I’m rethinking my reads now. I don’t like bugs’ progression on me if they really believed in their read on you. @bugs if I’m scum who is my buddy then?
I don’t believe you think I can be aligned with either Vanders or mo so I’m kind’ve of sus on that now.
I'm also interested in why bug and I "mechanically" can't both be town.
It’s based on setup spec, unless like I’ve already stated, someone has been brilliantly fooling me.
You, bugs, Robert, Mo are all claiming to be in hoods and possibly sr your neighbors. There are 4 hoods, two pure - all town, two impure - town + maf. We know you and bugs are neighbors and both Robert and Mo have also claimed this and they are both claiming to be possibly sr their neighbor. Now they haven’t confirmed it’s with each other so if that not in fact the case, then at least half my theory is wrong.
But it stands to reason in this kind of setup, that the two hoods,where neighbors sr the other are far more likely to be the impure hoods than the ones where both neighbors either tr each other or at the least don’t sr the other.
Would you agree with this or not?
i retract my scumread on my neighbor xD
just to clarify, did so a while back
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In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
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In post 220, GrandpaMo wrote:i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD
No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.
fair enough. still could have checked if i was new tho!
Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance
u rlly did smh im still mad its okie tho<3
I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?
I'd 100% think that. you have no idea the kinds of accusations people have been throwing at me lately in games, it's usually how I end up claiming so fast most games :/
In post 220, GrandpaMo wrote:i thought this was more scummy then the question. is just feels like scum tryna figure out neighbors but confused because i called u my scum buddy and vander got suprsied because they know that andante isnt scum wit them xD
No, I was under the impression you were new and being honest about andante's claim and what you thought of it.
I thought this was very scummy so was aiming to investigate it further.
Grandpa and I have memed back in forth in another game, but when I'm catching up, I'm in dead serious mode so yeah :/ I ruined a good chance
I understand being serious when catching up, but was grandpa's comment really something that, as town, you would think "oh no, this is something I need to correct"?
i am actually going to give vander townpings for this. this is actually towny because i had the same thought about andante and i genuinely did expect a better reaction from andante especially considering it was me LOL. and i was even gonna point out "bad rxn" but i gave andante another chance without the pressure. but having that same intuitive thought as me eh i can see why vander is in a town mindset
In post 282, Andante wrote:I've told you. I hate any number of votes on me always. it's the exact same thing... I was caught off guard for grandpa
caught offgaurd by me? smh! shame on you.
also i agree with this. this needs more pressure
VOTE: loki
Why would anyone think that a player that got rapid fire votes to e - 2 in a 9 player game “needed more pressure”? And you based your vote on me because you liked Andante’s answer which has what to do with me anyway?
I don’t believe your reason for voting me here and yes, that was the most suspicious vote on me. Vanders putting me to e - 2 is second.
Look at this pattern. You and Vanders are pushing/voting the same slots: me/Andante/bugs. That can’t be a total coincidence.
this literally implies that you scumread me because u were at e-2 at the time of me voting u. am i misunderstanding sum?
Yes. Because I never said that. I said you saying my slot needed pressure as the only reason you gave for voting me was bad because I had been very recently put at e - 2. Therefore it didn’t make sense.[/quote]
okay i see now how u could have meant that. i might have just misunderstood u. i apologize. because i was gonna say u were like clearly blantly lying if u were saying that u were still e-2 at that time and it just seemed like u were pushing me for it, if that makes sense.
In post 693, Loki Dokie wrote:Why would anyone say that a slot that had very recently put at e - 2 needed more pressure?
And that was your sole reason for voting me in a post you made about Andante, which was hella weird.
i never even noticed the prior votes, i only came a short few, skipped the beginning 5 pages, had an interaction wit andante , then went off to u just to see wassup wit u.
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In post 705, Vanderscamp wrote:Ugh, sorry for the big quote, the second time I was only responding to the most recent one.
I’ll respond here instead. I don’t believe that Andante or Hopkirk are ever scum here and Flow seems pretty damn townie. As for GB, he hasn’t done anything but his concern about possibly outing fn, isn’t currently concerning me.
so u think 2 scum is in vanders, me, you, robert, nd bugs?
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just looked back at this. what in the fuck makes u think that woah.
I'm not going into details on obscure reads. remember, FN tells someone who they are. Maybe it hasn't been used maybe it has, but unless it's something bugs does, I really don't care
In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
Still impossible for you guys to be scum partners?
In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
Still impossible for you guys to be scum partners?
im still confused at what u tryna say
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In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
Still impossible for you guys to be scum partners?
im still confused at what u tryna say
You've been saying often that you and bugspray are not realistic scum partners because of your vote on them.
In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
Still impossible for you guys to be scum partners?
im still confused at what u tryna say
You've been saying often that you and bugspray are not realistic scum partners because of your vote on them.
Is this still the case?
again, did u read what i said?
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In post 721, Andante wrote:oh hey!! bugspray is E-1!!! I didn't intend to do that lol but yeah, I'm down with a bugs yeet, if bugs is FN someone may wanna speak up
Bugs and Vanders are claimed neighbors so that isn’t possible and whomever is fn should obviously not claim.
ill unvote for now, just in case someone is gonna hammer
UNVOTE: bugs
Still impossible for you guys to be scum partners?
im still confused at what u tryna say
You've been saying often that you and bugspray are not realistic scum partners because of your vote on them.
Is this still the case?
again, did u read what i said?
i might have missed what u said
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In post 332, GrandpaMo wrote:LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???
This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this
LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.
If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip
think bout it... if i was in a hotbox wit bugs earlier on how everyone was saying i was paired wit bugs... why am i voting them rn to get the pressure onto me tmr and if yall vote me tmr, the game ends in your perspective. why would i do this as mafia. again, vote logic contradicts here.
In post 332, GrandpaMo wrote:LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???
This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this
LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.
If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip
My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.
Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners
there is no towncred given because we aren't alligned. if vander is saying it will flip scum and you flip scum >>> votes/pressure on me. if you flip town >>> im still scum by other means of interaction with andante and loki. no reason for vander to play it out like that as scum.
In post 545, GrandpaMo wrote:not outing who just yet. i will see where the current pace of the game is going at till i make that choice
How can we take seriously anything you’ve said so far in this game? First you claim Andante is your neighbor who confessed to being scum, then the weird bugs’ fake fn CC thing and now this. You have done so much gambiting so far in this game, I honestly can’t tell when or what your saying is on the level or not.
ok this post actually pisses me off because you are literally taking everything out of context a it feels like you havent read anything. i will say this again... the andante thing was my rvs enterance. andante should know this.,.. andante never had a problem with it right after i explained what happened. pls look at post 186-189 and 191. me in 191 saying hi to andante. why would i do this if there is a neighbor chat SUPPOSEDLY with them. then look at the interaction wit me and anadnte right after. plus you never bring this convo up until later when the bugs thing happened. look at 206 - 224. nothing wrong here. andante even TOWNREAD me BTW! there hasn't been any hoppity hop. i am not just gonna act anti town for any reason and throw the game by not outting yk the partner when is necessary but we can't even do that because it outs the FN!
In post 332, GrandpaMo wrote:LOL WTF @bugs WHY DID U SAY U WANT TO CC FRIENDLY NEIGHBOR LMAO. WRONG CHAT???
This. It's a slip from Grandpa right?? or what?? like, bugs never said in here they were gonna cc friendly, sooo I wanna get to the bottom of this
LOL. Okay calm down calm down. Let me explain now; I just wanted to see pressure/ react test on bugs. Ik Ik it was obviously fake.
If we flip bugspray and he is scum this is a mandatory flip
My pronouns are they/them and if you were playing the game as town you would never make this post seeing how I literally sussed mo in our Hood.
Truthfully I believe this is an attempt to give mo towncred after you miselim me. You and mo are scum partners
I could see that. I initially liked mo but he has been declining and his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one because it just seemed to come out of nowhere and unlike Robert there was literally no basis for it.
And now Vanders is telling me that it’s a bad reason to sr slots who sr me. That’s freaking hilarious.
I hope you weren’t trying to pocket me earlier but I have a weak gut tl on you now and I definitely could see that. I had that same initial concern with Robert when he initially claimed me and Vanders were his strongest srs but he wasn’t hard trying to drive an elim on me.
really?... out of all the reasons you choose "his brief vote on me was possibly the weirdest one" out of the all the reasons that i could have been "declining" you chose a random vote in which was to drive the game into pressure. just look at post 329 where i said:
In post 181, GrandpaMo wrote:ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me
VOTE: andante
I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.
VOTE: GrandpaMo
ok again you vote me for something that was just utter not scum indicitive imo. you say i was just rolefishing however you should know that (i even explained this) me and andante had a past before and i was expecting everything to be fine. "i think since andante is clearly not your neighbor" wtf quote is that.... YES I OUT MY NEIGHBOR FRAME ONE /s damn. also another playstyle is to fake neighborhood btw and that was lowkey was tryna do but then andante didn't get the point but its fine because we are all in neighbors and mafia still doesn't what neighbor anadnte is in or what neighbor i am in. and both me and andante could be in hoods that are both tvt and mafia would obviously know that but it wouldn't make sense. again rvs vote... this was my enterence.. you are just over thinking this ngl. if you dont think bugs is scum anymore, then who do u think my partner is LOL
In post 192, Loki Dokie wrote:No decent player sr a player for not being a fucking mind reader, so whatever you are, that’s seriously idiotic. No offense but newsflash not getting a joke doesn’t make you scum.
I'd be pretty careful about who you are calling bad or idiotic given you have failed to understand the "nuance" of something that I would have expected someone with no mafia experience to grasp.
I'm not scum reading you for not reading minds, I thought you were being overly serious regarding what andante was doing and your push on bugspray seems overly strong.
But you might be in luck regarding my vote now because grandpa seems scummier.
yesss the scumreads pog now explain to me why im scum
This could possibly be scum distancing.
i believe that this is confirmation bias because i do that as well... where you put a scumread on me then you try to iso and stuff and you find stuff now that can make the person look scummy; either as scum or town. now i will ask u this, have you checked my previous games? i do this literally every game when someone just puts a scumread on me for no reasoning and thats what vander did. no reason to distance as scum... optimal play for scum is to become more alligned imo to fake neighborhood i think. ur buddy bugs contradicts ur logic because they think we are alligned wit the weird towny thing.
In post 624, GeorgeBailey wrote:I'm making my catch up post but I really have to say, can ya'll please stop outing your hoods D1? It singles out the TFN and only helps scum right now.
In post 611, Loki Dokie wrote:I scum between bugs and Vanders and 1 between Mo and Robert.
Mo made it obvious because no one outside that group of four has been remotely scummy.
i didnt make anything obvious. that is YOU. how you think and what your persepcitve is telling you. not other people and maybe NOT even mafia knows yet but thru this quote u make it more obvious urself so u become hypocritical.
In post 181, GrandpaMo wrote:ok so im neighbors with andante and they are scum btw they just confessed to me
VOTE: andante
I think since Andante is clearly not your neighbor, this is scum rolefishing for fn.
VOTE: GrandpaMo
I said that after the bugs ccing FN shenanigans... Grandpa is only trying to fish
at least andante brings up the bugs thing while loki hasnt and thats the fishy thing. pun intended. anyways, you should know andante like i already explained and clearly made it clear on what my intentions... again why would i say clearly "wrong chat" that means it wasn't ever intended for scum pt. i think you flipped ur narrative 2 or 3 times either thinking i slipped for scum or made it where i was trying to rolefish. trying to fish is DIFFERENT then me slipping as you say. and thats why i was confused thru out the whole interaction because both of you were saying two different things and hopkirk even said i was be town if i slipped or sum shit.
Sorry I'm quoting this entire thing, I'm on my phone.
I'll only respond to the first part.
If you and bugspray are mafia together, and everyone thinks you're mafia together, and you don't distance, what do you expect to happen?... you both make it to final five and people kill elsewhere again, assuming that you are not just both mafia for some reason?
If you're saying that you voting bugspray is so ridiculous in your shoes that it means that you and bugspray should be obviously never scum together, and we should all be aware of that, then why in your position as scum with bugspray would you do this thing and make yourselves obviously not partners, so when one of you dies, the other can carry?
It's possible you're town and not aware of this but it just seems like very disingenuous reasoning on your part, whether or not you are actually scum with bugspray.
that isn't what that post is talking bout?!? what is up with yall and not reading. that post is referencing me and the bugspray and the supposed slip interaction that happened wit me and andante and loki. because now guess!! bugs thinks its me + u
I am reading.
You've said multiple times that you can't be with bugspray because of voting today.
Is that wrong?
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yes that's wrong because if u look at the full context i was talking bout that specific interaction.
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its okie tho<3 
That’s freaking hilarious.