town dgb i promise!

[innocentvillager]

nah I’m actually not self conscious believe it or not lollll

but one thing I hate as either alignment is any sort of heated 1v1 so I am anti-confrontational. Maybe more as scum

[innocentvillager]

huh? im not feeling self conscious wdym

[innocentvillager]

although there are exceptions i can count on one hand

(one of them is in this game though)

hmmm is it LLD? :O

[innocentvillager]

If anything, I would expect hercule if scum here to come across as MORE forced, MORE fake, than last time, due to the desired need to try and change/shift his style into a different one to avoid being caught. But instead, this hercule has zero fakeness in it.

I don’t know if I agree with this hmm

[innocentvillager]

Even tho I'm in the 90% certainty that LLD and Dann are scum

sorry fmpov it is difficult to take your reads seriously when you say things like this. it seems likely to me that you are probably overconfident in your reads and way off on the percentages, especially when multiple people have expressed empirical concerns with your reads

[innocentvillager]

Because if I based my yeet pool around players who's posting style I can't stand, my yeet pool would be at least a dozen players. Old man good at separating playstyle from whether I think you're scum or not.

thnk u agar respect that! speaking of i went back and was reminded of this

I am not going to nolife this game.
I am not going to "hang around" after I post if I have something else to do or even just don't feel like staring at a mafia game spamming F5.
I am not going to ignore my job or my other responsibilities to post repeatedly in this game.
I am going to do my damndest to avoid spam posting because the very thought rips the will to play out of my soul

and as i read each line felt more and more attacked because that's exactly what i do LOL

[innocentvillager]

Because there are more town than there are scum, it is more important to correctly identify town than it is to correctly identify scum on D1. If you have a townbloc that is entirely town on D1, then you increase the chances of a scum elimination exponentially every single day you are alive and that townbloc is entirely made of town.

the rest of your post was interesting but this is a very bizarre mindset to me that i cannot seem to agree with

[innocentvillager]

hmm i am having a lot of trouble getting reads in this game, i think my LLD townlean crumbled to dust after seeing the kind of player she is

[innocentvillager]

i thought i was scum to you DGB?

[innocentvillager]

mastina just feels like obvtown and i don't know about anyone else

like, literally if mastina is town and is 90% on dann/lld indepedently being scum like what the fuck else are we doing except voting there unless she has her head so far up her ass that she's -rand, like if the mod told me we had even a 33% shot at hitting scum on D1 i would snap vote and tab out

VOTE: LLD

[innocentvillager]

gth

{innocentvillager}
{mastina}
{OkaPoka}
{Hopkirk, hercule, DGB}
{everyone else???}
{LLD, Dann, A50} sure i will sheep the PoE that has been floating around whatever for now i can't read Dann or LLD whatsoever

[innocentvillager]

add cephrir to PoE and Dunnstral to the lol!townlean {hopkirk, hercule, dgb} tier i guess

[innocentvillager]

im too scared of you dannflor

[innocentvillager]

lld are you just going to scumread everyone who disagrees with you? that is the vibe i am getting from you, sorry if it's a misrep.

[innocentvillager]

disagrees with you/calls you scum

[innocentvillager]

Saying "sorry if this is a misrep" doesn't mean you're not intentionally misrepresenting me against easily found evidence that disproves the claim.

why do you think i would intentionally misrep you while qualifying that i could be misrepping you while directly asking you to explain yourself? that doesn't really make sense to me and makes me wondering you're just confbiased on me

[innocentvillager]

im too scared of you dannflor

I just don't think you've seen my scum game before so I'm curious where that comes from exactly

And it feels a little lazy to sheep mastina's PoE when you know first hand from last game that her reads are hit and miss

I don't actually think I'm that hard to read and I'm a little mystified where that idea comes from for you

honestly i don't know where it comes from, it just comes from somewhere in dumb-ass brain, something about seeing your posting makes me go "fuck maybe he's good at scum" or smthng and i shut off more avenues of potentially townreading you than with most people ig

but yeah you're right, i should more critically try and sort you at some point

it's of course "lazy" to sheep mastina's PoE but im trying to hit scum and i don't trust myself after my atrocious reads last game. also if we're going to evaluate her ability in the context of the last game i might be less inclined to trust her hard townreads but she did have 2/3 confident scumreads that were actually scum?

yes i believe that she is a bit deluded about the 90% number. yes i believe that she believes it. i also believe there seems like enough of a reason and thought process behind her thoughts/reads that i find it hard to believe she is just so far off and i shouldn't listen to her at all especially knowing she's likely to be town

[innocentvillager]

Saying "sorry if this is a misrep" doesn't mean you're not intentionally misrepresenting me against easily found evidence that disproves the claim.

why do you think i would intentionally misrep you while qualifying that i could be misrepping you while directly asking you to explain yourself? that doesn't really make sense to me and makes me wondering you're just confbiased on me

Because "Never Play Defense" is a common scum strategy, and most people understand that if they make a false but loud claim, even if it's disproved, it will do damage to credibility.

Like you, following up on that post by again, not playing defense and instead of being like "oops I was obviously wrong with my obviously wrong claim, my bad" being like "oh wow you're so confbiased that when I made an obviously wrong claim and you won't let me get away with preempting my own bad claim with a hedging statement that's confbias"

it's more aggressive discredit. It's "playing defense is losing, so I'll keep making wrong, bad and loud statement about my opp in the hopes that people will ignore the rest.

okay thanks. just keep in mind you are explaining concepts to me that I'm supposedly executing realtime that literally have never crossed my mind (you wouldn't know that though, i guess)

[innocentvillager]

4

Karl Popper outlined a tetradic schema to describe the growth of theories and, via generalization, also the emergence of new behaviors and living organisms: (1) problem, (2) tentative theory, (3) (attempted) error-elimination (especially by way of critical discussion), and (4) new problem(s). (See Popper's Objective Knowledge, 1972, revised 1979.)

Vote Count 1.4

hercule

(6): Lady Lambdadelta, Ythan, OkaPoka, the worst, Dannflor, Dunnstral

Lady Lambdadelta

(4): DrippingGoofball, hercule, Hopkirk, innocentvillager

Dannflor

(2): Cephrir, mastina

the worst

(2): jjh927, Winter Flakes

Almost50

(1): Almost50

DrippingGoofball

(1): Xtoxm

Not Voting

(2): Titus, AGar

With 18 alive, it takes 10 votes to eliminate. Deadline is set for 11:00 AM PST on February 12, in (expired on 2021-02-12 15:00:00).

interesting that there's almost zero overlaps with the wagons this game and the wagons last game with the same plist

[innocentvillager]

ugh why is it so much harder to get reads this game than last game? is anyone else feeling the same way? i feel like it should be easier because we've all played with each other before but whenever i see people and think "yeah they're playing similar/not similar to last game" i just wifom the fuck out of myself. maybe the goal is just to forget about last game? but that doesn't seem right either when the info is there and relevant. im probably overcomplicating it somehow

[innocentvillager]

Ythan may be scum.
I am not getting good vibes from OkaPoka and I am sad.

why okapoka?

can you talk about your read progression on me? (if it's scum -> still scum that's fine)

[innocentvillager]

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

Big mistake; LLD is almost definitely scum here.

If Alisae and/or chennisden were here (I'm not quite sure who's where in that; Alisae and chennisden are listed as players in Quick Attack but Quick Attack's representative is Titus and Titus isn't listed in the TM list for Quick Attack), e would know where I am coming from in my reads here. And even as Titus, Titus may have memories of what I'm referring to. (Tho that said, if Titus is scum like I fear, she may not corroborate anyway.)

Almost50 can talk to Gamma Emerald to see where I am coming from here, if Gamma remembers.
DGB might know where I'm coming from if it remembers tho I'm not sure it will.
jjh should be able to back me up here, too.

You can ask your teammate Iconeum, IV, where I am coming from and Iconeum with intimate familiarity should know where I'm coming from.
And while PB may not be playing and Xtoxm may have a chance of being rerolled-scum, PB would be able to get where I'm coming from.

the worst should know where I am coming from here (tho given the significant chance he's scum I wouldn't expect him to back me up here).

Heck, while I'll always be surprised if Cephrir supports me and he wasn't there D1 even he might know where I am coming from here. (To a lesser extent, Dunnstral too.)

This is not LLD's towngame.
Nor is it Dannflor's towngame.

When I said I was getting deja vu--I meant it.

okay Iconeum responded to this and ill paraphrase

he is confused on how the fuck it is intimate familiarity

if he recalls correctly it's Pine v Ali and mastina's LLD scumread was largely based on claim and setup spec

basically it, also like

yeah mastina correctly pushed LLD D1 in one game played together

[innocentvillager]

What I thought was towny was mostly a tone read and got town apart back to null in the next few pages, and I remember that I shifted to townreading him as the game went on last time.

i can't interpret this sentence can you rephrase

[innocentvillager]

okay read up a bit on hercule, i think i get the gist of the case? it feels a bit tunnelly/confbiasy (fine, all cases kind of are) but overall I'm not like, super convinced it's as AI as the pushers are saying it is and overall im still leantown on him from tone/frustration

[innocentvillager]

it's still possible mastina/lld/hercule/dannflor is just all town lol and we're all dumb

[innocentvillager]

also @Xtoxm i just want to quickly confirm your preferred pronouns are he/him/his since that's what I've been seeing? thx

[innocentvillager]

what do your reads approximately look like rn titus?

[innocentvillager]

not-so innocentvillager - morose and demotivated, not solving

LOL i couldn't stop laughing when i read this for some reason i want to sig it (postgame? i assume i can't do that while the game is ongoing?)

[innocentvillager]

DGB so morose guiltyvillager is bussing LLD here ya?

[innocentvillager]

Ok. I colored you green because you weren't in the null or scum piles.

I really like IV for scum based on his flop. He was ok sheeping the eliminate mastina's TRs. Now, he's voting LLD.

I kinda like IV, the worst and Dannfloor as scum but that's based on my TvT theory.

VOTE: IV

Explain your flop please.

wat i don't undersatnd

[innocentvillager]

i am incredibly difficult to miselim as town just so you know scum! (no that's not at anyone in particular )

[innocentvillager]

F

[innocentvillager]

IV- he's weirdposting for sure but it doesn't seem self conscious to me, quite the opposite. i am interested in how he responds to titus' post above though.

what is so interesting about titus's post? i don't even know what she wants me to explain, maybe you can explain it to me like im 5?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: hercule fair

see, i kind of don't think hercule does like the exact same shit he did in the first game (immediate lamisty self-arguments and suggestions for why he should be conftown) but with a slightly different tone unless he's thinking on like level 3? but maybe he just is like, thinking on level 3 here

fwiw i think lld and mastina are my top townleans

is this the part where I "sheep LLD on killing mastina's townreads" Titus?

this didn't really have anything to do with LLD, i was just talking to Oka and i think i thought it would be fun to pressure hercule who i wanted more from at that point anyway

[innocentvillager]

thanks ceph and oka y'all got my back <3 i knew you guys would realize im town!

[innocentvillager]

Although I am not as very transparently Town as I was the time before

i don’t like this after thinking more about it

ik this is kind of old (?) but can you talk about what you thought about?

[innocentvillager]

nothing to see here dannflor move along

[innocentvillager]

okapoka is either confirmed town or confirmed scum

[innocentvillager]

okapoka is either confirmed town or confirmed scum

very astute

thnk u dannflor!

[innocentvillager]

Although I am not as very transparently Town as I was the time before

i don’t like this after thinking more about it

ik this is kind of old (?) but can you talk about what you thought about?

Hopkirk when you get a chance can you respond to this? what was going on from 412->481 about this line

[innocentvillager]

which is nigh impossible to do on D1 unless you're all crazy enough to massclaim before the day ends

i already claimed

just need 17 more

and thanks Hopkirk for the response

[innocentvillager]

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[innocentvillager]

I don’t get why Hercule couldn’t have been coached on reacting to pressure differently

“the difference between this game and last game is night and day so he’s town” doesn’t feel like a convincing argument in isolation? like that’s one of the reasons I’m having a hard time getting reads and it’s not really for the reason you said about “scum have to be good” lol.

[innocentvillager]

regardless if it’s coaching or not (also peta is good at scum and I saw him coach a newer scum buddy a lot once) it’s very he purposely reacted differently because he knew we all know he reacted that way last game

Like if I was scum this game literally I would just try to play the same way I did last game

idk, it’s just all so abuseable that i almost think in isolation playing completely differently is +same alignment as last time

[innocentvillager]

Bundled are the fates of us

adsfgh mastina makes good points to be honest, but also mastina always makes convincing points when she isn't talking about you

didn’t you just say mastina makes good points? which points are you referring to then

[innocentvillager]

get that the points where hercule is significantly different in reaction from last game scum hercule is a good point and possibly +town points

I’m mostly just not convinced of this

[innocentvillager]

idk I’ve never been exclusive enough to have secret unknown exclusive meta so i don’t know what to tell you about that oka

[innocentvillager]

right

I definitely would not expect scum!hercule to act similarly if pushed by mastina at all, wouldn’t that just get him scumread

I can maybe buy that it’s possible scum!hercule will blow up even worse? but he already blew up last game kind of so it makes sense for him to take a totally different approach

like channeling his genuine frustration at being caught into purposely reacting differently to pressure than last game

[innocentvillager]

guys our game is longer than the mini normal

[innocentvillager]

the 90% makes so much more sense now

for me the percentages have always meant probability of flipping mafia. Base for me is 4/17 about 23.5% (not 50% like you just said) so I was baffled when you said 90% and I offered to snap yeet LLD and dannflor

[innocentvillager]

i don’t know about you guys but I have literally never seen the word performative in my life before this game and now everyone is using including my teammates and it’s driving me crazy

[innocentvillager]

Lol I gotcha but at least it makes her easy to read? if she just says she likes the post I can’t divine alignment from that as easily

[innocentvillager]

dgb how do you feel that your worldview is me/LLD and I am voting her rn? and if I’m so scummy why haven’t you tried to push me more; a lot of people townread me, doesn’t that concern you?

[innocentvillager]

But what are the chances that this coaching is SO thorough, SO accurate, that it covers EVERY base, including points that people didn't express before, and that even with these pointers from the coach, hercule executed on the coaching perfectly?

mastina, I am mostly in agreement with your Occam's razor logic, but there are two things I'd like to point out that I don't vibe with yet

1) This is an unprecedented situation, where literally 16/18 people were in last game which happened back to back so literally EVERYONE is going to use that as a baseline and EVERYONE knows that other people are going to be referencing their play last game

My point is this game I think it will be way more present and looming than normal. Like this is isn't some "oh X and Y have played with me a few games ago, they might have a sense for my towngame so I'll just make a quick change from then to throw them off" situation. I don't feel nearly as threatened rolling scum in a totally different plist with maybe a few people I've played with before, vs if I rolled scum in this second iteration of a game; I would've been way more worried and done way more differently because you've ALL seen my exact recent townplay in this kind of situation with this plist and ALL 14 townies (if I was scum) are going to be comparing my play to last game compared to maybe a couple people max in a normal game. hercule is literally an unknown so this argument might apply even more to him; I'd be way more purposeful and worried if I was in hercule's shoes and rolled scum right after last game.

2) I'm not fully convinced of your "premise" that hercule has drastically transformed in so many ways, to that point that it's so improbable that he can purposely do this by himself or with a little bit of coaching

Specifically, I want to be convinced that hercule has transformed like, in multiple multiple ways (or covered "EVERY Base"), that others haven't expressed. The more you say it as if he's done a 180 in MULTIPLE ways, the more I feel that I'm probably just missing something. would you mind tl;dr'ing me/quoting me on it? For example, this is what I see from you wrt to hercule's "wildly different play" (if there's a lot more, I probably missed it because truthfully I have not completely read every single one of your walls, but thanks in advance for obliging me anyway):

hercule, last game, was frustrated and upset at me--I was right on him, and he exploded.

hercule, this game, is frustrated and upset--but the frustration is nothing like the frustration he showed when I was right on him.

If hercule were scum this game, I would expect him to show similar behavior to last game, maybe even worse. (If he were scum twice in a row, and scumread by a player twice in a row for seemingly no reason, I'd expect his blowup to be WORSE the second time, due to the sheer implausibility of getting scum twice, being widely townread twice, only to have one player scumread him and be strong about it.)

Instead, hercule's reaction to the pressure this game is night and day different--the frustration and upsetness is present the same, but what he did is entirely different.

So the difference is between:

a) Against your push, hercule last game reacted in a frustrated, upset but overall discrediting, vitriolic manner, and even tried to straight up just OMGUS you
b) Against LLD's push, hercule this game reacted in a frustrated, upset manner, but he was at least being more cooperative and actually trying to work with LLD and sort her

Like, if this is the premise that you are Occam's Razoring off of (please please correct me if I'm mistaken!), I don't know if I buy that it's unfakeable enough of a change for me; that combined with my first point on how this is an unprecedented situation makes me remain unconvinced on your hercule towncase.

[innocentvillager]

I need to go compare his posting tone from this game to last to see if I just think his post style in general reads as townie to me to see if im just biasing myself into a townlean

WF did you ever do this?

[innocentvillager]

hercule ive spent an inordinate amt of time on you because sorting you seems to be high priority aorn with the wagon on you

LLD is also a major wagon but from what i hear her scumgame is very good and AtE-heavy as well, so that's also a priority for me but admittedly ive found it easier to engage with the discussion around you so that's where ive been focusing aorn

mastina, who i believe is very likely to be town, has a super strong townread on you, and if she can convince me/make me see her POV, i would gain an invaluable townread and can push against your wagon

[innocentvillager]

like just claiming scum lmao, feels like scum wouldn't be so bold

also if we're gonna go by meta i think of the times ive claimed scum early game i was something like 75% likely to actually be scum i think (if there's anything more specifically AI it's probably related to the way i claim scum ??)

if we include this game in there tho it's 60%!

[innocentvillager]

lmao you saying this makes me more inclined to townread it...

that's the goal

[innocentvillager]

because she 100% feels more agenda-y and less grandstand-y this game.

i don't get the sense that scum!mastina is one of those elimination power-drivery agenda people

feel like if anything she'd be more grandstanding/postury as scum whenever she does decide to pop-in and post

i don't have scum!mastina meta though, this is purely based on seeing her posting style, i feel like it'd be very very difficult to keep up what's she's doing here as scum

[innocentvillager]

actually tbh i don't know why im trying to offer points for town!mastina, some paranoia on that slot is probably good anyway as a sanity check down the line

go back to being paranoid about mastina, Oka

pedit: yeah that makes sense, imo she is very wordy and the literal opposite of concise. i still think she's very much worth engaging at least but to each their own

[innocentvillager]

i like how people read my thought process post and only consider the part about themselves and then skim past it

wha..? who would be so self centered and do that.. of course i read your whole post and paid the same amount of attention to the parts about me than the parts about other people...

[innocentvillager]

I see no reason beyond her personality to think she is.

beyond her personality...?

[innocentvillager]

@mastina

i don't think you understand my 1st point, im not talking about "16 players potentially coaching him" or whatever, my point is that if he's scum there are literally ~14 town players who are trying to read him who were literally in last game. Because of that there's more pressure than a normal game to play "differently", and scum should feel tons of eyes on them this game. sorry if that was confusing

re: 2nd point i also wanted to make sure i wasn't crazy that you'd like already posted these arguments. im not promising doing your exercise in the near future but i will put that on my to-do list. and thanks in advance if you decide to effort-towncase him more in depth

pedit: re: "innocent until proven guilty" i don't really see it the same way, sure baseline is that he's 13/17 = 76.5% to be town which is more likely than not but i don't like the innocent until proven guilty approach necessarily just from that lol. and you don't need to do anything either way, im just saying i would be more convinced if you did

[innocentvillager]

mastina I totally agree there is a degree to which you can’t just “be different”. Like I said earlier the thing I’m not convinced of yet is whether or not he has crossed that boundary of “so different he’s unlikely to emulate all these different things”. Once I convince myself or someone else convinces me that will turn into a stronger townlean on hercule

[innocentvillager]

as I’ve said before I am totally open to LLD/dann/mastina/hercule all being town and will entertain any theories on how scum are positioning themselves around this

[innocentvillager]

i do think dgb’s treatment of my slot has been a little weird i don’t mind moving them back to null for now I guess

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: dgb the chicken Is making a lot of sense lately and I’m starting to tr lld

[innocentvillager]

oops I’m busy too! hehe.. gotta go... bye

[innocentvillager]

we’re not THAT transparent what are you talking about dgb.. haha

[innocentvillager]

if we’re so transparent then who is it?

[innocentvillager]

You do realize there are more people not agreeing with you than scum in this game right

It's not like my scumreads on Oka and IV are anything new, right?

I feel so bad for scumreading IV, he's so self-conscious and anxious about my scumread. Believe me when I tell you that it hurts me more than it hurts him.

I’m pretty sure if you’re 1 out of like the whole plist who’s scumreading me then i wouldn’t even bother to interact with you as scum

i don’t know why I would be anxious as scum in this scenario...

i feel a little shuddery about your SR on my slot, like you’re not critically thinking about it or seriously pushing it or team solving yet you’re making confident reads left and right, atp that’s why I’m voting you bc I want to see where this goes

[innocentvillager]

lol I feel like I’m missing the sarcasm/joke? i admittedly don’t have a lot of conviction in voting for you or whatever but I think it’s worth pressuring you/can’t think of a better use for my vote rn

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: dgb the chicken Is making a lot of sense lately and I’m starting to tr lld

I want multiple examples of chicken posts you're referencing here.

I've been ???ing at Oka all day so it's an odd comment to see from IV.

literally 1532 onwards

yes, i think it's a leap to say DGB is scum from his conclusions, but when aren't reads giant elastic arm stretches anyway especially on D1. I got a similar vibe on DGB anyway prior to this; it's posting looks similar and almost feels similar which makes me lean town but it's more pointed and forceful and again ive raised concerns with it's treatment of my slot in the past

i also tentatively buy the idea that scum!LLD is just better than this. if LLD is scum that might not be good for Oka (?) but it seems like kind of a weird pre-planned play to make Oka post something like this to save his partner

[innocentvillager]

also for some reason i townread 1567, 1569 but i can't put my finger on it. probably dependent on Oka/LLD alignments too but im not sure in what way

[innocentvillager]

dgb how does your team feel about your solve?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: dgb the chicken Is making a lot of sense lately and I’m starting to tr lld

I want multiple examples of chicken posts you're referencing here.

I've been ???ing at Oka all day so it's an odd comment to see from IV.

These are the posts you're referring to, IV.

You haven't answered the question in 1567 at all.

yeah i said i townread those and i literally did answer it

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: dgb the chicken Is making a lot of sense lately and I’m starting to tr lld

I want multiple examples of chicken posts you're referencing here.

I've been ???ing at Oka all day so it's an odd comment to see from IV.

literally 1532 onwards

yes, i think it's a leap to say DGB is scum from his conclusions, but when aren't reads giant elastic arm stretches anyway especially on D1. I got a similar vibe on DGB anyway prior to this; it's posting looks similar and almost feels similar which makes me lean town but it's more pointed and forceful and again ive raised concerns with it's treatment of my slot in the past

i also tentatively buy the idea that scum!LLD is just better than this. if LLD is scum that might not be good for Oka (?) but it seems like kind of a weird pre-planned play to make Oka post something like this to save his partner

this whole thing is the answer

and i talk about what from those specific posts I liked and how i felt about those arguments

if you have more questions, you only need ask

[innocentvillager]

dgb if we are both town then who is scum? im scumsiding with scum!dunnstral and scum!okapoka who are trying to deflect away from scum!LLD? is that the narrative that makes the most sense for you rn (if im town)?

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[innocentvillager]

I got Ramcius on discord now and he wants me to ask you what makes Oka town. He also says you should point to something specific to make me town read him.

i don't really have anything specific

maybe i just tend to townread Oka's style and that fact that he's even close to hitting a similar energy as last game when I don't think he would really be trying as scum when his team has already lost is +town

i don't expect to convince anyone when im not even convinced of his alignment myself tho lol, not sure why ramcius is specifically interested in this

[innocentvillager]

i have been reluctant to post our case, as im worried about dismantling our wagon on lld, but auro feels its time to share.

we still want to eliminate lld today

lol sorry but now i kind of just want to eliminate dunnstral because i don't really see a great case on LLD?

[innocentvillager]

i don't expect to convince anyone when im not even convinced of his alignment myself tho lol, not sure why ramcius is specifically interested in this

also surprised cakez didn't weigh in on me bc he knows me and afaik ive never played with ramcius

[innocentvillager]

Chennisden has some thoughts that I'll be paraphrasing over here. He agrees with me on IV scum and LLD town, so at least that's something.

welp dannflor that's two slots scumreading me now lol

ahhh the pressure is mounting ahhh

[innocentvillager]

sorry Dunn :/ hopefully this wagon doesn’t go through but I feel like town!me would be on it let’s see if we can try to derail it

[innocentvillager]

oops wrong thread

[innocentvillager]

I enjoy ur thoughtful walls Danny pls feel free to do them as much as u like

ya i enjoyed this read. would recommend to a friend

[innocentvillager]

oh boy mafia tilt been there done that not fun

dw in a few days there will be some other totally new heated 1v1 action that will make everyone forget about this and the cycle repeats

what a great game

[innocentvillager]

dgb if we are both town then who is scum? im scumsiding with scum!dunnstral and scum!okapoka who are trying to deflect away from scum!LLD? is that the narrative that makes the most sense for you rn (if im town)?

I misunderstood Ramcius. He said that if you being an argument with "if we are both town" then you have to convince me that you're town first, because I scumread you.

okay so it has nothing to do with okapoka? ok yeah that felt a little random to me

uhh not gonna towncase myself or anything lol? but one reason im town is because i literally can't stand posting in main thread as scum but idk how i would be playing here in this very specific game as scum honestly :/

if im scum i definitely cannot keep this kind of solving/energy up organically for long unless i want to wreck my mental health (which i don't!) so ill probably give myself away as scum eventually

[innocentvillager]

dgb if we are both town then who is scum? im scumsiding with scum!dunnstral and scum!okapoka who are trying to deflect away from scum!LLD? is that the narrative that makes the most sense for you rn (if im town)?

So you're saying that you also scumread Dunn and Oka and LLD?

i never said anything like that? i scumlean Dunn mostly based on xtoxm's case which i found fairly reasonable. I think i townlean Oka and LLD but im not sure. y'know what ill just make some tiers

{innocentvillager}
{mastina}
{Dannflor, Okapoka, hercule, Xtoxm, A50}
{LLD}
{the worst, Winter, Ythan, Hopkirk, Titus, Cephrir, AGar, DGB, jj} - nully
{dunnstral}

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: Dunnstral

VOTE: Dunnstral

I'm going to need an explanation for these.

Dann and hopkirk suddenly casing me as scum is very conveniently timed.

Dann asserting that I am on the sidelines for lld/hercule is incorrect.

Again, saying I'm fencesitty is wrong

:shrug:

some parts of that case felt good
some of them i'll grant might not be
i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting

yeah this is my sentiment basically

[innocentvillager]

i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting

Are you going to take their word for it or look for yourself?

Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?

i'm not very good at meta and auro is a more analytical type of player which might be a good approach to this game in particular given that my approach is not really working so far, so i was planning to take their word for it yes

oh look this too

but i will take a look at some point if this wagon gets more serious, i just don't expect to be very good at it either

[innocentvillager]

dannflor why the switch? has dunnstral's reaction been towny or something?

[innocentvillager]

I'm not asking you to use meta

I'm asking you to look at my posts and answer this:

Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?

Meta would be if I'm asking you to compare it to my scum/town game. I'm not doing that. You can do this exercise by reading only t his game.

i am feeling lazy (heh) and will do this later

in general i think i know what you're getting at. you're saying xtoxm thinks insightfulness/explain-yness is a towntell for you and that it's not here, but you think it is here. but also to evaluate the whole meta argument i kind of need to get a better understanding for your meta, i can't just answer this question unfortunately in isolation. but i see what you're saying and it does weaken the case for me a bit. but in general i am purposely kind of outsourcing my reads/votes to other people this game at least in the beginning, partly on purpose (because my d1 reads last game were bad and i feel like other's opinions are generally more confident and stronger than mine) and partly out of laziness.

prior to team mafia and 2180 my understanding of your posting was that it was very terse and one-lined as either alignment. have you intentionally been writing longer and more thought-heavy posts lately or am i just crazy? in that sense i just dont have a great sense of your meta. i think the fact that auro who is probably way better at interpreting this stuff than me can get your alignment right 5/5 times and is scumreading you here is just another thing making it more likely you are scum here fmpov

[innocentvillager]

as a side note ive been mindmelding with some of cephrir's posting lately so i consider that +town ok thanks

[innocentvillager]

i think it just goes back to cephrir not liking mastina I don’t think it’s AI

[innocentvillager]

prior to team mafia and 2180 my understanding of your posting was that it was very terse and one-lined as either alignment. have you intentionally been writing longer and more thought-heavy posts lately or am i just crazy? in that sense i just dont have a great sense of your meta. i think the fact that auro who is probably way better at interpreting this stuff than me can get your alignment right 5/5 times and is scumreading you here is just another thing making it more likely you are scum here fmpov

If you see me writing shorter posts and not often, and not digging deep into the game, that means I'm not interested/not engaged/don't have time to be engaged with that game yet

It's something that I do as both alignments. Activity is not a good meta tell for me, it's also not the tell that is being used here

I'm capable of posting a lot as town/scum, this is team mafia so I'm definitely not going to lurk this one out in any case

yeah I’m not crazy

I’m talking about the games we’ve played

Mini normal 2156 launch mob - town
Newbie 2017 ducks - town
Open 792 monks and masons (with agar from here) - multiball scum

I just checked your ISOs from those games and they are night and day difference from your 2180 and two Team Mafia LN games

so you just weren’t engaged in those games but you were in 2180 and this I guess? fair

[innocentvillager]

btw I am going to be out of town from Saturday until Saturday. I won't exactly be V/LA because I will have my laptop and I'll make sure to log in to my account on my phone before I leave. But I won't have a ton of time to play. If that's an issue for anyone let me know and I'll see if I can do anything about it

that is an issue for me.

[innocentvillager]

worsty i see you're voting dgb. you feeling reasonably confident there? does it feel different to you (iirc you strong TR'd it last game)?

[innocentvillager]

While I love the wagons for VCA, I still think these are T v T.

which wagons

[innocentvillager]

ah i see you are a subscriber to the flanndor theory yes?

[innocentvillager]

let's wagon OkaPoka, who started the wagon on DGB

[innocentvillager]

aww bye hercule you will be missed! i had fun playing with ya

[innocentvillager]

im like totally fine with just eliming worst today

nooooo i wanna play with worsty

[innocentvillager]

Hey TW how do you feel that I'm voting you

should I feel anything? I haven't done anything this game and I've been away for days

why are you voting me?

you think this is +scum? seems like he's just busy and disengaged to me, i wouldn't be surprised or care if i had votes on me after being basically absent from the game

[innocentvillager]

i gotcha

he spent the first half of last game ignoring me too then suddenly started engaging me when he decided to play the game so maybe we'll just have to wait for worsty to play

[innocentvillager]

i think im still fine with dunnstral or dgb today, i don't think dunn's activity spike is really townspew or scumspew, just weakened the case on him objectively a bit which is... fine i guess

could go ythan too i guess

i get that dgb is different this game but like idk it's hard for me to discern alignment from it

feels like it can do that as town. interacting with dgb this game has kind of felt like LN 230 when it was town