Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Flea The Magician]

@Mod: They/Them is also good for me

VOTE: Indisious Lemons

This has been added.
~ Kori

[Flea The Magician]

Ya'll really going to join a Kori+Maru game and not expect mod shenangians?

Everyone should know that Kori is the ultimate cult leader.

And Maru is the ultimate troll
~Maru

[Flea The Magician]

RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.

[Flea The Magician]

RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.

No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.

They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.

[Flea The Magician]

RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.

No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.

They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.

i can confirm this is true. which of the following situations do you think is most probable:

1. i am a cultist who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
   
2. i am a VT who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
   
3. i am a TPR who read my role PM, considered replacing out, and then decided to confirm
   
4. regardless of what i rolled, i read my role PM and either forgot to or didn't have time to confirm it right away

I think the rep out is more likely to come from a cult alignment at this stage. Also what are we playing here, Among Us? "Don't want this alignment. YEET."

Confusion about the role maybe, and the non-cult roles in this setup are common enough to not need clarification.

[Flea The Magician]

It was part of the confirmation edits in the PList post by the mod It caught my eye and became my opening vote.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm, i guess i could see that. but all the cult role PMs look pretty self-explanatory to me. don't you think i'd know what a roleblocker and rolecop do by now? aren't those just as common (if not moreso) as any of the TPRs? and given that conversion to the cult is the driving mechanic in this game, i wouldn't expect that anyone but a complete beginner would be confused about the role of the leader either. what sorts of confusion are you imagining?

Second cult game i've played, EVER. First time it's been an actual game driving mechanic. I've been playing on and off for years.

UNVOTE:

That was a helluva speedwagon

[Flea The Magician]

Also what are we playing here, Among Us? "Don't want this alignment. YEET."

this was kind of the subtext of 32 because i couldn't fully believe you'd actually suggest i would replace out based on what i rolled, especially not in an open

Knew something was bugging me, now I'm not distracted with CyberpunkRED and can go back to 1% braining this instead of 0.01%ing this, what on earth did I say that even implied a replace out?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: IncideousLemons

Apparently I cant track votes rn.

[Flea The Magician]

I love how this is all progressing

I've actually got some decent reads come Page 4 for once.

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Nowhere did I claim a solve, and nowhere have I said IL is a lockscum read.

Raya has made several frankly dangerous assumptions and is a bit all guns blazing in ILs defence which amuses me, SL.
T3's pointless half a moment sheep seems off, T3 I know is evasive in general but also usually more "Locked on". SL-. Would be SL but theres thought and evaluation going on there.

ILs responses have actually been legitimate and I'm happy with TL+ there.
Osuka weirdly gets a TL-.
Enchant also gets TL-.

Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.

VOTE: Raya for now.

[Flea The Magician]

i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea so

fae'd

answer me about how

fae

thought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:

ftfy

It's pride/wrath month, I am cranky, I am not sorry.

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I still want to know why you jumped to replacement in every solution and persistently after.

[Flea The Magician]

You think Lemons is scum for not responding to their pm right away, right? But you also said it's scum indicative for that to result in a replace out, which is clearly not the case here.

Flea, this is a really weird thing to push Lemon's for

You even seem to be implying Lemon's is town for it?

You've looked at things I've said, tried reading between the lines, found nothing and inserted narrative from Lemons or yourself, I'm unsure which.

It's rare reading between the lines is works with me, even if you're looking for crumbs they can be hard to track down if you're going for that approach.

[Flea The Magician]

The case was, delayed confirmation despite have a read role PM.
Scummy because most of the roles are common on MS, and cults aren't often seen. So possibility of asking for confirmation about cult mechanics.

It's a shitty ass case for D1, and it was an RVS breaker. It did it's job, I got some reads, there's been discussion, and some still on going.
Assumptions I saw weren't all from you, you go back to SL- but my vote is staying on you.

Eugh I need to find what I saw before because there was a thing that pinged and it wasn't you...

flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.

I should answer this too.

Osaka seems to be engaging and poking their own things without pulling focus from the main show at the time. For me scum would be happy to sit back at this point.

[Flea The Magician]

damnit I can't find it -.-; wtaf...
My reads stand, I have early gut suspicions on Enchant too but mostly because I've seen their scumgame and it scares me.

[Flea The Magician]

fair, sorry, brains glitching out between late night and day time... I suspect internal shenanigans.

[Flea The Magician]

Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.

You could start by answering my post addressed to you!

who are you and which one?

[Flea The Magician]

Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.

You could start by answering my post addressed to you!

who are you and which one?

RVS Breaker: My vote was serious. Discuss.

No it wasn't. At least not beyond the trivial "all votes are to some extent serious" sense of the phrase. If I'm wrong and you have a real reason you're welcome to share it instead of inviting us to play 20 Questions.

They read their Role PM but didn't confirm it until later.

I'm having trouble following, both how you came to this conclusion (I saw it was later verified though), and why that would make them more likely to be scum/cult/whatever?

It's explained in thread, but to surmise.

Cult is an uncommon and totally not bastard mechanic, while the rest are fairly common and standard roles on MS. My first thought was confirming mechanics before confirming the role

[Flea The Magician]

How Flea even know how many time exact player waste on reading role.

It was part of the confirmation edits in the PList post by the mod It caught my eye and became my opening vote.

Almost like I responded in realtime

[Flea The Magician]

You can see it here, Kori evidently used it, and made note of it enough to update the confirmations list, I also saw it and made use of the information.


Yes I have a folder named <3

[Flea The Magician]

I think the questioning is legit to be honest, if the phrasing of it is a little odd.

Major Minor is the main one I'm concerned about following on from all of this.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not sure on what you're asking in that case.
The player list had confirmation status on who had confirmed, Lemons had opened the message but not confirmed the role according to said list. My angle at the time was cult may be a mechanic people are unfamiliar with and that was the reason for delay in role confirmation while cult mechanics were clarified.

It's unlikely Maruchan will be posting again, except to troll us.
Osuka I'm unfamiliar with.
T3 is currently within their normal range.

Perhaps ask questions and things to generate discussion instead of just idly knocking the slots.
Have you manage to form any notable reads from my shenangians?

[Flea The Magician]

Maruchan has still only posted once to ego the thread.

we should policy her

Twice in 2 consecutive games ain't fair, give her a chance

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not sure what someone's "normal range" is. I was asked to point to other people who had produced similarly low levels of content as me at the time I was criticized for not contributing other content. I was not asking you to give me a meta read on anybody. When I asked questions, I was blasted for asking questions and then asking for follow up when my questions were ignored. When I was asked to point to other slots that were inactive, I get told I should be asking questions instead. Seems I'm trapped in a "damned if you do" situation, aren't I?

Feels rather disingenuous on your part, tbh.

Part and parcel of mafia, if you're on the watch list you're damned either way.
I was looking at your posts out of context at the time and that's what I got.

You also missed the bit where I asked if you got any reads from it.

before i start catching up i just want to say that this dogshit pseudo-meta talk about whether or not whoever confirmed whatever the fuck role PM before or after they saw a role or didn't or whatever else is among the dumbest, most brain dead, shit-tier fucking dumpster fire conversation i have ever seen in my life

if you gave me a fucking lobotomy i'd lose less brain cells than i did reading through that trash

Then contribute, it is a shitty ass case but it was an RVS breaker and I'm happy with what I got for it.

Problem with this game is cult leader. We can murder one cultist per day and still lose, simple because of spamming cultists.

That's reason why i want to see early accusations, because cult leader NEED something to cover self up. That's same with mafia who always bus self not actively for distancing. But here, leader could and probably should hardbus cultists (he always can get more).

Would cult risk to softbus leader, like mafia do? I think yes. That's reason why i suspect Lemons who you already townread and, surprising, osuka who... No comments, you already see that.
T3 is probably not Cult, because when i was mafia with him in other game, first thing he do is trying to kill teammate for townpoints and get murdered, idk if he changed his atlitude, but it's not like he actively accuse someone.
Flea is dangerous, i can't predict.
About others i have nothing to say.

Would cult not bus? Well. Yes. But i somehow believe they do.


Ergo,

we can win only by randomlynch and hoping we cover Cult Leader with it

. Why this is striked, that's truth. Sad, but true, go use your SCUMREADING powers or something, because not sure how to win this otherwise, but i think Lemons/osuka is best pet here.

Are you setup fishing Enchant? Like genuinely this feels like it's meant to subtly extract information and this is why I fear your scumgame...

[Flea The Magician]

Assuming Setup A, these are the potential setups.

A1: Cult Leader, Cult Roleblocker vs. Town Cop, Town Rolestopper, 5x Vanilla Townie
A2: Cult Leader, Cult Roleblocker vs. Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, 5x Vanilla Townie
A3: Cult Leader, Cult Roleblocker vs. 2x Unrecruitable Townie, 5x Vanilla Townie

A3 is IMO a lot more dangerous for the cult as it means they have a chance of failing to recruit and if they can't get those 2 players eliminated, they're a lil bit stuffed.

A2 forms a middle ground, Tracker can get a false positive from the Jailkeeper, Jailkeeper can stop the tracker tracking.

A1 is Easy mode imo. Cop shouldn't claim at all, crumbs appreciated mind. Also at risk of the rolestopper blocking the cop but incredibly unlikely to hit anything solid.

Especially as we only get 1 flip every 2 phases. Town has less information to work with. It kinda feels like you're wanting someone to TMI their PR or otherwise convince you that you're wrong. Which, you are btw. The big difficulty for town here, is that we need to reset our reads every day.

[Flea The Magician]

Part and parcel of mafia, if you're on the watch list you're damned either way.
I was looking at your posts out of context at the time and that's what I got.

You also missed the bit where I asked if you got any reads from it.

And you... literally didn't read the end of the very post you quoted where I gave reads?

VOTE: Flea

Do better.

You first.

[Flea The Magician]

ftr I asked for reads, not associations

[Flea The Magician]

also, it's funny that you accuse enchant of setup fishing, then turn around and ask for cop crumbs.

Cop should always crumb results. No brainer.
Addressing 1 out of 5 potential PRs is a lil specific, dont' ya think.

I can go through all the setup variations but it results in about the same for each just shuffled slightly.

[Flea The Magician]

MM do we know you at all btw? You seem to have made a few assumptions about us and we're curious if we've played previously or if you just read our meta.

No intrest in alt hunting btw, if you've used alts with us.

[Flea The Magician]

TL;DR is we got OSDD, multiple people, 1 body, and we got shared memory so good times. We/us is referring to the system. So kinda yeah to both - More into in our GTKAS.

Every PR should be at minimum leaving a crumb for who their targets are. Right now, its towards your wincon. Cop is the main one who can hard clear a player.

Cops can hard clear for 1 phase and also hard guilty. Cop should never freaking claim ftr. I don't care if you're 1 from yeet and intent has been declared, you don't claim. Guilty crumbs are freaking vital if you're yeeted.

Trackers can false-positive. Crumb but never claim. This is frikken vital on positives, honestly.

Jailkeepers, role stoppers don't know if they're successful. Crumbs helpful maybe for progress tracking.

Unconvertable get no results so no need to worry. a crumb is helpful for later maybe to self-confirm.

[Flea The Magician]

Probably i can't understand something.

But did you propose plan where PR should let lynch self, but not reveal at all costs?
It's idiocy. Even if they can be converted. Why the fuck, we can lynch cult leader instead and win, and claimed PR not like be Cult Leader (unless...)

OK so...

Cop has been recruited. Is at E-1, claims

Cop claims, is let off, go chase a false lead or allowed to deepwolf a little. Nobody looks there again.

Cop has not been recruited, claims

You need to fully drop your investigations there and then because you're getting recruited and then it becomes against your wincon to true claim.

Cop has been recruited, is at E-1, doesn't claim

Is eliminated, we know to look for crumbs to find guilties. bit if wine involved.

Cop hasn't been recruited, is at E-1, doesn't claim

We get an accurate flip and get to crumb hunt for guilties without WIFOM

Situation 4 is ideal from my perspective.

[Flea The Magician]

This applies to tracker too, but a little more thinking required.

This is even assuming a cop is in the setup.

[Flea The Magician]

How you tell apart simple cultist from cultist-cop?

Or do converted remain their powerrole and flip as some "Cult Cop"? I think it simple "Cultist".

You don't which is why we need the flip.

Cultist Cop claims every time because their wincon requires survival.

Town cop doesn't because infomation is vital, come clean after the hammer if you can

[Flea The Magician]

Assuming Setup A, these are the potential setups.

Why setup A in particular? I feel like I'm missing something here

Setup A was chosen because...

Spoiler: this got long...

Its the first on the list. -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

On a waaaay lighter note, the mental image of Major Minor's SRs of Flea and I in one of their earlier posts made me chuckle. IIRC Flea is from Yorkshire, so if we ran a cult between us, it would be British af. Compulsory tea and custard creams for all initiates

Damned right. proper cuppa wi Yorkshire Tea, side of custard creams, eugh straight into our collective heart right there.

[Flea The Magician]

Why am I on Raya still?

VOTE: Major minor

[Flea The Magician]

That's E-2 btw.

[Flea The Magician]

I don't want a claim from you, haven't I made that clear? I don't want E-1 claims.

I want you do some things that tell me you're town.

Without associatives, whats your reads? why?

[Flea The Magician]

Eugh so town remains infoless, I was assuming flips as "Cult Tracker" and stuff.

Hmm... ok I need ot think on this.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchants making sense, gets a day pass.

Major feels weird to me at this point... maybe its the green av.

Osuka's frustrations are hard to read into...

Enchant give me something to work with.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Raya

This is cult.

elaborate for me <3

[Flea The Magician]

Because I missed it and don't know who said it...

TPRs open this game with more information than scum do.
Scum have 3 possible setups to work out, TPR have 2.
Town Friendly Neighbours are an exception, they know what we're up against, just not what their complimenting power is.

Osuka, who do we yeet and why?

[Flea The Magician]

day pass revoked.

[Flea The Magician]

@Enchant you're better than just randoming D1, I know that for a fact.

[Flea The Magician]

Which is how I know you're better.

[Flea The Magician]

Why haven't you before now?

[Flea The Magician]

You are seriously telling me after all that, you got nothing.

[Flea The Magician]

I have no wish to reread game seriously right now. Tomorrow.

Flea, what you think about my plan with revealing PRs? You didn't comment it yet.

I want game content, not mech content from you rn. And I'm willing to drop the line there fully. If PRs want to claim, fine, go for it. I still think it's questionable because of the changing nature of this game.

[Flea The Magician]

6 days to go,

Osuka or Major minor are the wagons. Pick one, and lets have it.

Both slots are low-content and evasive (to the point of offensively so in Osukas case). I'll be keeping an eye whoever isn't eliminated of the two.

Enchant, I am disappointed in you. You knw you're getting culted tonight, right?

[Flea The Magician]

People are so predictable sometimes....

[Flea The Magician]

Osaka less evasive, my bad, still disgustingly overly-aggressive and hostile.

Major Minor you case was poop, frankly. and you have answered

around

at least 1 question today and I've already shown you that.
Also protip, calling me disengenuous gets you scumpoints because frankly I absofuckinglutely hate when people declare "bad faith!!" as an excuse to ignore me. You give me hella bad vibes.
You say you'd shoot me to remove me from the game, do that mean you're SRing me or just dislike me? I'd love to know which one it is.


now this....

Mmmm. I know this is probably going to sign my death warrant, but whatever.

VOTE: Enchant

I believe this slot is independently scummy.

The opening "I claim Mafia Goon" is just cheeky enough that I could see cult doing it. This is purely conjecture, yes, but I actually think opening with that kind of joke is more likely to come from scum than town. Disagree? Okay, skip this point.

So much of what Enchant does early is split into two buckets: obviously farcical joking, or trying to direct town actions.

Almost the ENTIRETY of Enchant's posting so far is sort of playing in this orbit

around

the game rather than engaging with the game itself. What I mean is... it's all jokes, or it's talking

theory

about what could

hypothetically

be the best play in any given scenario. Then we keep going with it... what is the ideal claim? Is it bad to reveal roles? Should we massclaim? All this stuff looks neat but... Enchant doesn't have to engage with the game at all when doing this.

Look at all of Enchant's posts thus far. None of them give reads or attempt to pressure anyone or press suspicious actions. But there sure are a lot of them! Because waxing poetic about theory and hypotheticals is a very neat way for scum to generate content without opening themselves up to much risk.

is more than what can be said about your play so far, and if you noticed I started to follow up on this because yeah you made a point.

I may not like your slot rn, but I'm getting worse vibes from osuka.

[Flea The Magician]

no CC from me, will addres Major's mising my point again after cyberpunk.

[Flea The Magician]

Osaka less evasive, my bad, still disgustingly overly-aggressive and hostile.

You are a hostile presence in the game, IMO. You've talked down to me for a large portion of your posts here and act as if you are better than everyone else. I can't tell if it's because you're scum with a chip on your shoulder, or you are just an angry person. That being said, it feels fairly hypocritical to want Osaka dead because of playstyle/personality given how you've acted. It's mafia, so I get it, it doesn't really bother me that much. But reading someone as scum for it? Come on now.

Yeah i'm a pretty angry person at the moment.

Spoiler: heres a brief rundown.

My gender dysphoria is rampaging as my Testosterone levels are rising once again thanks to the incompetence of so called professionals.
My grandmother - the family member we as a system are closest too passed way recently.
I have been requested to "Dress conservativly" to appease my uncle who "is in a dark place" at the moment. When pushed, the response was "Jeans, leggings, teeshirt... just not womanly".
My final conversation with my gran was her bollocking me thinking i was my uncle because he doesn't support me.
I am having, around 5 mental health episodes daily. Suppressed or otherwise. An episode is defined as altered state of lucidity.
I have a close friend currently on "watch" who I have spent most of today talking through an extended episode with. Do you know what a lethal dose of caffine is btw? Guess who had to look it up.

I, am having a rough as balls time rn and I just wanna play some mafia.

I haven't been directly aggressive. I get I come across as a bit "holier than thou" and that is far from my intent, i hate it honestly. Meanwhile, I'm probably the worst damn player in this game rn. The written word is powerful and its one of few things I have a relatively decent grasp on. Sadly my brain being the cosmic sack of crap that it is, along with my headmates, mean I have anywhere between 4 and 4000 thought processes happening at once.

Major Minor you case was poop, frankly. and you have answered

around

at least 1 question today and I've already shown you that.

Handwaving an entire case and saying it was... poop? Bold, brave content.
I'm not sure what your second point means. The emphasis on "around" is strange, but also, you say I've answered "at least" one question today... so I've answered more than one? Or what? And how does this relate to my case, which you claimed was poop?

I love you disconnected the emphasis from the phrase.

"What is 2+2"
a standard answer would 4.

Answering around the question would be..
"Likewise what is 2x2 as they give the same answer. Also consider that when you add two even numbers you will get an even number. If you're unsure if a number is even, it will end in 0, 2, 4, 6, or 8."

I asked what your reads are, you gave my a list of "If X is this then Y is this." which is not reads, it's associatives, and answering around the question.
And yes your case was poop. You attacked a playstate instead of forcing engagement and interaction. That is a pants case and honestly shows a lack of town thinking imo.

Also protip, calling me disengenuous gets you scumpoints because frankly I absofuckinglutely hate when people declare "bad faith!!" as an excuse to ignore me. You give me hella bad vibes.

You don't need to be condescending to people. "Protip", I'm not ignoring you. I've engaged with you countless times, but yes, eventually, if someone shows bad faith enough times, it becomes grounds for suspicion or pressure.

Didn't say you were ignoring, was saying this is what had happened in the past. People call bad faith to force disengagement. Frankly I know what angle I'm pushing, I used the context of the game, and I'm gathering information.

You say you'd shoot me to remove me from the game, do that mean you're SRing me or just dislike me? I'd love to know which one it is.

Answered above. I also, in the post where I said I'd shoot you, actually explained the reasons I was voting for you, so I am glad to have to repeat myself for you for like... the fifth time.

But you're not voting me. In fact, you're on Enchant, and the first one on there actually.

now this....

Mmmm. I know this is probably going to sign my death warrant, but whatever.

VOTE: Enchant

I believe this slot is independently scummy.

The opening "I claim Mafia Goon" is just cheeky enough that I could see cult doing it. This is purely conjecture, yes, but I actually think opening with that kind of joke is more likely to come from scum than town. Disagree? Okay, skip this point.

So much of what Enchant does early is split into two buckets: obviously farcical joking, or trying to direct town actions.

Almost the ENTIRETY of Enchant's posting so far is sort of playing in this orbit

around

the game rather than engaging with the game itself. What I mean is... it's all jokes, or it's talking

theory

about what could

hypothetically

be the best play in any given scenario. Then we keep going with it... what is the ideal claim? Is it bad to reveal roles? Should we massclaim? All this stuff looks neat but... Enchant doesn't have to engage with the game at all when doing this.

Look at all of Enchant's posts thus far. None of them give reads or attempt to pressure anyone or press suspicious actions. But there sure are a lot of them! Because waxing poetic about theory and hypotheticals is a very neat way for scum to generate content without opening themselves up to much risk.

is more than what can be said about your play so far, and if you noticed I started to follow up on this because yeah you made a point.

I may not like your slot rn, but I'm getting worse vibes from osuka.

You followed up on this how? By giving Enchant a "day pass" and hand waving what I said?

And if I made a point... then... why was my case "poop" like you said earlier?

Enchant made sense and was doing good at the time, was engaging with me sincerely and I had no reason to doubt them. Your case felt scum motivated as it was pushing a mech-active/game-inactive slot without trying to interact with them imo. Which is where I took your point - still doesn't mean your case is good - and pushed it a little to try and generate content. and now we know why enchant was distant. I fully buy the claim ftr but unfortunately they will be recruited tonight.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry about being missing yesterday, I have my reasons.

I'm not sure what a "pants" case is. But I'd argue I wasn't attacking a playstyle, I was attacking individual categories of actions as being scummy. (And, for the record, "You were attacking a playstyle" is a really weird critique? Like yes, if a playstyle is scummy, the actions comprising that playstyle gets called out.)

I was calling your case rubbish. I get it's weird calling the play style scummy, but you made no attempt to engage Enchant otherwise and pull them into the game. That's what I thought was suspicious.

To your point about bad faith: if you weren't saying I was ignoring you, why did you tell me I got "scum points" for using the argument because it's an excuse to ignore you? Like, you're simultaneously using the ignoring as a reason to blanket scumread me, while also claiming I'm not actually ignoring you and you're just talking about what has happened in the past.

You are quite apt at altering contexts I've noticed.
Bad faith/disingenuous is used to disengage, ignore and otherwise weaken my position quite often. I did not say, nor imply that you had ignored me or disengaged me. You have, however, on multiple occasions tried to debase me and weaken my position.

Now I can see a town motivation for that, honestly, but your method seems intent to undermine and change the context of what I'm saying and inferring which now leads me to believe you're scum.

You're right, I was the first one on Enchant. I still stand by my points that Enchant's play was scum-coded, and furthermore, I think the open claim is actively harmful to town and very well might've lost us the game here.

Disagree, we still have another potential PR, Enchant had hinted VERY HEAVILY at being a PR and people still pushed for it. I believe Enchants wagon was scum driven and that they picked up the same hints as me. Same as you have around the time of the initial claim, but as a rather specific one that doesn't fit with that claim. This one could entirely be a case of "You'll find what you're looking for if you're looking for it" though.
Also, something to note is this:

I also,

in the post where I said I'd shoot you, actually explained the reasons I was voting for you

, so I am glad to have to repeat myself for you for like... the fifth time.

Your vote for Enchant was in 230. Did you forget?

I'm at a complete loss for what to do. Enchant has hardclaimed so that's off the table. I know that I'm not scum. I don't believe Osuka is scum, though I'm sincerely hoping I'm not being pocketed and letting Osuka into my blind spot. If I believe all of that, and not a single person has shown any interest in supporting my suspicions on Flea, then I'm left with a very narrow pool, all of which seem to be somewhat swimming in the same stagnant null waters.

Pick someone and push then. You're suspicious of a pocket from Osuka, investigate it and either confirm it or throw it aside. Osuka is someone who gives me big game vibes and I want to see the big game happen.

On my to-do list is to go back and reread Raya, T3, Umlaut, and Lemons to see if I can glean anything from there.[/quote]

[Flea The Magician]

T3 are you counterclaiming? You're making a lot of noise about it being a fake claim but I can't see you saying you're not counterclaiming.

[Flea The Magician]

Why do people insist on answering around my questions?

I know it's pride month T3, but I need a STRAIGHT ANSWER.

[Flea The Magician]

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka because I have sus on that slot too.

[Flea The Magician]

@MOD V/LA 14-16 June

V/LA noted.
~ Kori

[Flea The Magician]

ESPECIALLY if Flea is town.

Flea, if you're town, you're pushing on town here. Think about that for a moment and how that might explain some of the gamestate. With you doing the heavy lifting for scum to push people onto a miselimination onto me, they can sorta just... blend in. What other active things have been happening?

Thank you for your confession.
The gamestate is still fairly decent, the HEAVY resistance to your elimination despite few people expressing an opinion on you tells me there's either scum defending you, or you are scum. Osuka has been defending you, and I'm happy enough in my read on you that you are todays elimination, and the only one in my mind.

I will say this, you have earned a lot of respect from me for your play if you're scum. You've done a good job at adjusting the narratives around you, and I'm pretty sure you're wishing there was a factional kill.
Converting me would be obvious, besides there's the PR to take care of.

Question for me is your buddy, Osuka, T3 or Umlaut.

This isn't a long game, just 16 pages. I'd encourage people to reread and see the dominant narrative. It has solely centered around me from the start of this game, pretty much -- one of the first real reads expressed after Flea pushed us out of RVS was that people were sus of me for various reasons, and a majority of the dialogue has continued to be about that -- which means scum really don't want to shake up the narrative too much, because from their perspective, they had a townie in the spotlight (me) while I pushed for a wagon on a town PR (Enchant). The goal should be to find who was specifically trying not to rock the boat and seemed content to let the status quo stay as it is (Umlaut, ???).

Oof the ego is real. You pushed for a wagon on Enchant, who was promptly run up to E-1 with much much less resistance.

I think you picked up the same hints from Enchant as I did, and your push on them tells me you're scum motivated.

[Flea The Magician]

Two people think I'm scum but won't vote me, both are slots that are unfamiliar with me and it shows xD

Osuka, why react to my calling out of your weird defences of Major Minor but not theirs? Care to actually contribute to the game?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm happy locking down on Major Minor and Osuka team here. So you'll know if I'm culted.

[Flea The Magician]

All townreads should be reset on a new day anyway until we know who was culted.

I reckon tonights target is Enchant, I don't think I get culted at all because of how I'm positioned on reads, I'm an easy catch out when if I get culted.

[Flea The Magician]

@Dwlee first line aimed at T3, second is more open to everyone.

Boy, I cannot wait until you realize you were just 100% completely off base here.

And if I am, then I learn something, if I'm not, then my confidence is justified.

Like... what HEAVY resistance to my elimination? ONE person, Osuka, sorta defending me? Everyone else has indicated a willingness to eliminate me or has voted for me at some point???
Are you reading the same game?

Comparatively speaking, you've had a counter wagon that was almost successful and it seems to be despite a few aired concerns, those last few votes or even intent to vote is elusive.
Oh and Osuka, I'm not the only one calling out your defensiveness of Major, as you can see here.

Interesting that you all keep thinking I'm calling Flea definitive scum. My position from the start has been I could see one of the cult taking charge to try to lead town, and that Flea would fit that bill.

But you have been persistent in "testing the waters" around me.
What else, other than my loudness, do you find SAI?

I'm happy locking down on Major Minor and Osuka team here. So you'll know if I'm culted.

You play with the arrogance of someone who is much better at this game.

(Or you're scum.)

I play with confidence in my reads, because that's all I have.

[Flea The Magician]

What else, other than my loudness, do you find SAI?

I don't know what SAI means.

Scum Alignment Indicative.

Comparatively speaking, you've had a counter wagon that was almost successful and it seems to be despite a few aired concerns, those last few votes or even intent to vote is elusive.

Correct. I had one wagon other than mine flare up on a slot that was playing scummy and only didn't get eliminated because of a power role claim.
Then it just settled onto me. If I was cult, you'd expect my partner to be trying to get another wagon going

somewhere

, wouldn't you? And yet I seem to be the only person throwing out alternate wagons trying to get something to stick.

Not always, a game like this it has to be very carefully chosen and orchestrated.

Unless you think Osuka and I are scum together. That's the *only* scenario where the above behavior makes sense.

This is my current suspicion.

You'd also think that if I were cult here, and Osuka is town, I'd take the easy route of just going in on Osuka since he's the next most likely wagon target. But... I don't want that, because I don't think Osuka is scum, and if Osuka is town and gets miseliminated, there's almost nothing to stop you from driving a train directly into me tomorrow anyway because I have zero confidence you would ever stop to reevaluate how wrong you were.

Loving the continued attempts on my ego.
What is you read on Osuka, exactly?

[Flea The Magician]

Loving the continued attempts on my ego.
What is you read on Osuka, exactly?

They're not attempts, they're correct reads on your ego.

I read potential scum AND town motivation behind Osuka's full throated defense of me earlier in the day -- and his recent "What I didn't defend MajMin, where'd I do that" feels scummy. I read that situation as a potential one where he saw an opportunity to white knight me at the start of the day for +town points later, but didn't realize I'd be a sinking ship, and is now trying to distance himself before he gets dragged down with me. That would indicate scum motivation.

I bet you're a blast at social events.

So you've justified both town and scum points for Osuka, but what is your exact read on them currently?

---

For that matter, what are peoples thoughts on Osuka rn?

[Flea The Magician]

Loving the continued attempts on my ego.
What is you read on Osuka, exactly?

They're not attempts, they're correct reads on your ego.

I read potential scum AND town motivation behind Osuka's full throated defense of me earlier in the day -- and his recent "What I didn't defend MajMin, where'd I do that" feels scummy. I read that situation as a potential one where he saw an opportunity to white knight me at the start of the day for +town points later, but didn't realize I'd be a sinking ship, and is now trying to distance himself before he gets dragged down with me. That would indicate scum motivation.

I bet you're a blast at social events.

So you've justified both town and scum points for Osuka, but what is your exact read on them currently?

---

For that matter, what are peoples thoughts on Osuka rn?

I would vote for them over myself but it is certainly not my preferred wagon for the day.

oh my gods Major answer the flipping question, not around the question!
This is why you're scumlocked.

[Flea The Magician]

Two people think I'm scum but won't vote me, both are slots that are unfamiliar with me and it shows xD

Osuka, why react to my calling out of your weird defences of Major Minor but not theirs? Care to actually contribute to the game?

WHERE are my "weird defences" of major minor? you have yet to point any of them out - i just showed that you were pulling that straight out of your ass

Yet you're still challenging me and not Major Minor.

Whom I might add you've given an identical read on.

I'm tripleing down on Osuka and Major Minor.

[Flea The Magician]

Im going to go an a limb and say it's "because [I'm] talking out of [my] ass"

[Flea The Magician]

i just showed that you were pulling that straight out of your ass

They've already said I'm pulling stuff from my arse, extrapolation has them implying I'll be talkin from me arse lol

[Flea The Magician]

Ah right, with you

@Flea would you be willing to vote there?

I'm going to bed - catch all you lovely people tomorrow

Didn't see that, yeah I'm happy on either of my scum reads

[Flea The Magician]

That is literally my exact read on them. Jesus FUCKING Christ. Remind me to avoid playing with Flea ever again in the future, it's miserable.

Congrats you threw a dart at a board and fucking hit, where I've been asking you to hit a specific number.
"Well I'd elim them over me!" SHOULD BE YOUR DEFAULT FUCKING STATE YOU ABSOLUTE WAFFLE. And is not a SPECFIC read.

A specific read is "You're lockscum" or "I'm leaning town"

YOU HAVE LITERALLY GIVEN NO INFORMATION TO WORK WITH.

My reads may be shit, but fuck me sideways seven ways to sunday AT LEAST I HAVE THEM AND MAKE THEM KNOWN.

[Flea The Magician]

Thats fine, I'm happy greylisting you Major, as frankly you have taken up too much of my time in this phase by being evasive with answers. Frankly you're honourary cult at this point anyway.

[Flea The Magician]

I play with the mindset a direct question should receive a direct answer.

That you attribute my style to ego, says so much about you, and frankly, your ego needs checking. Adieu.

[Flea The Magician]

Sorry how is this mylo?

Cult is capped at 3, you know that right?

[Flea The Magician]

I keep forgetting and reminding myself that no one dies at night

I guess we have to presume we're in lylo (

l

et's

y

eet or

lo

se) though there's an outside chance cult either no-recruited or was prevented from recruiting.

YOLO!

Yeet Or LOse

[Flea The Magician]

Tracker knows the setup, is the thing, and should know the value of the guilty if they have one.

I am genuinely disliking T3 at the moment :/

[Flea The Magician]

Same as cop, they know the setup, and know the value of their guilty.

We're against leader and either rolecop or rolestop/block/wok/whatever so we've 2 visiting roles.

[Flea The Magician]

Same as cop, they know the setup, and know the value of their guilty.

We're against leader and either rolecop or rolestop/block/wok/whatever so we've 2 visiting roles.

[Flea The Magician]

True, okay.

Cop should claim if they have an innocent, tracker should claim if they have guilty.

Absolutely not.
VOTE: t3

neither helps game state right now.

[Flea The Magician]

Won't lie, I've gone off Osuka.

My nose is leading me elsewhere though, and T3 is definitely interesting.

[Flea The Magician]

Won't lie, I've gone off Osuka.

My nose is leading me elsewhere though, and T3 is definitely interesting.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm honestly just for leaving Osuka in the corner where they seem happy to stay and prodge.

[Flea The Magician]

We're also looking for 1 in 6 each, enchant still on that, cop/tracker is potentially on 1 in 4. I'm thinking T3 at the moment.

[Flea The Magician]

Osuka is sus af but honestly not worth bothering with.

T3 is my main sus rn.

[Flea The Magician]

I said what I said. Make of it what you will.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea + Marky + Osuka scumteam Osuka cult leader solve SUBMIT

Interested in why me?
You're not that bad a player Dwlee, and you've seen my scumgame...

I wonder if its you and T3...

[Flea The Magician]

Y'all both were like "yea Osuka might be bad but I'm not voting him" which is suspicious af. Also marky you could have been turned cult last night and enchant roleblocked.

I fully stand by what I said, Osuka is sus, and is doing absolutely nothing and therefore not worth my time.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Dwlee99
That would be a very bad yeet.

[Flea The Magician]

The answer is always no.

Even if I am culted, you then need to play around what I'm saying and have said.

You also then need to consider that if I have been recruited, and in terms of miseliminating, I am a miselimination no matter what you do.

I was solidly wrong on Major, and frankly I have no regrets, I stand by what I said. Osuka is sus and contributing nothing, they are a miselim.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah i'm not movin off Dwlee today.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm on Dwlee or T3. Unless you have something?

[Flea The Magician]

*facepalm*
Then vote Osuka.

[Flea The Magician]

Fuck it, cult has 3 unless they held the recruit so I can't be recruited unless we hit one of them.
I'm the Tracker, Dwlee. I kept my eye on Osuka, and they went NOWHERE.

Want me to go find the crumbs?

[Flea The Magician]

I genuinely could not make it more clear without claiming -.-; I was practically hitting you with the loaf dwlee -.-;

Either way, Osuka is tracker clear unless you think I'm culted and protecting CL.

Ya'll need to choose them or not, I'm still for dwlee/T3, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka because I have sus on that slot too.

Target crumb, ftr.

[Flea The Magician]

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka because I have sus on that slot too.

Target crumb, ftr.

Could you point exactly where for idiots like me please?

I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka.

[Flea The Magician]

Was also the second mention ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Honelty, there's no reason cult wouldn't convert you as this point as you get to secure a win at MYOLO, you're also insisting on the "i wasn't culted" a bit too much for my liking.

Fortunately (for you), you are a mislim either way.

[Flea The Magician]

You were the only real viable target as a guilty last night on cult takes us one closer to CL.

I set myself up to be unrecruitable with the hardline take on Major and Osuka because the switch from nowhere outs me as cult, knowing I had an out as the tracker.

Other than that, I'd say its fair game for everyone.

[Flea The Magician]

They knew setup as soon as you claimed. I don't think cult no-actions in this setup.

[Flea The Magician]

If you think I've been culted you need to fully and completely disregard my inno on Osuka.

[Flea The Magician]

So then you need to disregard my claim, and vote Osuka.

If you believe my claim, Osuka is cult PR clear.
If you believe I'm culted, and by Osuka, you need to vote there.

[Flea The Magician]

Consider this intent to hammer drop... T3...

mobile vc 2.2:
T3 (2) - Raya, Dwlee
Dwlee (2) - Flea, T3
Raya (2) - Mark, Enchant

VOTE: Raya
The osuka wagon is terrible.

What wagon?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: T3

It's better than the Raya wagon anyway.

Note: Raya and T3 are both one vote from yeet

Hang on, how so?

[Flea The Magician]

fair.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: T3

This is where to go ultimately I think. I'll be watching Dwlee tonight.

[Flea The Magician]

Annoyingly if T3 isn't CL then the results no good but eh, I'm confident.

[Flea The Magician]

UNVOTE: T3

Interesting :3

[Flea The Magician]

So Osuka clear, T3 I'm willing to biasclear based on reaction, Enchant is CL clear (with no claimed result I can remember, I might add).

Leaves Dwlee, Marky, Raya, and Umlaut.

I won't lie I skipped over the Marky Raya debate so I'll have to look there before coming to any more conclusions.

T3 whats your thinking on Umlaut currently?

[Flea The Magician]

Theres no fire in T3 at all, which is my big concern.

Enchant, why from my PoV should Osuka not be clean?

[Flea The Magician]

I really don't think that that spew clears t3 and that enchant wants it to so badly should raise red flags.

Let us drink the wine, do we believe a potentially recruited Enchant hardthrows the CL like this?

[Flea The Magician]

Theres no fire in T3 at all, which is my big concern.

You've literally just said that you're willing to clear him

Yes, he is biasclear for today. I do not believe he is the CL as I'd expect him to be well pissed or at least a little more careful about the vote counts. My concern over him currently is people like Dwlee continuing to push. He could have been recruited, but we need CL, not minion.

[Flea The Magician]

Osuka also not clean, wtf

This should be a big flag as it implies a direct counterclaim to my clearing.

If Enchant has a guilty, I have a clear.
We then eliminate there, and then T3 either no actioned as cult or enchant is lying and is culted trying to drive the mislim, unless minion flip then we're back at square one.

I don't remember Enchant claiming a result either, despite claiming they have not been culted. I may be wrong, I'm going to go look.

[Flea The Magician]

Why am I thinking cop... fair enough.

[Flea The Magician]

Osuka also not clean, wtf

This should be a big flag as it implies a direct counterclaim to my clearing.

If Enchant has a guilty, I have a clear.
We then eliminate there, and then T3 either no actioned as cult or enchant is lying and is culted trying to drive the mislim, unless minion flip then we're back at square one.

I don't remember Enchant claiming a result either, despite claiming they have not been culted. I may be wrong, I'm going to go look.

WHAT THE FUCK YOU JUST WRITE.

ALREADY EXPLAINED SIMPLE TWO THINGS.

1. I AM NOT CONVERTED, WHILE I AM BLATANT TARGET FOR THAT.
2. CULT KNEW FULL SETUP AND KNEW THERE'S TRACKER AROUND.

WHY YOU EVEN WRITE "T3 EITHER NO ACTIONED AS CULT" IF YOU CHECKED OSUKA, NOT HIM.

I had cop in my brain, and my preview has some amsuing stuff in it...

[Flea The Magician]

Alright, alright.

For first. I don't say Osuka is guilty. I say, he is not "Clear", or Confirmed Town, atleast in my eyes. Because Cult simple could not to act. Even if you say that's not effective.
For second, i don't need drive miselim on T3. I could just hammer T3 and be happy with -1 Day from town, if i am cult (what you would do, lynch me?).

Idk if this was slip and T3 was person Flea tracked before get converted, which is somewhatpossible.

So, from my perspective, Osuka is clear and you were recruited because why would you not be? That you're taunting me with "What you are gunna do about it if I am cult?" is far too flippant for you and hints I'm on the right path.

Why would I crumb that I'm tracking Osuka TWICE, and then target T3?

Why do you want this elimination so bad?

[Flea The Magician]

6 days to go,

Osuka or Major minor

are the wagons. Pick one, and lets have it.

Both slots are low-content and evasive (to the point of offensively so in Osukas case).

I'll be keeping an eye whoever isn't eliminated of the two.

Enchant, I am disappointed in you. You knw you're getting culted tonight, right?

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and

I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka

because I have sus on that slot too.

Little reminder.

[Flea The Magician]

Then please do enchant, put your money where your mouth is.

It's rare reading between the lines is works with me, even if you're looking for crumbs they can be hard to track down if you're going for that approach.

Because ya know, I like hiding in plain sight.

[Flea The Magician]

Ok, so thats your crumb.

Wheres the rolestop implication?

I stated what I was doing, which was keeping an eye on them. The implication is that I am observing them, therefore I am tracking or watching.

[Flea The Magician]

842 is fair. Either way, what are you wanting to gain from this, saying my crumbs are crap?

Side note, you forget I've seen your scumgame Enchant, I wouldn't put this past you to be your cult game.

WIFOM ignored, Who's on your scumlist?

[Flea The Magician]

Wont lie, I still need to read, I need to read raya properly for CL potential.

That Enchant is on Raya does me a concern and leads me to think this is a mislim.

Sorry Enchant, I cannot treat you as anything other than cult

This narrows my pool further for CL.
Mark, Umlaut or Dwlee.

Mark I actually like, that I haven't skipped over with Raya he's been here and interacting, sounding genuine.
Umlaut I am struggling to get a good read on.
Dwlee is giving me bad vibes...

Ya'll fuckers going to make me work for this.

[Flea The Magician]

Dwlee talk me through this one, how are you getting to that?

[Flea The Magician]

Osuka was never even close to the block. Also does "if I no actioned it was on purpose" seem AI to you?

It's literally true of every VT and frankly you're going to have a hard time convincing me that CL does nothing N1. I had to practically hit you with the loaf about my target, and Enchant has made their point more than clear in an attempt to discredit me/my result.

Right now, I'm pretty sure you are cult with enchant, if you're cult leader is a different matter, and I'm trying to weigh you up against the others.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Dwlee

I think you're CL.

And I'll pull up why later.

[Flea The Magician]

I haven't read a single T3 post but I'm soul reading them as evil right now. Time to read and try to confirm suspicions.

I hammered cause I missed the lack of claim last night and Umlaut pointed it out.

It's just anti-town to not claim regardless of if you're VT. If someone refuses to claim my desire to hammer them skyrockets.

Correct, random eliminating is indeed bad. So we should vote off scumreads. I didn't scumread major so now it's my turn to choose people to kill.

Flea is open culting rn lol

If we assume enchant is telling the truth about not being culted, which okay big ask but whatever, then the fact that osuka wasn't hammered and raya and t3 suggests a possible 2 person team. Pair that with Osuka's cheeky "If I no actioned it was on purpose" it seems sus.

Er Ig Osuka never hit E-1 so idk how relevant that is anymore.

Had a depression wave hit, this is taking my spoons for the day.

Looking through Dwlees ISO there's a lot of what I can only describe as whirlwind activity, theres' thoughts and lines of thinking being thrown out everywhere.

Dwlee seems adamant that CL did not recruit, tries to be reading into Osukas "If I no actioned, it was deliberate" but then has dropped nuggets like "someone I trust tell me who cult is", "I can't be cult unless I'm defending Raya", acknowledging I'm probably not culted but then still doubting my tracker clear then asking "who gives us more information" as if wanting to drive a mislim. Still pushing on T3 despite being a mislim and absolutely has no given a pool out of potential CLs.

It's a silly string approach, spray everything and see what sticks.

[Flea The Magician]

Silly String approach is looking to see what fits and where, you've made a lot of low-effort moves but only really seem keen when there's momentum building. Its active oppotunism.

Depends how hard you push this enchant. Sounds like I've worn you down though

[Flea The Magician]

Started a push twice that got nowhere.

[Flea The Magician]

Am I teching Mafia 101 here Dwlee?

You are literally throwing things and seeing what sticks.

I cannot see any town motivation behind what you're doing.

[Flea The Magician]

Pretty sure Dwlee is just trying to wind me up actually, dunno about getting townpoints from it.

[Flea The Magician]

What do you mean when you say "sticks?"

I am not teaching you how to play mafia Dwlee -.-; nor am I going to teach you the definition of "sticks". Use google.

[Flea The Magician]

Scenario A: Raya is CL
-If we assume that Cult minions don't bus then cult minions must lie outside wagon ie within Flea/Umlaut/Dwlee
-So at least one of Umlaut or Dwlee would have to have been an original minion in this scenario
-Flea makes sense as a recruit target if cult were able to spot the crumbs, but Umlaut/Dwlee have both felt towny

Cult can still lose their leader and win, it's not a flagbearer scenario. If Raya is CL it would mean that her minions aren't deepwolf enough for her to be confident in that plan.
If I have been culted, or people suspect that, Osuka needs to not be treated as clear.
I feel that cult were already on Raya though.

Scenario B: Raya is not CL and cult has 3 members
-Optimum play here for the cult would be to hammer Raya as even if she is cult minion she can be replaced
-So lack of hammer would imply that all cult were already on the wagon and thus couldn't hammer, so cult from everyone else's POV would like within me/T3/Enchant/Osuka
-BUT enchant can't be CL and Osuka can't be CL in this particular scenario as in this scenario cult recruited last night and Flea isn't culted.
-So this scenario only makes sense from your point of view if CL is me or T3
-Also, it would be likely that Raya is town and not cult at all, as if she was minion she could self-hammer

Yup, cult should have hammered Raya absolutely if she isn't CL for optimal play. There was enough suspicion on her. I would expect both cult to already be on there in this scenario due to no hammer.
Enchant, myself and Osuka are CL clear, leaving you and T3 as the cult in this case.
Cult would be happy to let this go stagnant, you're provoking conversation and I buy T3's reaction. I may be wrong, I think this is the least likely case.

Scenario C: Raya is not CL and cult has 2 members
-Tbqh I'd not really considered that the cult might only have 2 due to me being protected last night, mainly because that only works if the cult targeted me over Enchant, a claimed PR
-In this scenario, lack of hammer implies that either:
--Raya is minion and cult didn't want her to get hammered. This would probably (but not certainly) mean the other cult would be off-wagon
--Raya is town and both cult were on the wagon and thus couldn't hammer ie 2 of me/Osuka/T3/Enchant are cult

Cult having 2 members means either you were targetted (unlikely due to PR claim) or no-actioned, in this case Osuka is on the line up potential but again this sceanario is incredibly unlikely as this is about as far from the wincon as you can get.

My thoughts currently are Enchant has been recruited, and CL is in yourself, dwlee, raya and Umlaut. Outside chance of T3. Like I said above, you're stirring conversation in an otherwise stagnant state so I'm willing to drop you from the pool for today. Puts me at Dwlee
Raya and Umlaut. I don't think it's Raya at all, I'd expect CL Raya to be more involved.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea I think you're confbiasing on me

It's you or Umlaut, imo.

So far, you're here making noise doing little. Umlaut is someone I could switch two. I feel its in you two.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchant, myself and Osuka are CL clear, leaving you and T3 as the cult in this case.

I can explain, why i can't be CL.


Why you and Osuka can't?

Well for one, I haven't been counter claimed and my pr claim matches yours....

Osuka went nowhere. I don't think cult plays to no recruit game here.

The odds are too against them

[Flea The Magician]

Flea I think you're confbiasing on me

It's you or Umlaut, imo.

So far, you're here making noise doing little. Umlaut is someone I could switch two. I feel its in you two.

I feel like you just don't get my playstyle. I was doing things by talking to T3

I've played with scum you dwlee. And yes I may be biasing but that's where my Poe is at.

[Flea The Magician]

I need to reready raya but honestly I think cult raya either sits in plain view or lets me forget she's in the game.

Enchant at the rate you're going you are literally going to need shares in aluminium just because the tinfoil is unreal.

[Flea The Magician]

You're trying to discredit me as a tracker... saying I'm OG cult and stole it from the now recruited tracker.

that is tinfoil of a whole new level.

[Flea The Magician]

ok Enchant is 100% culted and is spewing.

I cannot be CL.
Using my own mechanical contemplations between optimal and fun play, there is 0-1% chance that cult did not recruit in my mind. My Track on Osuka, to me, clears them in >99% of scenarios.
Outed PR is going to be the recruit in >80% of scenarios where cult acts.

Raya is not CL based on read, nothing else. Convince me otherwise. Why join the wagon so early? to continue to look town and convince town via WIFOM that you're still town and trying to act in towns best interests.

I don't want people at E-1 beause that's fucking stupid. Cult hammer mislim, we're 1 closer to losing. I don't know if you hammer T3 or not, for now I'm happy with their reaction. You want to convince me otherwise? My emotional reads are shit, I'm probably easier to convince here, but not from you.

I don't believe T3 is CL.

[Flea The Magician]

Prod dodging <3 Weapons training is back on thankfully ^_^

I'm sticking on dwlee. I ain't moving from there.

[Flea The Magician]

It has been defended, and you hardly deflected or defended yourself.

[Flea The Magician]

Sweet so because I don't want to educate you on the meaning of "Sticks" and keep answering your frankly inane and distracting questions my case is massively dismantled.

Aw phooey.

[Flea The Magician]

My PoE puts me at Umlaut at the moment.

[Flea The Magician]

So heres where I'm at.

Marky Mark - Has been inciting conversation and keeping the game from going stagnent. Town.
Enchant - PR, claim matches mine in the setup. Culted.
T3 - reaction to percieved hammer seemed legitimate.
Osuka - Strong bias towards MechClear due to my result.
Raya - I don't think she's this active as scum. Town Lean
Dwlee - Seems to be trying to argue for arguments sake. Reactions to me seem off. potential CL
Umlaut - Seems distant to the game, could be CL cruising for the mislims as town seems to want to devour itself
Flea - I'm the tracker, unless you want to WIFOM yourself into oblivion and I'm cult with Osuka, I'm clear and so is Osuka.

[Flea The Magician]

Marky amma bop you for the pronouns.

[Flea The Magician]

Ah yes, we have 2 chances to get this right so lets waste one ON THE TRACKER.

Good logic.

[Flea The Magician]

(thats at Dwlee)

[Flea The Magician]

When you say "if t3 blabla" then "blabla" do you mean CL, cultist, or both?

Pedit: if you're town stop being so scummy lmao

Yes, continue to try and force a mislim, and I'm the scummy one.

VOTE: Osuka
Play > mech?

Mislims are like shots. You just line'em'up and go.

Ah, fuck it

VOTE: osuka

If nothing else it will resolve any paranoia about Flea.

Well this confirms my suspicions

Do you think cult!flea avoids the wagons because they are both town or because one is CL?

You like dropping those little wifom seeds, doncha?

[Flea The Magician]

I just want

people to see this

VOTE: Osuka
Play > mech?

Because it's freaking awful.

[Flea The Magician]

Formatting done with area and mech tags. Area pops out, mech pops in.

Area used in this quote...

When you say "if t3 blabla" then "blabla" do you mean CL, cultist, or both?

Pedit: if you're town stop being so scummy lmao

Yes, continue to try and force a mislim, and I'm the scummy one.

VOTE: Osuka
Play > mech?

Mislims are like shots. You just line'em'up and go.

Right about here

Ah, fuck it

VOTE: osuka

If nothing else it will resolve any paranoia about Flea.

Well this confirms my suspicions

Do you think cult!flea avoids the wagons because they are both town or because one is CL?

You like dropping those little wifom seeds, doncha?

to highlight a section to you that I did see the Umlaut vote, and yes i am pretty much tunnelled in, because the more time passes the more confident I become. I lost my confidence a bit after D1, being wrong twice sucks.
I'm pretty sure it won't be a 3rd.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm 100% on that I was wrong on Osuka, and they're clear, and not friggen touchable as far as I'm bothered.

[Flea The Magician]

ok dwlee on what damned planet does CL screw themselves by not recruiting here?

[Flea The Magician]

Genuinely I was locked on voting you before, and now my vote is vacuum sealed on.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm 100% on that I was wrong on Osuka, and they're clear, and not friggen touchable as far as I'm bothered.

Notice the phrasing - no movement last night != clear/untouchable. It makes it more likely that they aren't CL, definitely, but Flea is trying to conflate his claimed result into a mechclear of the slot

Marky amma bop you again. Pronouns plz

For me Osuka is bias-clear. The odds of them no recruiting as CL are <1% and frankly if you're willing to chance the game on <1% then genuinely we're not winning this.

I cannot mechclear on a role that doesn't allow mech clear, marky. I can give as good as.

I'm going to double check the votes... this could be spicy.

[Flea The Magician]

Unofficial VC

Raya - t3,
Dwlee - flea
Osuka - Dwlee, umlaut, Marky, Enchant, Raya

8 in game requires 5 to void.

That was lim.

Now excuse me, while I get popcorn for the damn town flip.

[Flea The Magician]

Question is, is raya CL or not?

[Flea The Magician]

My dilemma now is who do I watch. assuming Osuka does not flip culted, a guilty is going to be a CL clear as the cult is capped at 3 and the CL cannot recruit. I need to hit the rolecop to elimate them from the elim pool.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah I got nothing. Both PRs are now outed, unless they're wanting to confirm my role, which would be stupid, cult just no-actions tonight.

[Flea The Magician]

If this is a cult flip, odds are I'll be culted to fill the gap because of the driving power I've had, in which case for town wincon you need to absolutely disregard me tomorrow no matter what I pull.

Gotta love these midgame alignment flips.

[Flea The Magician]

Enchant confirmed cult.

[Flea The Magician]

Safe to say we need to 100% hit CL... Even if by in absolute minimal chance cult NR'd, we cannot risk it.

Fwiw, Dwlee went nowhere, but this does nothing for us.

I'm still happy with Dwlee for now, T3 loses the pass from yesterday, I need to review Raya, Marky Mark i'm happy keeping off the table, Umlaut is another i need to reread

[Flea The Magician]

Flea the entire cult claimed to us with those three votes.

SO which one is CL?

[Flea The Magician]

OK I've heard you spout about Marky and Raya, if it's Marky then hats off to the fella he's welcome at mine for tea and biccies any day. Raya you've gone on about, I admit I've been lazy. I haven't read. I'm suspicious on Umlaut, what you thinking there, and same for T3.
Bear in mine, I'm reading what you're putting with a fine toothed come right now.

[Flea The Magician]

Marky has been active and encouranging conversation, looks to me like he's been keeping the game from going stagnant.

Raya uses she/her, ftr. If Raya is cult, I don't think the CL quickhammers like that and I will be treating her like I'm treating you, very carefully.

Sounds like T3 is off the table completely for you. I need to look at the T3 wagon formation I think...

[Flea The Magician]

So Osuka flipping town does reduce the liklihood of Flea!scum but Flea!scum/Enchant!town could still be a thing, esp given how scummy Flea was late D2 when avoiding taking a position on the Raya/T3 wagons

I took a rather firm position on T3 actually. This is a misrep on my stance.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

It's about the quickhammer. Literally overnight for me it looked so bad. The other part of it is just PoE. I'm just assuming T3 town for now and one of flea/enchant recruited gives me that raya/umlaut/you is cult leader here, and I townread umlaut based on day one play.

If you're actually town here, look at it from my POV. I had already explained why I SRed Osuka and had made it clear that I was going to vote there imminently. I lay my vote. Enchant votes soon after, but right now Flea is acting scummy AF, which means Enchant's town equity is decent, so maybe the timing is unusual but nothing that seemed massively sus to me at the time

Elaborate for me, would you? You keep saying I'm scummy af but giving nothing to support it, it's almost like you're trying to counterwagon on the TPR.

[Flea The Magician]

This game is giving me a headache.

I'm still 99% confident in Dwlee here.

[Flea The Magician]

Cult would quick hammer here, which is a concern.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Raya

[Flea The Magician]

\m/, indeed I was, My crumb was picked up on, by the wrong (right?) people

Major Minor I'm genuinely sorry but you genuinely gave me bad vibes

[Flea The Magician]

Honestly you can blame me for the town loss, I went too hard D1. Plan was go hard, cult won't touch me. Leave crumbs for if Iget culted beacuse hey thats my wincon at the time.

Then I got culted.

then it was well If I drop off now I'm screwed, thankfully town me is an idiot and I was able to dispose of my own culted crumbs, and I just had to keep power playing it ^-^;

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is as well, all results were true claimed. The Osuka lim should have never happened.

[Flea The Magician]

Can I just say that Maru is genuinely the trolliest mod on here and I absolutely love her

[Flea The Magician]

... Well.

I suppose i can still try to catch convert?

You can't rolestop yourself, so you're the target. Recruit can't be prevented.

Not sure if that counts as a win for you because you'd win with Cult as Parity, but PMs state Cult wins when we reach parity or it can't be prevented...

[Flea The Magician]

YOU SAW NOTHING

I saw everything and you know it <3

[Flea The Magician]

Nah not at all, it's a weird setup, and honestly as town I absolutely should not storm into D1 like that, I'm freaking awful at this game.

[Flea The Magician]

See my problem is, how do I categorise this on my wiki?

Is it a town game, a scum game, a 3P game or do I just gotta make a new section for "wtf"