Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwe (i think) made a good point earlier that Ircher hasn't exactly been an advisory role to town even if you do take into account he intentionally wasn't scumhunting or forming reads.

You think?
Credits where credits are due, that was ME.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ops i forgot.
*Cough*

That was me!★ ;P

[NorwegianboyEE]

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Votecount 1.20

[4] Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet

[3] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Chara, clidd

[1] Infinity 324:

Tanner

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

[4] Not Voting:

Ircher, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Amy Dunne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

Stop stealing MT's VC's you impostor.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I guess I'm ok with an ircher elim

What changed your mind?

[NorwegianboyEE]

imagine if we... flash-wagoned infinity...

What do i get in exchange if i vote there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

my undying love and affection

Ok let’s go.
To VOTE: Infinity and beyond!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

do you scumread him or is this a paranoia read?

I’m paranoid he’s secretly typing:

post 28

got norwee pocketed hard and he’s floundering in the wrong direction

Post 16

amy fell for it. what an easy game!

But no, i do think he’s likely just town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Infinity still feels like an alien that’s uncomfortable wearing their human skin suit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Infinity: "Ircher elim not good!"

"Ah! Infinity changed their mind. Ircher elim...maybe...good?? Ircher isn’t sure why they suddenly changed their mind, but they did apparently. Now to explain why they are townie again."

[NorwegianboyEE]

So.. No reaction from Infinity?

I think it's kinda sus how they're saying: "they don't know how to react". If i had a townread that was very suspicious of me i would try really hard to convince the person why i am town here, and i feel like that is something Infinity would put energy into doing based on meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.

I don't need a scum PT to laugh at you

you're adoorbs <3

Pook in his PT:

[NorwegianboyEE]

How about we all stay a bit more co-operative by having attitudes that are more like: "Sure it's not my preferred elimination but we can eliminate X, however if they flip town we're absolutely doing Y tomorrow." instead of having this constant battle of actually getting a wagon through because some person keeps saying they think there is 0.1% chance that slot could be town so we all need to unvote and wagon their preferred scumread since they won't use their vote any other way.
Maybe that thing about there being 6 scum and 7 town is true for this game too and it's impossible to actually wagon scum because town just never agrees on one good elimination.

I would hammer any of Ircher/Nakata/Infinity, just let a wagon get to E-1 so i can hammer them PLEASE.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think Datisi has a point about Robert. Their activity seems to be directly correlated with how strongly they are being pushed.
Which doesn't necessarily have to be scummy, but it sure feels like it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I figured it out.
The scum win condition is for the day to end in no elimination.
If we make an elimination we win.
That’s why Ircher isn’t voting!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well it was worth an consideration.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is the meaning of "criminal" anyway? Maybe it's actually saying that from Yin's perspective they are "criminals", but Yin is on the side of bad and therefore he is actually referring to town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think if we wagoned scum we’re probably just never getting them limmed because nobody has the balls too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i wish i could spoil the big surprise, but i don’t know if theres a big surprise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tweetie you're the only person I can trust I think.

Or are you part of the conspiracy >.>

Why do you only trust him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Her*

[NorwegianboyEE]

Genuinely going to better doing my own thing aren't I...

I am officially frustrated with this game.

If you don’t place your vote on an leading wagon and afterwards complain about being frustrated, i’m really not going to care.

[NorwegianboyEE]

As was said, there is plurality elim in deadline Amy.
So it will probably be an lottery of which runner up wagon flips. Assuming it was more than one. (I remember Ircher being E-1 at least.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless it’s plurality of the current wagons?

@Hectic Which is it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Amy if you vote Nakata we can put them to E1 right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tanner should already know if Yin is being real or bullshitting here. Assuming criminal means an anti-town role. As Yin is directly saying Datisi is a ‘criminal’

Do you have anything to share about what you think it could mean Datisi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

...do people have reads on flea?

For me they’re just kinda there. Nothing really pinged me either way. Though that they’re not joining any feasible wagons and going on this dumb push nobody will join on Tanner could be slightly town indicative, as if they’re scum and any of the rising wagons are on town why not just vote there and call it a day?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would scum be scum and do scummy things?? ??

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like not everyone has the power to "ascend" when called out for being scummy and immediately fix all their mistakes and look like a town Norse god.
Only Chara can do that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sometimes as scum you just feel trapped and can’t do anything because you don’t feel strong enough to beat the town.
Infinity seems like that type of person.

[NorwegianboyEE]

By your logic scum never makes scummy posts ever in history because scum always avoids doing anything scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Clidd. The scum are who then? MT and Tanner because they never do anything scummy?
Go in league with Nakata then i suppose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scummy by definition is: "likely to come from the mafia allignment"
So saying a post is scummy directly means you’re saying: "coming from the mafia allignment", you can’t then turn around and say it actually makes them town.
Granted, the word you might be looking for could be: "anti-town" as both town and scum can do some extremely anti-town actions that doesn’t necesarilly prove whether their allignment is leaning one way or the other. Take N_M hammering for instance. He’d do it as scum and town. But it’s always anti-town.
So if you actually meant anti-town please consider using that word from now on or clarifying you didn’t mean that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not sure if Infinity is the case.

Do you have meta evidencing Infinity is more likely town in this case?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, so what's your point?

That i disagree with your: "Infinity is town for making a scummy post" take.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What manner of finding scum do you use if you don’t think mafia are dumb enough to make mistakes and slip up?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to make another big rant but i think it’s about time i shut up and let other people talk too.
But friendly reminder that we have less than 24 hours left so let’s not dick around too much and just consolidate already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why not just point out they’ve been an wet potato sack this entire time. I’ve been saying for for days.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wouldn’t scumread someone just for not being here, but it being in conjunction with everything else that’s sus about Infinity is what makes them look worse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have put in other efforts around the mech work. the questions Yin hasn't answered has been around 1 or 2 players.
I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.
My sus list is every player that has been in a response from yin, and number of times they've been asked about, which is for my own methods. The grouplist is the one to worry about.

Like I said from the start, we could've coordinated questions to try and work this out, but nooooooooooo fleas a funkiller.

I don't really scumread Tanner, and i think that's a slot that tends to get N1'ed or N2'ed in so many games if town that they'll just get automatically caught as scum before then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Let me explain why i'm so confident Infinity is scum here.
So i've played one game with town!Infinity before and their general town playstyle struck me as VERY similar to mine, hence they were an really easy townread and we both recognized each other pretty much immediately as town. In this game she's also called me town but i think it's just been an pocketing attempt.
They have this form of obvious town playstyle where they always explain their thought process in an very clear manner and stay heavily engaged in the game, they also fight tooth and nail for their reads.
Here it's basically 2020 scum!Norwee popping it's head into Infinity's game where they try to coast but do it in an really fake and artificial manner, and when they get caught on it by someone they purport to townread they just freeze completely and ghost the thread. It's an cry for help, an cry about rolling scum. And the only cure is to eliminate them like putting down an sad puppy. Which is always an terrible thing to do, but it's got to be done.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Keeping in mind that i would have been willing to listen to Infinity and consider they might have been town the entire time, but they instead chose to ignore the issue and escape. Which showcases an guilty mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok Isis.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believed in you being town all this time Pooky.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did you kill me Hectic.
I thought we were friends.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gj Norwegianboy, thanks for the efforts Norwegianboy, good on you for singlehandedly saving the town Norwegianboy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

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[NorwegianboyEE]

Gg but scum mispayed this. First off, Pooky has a history of paranoing on both Ydrasse and Chara, so scum should have NK’d him > Norwee.

But apparently Hectic decided to make the scum nightkill target me, contrarily to the mafia team's wishes.
So blame Hectic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did anyone figure out I'm not Isis?

Oh Isis.
You sure know how to make us laugh.