Micro 1023 - The Coalition: TBotITGBSMoD [game over]

[The Coalition]

[hea]Coalition[/heal]
HEAL: Implosion
HEAL: Iverson
HEAL: Black Ranger
HEAL: Uncle Shelby

[The Coalition]

fuck
HEAL: Coalition

[The Coalition]

HEAL: Iverson, Black Ranger, Uncle Shelby, GuiltyLion, Vulture

WELCOME TO THE PIZZA KIDS COALITION

THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT YOU LIKE PIZZA-PEPPERONI, MOZARELLA AND ANCHOVY-THE MEMBERS ABOVE ARE ALL PROVISIONAL

excluding me scummy tbh,

HURT: Iverson

[The Coalition]

I already know this setup fairly well, I'd like you lot who I have not seen play it demonstrate your own understanding of it so I can see your thought processes.

I want to be the first town to successfully get a pure coalition going.

[The Coalition]

Also I recognize literally almost none of you, so this should be fun.

[The Coalition]

HEAL: The Cheek of Gamma

[The Coalition]

Feeling GL & Coalition are not aligned.
GL likely more town, Coalition RQS type opening giving my eyebrow some bounce.

~ C

Why? To both

[The Coalition]

Waiting for ur answer btw so I can continue my line of thought without suggestion btw

[The Coalition]

HURT: Cheek of Gamma
HEAL: Vulture

datisi is going to murder me for being so indecisive

[The Coalition]

Waiting for ur answer btw so I can continue my line of thought without suggestion btw

Just early feels. Don't let me hold you up.

~ C

well there was a particular reason for it, so I was hoping those who had spoken before me might answer the question.

[The Coalition]

i should have hydra'd for this, this setup is much more fun in a hydra

[The Coalition]

guiltylion is howling

[The Coalition]

@Shelby, how do you know me?

[The Coalition]

I'm terrible at town hunting, so this should be a fun exercise. I think I'll probably just scum hunt for both and whoever is not leaning nai/scum can go in the coalition.

~ C

HURT: Black Ranger
HEAL: Cheek of Gamma

[The Coalition]

I feel like this gamestate should spew me town because someone who is named "the coalition" clearly would be a threat to scum ergo the lack of initial trust from literally anyone should be indicative that I'm town from that but i guess thats just me being TMI on my own slot

[The Coalition]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

[The Coalition]

Implo reasoning has depth ergo - >rand towny. I have never played with them and they give the vibe they're a good player so holistically this isn't a solid reason but I'm going to stick to it for the purpose of coalition building.

[The Coalition]

also general suggestion is to use the coalition itself as pressure as it scares scum a lot more to see their name excluded on lists. I had people voting me in the last iteration and it had 0 effect on pressure(I was town tho), but seeing ppl not include my name made me feel pressured to get on.

[The Coalition]

Bad reasoning doesn't mean its not complex reasoning.

[The Coalition]

datisi deserve to suffer for making me get an avi so do it

[The Coalition]

Bad reasoning doesn't mean its not complex reasoning.

Cool. Why's this not apply to GL? Do I get the same benefit of the doubt?

Their reasoning isn't complex to me

[The Coalition]

I can be sure on some slots and be unsure on others, anything else, scum?

[The Coalition]

everytime someone tries to claim they caught me within the first 5 pages of a game, they've flipped scum so get fucked u got caught early.

[The Coalition]

Gamma's scumgame has actually evolved a lot in the past couple months, what may have caught them in the past won't catch them anymore. But him pointing this out himself in response to a townread on him is something that I wouldn't assign to his scumrange

[The Coalition]

Are you actually confident on those names?

[The Coalition]

I don't care how far I get with you lol

[The Coalition]

plus I don't need to convince to you that you yourself are scum, I just need to convince 4 others who aren't your buddy.

[The Coalition]

this is basically a main claim, but I randed scum with gamma and their usual weaknesses I've seen in the past were not present anymore.

[The Coalition]

People can see my current top 4 townreads based on my coalition.

[The Coalition]

that reminds me
HURT: Shelby
HEAL: Iverson

[The Coalition]

look GL, you basically are confscum to me based on the way you interacted with my slot. Unless you show some genuine thought AND I feel uneasy about finding 4 people outside of you, I'm just going to ignore you.

[The Coalition]

implo, what level would you rank your scumplay at in terms of mimicing town thought?

[The Coalition]

your lines are like so extremely appealing to my reading method it almost scares me which is why I ask LOL

[The Coalition]

Normally I'd agree but I think this setup does discourage early game TMI townreads due to the possibility of autoloss with a correct 5-townblock. I could maybe see scum thinking that handing out key early townreads might buy the towncred needed to get themself into a coalition, but specifically Vulture at that point in particular I'm not sure would have been an attractive slot to TR for towncred.

You do have a point that it wasn't necessarily a strong commitment from Implosion at the time, so I guess we'll see where it goes, but on average I do think people who are more liberal with the townreads early game are going to be more likely town here

ok I MIGHT understand not seeing that GL is howling b4 this point because you don't have the knowledge of my role pM but like ....... this is blatant scummery of planting ideas to subtly suggest one is town. unfortunate for GL, this contradicts also their scumread on me because it shows their uncharitableness. I feel they targeted me in particular because they are very pressured and threatened by my coalition because it is pure and avoids their partner.

[The Coalition]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

[The Coalition]

just as an added thought to my previous post, in my experience when scum try to frame me as scum - they'll attack my playstyle primarily, because it is easily framed as scummy. (fact is, I can mimic it nearly perfectly between town/scum so its NAI) - and their insistence about garbage(that yes, is scum indicative for the average scum player who hates playing scum) like "LAMIST" shit is the type of stuff I'd expect scum to try to point out to push what appears to be a reasonable scumread.

[The Coalition]

iverson, even if you don't townread implo yet, at least take the gas off and try elsewhere. I don't think you're SvT at all and definitely not SvS.

This is a little rich considering your stance on GL.

~ C

the difference is my read is right

[The Coalition]

Just so I understand how this works, we all choose our coalitions then there's a vote of which coalition is best, is that right?
~ C

5 people have to vote the exact same list of 5 people

[The Coalition]

that's why we have 2 weeks

[The Coalition]

My initial list was me+the 4 people below me in the playerlist. I haven't bothered to swap every readchange but Vulture should go in so far.

lmaoooo WAIT, I did the same too

yours had GL

GL also buddying you


yeah LMAO

[The Coalition]

big brain time

[The Coalition]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

[The Coalition]

i want no part of any coalition with GL on it
VOTE: GuiltyLion

fun fact you can queue up an elimination to occur right after a coalition passes.

I want to see it happen this game.

[The Coalition]

literally where?

they were like "oh what townreads do u disagree with"

I don't recall anything that remotely resembles charitability

Ok, let's start over. Let's say GL has never interacted with you, ignoring those posts and looking at what's left, why do you think he's scum?
~C

I am currently too busy to read ISOs - but I will come back to this.

[The Coalition]

but one thing I did notice was the difference in treatment of iverson and I and the coincidence of iverson having them as a coalition choice

[The Coalition]

no one here who has played with me will take that interpretation of me seriously so have fun ~~

[The Coalition]

my method of scumhunting has always been "analyze the thought process not the content" so fuck off <3

[The Coalition]

im gonna come back later when I am not at risk of saying something that will get me banned

[The Coalition]

Righto, is it too early to ask what you think of Uncle Shelby so far?
~C

I tend to be suspicious of it when people project charisma/confidence in early scumreads

like 60, but other than that I don't really have much either way. I didn't like the Vulture push as it was a bit of an easy one but it's also not difficult to imagine coming from town, I'm waiting to see how they re-evaluate/update their reads on return to the thread

HOLY FUCK THIS KID IS FUCKING HOWLING LIKE FUCKING YALL ARE BLIND BYE

[The Coalition]

HURT: All
HEAL: The Coalition
HEAL: Iverson
HEAL: Implosion

i'm out for real now.

[The Coalition]

hah, fair enough, I should have expected that

how well do you know Koba? I've never played with them but I am not liking anything they've done this game, do you think you can read them reliably? I'd encourage duo-ISOing our slots and seeing what kinda way you feel about both of us

I've literally never misread koba in my life

which one is koba

The Coalition

They're probably your scumbuddy

easiest game of my life

its scum theatre

good morning, pooky is lying and their read has brain worms. slot is still town. if pooky maintains this I will just shut them up with every game they've blatantly misread me in <3

also i see the linked scum games from GL and will look at them later. in retrospect they've been showing a lot of depth in their posts and i've been straight up ignoring that in lieu of my ego being hurt.

and sorry for the outburst last night, i still get tilted by shade on my slot for shit that isn't even AI for me. I get pushed on d1 nearly every game. This shows that people in general just can't accurately read my early game and to a person who has never played with me - it leans more they think they can push me for what I say because for whatever reason my playstyle looks "scummy" to people.

[The Coalition]

are you going to only post images all game

[The Coalition]

UNVOTE:

[The Coalition]

boring

[The Coalition]

HEAL: Art GuiltyLion Gamma Emerald Vulture Pooky

easiest game of my life

Why is art a townread for you?

[The Coalition]

That's the same level of reasoming that got us putting scoobs on the coalition last game

[The Coalition]

also i see the linked scum games from GL and will look at them later. in retrospect they've been showing a lot of depth in their posts and i've been straight up ignoring that in lieu of my ego being hurt.

and sorry for the outburst last night, i still get tilted by shade on my slot for shit that isn't even AI for me. I get pushed on d1 nearly every game. This shows that people in general just can't accurately read my early game and to a person who has never played with me - it leans more they think they can push me for what I say because for whatever reason my playstyle looks "scummy" to people.

I can def understand being frustrated with being pushed on d1 for shitty reasons as town and I apologize if the way I was pushing them made you feel minimized or unable to play your way

I'm not sold this post means a town!Coalition but I do want to dial back from fixing my gamestate view via that early scumread I was operating from and reset a little bit, I definitely think if we're both town then removing both of us from the Coalition prob gives scum a cakewalk to make it into the next phase, I'll give you some space and focus elsewhere for a bit.

I have a bad habit as town of trying to bend the gamestate around my reads and while it works really well when my reads are good, it can fuck things up if I'm wrong and it does make me more prone to being manipulative towards how others play or form their own reads. It recently let scum push me as the game-winning miselimination in Divide and Conquer because I had given town enough reasons to be paranoid about me and I don't want to set myself up for the same pitfall here

lol part of why I dialed back was like - your playstyle here reminds me a lot of my own. like strikingly similar. thus why it makes sense we arrived at similar townreads like you said - because we read the game in a very similar manner

[The Coalition]

something i noticed this morning is that I got the vibe the black ranger entered the game playing in a way that feels "safe". Not coalitioning that slot likely.

[The Coalition]

that being said,

v/la until potentially august 5th, not necessary unable to play but I have other things i need to get done IRL and mafia is getting in the way

[The Coalition]

Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are

Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.

[The Coalition]

GL reasoning works backwards, starting at "this person is X" and then tries to manufacture reasons for it. I'm not sure where people get townreads on that but its like blatantly scum and I'm vetoing all coalitions with them on it.

a) where do you see me doing that?
b) Do you disagree with any of my townreads (Iverson, Cheek, Vulture) in my coalition? If not, this is a bizarrely harsh reaction to the fact that I'm scumreading you

I really liked 94. The "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" vibe I'm getting does read completely like bravado and may even be performative. How has The Coaltion being outed as Koba as of post 128 effected how you feel about the theatrics of their behavior?

Also, what experience do you have with Koba? I'm looking over MN 2199 (starting at day 2) and MN 2205 to spot a difference.

Did you spot the difference?

[The Coalition]

Also i figured out Iverson= Nexus, only person who is offended by my mere existence. If anyone has meta on them. Still think they're town from a fresh perspective though.

[The Coalition]

Art is scum.
I can't really put my finger on it but the way they're viewing the game is very 1 dimensional.
Also has to do with who i think they are

Its all "this post good so player good" and vague assignments like logic/tone that aren't even valid tools outside of pushing out of RVS.
After their accusation of putting implo and i as teamed i realized their pov is completely whack and their perspective is not town here.

Who's your ideal coalition atm?
~ C

me, implo, pooky, CL, you

[The Coalition]

HURT: Pooky

[The Coalition]

HEAL: Vulture
HEAL: gamma hydra

[The Coalition]

irl still busy, townreads are who i have coalitioned still

[The Coalition]

Fuck that replace out.

[The Coalition]

lol @ koba saying I cant read them

default scumreading me isn't really reading me lets be real

[The Coalition]

I was building a gamestate around your slot and then Nexus decided they're too good to play in this game and replace out making their reasoning clear which essentially OGId the slot