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[Andresvmb]

you dont have a rolecop ability

Then Insidious is always Scum. And they’re signaling to Pooky that they know they’re the Traitor.

if i was traitor i wouldve just hammered koba lolol

stop being bad

Sure Pooky I’m “bad” again. Is that all you got? Or do you actually have ideas?

[Andresvmb]

never wavered from my townread for long and never advocated an andante elim

This is clearly a lie I don’t care what you say.

Like never advocating for an Andante execution is just slimy wording. It’s not taking any ownership over your actual words. You clearly implied they could be Scum, questioned how some of their posts could ever be made from a Town mindset, but yeah maybe you never voted there so you never strictly advocated for their execution. Like give me a break.

[Andresvmb]

Sure Pooky I’m “bad” again. Is that all you got? Or do you actually have ideas?

im just informing you that your belief is obviously wrong for obvious reason

And what’s that obvious reason?

[Andresvmb]

Sure Pooky I’m “bad” again. Is that all you got? Or do you actually have ideas?

im just informing you that your belief is obviously wrong for obvious reason

And what’s that obvious reason?

Use your words. Elaborate. Explain where we’re going wrong. Who the Scum are.

[Andresvmb]

I did explain in a very clear manner

i don't know who the scum are

i said i needed time to think about the mech

So you know nothing. So outside of you just plainly defending yourself, how am I bad?

[Andresvmb]

You’ve also used the “Scum slip” attack twice now. Once on Andante, and now on Asteria.

Look, it’s time to call bullshit. I will sheep VFP and execute amongst {Anya, Insidious}.

[Andresvmb]

However, to you me and Asteria should be scum, so why does it matter here if I believe you?

Asteria could have theoretically gotten lucky about you being Vanilla Town. Just a thought.

[Andresvmb]

I need to work. I’ll be back in some hours. Have fun in the mean time.

[Andresvmb]

So you know nothing. So outside of you just plainly defending yourself, how am I bad?

i said your solve makes no sense cuz i wouldve just hammered koba

In ELo maybe. Don’t you want to make sure you don’t look suspicious as hell otherwise? Like what?

[Andresvmb]

Pooky I have you as Null it would be great if you could help out here.

[Andresvmb]

Haha okay this game is absurd.

I’m Vanilla Town.

[Andresvmb]

And that use of the Detective Role is SO BAD.

[Andresvmb]

1-Shot and you have tripled clear a player now?

[Andresvmb]

Who uses a 1-Shot Detective Night one? What a joke this game.

[Andresvmb]

if we're in the world where scum have 2 guns, then clidd-scum just threw the game cuz we can just elim all the gun claimers and win the game.

How is this even remotely accurate?

[Andresvmb]

if we're in the world where scum have 2 guns, then clidd-scum just threw the game cuz we can just elim all the gun claimers and win the game.

How is this even remotely accurate?

We have 2 executions left and 4 gun claims left alive, one of which (Koba) is not being allowed to self-resolve just yet for some reason. After all the claims, some slots clearly did not act like there were too many gun claims, which is just bizarre.

[Andresvmb]

if we're in the world where scum have 2 guns, then clidd-scum just threw the game cuz we can just elim all the gun claimers and win the game.

How is this even remotely accurate?

I made a chart dude

if scum have 2 guns, then three of the gun claimers are lying scum and we can win by elimming all the gun claimers

Unless one of the Scum is a Traitor.

[Andresvmb]

Okay this game has turned into a shitshow.

@VFP I’ll just literally vote whatever you vote. I think Insidious is playing a bit sheepishly now because they don’t want to eat rope and that’s probably Scum but what do I know.

[Andresvmb]

Also the Scum are not this monumentally bad. There’s a plan here. I think the idea is that all the PRs die in consecutive nights with the claimed guns and we’re left with purely Vanilla claims at the end. Or something. I’m not sure, the whole thing seems half-assed hahaha

[Andresvmb]

I mean we know there have to be at least 2 scum in the 4 gun claims right? Unless we are in a 0 gun scum world, in which case LOL GOOD TROLL DATISI

Yeah so we absolutely and positively vote amongst the claims. Can somebody look at Crayons’ wagon and tell me whether 2 of the claimed guns were on it?

[Andresvmb]

Asteria [5]: DkKoba, Salsabil Faria, Andresvmb, InsidiousLemons, Anya

Asteria is the least likely to be Scum. Three of the Gun claims are on this wagon.

[Andresvmb]

2 of which are the one-shots. Let’s just randomly execute everyone else hahaha

[Andresvmb]

Green Crayons [5]: PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP, Robert M Hunter, Andante, T3

And this wagon looks pretty wholesome.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: DkKoba

[Andresvmb]

Note that you couldn’t convince Salsa to vote Crayons when they were approaching the precipice. I would go, what, DkKoba into clidd and if clidd flips Town, Insidious.

[Andresvmb]

Note that you couldn’t convince Salsa to vote Crayons when they were approaching the precipice. I would go, what, DkKoba into clidd and if clidd flips Town, Insidious.

If Koba flips Town I’ll have a laugh. One of these claims today is clearly garbage. This confluence of claims that have results on the now super cleared Pooky is absurd.

[Andresvmb]

Note that you couldn’t convince Salsa to vote Crayons when they were approaching the precipice. I would go, what, DkKoba into clidd and if clidd flips Town, Insidious.

you probably lose with that :/

You must see that you need to die. Crayons could not get over the edge with a completely wholesome wagon and none of the gun claims.

[Andresvmb]

bc the wagon dissipated as soon as I claimed??

You would have died as Crayons. You never even replace into the game.

[Andresvmb]

Note that you couldn’t convince Salsa to vote Crayons when they were approaching the precipice. I would go, what, DkKoba into clidd and if clidd flips Town, Insidious.

you probably lose with that :/

You must see that you need to die. Crayons could not get over the edge with a completely wholesome wagon and none of the gun claims.

who was gonna push the wagon over?

If you’re Town? Any of the Scum that are gun claims that weren’t on you, placing you at E-1 and waiting for anybody who wants to end the day to hammer. Like me, who wasn’t on the wagon and had signaled that I had abandoned my reticence to voting your slot.

[Andresvmb]

Alright Pooky I decided I’m not going to stand in the way of an execution of the Green Crayons slot. I think STD is more likely to flip Scum, but I can see your points.

Here.

[Andresvmb]

Like there’s 1 gun claim that’s Scum, that’s guaranteed. Whoever that is votes there and I hammer. And we execute Town. No need to shop for an alternative or try to force a shift back onto Dragons (who was clearly run up by a lot of Town).

[Andresvmb]

is that a scumclaim?

What are you talking about?

[Andresvmb]

Sure.

[Andresvmb]

My point is fairly obvious - how do you survive that end of day as Town? Yes, I have seen Scum force a wagon to move from one Town to the next to get all kinds of funny outcomes the next day, but that had already happened. Dragons had already been run up to E-1. Why not just push you through there? Particularly with the funny way you went about claiming?

[Andresvmb]

you know i dont like to claim

So? There was a wagon composed of 3 Confirmed Town and two slots checked for Vanilla Town in some fashion (or without a gun) sitting on you. How do you not just die there?

[Andresvmb]

There’s clearly Scum with TMI or real Town checks on Pooky / VFP. Agree? So that wagon is almost entirely wholesome. And you escape execution and there’s a shopping of alternatives happening by all of the gun claims. C’mon now.

[Andresvmb]

I really hope you're a town.

VOTE: Save The Dragons

By seeing

osuka

vs

VFP

interaction, I'm not sure if they are TvT.

VFP

is still in my sus-list because of their development arroun the

Save The Dragons

wagon (refer: 1838). I'm not liking

osuka

's confbiasing with townreading

Andresvmb

and for that scumreading

Asteria

. But I don't want to touch these slots today. I'll choose from these people in this order today:

PookyTheMagicalBear

>

VFP

>

Anya

>

T3

, which also seems not possible for

PookyTheMagicalBear

and

T3

. Left:

VFP

>

Anya

.

VOTE: VFP

I don't want to touch

Green Crayons

only because he is in my null-list, and I have scummier options. It's getting confusing.

Friendly reminder Crayons is E-2 and he feels like scum folding under pressure to me

I disagree. This isn't the right elim today. They were clearly unable to keep up and especially since we'll be getting a replacement soon to hopefully read better.

And for Insidious, some distancing first:

i know. i moreso meant for voting pattern analysis purposes. we let him play too hands-off, though i recognize that was due to personal life circumstances to some extent. a shame he had to replace out. it will take some convincing from the replacement for me to think the slot is town, but unfortunately it doesn't seem like there will be much time for that conversation.

And then this:

dude honestly if everyone else wants to do rmh i guess i could but i still maintain that execing a claimed tracker d1 is stupid

agree with this sentiment

All of this after GC is driven to E-1. Scum is either defending your slot, or distancing and looking for an alternative. This much is evident to me.

[Andresvmb]

Like you’re telling me all of the gun claims alive refused to execute you or decided not to vote you when you were Town and almost exclusively wagoned by other Town? Particularly after there was massive overlap with a Dragons wagon? C’mon now I’m not stupid there’s something fishy here.

[Andresvmb]

All of this after GC is driven to E-1.

Correction: E-2.

[Andresvmb]

I know the sentiment, I try to be off as many town wagons as I can be as scum

The point is 2 Scum at that stage at the very least were in fact off. Only one has to vote you and you’re almost surely doomed. And if Dragons is flipped after being almost exclusively wagoned by Town D1, the overlap would have caused massive confusion. But instead, you’re saved, a wagon is started on VFP that then moves onto Dragons and Dragons dies. And you’re telling me I’m supposed to believe you’re the Towniest of the claims?

[Andresvmb]

Like you’re telling me all of the gun claims alive refused to execute you or decided not to vote you when you were Town and almost exclusively wagoned by other Town? Particularly after there was massive overlap with a Dragons wagon? C’mon now I’m not stupid there’s something fishy here.

the wagon. literally. dissipated. right. after. I. claimed.

This all happened with Crayons in the game. This has nothing to do with you. Your prior slot would have been pushed closer to the brink. That’s what I’m saying.

[Andresvmb]

vote count 1.27

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-04-21 10:15:00).

execution

Green Crayons [5]:

PookyTheMagicalBear, VFP, Robert M Hunter, Andante, T3

PookyTheMagicalBear [2]:

InsidiousLemons, osuka

Asteria [1]:

Anya

Andresvmb [1]:

Save The Dragons

Save The Dragons [1]:

Andresvmb

VFP [1]:

Salsabil Faria

not voting [2]:

Green Crayons, Asteria

mod notes

~ insidiouslemons v/la most of today and on the 21st

flavour

DkKoba replaces Green Crayons. deadline is in 36 hours.

vc in like... 10 minutes. i need a coffee.

lemons is v/la during this time btw

They posted. I just quoted them.

[Andresvmb]

what if i claim gunsmith

what the actual fuck? are we really just going to let this slide?

and the point about GC replacing sitewide is a bald-faced lie and you clearly know it. all it takes is a cursory glance at his post history.

i know what i've said about not wanting to elim claimed PRs D1 but this is fucking unbelievable.

i've been on the fence about STD -- posts like 1650 feel like AtE more than genuine input, and their defense of their reactionary voting by pointing out that they hadn't voted me or VFP (?) is a very weak one. but they still don't feel like the best D1 exec to me, and this flash wagon on them reeks of scum opportunism.

VOTE: DkKoba

And after some votes move away from Koba, we get this meaningless vote from Insidious.

Look we should really find out what the hell happened there at the end of D1. That’s my take.

[Andresvmb]

scum aren't infallible and can be too scared to make power moves like that

C’mon now it’s not even a power move. It would have been a simple vote that could have been disguised ages ago. Insidious could have put it down (they had already hinted they could vote you, which they did once the wagon dissipated), or one of Salsa/Asteria could have faked a reason to bore Crayons when it started gathering momentum. I don’t buy this explanation for a second.

[Andresvmb]

bore Crayons

*vote Crayons.

[Andresvmb]

im legacy pinning andres as my dying scumread to get outside of gun claims.

You are not serious.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Crayons

like I think at this point Crayons has higher scum equity than STD.

I can see this as Crayons stuck in the awkward place where he doesn't have a whole lot of ways to defend his scum buddy but he doesn't want to bus because he thinks STD can still talk his way out of it.

but I can also see Crayons are being WKnighty and not wanting to get his hands dirty in an STD!Town world.

So on the off chance STD is town which I think is kind of unlikely I can still see GCray getting the rope treatment today

This is the first vote for Crayons. Easily one of the gun claims could have agreed, sheeped Pooky, and voted Crayons as the STD wagon is collapsing. Not a single one of you did.

[Andresvmb]

vfp really doesn't feel like a terrible choice. they have a scum read on greencrayons for, as far as i can tell, merely disagreeing with them re: humour being a problem. they distanced themself from the STD wagon for very shoddy reasons in 1577 as soon as people started talking about the likelihood of scum being on it, and have been doing a whole lot of nothing for... pages and pages now.

Like literally any one of you could have done it. So much opportunity to jump onto Crayons and get it done! Salsa was fighting it, and Insidious was timid about it.

[Andresvmb]

I would argue the Scum got greedy. They wanted an all-Town execution of Town. And they almost got it, until it shifted onto GC, and then you see every single one of the gun claims acts timid, suggests an alternative, or defends GC. Why?! It makes no sense.

[Andresvmb]

Not if GC is Town at least. Salsa insists on STD then, realizing their mistake. Insidious is indirectly defending Crayons in 1782. And Asteria actively defends Crayons when they come back later that same day around the 1900s.

[Andresvmb]

You’re telling me the entire Scum Team actively defended a Town from a wagon almost surely contained by all Town that had shifted from a confirmed Town player? I don’t believe it hahaha I just don’t it’s ridiculous.

[Andresvmb]

whats the point if no one is listening.

You’re calling me Scum for being skeptical about the movement of the votes at the end of D1. No one should be listening to you on that.

[Andresvmb]

I’m VLA until tomorrow here.

[Andresvmb]

I was about to post and got prodded. Nice.

[Andresvmb]

Look at that beautiful distribution amongst the guns.

I have a theory that the Scum are waiting on whoever isn’t voting to consolidate, instead of giving us clues as to where we should go. Annoying.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: clidd

I want to see an execution at this point. I’m a bit tired of all the speculation. It’s time we push something through.

[Andresvmb]

Regardless, I believe that Asteria is the right call, although there is a political argument that the slot should be left alive (that I'm not a fan, as I don't think that she'll die).

It’s not a political argument. It’s a mechanical one.

Btw, if Asteria flips Town, I’m going to hard push this slot to be executed immediately.

[Andresvmb]

I’ll get back to this game tomorrow. Sorry guys.

[Andresvmb]

Also, rationally I want to execute clidd. Insidious’ hammer is terrible, but they seemed to be efforting. What I’m really trying to figure out is why did the Town gun think that a wagon that would theoretically contain the rest of the guns made sense as a wagon yesterday. Like that was truly idiotic.

[Andresvmb]

I find it so annoying that my voice in these discussions is just blatantly ignored. I said clearly that Asteria was the least likely to be Scum. What do we do? Execute there. Because, why not?!

[Andresvmb]

Anyway I really can’t stick around.

[Andresvmb]

Please don’t do anything dumb. I also see that Koba has a vote down for Insidious. At this stage there’s a Scum between the two but what else is new. The good thing is that one choice clears two Scum. And then we have to find the last one. Who is it? I really have no fucking idea.

[Andresvmb]

Okay, I finally have a few days to relax, do some light work, and focus. I’ll be back after eating since I’m a bit hungover haha but yeah, I’ll get into this.

[Andresvmb]

Okay the only choice that needs to be made here is between Green Crayons/Koba and Insidious. So I’ll ISO both slots and come back with some thoughts.

[Andresvmb]

@Insidious, you need to vote. Trying to avoid doing so is a terrible look.

[Andresvmb]

andres, isn't clidd + anya a possible scum team? why are you discarding clidd scum?

I’m not discarding clidd here. But there’s a cross-vote. Let’s get that one right first.

[Andresvmb]

andres, isn't clidd + anya a possible scum team? why are you discarding clidd scum?

I’m not discarding clidd here. But there’s a cross-vote. Let’s get that one right first.

If anything the Team would be clidd + Insidious + Anya. There’s votes from clidd + Anya on Koba who has a vote on Insidious. Which means there’s always a Scum on Koba / Insidious, and we might be getting tremendous pressure to vote incorrectly. I do have to say, I find it curious that the entire Team would reveal themselves in this way. Of course, voting amongst the guns would have always forced the execution of the other ones, so we were going to end up with the remaining VT at the end anyway provided we get this right.

So from my perspective, it’s what, clidd + Anya + Insidious or osuka + Koba + clidd. Actually, in almost every scenario, clidd is Scum. So we should execute Insidious here. This is with the assumption that there are 2 Scum amongst the guns. If there’s 2 Town amongst the guns I think this game is lost though.

[Andresvmb]

VFP I think is always Town.

[Andresvmb]

VFP I think is always Town.

I mean the Non-Consecutive Neapolitan who is confirmed had them as Vanilla Town. So yes.

[Andresvmb]

There’s a universe where Koba is bussing Insidious but I don’t see it. I doubt Koba narrows down the choice in this way without some theater or letting the VTs indicate where they’re leaning before voting as Scum.

[Andresvmb]

I mean it’s weird that Insidious claims to want to vote clidd while being voted by Koba. That makes no sense to me. If Koba is Scum, they definitely vote for the 1 Town amongst the guns. What’s the one weird scenario where this is not happening - If Koba is Scum and Insidious is Traitor or something right, and Insidious knows Koba is Scum so doesn’t want to vote there, but nobody can backtrack now because the vote has been out for too long?

[Andresvmb]

Yeah I’ve re-read enough. I think clidd is always Scum.

So here goes nothing.

VOTE: InsidiousLemons

[Andresvmb]

If this is wrong I’m sorry. I really do believe clidd is openly Scummy, I do think Anya is the most likely of the VTs to be Scum, and I absolutely don’t want to be voting with them two.

[Andresvmb]

If Koba is Scum, they definitely vote for the 1 Town amongst the guns. What’s the one weird scenario where this is not happening - If Koba is Scum and Insidious is Traitor or something right, and Insidious knows Koba is Scum so doesn’t want to vote there, but nobody can backtrack now because the vote has been out for too long?

either:

1) this fringe scenario is the reality of the situation = scum!koba and scum!lemons, or
2) scum!koba is voting town!lemons, or
3) koba is the one town in the gun pool

genuinely, based on your rereading -- which of these scenarios do you think is most likely?

I think that the fact that you openly muse about how Koba might not get hammered means that you’re more likely to just be Scum, but we’ll see. I read as much of the game as I could before putting my vote down and it’s my best guess as to what I think is happening. I think you’ll have a hard time arguing I’m Scum.

[Andresvmb]

Meh I though Anya was Scum, definitely got some Scum pings from osuka, and wanted Koba dead. The execution of Asteria was ridiculous.

[Andresvmb]

Anya and Insidious seemed so damn coordinated this game, I don’t know that I feel bad about that vote.

[Andresvmb]

I pointed to the fact that Crayons’ wagon should have meant they needed to die, and nobody listened. I wanted to save Asteria, and nobody listened. At some stage, I can’t be to blame for shit like this.

[Andresvmb]

Honestly fuck this game haha the mechanics just made it unplayable from my end. I’m like really frustrated. It stopped us from focusing on play and made me not want to read at times. Frankly I’m sorry that my ability to pick out Town this game was so poor.