Newbie 2066: Gelato 2 -- End!
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Well, you did give me a pagetop so there's that going for you...“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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This is my actual nightmare scenario. I fucking knew we were going to be the final three if it wasn't Vax.
Umlaut I saw your PR crumbs too. It was really obvious but it only added to my paranoia that HEM could actually be town and that you were going for a big brain play. I honestly hoped you were scum, since even if it meant my read on HEM was wrong then at least it didn't seem to be a guaranteed loss for town. Because if you were town and HEM was scum, you already had said you would vote me over HEM. My heart sank when I got your FN message.
This makes me feel a little less defeated at least, but I don't think you're going to vote HEM. He just convinced everyone to auto wagon Vax, even GIF who'd already said Vax would be confirmed town if T3 flipped as scum. Rock was almost a guaranteed elim on Day 2 but HEM completely switched that around almost effortlessly. Meanwhile, I've tried to push the slot literally all game and it never went through. He's just better at the game and I can't match that. And please don't take this as AtE because that's not what I'm trying to do here, I genuinely just don't think I can out-convince him. That's the exact reason why it's the three of us here. HEM knows he can out talk me and that you were already set to vote me over him, this is the best possible situation for him.In post 861, Umlaut wrote:
I'm going to take my time with this, because I'm not nearly as sure in reality of Roden over HEM as I acted like I was on d2.
My break's over, but I'll have more to say later. All I can do at this point is try to reason with you about things that just don't make sense. I'll leave you with this for now:
Do you think it makes any sense at all for me to bring you to a final three scenario if I'm scum? Why do I spare you and kill GIF when he not only hard town read me all game long, but also said he would likely vote Rock/HEM if Vax flipped green? Who does this final three benefit more: me or HEM?-
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Actually, how can you have seen my one PR crumb and not know the answer to that question?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Umlaut Jack of All Trades
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Don't mind me I'm just going to spend a few days rereading and scrutinizing everything until I've worked myself up into a state of inescapable paranoia and anxiety.“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I'm actually confident I know the answer but don't want to make assumptions.In post 881, Umlaut wrote:Actually, how can you have seen my one PR crumb and not know the answer to that question?
Because of what HEM said here.Umlaut wrote:Night 2, why does it matter?
There's only one reason he wants to go to ELo with you, he knows you're much less likely to vote him over me. However, he didn't set this up on Day 3, but onhumaneatingmonkey wrote:
I was confident it would flip scum, and if it wasn't I wanted to be set up to be placed in ELo with you (that's why I had a big sign that said 'I will elim Umlaut in ELo)In post 862, Umlaut wrote:HEM, care to explain why the push for such a fast hammer yesterday?Day 2. Immediately after you made your case against us, he tried to make a case that you were scum but didn't even bother voting for you. And when he saw me consider the possibility you were scum, he continued to push it. However, he's saying he knew all along that you were a FN and that he wanted us to be in ELo. But it doesn't make sense for town!HEM to set up a final three like this if he shouldn't have that information yet.
However, we know due to the set up that we're in Column B. The second scum has to be a Rolecop. I think HEM scum slipped this by admitting he knew you were FN when he shouldn't had known yet.
And if you want to make it even more obvious that he wanted the three of us in a final three scenario as early as Day 2:
This was a little while after the VCA discussion and right after Vax got fake hammered. He made it clear he would never allow Vax to make it to final three even when general consensus seemed to be that T3 and Vax weren't partners. I even say a few posts later that I still think HEM is bussing T3.In post 780, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm willing to lim T3 instead of Vax. But I'm not taking Vax to a possible ELo situation.
This is why Vax got flash wagoned btw. He set up the Vax mis-elim in the same post he bussed T3. He didn't give anyone any time to try to put pressure on him, because he absolutely needed to just get to the final three scenario as quickly as he could. GIF was there over VFP because GIF is stubborn and would be more likely to flash wagon Vax due to not wanting to be wrong. However, GIF never in a million years makes final three when he town reads me all game and said he would vote Rock/HEM if he was wrong about his reads, so of course he's the next NK.-
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In post 883, humaneatingmonkey wrote:"i saw your pr crumb too" but his heart sank that you were friendly neighbor
Leaving out context is always a 100% scum move.Roden wrote:Umlaut I saw your PR crumbs too. It was really obvious but it only added to my paranoia that HEM could actually be town and that you were going for a big brain play.My heart sank when I got your FN message.I honestly hoped you were scum, since even if it meant my read on HEM was wrong then at least it didn't seem to be a guaranteed loss for town. Because if you were town and HEM was scum, you already had said you would vote me over HEM.-
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Roden, why'd you go along with the insta-lim on Vax anyway?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Two reasons. One, because GIF went along with it and I trusted GIF at that point. And two, I honestly just wanted it to be Vax because that would be easier than our current final three situation.In post 890, Umlaut wrote:Roden, why'd you go along with the insta-lim on Vax anyway?-
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Wouldn't knowing I'm town be a reason to want to go to ELo with me, in the universe where he's town?“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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Yes, but he isn't town. And he seemed to know you were town and wanted to take you to ELoIn post 892, Umlaut wrote:Wouldn't knowing I'm town be a reason to want to go to ELo with me, in the universe where he's town?beforeyou sent him the FN message.
Thing is, he can't actually take you to ELo if he's town anyway. He has to claim I'm scum now, and alleges he wanted to trap me by saying he would vote you, but if that's true why would I knowingly walk into a trap if I'm scum? I would have to be the Rolecop, and I 100% would've checked you if that were true after you heavily hinted at having a PR on Day 2.
If I'm scum, don't I just kill you on Night 2? Why do I keep you alive when you possibly have a PR and openly stated you would vote me out if given the chance? GIF even pointed it out of his own accord that I would've killed him Night 1 if I was scum, since I thought he'd bread crumbed being a PR near the end of Day 1.
Do you at all think it's likely that scum never once attempts to night kill people who bread crumb PRs? If I'm scum, what do I gain from keeping you alive and killing VFP and GIF when both town read me?-
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Spoiler: Thoughts from T3's ISO re. Roden and Rockhopper/HEM“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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I was just about to read through your ISO actually, I'm sure I'll have some“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,and the other kind,’ and those whodon’tsay. Well, then there’s me.” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs-
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