Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[seCret hYdra]

this is mena i'm talking to, right?

you know how agressive i can be and usually am in my pushing and scumreads
you've experienced it first hand on several occasions

can you honestly say if you read me v shirou back that you think that is coming from scum!me? In those conditions?

-seCret

[skitter30]

No this is skit

(I should have signed, sorry)

And yes i would like dats' opinion (just like i've asked him at least 2 other times this game)

I'l respond to your other post, give me a sec

[Bridgeburners]

No this is skit

(I should have signed, sorry)

And yes i would like dats' opinion (just like i've asked him at least 2 other times this game)

I'l respond to your other post, give me a sec

Fuuuuuck

[Bridgeburners]

i'm agreeing that 1 or 2 points *can* be read as scummy in isolation

particularly the fencesit on SS isn't great to say the least - luckily i'm in a unique position to know that actually came from town lol

but it's such a narrow trajectory you have to follow to come to a scum!hYdra conclusion that it's hard for me to believe it's coming from a town perspective
it literally takes away any and all of the points that (should) give you a town!hYdra conclusion

if you think something is scummy, i'd absolutely expect you to pressure it but you can't just cherry pick us here - i won't allow that

-seCret

I wasnt calling out gypyx for fencesitting on ss

I called out gypyx for:
- fencesitting on implo
- underminig my giving townpoints to ss (for similar reasons tjat they had been given to your slot)

(If you're gonna say my points are bad at least do me the courtesy of responding to the things i actually said, not an amalagam of two points shmushed together)

And given that i'm not in your hydra and dont have the perspective of *knowing* you're town, from my pov this is not helpful

Like from *my* pov why am i wrong?

Can you please elaborate why my reasons for scumreading gypyx here are bad? Cuz you didnt, like, address thar part

Or the part where you changed how you my read as i elaborated (i dont think his posting was that bad -> well ok they're bad but not scummy )

And, again, if you want to maintain a townread, dont post scummy things? Can you explain to me why the associative should outweigh scummy posting ? (Esp when you can be scum and unaligned with shirou - you're failing to incorporate rhat part while telling me the associatice is so strong that i should ignore anything scummg you've posted )

And for the last paragraph: i'm pressuring you here? And i'm not sure where you think i'm cherrypicking

~ skitter

[Bridgeburners]

vla until sunday

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: seCret hYdra

[Bridgeburners]

BB just scum then? They are both more then capable players who, as town, always see that we aren't scum here.

Peta + BB? Sure.

Also i forgot to say thia: how is me + peta a real thought????

~ skitter

[petapan]

that's a thought of someone who is not actually paying attention to what is going on

[petapan]

also peta, your reluctance to really engage with me this game is starting to ping me. I'd think that town!you wants me to see as town here, given our prior relation.

i don't know what to say to that, most of the time when you post it's deep nighttime for me, i'm more familiar with your scum game than your town game (and, like, you have not individually impressed upon me that this is totally different from your scumplay), and you've been MIA for over a week or whatever

what i am noticing you not engaging with is the giant post i made where i explained

why

all the stuff gypyx posted was bothering me and just potshotting the one-liners, and handwaving away skitter's reasoning in 2885. i know you can't answer for gypyx but you want engagement, you need to start actually responding to my reasoning

[seCret hYdra]

if you are all truly scumreading us despite my words here

go right ahead and flip us

i do not currently have the strength to combat multiple of you

i've said what i wanted to say in my (our) defense, i strongly believe it should be rather easy to come to a town!read on us *despite* what you call scummy posting

at least i'll be able to smack pooky in the dead thread

-seCret

[Datisi]

;

this is the name i haven't heard in a while

sssskitttttttttterrrrrrrr
i still don't want to vote iconeum here :///

[Datisi]

what, the above should say "a name" not "the name"? whatever

i'd be lying if i said i'm not getting worried by posts like 2909 though
it's not nearly enough to make me actually vote there but i'm not as 100% as i was

[Datisi]

ftr i still insist on seeing mena's opinion on that slot this gameday if/when possible

sigh
i don't know if scum!ico sees the wagon building on himself, and on implo, with even possible appetites for my yeet, and starts defending us and going from bb that he's currently a vanity on

like what is the play here

actually i just realized something that makes it less likely for ico to be scum here but outing it would not be beneficial

[petapan]

@peta well that's too fucking bad because i genuinely thought (and still think) that his read on sechyd was garbage!! like sure maybe i am wrong on it being a scum one but it was bad and you cannot change my mind. also like it's p obvious? if the read feels like it was bullshitted, then it would make him scum bc town generally does not do that. (note that while i still very much think it was garbage, maybe it wasn't bullshitted.)

okay?? little weirdly over the top here. my point is even if you viscerally disagreed with the read, an immediate "terrible take die scum" is, like, going 0 to 100 in 2 seconds and that is bothersome behavior because as i explained, having a read you don't like doesn't necessarily mean it comes from scum and i am less inclined to see infinity-scum making that read at all, you just sort of jumped to that conclusion

this is avoiding the point thati'm not sure what you're dong in this game anymore, you haven't been scumhunting, i don't actually know where you stand on anyone, you being disinterested and no longer super town looking like i thought on day 1 is concerning

reskimmed shirou/ico from d1 and i still really don't think that is s/s

the thing is, i would probably still agree with this, and i'm not going to argue seccy d is exactly the sk, but it is not strong enough reason for me to overlook a strong level of individual scumminess from gypyx's posting (and, uh, iconeum has not alleviated that feeling). i think that's aways going to override any associative read for me

[petapan]

A part of me actually really doesn't like skitter's take on sechyd; it's logically fine but I also felt Infinity's comment on opening the limpool and her response feels indignant in kind of a bad way. She has an amount of rhetorical sway and there are a lot of people like me and Penguin who have listed sechyd as some sort of ambiguous read (at least I described myself as wanting to vote him but not being able to or something like that, penguin listed them somewhere pretty low on his reads list, maybe others) to the point where she as scum could definitely feel like she'd be able to lead on them. Specifically I don't like the indignation in this post:

Because your SRs (peta and now sechyd) are on slots that I think would seem pushable to scum but aren't being scumread by other people

I think that's at least at little +scum

i mean ... don't you think i would push people who would, like, have a chance of getting flipped? what's the point of pushing the slot that literally everyone says isn't partnered with the flipped scum

and, like, do you think his posting this evening was good?

i'm actually gonna vote him, it's literally that bad VOTE: sechyd

Like. If you're

town

then what's the point of pushing the slot that "literally everyone says isn't partnered with the flipped scum"? Just because?

i mean we spent a significant part of the day going "yeah not teamed with shirou" and i certainly don't walk that read back as scum, i doubt she does either, the

point

of pushing that case is that the belief overrides the reasoning people have for them being town

[petapan]

if you are all truly scumreading us despite my words here

go right ahead and flip us

i do not currently have the strength to combat multiple of you

i've said what i wanted to say in my (our) defense, i strongly believe it should be rather easy to come to a town!read on us *despite* what you call scummy posting

at least i'll be able to smack pooky in the dead thread

-seCret

or you could just talk to me instead of doing AtE??

you: peta it is scummy that you are not engaging with me

me: well you haven't engaged with my actual reasoning for scumreading you

you: WELL FLIP ME IF YOU WANT

like

what

actually i just realized something that makes it less likely for ico to be scum here but outing it would not be beneficial

uh, ok

[petapan]

person pretending to be iconeum if i am wrong on you tell me where i am going wrong

[Infinity 324]

@datisi Ok, 2204 didn't feel quite as strong as "<<<<rand SK", but makes sense

What changed since this post:

room temperature take: ico going after shirou wasn't scummy and it's lowkey what i'd expect of him regardless of alignment

this is datisi being open to scum!sechyd??

howww

-seCret

It was datisi saying your push was NAI, now he says it's towny (disregarding associatives)

[Something_Smart]

Daaaaaaaaaats i need help with ico

Ok and?

What did you think he was going to say?

[SirCakez]

VOTE: isis

Fixed broken quote tags - SirCakez

I'm sorry sircakez this was supposed to be a joke where I was actually voting isis and intentionally messed up the quote tags >_>

Ah I see - I will undo the edit and adjust the VCs. In the future please don't make jokes like this because it borders on vote trickery.

[SirCakez]

Votecount 2.5

seCret hYdra (3) - Bridgeburners, Petapan, PenguinPower
Implosion (3) - Schiavetto, Infinity 324, Isis
Bridgeburners (1) - seCret hYdra
Isis (1) - Implosion

Not voting (3) - Something_Smart, Not_Mafia, Datisi

Bridgeburners is V/LA until Sunday, February 26.

(expired on 2021-03-04 21:52:00) remain until day end

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority.

[SirCakez]

Prodding Schiavetto.

[Isis]

VOTE: Azelf
UNVOTE:

[Isis]

Es decir, seNor pastelez tiene razon.

That is to say, Sir Cakez has a point.

[Isis]

VOTE: implosion but I wish I loved it