Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: RLotus

[RLotus]

meh

[Andresvmb]

Anyone who implied that GC was town by virtue of his role is suspect.

Anyone in the neighborhood who was not wary of GC is suspect.

This is more important.

VOTE: Dunnstral

And like HOW does one square these two thoughts?! Because I can’t.

[RLotus]

It's not like GC made a huge effort to get Dunn killed. Yeah he voted on him at the beginning of day 2 which is usually a pretty safe time to bus. But after that?

I don't get why you are eliminating the possibility of bussing going on.

[RLotus]

I think the Scum came out with a plan to stop pushing the obvious Town, and try to get us to split onto say a less obvious Town player. Because RLotus probably knows that they’re not winning a 1v1 with Datisi after the GC flip. Push came to shove, I would firmly expect RLotus to get executed there. So they probably have realized they need to build a case against a player with a smaller presence.

What DGB is doing is HORRIFIC in my eyes.

If I'm scum my partner 100% should be bussing me

[Andresvmb]

We’re not executing Dunn. Over my dead body. The more you argue for it, the more it convinces me you’re Scum.

[RLotus]

We’re not executing Dunn. Over my dead body. The more you argue for it, the more it convinces me you’re Scum.

I am trying to tell you to stop locking Dunn town for tomorrow/the next day.

You can think I'm scum all you want, I am the best kill for today either way

[Andresvmb]

If anybody that is Town in this game executes Dunn, I will tear them a new one in the post-game. That is like glass to be broken in case of emergency only. It’s where a bunch of players that lead nowhere decided to consolidate on. It’s one of the players Green Crayons most consistently pushed as Scum. They have for the most part refused to vote Town (midwaybear being the notable exception), and have consistently come out with good views actually. And the fact that they were wrong about midwaybear probably confirms that they’re not Informed. If they’re avoiding all of the Town executions for a lot of Town cred later, they probably avoid that one too.

I will seriously harshly judge anyone voting there as Town.

[Andresvmb]

Now, I am totally open to changing my mind if I’m in ELo and it’s like {Me, VPB, Dunn} or something crazy like that (which trust me, is not happening). But otherwise? Last place I’m interested in looking today.

[Momrangal]

Who's eliminating dunnstral today?

Dunnstral was locktown even before GC flip

[Andresvmb]

Who's eliminating dunnstral today?

Dunnstral was locktown even before GC flip

DGB is voting there right now.

[VP Baltar]

meh

I thought you were fine with being yeeted today?

[RLotus]

meh

I thought you were fine with being yeeted today?

That was in response to what andre was saying about dunn

[Datisi]

Anyone who implied that GC was town by virtue of his role is suspect.

Anyone in the neighborhood who was not wary of GC is suspect.

This is more important.

did my recap of the hood events influence this in any way?

[DrippingGoofball]

Yes. It seems like he barely mentioned Dunnstral.

Dunn may be deepscum.

[Datisi]

thinking back to that part of the game, not sure that's actually scum!indicative for dunn. iirc, green was pretty open about wanting to yeet dunn in the main thread, and i was tunnelled on dunn myself for a good part of day 2.

do you have thoughts what barely-mentioning-in-hood means for lotus/mom?

[Datisi]

i started looking at baltar's colored vcs and realized that it tells me almost nothing without the context around the votes, and that i do not have the energy to go through that right now. this is like, a note to myself to do that when i wake up tomorrow. don't speedyeet anyone while i'm gone k thx.

[DrippingGoofball]

thinking back to that part of the game, not sure that's actually scum!indicative for dunn. iirc, green was pretty open about wanting to yeet dunn in the main thread, and i was tunnelled on dunn myself for a good part of day 2.

do you have thoughts what barely-mentioning-in-hood means for lotus/mom?

They could be scum, too.

I can see mom suspending disbelief that the neghborizer could be scum.

[Dunnstral]

Accusing me of being "deepscum" this game is kind of funny

DGB, you should go back to 3265 and start from there.

Also saying gc barely tried to get me killed is demonstrably false? He pushed me for all of early day 2 and voted me to l-1 without announcing it

[Dunnstral]

thinking Andres and Dunn

tbd on (Baltar, Datisi). Maybe one of them. I separately had problems with Datisi's midway push, which I think I've resolved after having reviewed twice now & discussed in neighborhood iwth Datisi and mom; but it still has lowered my estimation of him. i need to read rather than skim Lotus's case.

If not (Baltar, Datisi), maybe maxwell but his claim might clear him.

I think Lotus, DBG, mom are town.

UNVOTE:

Vote is still on GC in spirit. I want to hear from Lotus and Dunn before we end this day.

I'm still fine with a GC vote

Distancy vibes, my best guess is Dunn, I really wouldn't lock him town at the very least

How about you quote the parts where:

-He votes me to l-1
-I vote him to l-2 while andres is calling for other people to join the wagon

3030 is me replying to someone who asked
2899 is what he said while already going down, and is wifom

[Dunnstral]

It's weird that rtlotus and dgb casually mentioned that they both have each other as scum or probable scum but only have eyes for me right now

[VP Baltar]

It's weird that rtlotus and dgb casually mentioned that they both have each other as scum or probable scum but only have eyes for me right now

Probably worth going back to see where each was on the others' scum list in recent days.

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: green crayon

e-2

I don't like his push on me today

something something "and at this point i think a flip either way would be informative" 1967

why would Baltar need to know that there was a neighborizer? what is even your thought process.

I saw Baltar's post and thought either he was just shooting the breeze, and it was worth putting out a crumb, or maybe similar to a game i just played (I believe with Baltar) where there were multiple folks of the same role (here, neighborizers) and he was trying to see if there was a similar situation

Argh.

UNVOTE:

This game is horrible.

While all the above discussion is happening, rtlotus is nowhere around.

I had the same thought as you guys about BM, that he is probably town if Italiano flips town.

The fact that the Italiano wagon hasn't built up despite the fact that it has been talked about ad nauseum might be an indicator that I'm on the right track. Alternatively, it could just be a product of the stalled gamestate.

i mean most of the talk is about how he's town, so would you really expect a wagon to build regardless of his alignment?

After reading back through that interaction though, this quote makes me not want to write off BM/Momrangal just yet. It seems like he thought Italiano was getting a lot of townreads, so if he is scum it makes sense that he would hard defend Italiano there.

This is what he posts when he gets back, it has nothing to do with anything that has happened.

Lotus, you around?

As in, could I get your take on the claim? You said andres is obvtown. What's your take on the neighborizer stuff? You agree with andres that GC is possibly scum coming off that? Different take?

Lotus, you around?

As in, could I get your take on the claim? You said andres is obvtown. What's your take on the neighborizer stuff? You agree with andres that GC is possibly scum coming off that? Different take?

Well the claim is most likely real unless Datisi is his partner. It is possible that he is a scum neighborizer, but I was reading him town outside of his claim, so I'm fine with the claim.

I assumed the reason he didn't want to out who he neighborized was because he didn't want Datisi to die in the night and I don't really see a reason he would do that as scum, unless he's not really a neighborizer. When he was at e-2 and was being askeed to claim who he neighborized he wasn't cooperating, as if his goal isn't necessarily to survive. Also, neighborizer would be a foolish fakeclaim.

What do you think of Andres out of that exchange?

What do you think of Andres out of that exchange?

It's a natural reaction to be suspicious of a neighborizer claim that won't claim who they neighborized, he's fine.

It takes him being prodded about it to talk about it at all.

Is thinking Datisi would die if they were TARGETED by a neighborizor a real thought here? Also he's defending GC pretty hard here.

VOTE: Rtlotus

[Dunnstral]

And then instead of RTlotus reevaluating his reads, he keeps the same reads but starts calling it bussing

[VP Baltar]

Dunn coming in hot. I'm on board