Open 825 - PYP X/Y: HoS_S [game over!]

[Something_Smart]

Thor, why don't you want to reveal your main? I doubt many people would remember you or know who you are, so it wouldn't mean anything to most people.

[Auro]

Two more: PenguinPower and the worst.
Also, have CSF and Bee been townreads for you for a large part of the game?

This has nothing to do with you being 'defensive', it's part of me figuring out what utility you derived from engagements (apart from convincing people of something, we can get to that later).

[Miss Midnight]

Scum. Unsure. Yes.

Question for you to ponder. Is the important part to you "deriving utility" from engagements, or the attempt to do so in the first place?

[Miss Midnight]

If this whole interaction has been your roundabout way of asking me my reads, there are more straightforward ways to go about that.

[Bee]

MM, what are your reads?

Spoiler:

I feel like there’s a lot people either miss in translation with you or choose not to because you seem to be clear in what you’re saying and making an effort to do so in your processes. I thought that the point about your energy levels and when you pop up and how you do to be a pretty good thought beyond just lol frozen scum but ultimately your content has like... a precision to it that I’m uninterested in voting out ATM and would rather pick your brain or have you spew it out for us. :>

[PenguinPower]

Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

[Bee]

Also I have some thoughts regarding Thor and they’re funny ones but he shouldn’t have to out his alt.

[Auro]

Question for you to ponder. Is the important part to you "deriving utility" from engagements, or the attempt to do so in the first place?

Usually you can figure why someone thought their attempt was one worth making.

Last interactions: Penguin says there's no such thing as "evidence" on D1. You argue that there's a lot more readable content providing far more value than a flip. Penguin argues that behaviour can influence feelings and actions, but only revealed truth is evidence. You mention you just seem to use it in different ways and end the conversation.

Is your scumread on Penguin largely based off this interaction?

[Titus]

To be clear, I actually do think it could be possible that Thor is scum and also made that mistake. I just disagree that it's not a mistake, or was made intentionally to townslip.

Here's my problem with Thor's "townslip". It violates what we were asked to confirm. We were asked to pick an individual role, not a side. Therefore, I struggle to believe someone who planned his plan for a day didn't even double check this assertion.

If he had double checked his assertion, then his assertion would have made the draft cop a second role cop. They wouldn't need separate names.

Secondly, his theory puts us bo closer to winning. Let's suppose everyone follows his plan. Great, we have no separate clears from as if we didn't.

However, we could get lost in setup spec and give PR slips all over the place.

VOTE: Thor

[Titus]

Thor, why don't you want to reveal your main? I doubt many people would remember you or know who you are, so it wouldn't mean anything to most people.

As much as I think Thor is scum, it's his right to play on sn alt. As long as he doesn't use meta, it's pretty fair.

[Datisi]

vote count 1.26

with 14 votes in play, it takes 8 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-09-03 17:20:00).

yeet

ManateeGal [6]:

Bee, Gamma Emerald, Thor Ragnarok, the worst, Flea The Magician, PenguinPower

Miss Midnight [2]:

House, Auro

Flea The Magician [1]:

Cat Scratch Fever

Gamma Emerald [1]:

Miss Midnight

Enchant [1]:

ManateeGal

Thor Ragnarok [1]

Titus

not voting [2]:

Something_Smart, Enchant

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[Titus]

I hate the ManateeGal wagon ftr. My money is on Thor and Flea scum.

[Miss Midnight]

Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

To be clear, my problem with you isn't that you don't seem to be

engaging

people to get reads, my problem with you is that it doesn't seem like you have any reads at all, nor are you making any effort to do so. It seems to me like you've basically said yourself that this is the case? What with the whole "day ones are useless" and such.

[Miss Midnight]

Last interactions: Penguin says there's no such thing as "evidence" on D1. You argue that there's a lot more readable content providing far more value than a flip. Penguin argues that behaviour can influence feelings and actions, but only revealed truth is evidence. You mention you just seem to use it in different ways and end the conversation.

Is your scumread on Penguin largely based off this interaction?

No. My scumread on Penguin came before that interaction. I do think that he is using that mostly as an excuse though, and so take it as mildly scum indicative, but it's not largely based off that interaction.

[Flea The Magician]

I hate the ManateeGal wagon ftr. My money is on Thor and Flea scum.

You lost money in that case.

If you said OR, then maybe.

[Miss Midnight]

Like I said. I think that 1 day 22 hours on the clock is really not the best time to be pressure wagoning someone. Also, this is another "level zero" thought similar to what I said about Flea and Enchant, but I think that the lack of any real counterwagon movement to Manatee is weak evidence that scum don't have any problem with the current state of affairs. It's possible Manatee is being bussed, but I think that's like the third possible world I would be considering here. (That's not just an expression, it really is the third.)

[PenguinPower]

Also, you don't need to engage people to get reads.

To be clear, my problem with you isn't that you don't seem to be

engaging

people to get reads, my problem with you is that it doesn't seem like you have any reads at all, nor are you making any effort to do so. It seems to me like you've basically said yourself that this is the case? What with the whole "day ones are useless" and such.

So, your problem with me is admittedly a playstyle issue which goes back to my comment about you wanting people to fit into your mold.

To be clear - which if you were reading with actual intent to understand you would have understood - I have reads, but I have no strong reads. It's day 1 and there's nothing to form a strong opinion off. There are people I wouldn't wagon or vote out today! There are also lots of people that I would!

[Miss Midnight]

Another random note for the record, I also think that Titus has a decent shot at being scum. I am simply not going to elaborate any more on this read right now other than "I disvibe her posting votes and scumreads."

[PenguinPower]

It's possible Manatee is being bussed

With an inactive scum buddy that's not unlikely!

[Miss Midnight]

I think there's more utility in doing in on a later day. But like I said, it's possible. At the moment think it's more likely not the case though.

[Miss Midnight]

So, your problem with me is admittedly a playstyle issue which goes back to my comment about you wanting people to fit into your mold.

To be clear - which if you were reading with actual intent to understand you would have understood - I have reads, but I have no strong reads. It's day 1 and there's nothing to form a strong opinion off. There are people I wouldn't wagon or vote out today! There are also lots of people that I would!

You keep saying that I try to "fit people in my mold". I'm not sure if you think that it works to discredit what I'm saying or what. Maybe it does. But I think it's pretty clear that that isn't the case, like I talked about earlier when it comes to my reads on S_S, Manatee (and also maybe Enchant) and as I recall you mostly just brushed off.

You say you have reads but no strong reads. Okay. That isn't what this is about to me. To me, this is about a lack of demonstrable evidence for that first claim, that you have reads, even if they're not strong ones. As I said earlier, with the way that you engage people on various topics I would expect some of that style of engagement to also happen on the subject of some reads you have, or even just one. But I don't see that pattern of behavior in your play so far.

[PenguinPower]

Again - you are expecting my play to fit into what you view as town play. You are specifically stating that. What you expect is not how I play and can be seen

with evidence

if you actually gave a fuck.

I'm pretty done with you. Bye bye.

[PenguinPower]

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: MM

[Titus]

Sads here PP. Lots of sads.

MM, PP is town.

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