Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[VP Baltar]

Even if I maintained that the Italiano wagon had Scum, there’s nothing wrong or illogical with trying to sort certain slots I found Scummy outside of the wagon. This isn’t complicated.

No actually, what you are saying is unnecessarily complicated. If I strongly felt there was scum in 3-4 people, it's much better I spend my time hunting in that group. You have a 25-33% chance of hitting scum on a random vote if you're right. Effectively applying pressure there can only increase those odds. Hunting the entire game after your stated premise lowers your odds of hitting scum.

You can claim it is narrow thinking, but in reality it only makes sense if you actually believe what you are saying.

[VP Baltar]

Cookie claimed Doctor. If they’re Town, of course there’s a Scum motivation to diminishing the slot or trying to get it executed, so that they don’t block a potential NK.

I think we should yeet midway today tho...

[Andresvmb]

You’re wrong - I know the reasons why I pushed where I did, and I’ve been as transparent as I can about them. It’s not unnecessarily complicated.

[Green Crayons]

If cookie clarifies that that was a legit claim I’ll switch my vote

Otherwise I disagree with Andres that the claim itself is AI

[Green Crayons]

The claim itself meaning the timing and ATE

[Green Crayons]

Now that I thought about it for two more seconds I suppose there’s only one likely answer regardless of cookies alignment but whatev

[VP Baltar]

If cookie clarifies that that was a legit claim I’ll switch my vote

Otherwise I disagree with Andres that the claim itself is AI

I'd rather we don't try to verify the doc claim. I don't think we should yeet cookie today

[Datisi]

hm
it didn't really occur to me that cookie might be town fakeclaiming but if we don't have plans yeeting there today i feel like she should not be clarifying that

pedit: lol

[VP Baltar]

Meaning I think the scum is in Dunn, midway, maxwell, DGB, and Momrangal.

I'm fairly sure mom is town

[RLotus]

VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.

mind talking about this? earlier in the day you had him as a stronger townread, what's making you shift here?

I have this lingering feeling that maybe I shouldn't be letting him go so easily even though he does appear to be game solvy. Also, I still have the weird feeling that between you and him at least one of you knows each others alignment, because this lack of suspicion between you two doesn't seem natural.

I dunno, maybe it really is as easy as chopping off all the lurkers and we just win. I'm not totally comfortable with the gamestate nonetheless.

I really don't like the midway wagon though. My top town andre, our 2 PRs, and myself are all off the wagon. Makes it seem like there must be scum voting there.

[Andresvmb]

Still working with a townblock of VPB, Datisi, Andre, Cookie, GC. VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.

Meaning I think the scum is in Dunn, midway, maxwell, DGB, and Momrangal.

Considering Dunn, DGB, and Maxwell are on the midway wagon, I figure there is probably at least one scum on midway. I'd prefer someone like dunn, maxwell, or dgb currently.

VOTE: Dunn

I was happy with Duchess being town beforehand, so the claim kind of confirms it for me. I really wish he didn't claim tho.

I find this endlessly frustrating.

Please go look at the group of players that expressed interest in voting Dunn, or voted Dunn to begin the day. And then tell me why the argument you’re making makes sense for midway but not for Dunn too.

[Green Crayons]

I only skimmed the pst few pages so from memory:

Yeah I don’t think the claim absolves cookie and I’d still like to pressure an elim, but if we’re not going down that path anymore then okay

Baltar why were you focused on whether there was midway momentum?

Andres were you satisfied with Baltar’s explanation of his change on midway?

I’m good with a midway vote bc of the prior suspicions I articulated + his preemptive vote on me when I was working through them with Qs posed to him, but I saw someone (Andres?) say we’re E-1 already? So I’m claiming intent to hammer.

[RLotus]

Still working with a townblock of VPB, Datisi, Andre, Cookie, GC. VPB being the most likely place that I am wrong.

Meaning I think the scum is in Dunn, midway, maxwell, DGB, and Momrangal.

Considering Dunn, DGB, and Maxwell are on the midway wagon, I figure there is probably at least one scum on midway. I'd prefer someone like dunn, maxwell, or dgb currently.

VOTE: Dunn

I was happy with Duchess being town beforehand, so the claim kind of confirms it for me. I really wish he didn't claim tho.

I find this endlessly frustrating.

Please go look at the group of players that expressed interest in voting Dunn, or voted Dunn to begin the day. And then tell me why the argument you’re making makes sense for midway but not for Dunn too.

Because I think all the people that were voting Dunn are town.

[Andresvmb]

I really don't like the midway wagon though. My top town andre, our 2 PRs, and myself are all off the wagon. Makes it seem like there must be scum voting there.

Don’t get me wrong though, this makes a tremendous amount of sense to me.

[Andresvmb]

Andres were you satisfied with Baltar’s explanation of his change on midway?

I’m not satisfied with anything VPB is posting I think they’re Scum.

[Andresvmb]

I agree with this
VOTE: Dunn

Elements/DGB voted for Dunn. They might not be voting there now. But they voted for them when they were getting run up. And maxwell also expressed comfort with executing there.

[Green Crayons]

Lots of people comfortable with voting Dunn and yet his wagon collapsed

[Andresvmb]

I could vote Dunn since his vote on GC was that bad, could still see it coming from town, but would be shocked, shocked if {Dunn, midway, mom} contains 0 scum

Here.

[Andresvmb]

Lots of people comfortable with voting Dunn and yet his wagon collapsed

And? The wagon on you collapsed too. That in a vacuum says exactly 0.

[Andresvmb]

I just randomly bumped the topic while trying to scroll. Apologies.

[RLotus]

VPB + Datisi does seem to be the constant on like virtually every significant wagon

[Datisi]

yes

what does that tell you

[RLotus]

yes

what does that tell you

That town is remarkably cooperative or that one of you isn't that strong in their own opinions.

[VP Baltar]

Baltar why were you focused on whether there was midway momentum?

Because it was a clear overstatement to bolster a point.

[VP Baltar]

what makes you think scum takes charge / encourages people to vote as opposed to just lurking?

Because scum might fell self-conscious about lurking. I know that you and VPB are generally quite active, so I imagine that it would be hard to lurk as scum, especially in a good position.

This makes no sense. Lurking as scum is the easiest thing in the world to do.

I can and do strategically avoid threads as scum. There is no way as scum I would encourage life into a stagnant gamestate. There's no tangible benefit beyond possibly being able to say LAMIST, and there are huge potential downsides if people get involved and sentiments shift.