Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[ManateeGal]

I am not communicating well tonight

I thought manatee was highlighting a dissonance in the thought process going from the second to the first

They're so far apart, I figured the earliest one wasn't an intentional quote.

thats on me, my apologies.

[ManateeGal]

I am not communicating well tonight

I thought manatee was highlighting a dissonance in the thought process going from the second to the first

They're so far apart, I figured the earliest one wasn't an intentional quote.

thats on me, my apologies.

if you did have a reason for quoting it, please explain, though!

i was just confused as to why you were asking me of all people about dunn's take being crazy when another one of your heads echoed the sentiment

[ManateeGal]

im going to be honest and say i missed the claim lol. gonna find it brb

i see no reason not to clear the slot unless im fundamentally misunderstanding smth

[ManateeGal]

I am not communicating well tonight

I thought manatee was highlighting a dissonance in the thought process going from the second to the first

They're so far apart, I figured the earliest one wasn't an intentional quote.

thats on me, my apologies.

if you did have a reason for quoting it, please explain, though!

i was just confused as to why you were asking me of all people about dunn's take being crazy when another one of your heads echoed the sentiment

That was bell reacting to Dunn's vote of us. The context is how Dunn interpreted my post to notsci. I think the misinterpretation was genuine.

OH my apologies again then

[ManateeGal]

@medea why would the rhea claim need processing in relation to me? there was no way i was getting nked as either alignment and anything further is just me not lying abt my human/demon status

[ManateeGal]

@medea why would the rhea claim need processing in relation to me? there was no way i was getting nked as either alignment and anything further is just me not lying abt my human/demon status

She has stated you're not clear but this is a THING she does akin to faking a inno on you to see how you'd react. I want o know her OPINION about how the claim went down around you.

Does she find you town for your reaction?
Or scum for it?
Or think that not enough data come of it so write it off as a tax loss?

is this not rheas first game?? she stated in thread she just wanted to verify i wasnt lying about my status

[ManateeGal]

medea i think i am just disconnecting with a lot of what youre saying regarding rhea bc it seems based on your experiences with (niamh?) despite them both iterating that theyre different people. i dont think there should be an expectation of a similar playstyle. LLD feel free to correct me if im wrong

[ManateeGal]

boop

[ManateeGal]

mech spec is confusing me. i dont know if no kill automatically implies shards were distributed considering rhea hid behind me and couldve been saved as well

[ManateeGal]

cool!! much less confused ty all

[ManateeGal]

hey lukewarm! got time 2 chat?

[ManateeGal]

hey lukewarm! got time 2 chat?

I am here off and on, what up?

i am curious abt your thoughts regarding the Titus wagon considering you founded it. do you have an idea or guess abt who might be scum on it? i think you might have the best perspective on this

[ManateeGal]

medea do you have a game u could point an uninitiated little guy like me towards in regards to your ceph case

[ManateeGal]

Which game did you want linked?

suprise me

[ManateeGal]

hey lukewarm! got time 2 chat?

I am here off and on, what up?

i am curious abt your thoughts regarding the Titus wagon considering you founded it. do you have an idea or guess abt who might be scum on it? i think you might have the best perspective on this

Over night, I was actually looking at Medea for the way they positioned around the wagon. (see my first post of the day) So that is where I was looking when I actually had brain power dedicated to looking, but now the dunn claim kind of cuts that line of thinking off...

I was also disappointed that we never gave her a chance to full claim / flavor claim. Seeing her flip, I actually think that that probably would have bought her out of the day 1 elim, since she could have confirmed the fruit vendor without us first powering her up. But it is hard to be too mad about that, since I never really championed for us to hold off. I was really really sure x.x

So I guess the Pooky surprise hammer was probably the vote that stood out the most to me. He seemed to buy the claim, then medea expressed doubt on the wagon, then he hammered without declaring intent.

thats kind of where my mind went as well. i feel a bit more assured knowing my thought process mirrors yours. much 2 think abt

[ManateeGal]

Which game did you want linked?

suprise me

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85923
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85629
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84090 (Cephrir was Caster in this)

will try to get through like 2 of these tonight

[ManateeGal]

I got the theme music too

holy shit

[ManateeGal]

Which game did you want linked?

suprise me

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85923
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85629
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84090 (Cephrir was Caster in this)

will try to get through like 2 of these tonight

I should point out that my only scum game of recent times (minus the one that got canceled) was as a hydra WITH cephrir.

duly noted

[ManateeGal]

Which game did you want linked?

suprise me

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=85923
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=85629
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=84090 (Cephrir was Caster in this)

will try to get through like 2 of these tonight

ok this was a lie i'll be lucky with one

[ManateeGal]

pooky can u count the tops

[ManateeGal]

unwnd what does gth mean cos i keep reading it as go to hell

[ManateeGal]

hey rhea! do u have any thoughts abt my reaction to your invest on me? medea seems to have taken great stock in it.

[ManateeGal]

Pooky I meant what I said

You're gonna have to do something amazingly town for me at this rate

You won't however, so I'm leaving it up to chance

The sea shall decide your fate

awww hes shy :<

[ManateeGal]

@medea why would the rhea claim need processing in relation to me? there was no way i was getting nked as either alignment and anything further is just me not lying abt my human/demon status

She has stated you're not clear but this is a THING she does akin to faking a inno on you to see how you'd react. I want o know her OPINION about how the claim went down around you.

Does she find you town for your reaction?
Or scum for it?
Or think that not enough data come of it so write it off as a tax loss?

this @rhea

[ManateeGal]

Do you think manatees reaction to your hider result was town, scum, or null?

bugging u abt this one rhea

[ManateeGal]

Do you think manatees reaction to your hider result was town, scum, or null?

bugging u abt this one rhea

i feel like im missing smth? do you think this is a question/discussion for cabd?

[ManateeGal]

i can stick around for a bit rhea

not sure if i'll be as effective as annie but i'll try my best

[ManateeGal]

you want to answer when cab is here?

do you want to hear cabs opinion first?

[ManateeGal]

it seems im not needed :0

gn all

[ManateeGal]

do u not want 2 claim cos im here?

?

yea i dont have a good response besides just being genuinely confused. do you think my response here is scum-indicative

[ManateeGal]

yea thats my queue to sleep

[ManateeGal]

thank you rhea, i just do want to talk to you and hopefully sort through stuff but i felt like you didnt want to engage at all :/ im just as guilty when it comes to miscontruing your message
i'd like to have a conversation with you at some point but i understand if now isnt the time
i really should sleep tho xd

[ManateeGal]

hi! realized im absolutely shit at drawing meta conclusions so unwnd your reasoning behind voting cephtd would be nice

[ManateeGal]

I still want to elim pooky today.

[ManateeGal]

might fuck around and case pooky

[ManateeGal]

pag

[ManateeGal]

etop

[ManateeGal]

anything game-related to say?

pooky case later probably

[ManateeGal]

ur the best

[ManateeGal]

<3

[ManateeGal]

pooky ur so charasmatic i almost dont wanna lim you

[ManateeGal]

who is yall?

[ManateeGal]

maybe i'll write fic instead of casing pooky

[ManateeGal]

is this getting obnoxious?

[ManateeGal]

AA9 i dont remember your opinion on me going beyond "she changed her read on me=scum"

[ManateeGal]

you said you werent a fan of the htbd wagon, im also not. do you have any thoughts on the pooky wagon

[ManateeGal]

pooooky dont be like this

[ManateeGal]

pooky could you explain why you thought spiffehs read on you was soft? im not seeing it

[ManateeGal]

do you hold that opinion of anyone else on your wagon?

[ManateeGal]

hmm. im voting you bc i think the hammer was scummy, but on top of that your reaction to spiffehs case on you was super weird. i didnt see a lack of conviction from him, and your response asking for agression from him looked like you wanted something to rebuke. your lack of drive to engage in comparison to htbd makes you a lot easier to vote for me right now.

[ManateeGal]

i'm engaging you right now!

yea bc i asked you a question!! last time we were both hanging around you didnt ask me any

[ManateeGal]

pooky what would you state as a reason for someone to townread you given the current gamestate?

[ManateeGal]

aaaand theyre gone

[ManateeGal]

ManateeGal other than Pooky who are some of your scum reads and why?

currently working through that in my head. i dont think any of my d1 scumreads were right so that means i need to re-evaluate some of my townreads besides pooky.

my head keeps defaulting to AA9 before remembering that comparison btwn that one game where aa9 and annie interacted in the exact same way as town (i think im remembering this right)?

outside of my townreads is snarky which im super iffy on bc i keep meaning 2 reread their iso but i dont have experience with bell the same way other people dropping townreads on them r

besides pooky im not feeling confident which is a tad disconcerting but its why they r my target 4 the day

[ManateeGal]

ok sure aa9 can be town

[ManateeGal]

worming my way into everyones townreads

[ManateeGal]

pooky did u read that whole thing

[ManateeGal]

once again asking abt an acronym; etl this time

[ManateeGal]

oh yea that makes sense ty

[ManateeGal]

first

[ManateeGal]

im also demonic! someone corrupted me so it only took me one shard to get there

[ManateeGal]

im also demonic! someone corrupted me so it only took me one shard to get there

When were you corrupted?

N2

[ManateeGal]

shaking and shivering rn

[ManateeGal]

i almost fell off a cliff yesterday! i probably need to pick out a scumread for the day. {already forgot who's} point on unwnd does make a bit of sense and im worried ive totally let them pocket me

[ManateeGal]

At this point I don't know how to claim without words, and playing Charades is less fun with things this specific, so I'll say this much.

Demon-phobic IS the modifier on my role, and it means if I hide behind a demon one night, I'm not allowed to hide the next night.

So if Night 1 I had hid behind a demon, I wouldn't have been allowed to act Night 2, but I would be able again Night 3.

Everyone clear on that?

[✓]

[ManateeGal]

@ffery I had similar concerns about unwnds interactions with Pooky. I find them somewhat similar to Spiffeh in that they were both big pushers but unwnd was ready to jump away from Pooky to CephTD while Spiffeh was all about Pooky.

I wasn’t sure if it made sense. I knew I’d already been pinged by some of the vernacular he’s used and thinking he was trying to stir stuff up day one and keep us from linking up, but his “one scum in the three” thing was right so who knows.

Am I crazy?

this is what im talking about in 4057

[ManateeGal]

im also demonic! someone corrupted me so it only took me one shard to get there

When were you corrupted?

N2

[ManateeGal]

someone humour me and explain the benefits of claiming in an order instead of whenever. ready to feel stupid LMAO

[ManateeGal]

ty fishes!

[ManateeGal]

i barely have a clue whats happening ! but i will claim when asked and will probably lurk otherwise

[ManateeGal]

Manatee needs to confirm if they were demonized Night 2 or Night 3.

corrupted AND demonized N2

[ManateeGal]

unwnd you made a statement yesterday implying htbd and pooky wouldnt be scum together. could you explain that thought process and how its changed into today?

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: aa9

[ManateeGal]

how standard are fakeclaims for a theme game like this?
top

[ManateeGal]

I know nothing about this game, but just googled that name

And so it happens that only people I scum read are poking against everything I am saying which makes my reads are good.

You and ManteeGal are scum together!!! Did i just break the scum team?

or youre just not saying anything helpful

[ManateeGal]

pooky started game demonic i think

[ManateeGal]

Annette

Human Mafia Goon / Demonic Mafia Goon

Initial Shards: 2 (Demonic)

Looks like Richter’s running Any% today.

Abilities:

Dark Alliance [Mafia]

- You are a member of the Mafia and may talk to your partners here, and, at night, elect a member to perform either a single factional kill OR assign two shards to

any combination of living players.

Win Condition:

Rise of Bael

: The number of living Mafia players equal or exceed the number of living Town players.

-OR-

The number of current

Demonic

players (living or dead) of any alignment is equal to

nine

or more.

Game Thread: here

Please confirm by PMing me your alignment, role name, and whether you start as a Human or Demon.[/center][/area][/spoiler]

[ManateeGal]

AA9 town is not in a good spot at all right now so formulating scumreads on players who pushback to your lack of understanding of the game is not very helpful right now

[ManateeGal]

im a human VT/demonic unknown backup

[ManateeGal]

omg i wasnt even trying

[ManateeGal]

do not know what i backup !

[ManateeGal]

im just kind of dumbfounded that scum has not only a beloved princess but essentially a doublekill every time i think about it

[ManateeGal]

The info about being corrupted was sent in a Day 4 begins/night 3 results PM, and the way it's phrased is as a new passive ability of requiring 1 shard to be demonized.

+1

[ManateeGal]

i think maybe humans shouldnt claim bc that means scum totally controls what PRs are activated :/

[ManateeGal]

@mod V/LA till the 23rd

[ManateeGal]

yea it does ! sucks cos outside of elimination theres no way for me to use the backup

[ManateeGal]

are we operating under the theory the corrupter still has shots? cos thatd be buckwild

[ManateeGal]

yea i think its a huge assumption that im backup 2 ceph

[ManateeGal]

once again i am immeasurably confused

[ManateeGal]

Luke that is a bet that manatee is for sure the ceph backup and that isn't assured at all man.

For all we know she's my backup.

Or the backup of the first town PR to die by night kill.


Or you know. Just actually mafia somehow.

to confirm i am a backup to a specific ability

[ManateeGal]

But you don't know WHICH specific ability, according to you!

well yes but you did mention the first town PR to die by NK so i thought i should confirm

[ManateeGal]

i am the backup to a specific ability. when the player w this ability flips and i am demonic i gain the ability to myself.

[ManateeGal]

no!!!!!!

[ManateeGal]

SO let's say you were NOT demonic when said ability flipped. Would you still be notified?

pretty sure no!

[ManateeGal]

will ask bork later gtg

[ManateeGal]

i volunteer myself as the new charasmatic mammal

[ManateeGal]

dont think so

[ManateeGal]

can someone explain the various plans my eyes r glazing over trying 2 read

[ManateeGal]

do i get to do anything of importance rn

[ManateeGal]

so continue on as normal

[ManateeGal]

beep

[ManateeGal]

i have nothing 1 contribute sorry

[ManateeGal]

sounds pretty fancy !

[ManateeGal]

@snarky
probably a combination of things! D2 felt like a clean slate for me to work on with the reminder mafia is supposed to be fun. unwnd helped a bit w formulating my thoughts and i think things got better from there

[ManateeGal]

Manatee if you want to be anything but null or lower I need your takes to go beyond initial premise

I'm not asking you to suddenly become a different player, but it's like I mentioned earlier with your conviction

this was sparking post from unwnd
i guess id cite pirate shenanigans from eod as the fun reminder
rest was just realizing i wasnt having fun and i should do smth 2 change it

[ManateeGal]

well! were u satisfied w my answer 2 ur question

[ManateeGal]

do we think flavour claiming could do us some favours in regards to figuring out who i backup?

[ManateeGal]

well my flavour claim is Anne!

[ManateeGal]

flavour seems to imply that a character named Dominique would be the backup considering anne takes over her store. Dominique is a shopkeeper that sells shards :/ thinking thats unwnds role

[ManateeGal]

OH im going 2 hope youre right luke

[ManateeGal]

Manatee, you are my favorite person right now.

*does a little dance*
i love it when i do smth smart

[ManateeGal]

need htbd to wake up!! i feel important again!!

[ManateeGal]

doing a happy little jig rn!! no problem luke :D

[ManateeGal]

wouldnt that just be so silly

[ManateeGal]

even better!!!!

[ManateeGal]

back to being excited again!! i think this really will put us on the right track and with flips itll be a LOT easier to solve and figure things out. maybe im getting prematurely excited but this is making a lot of sense in my head rn

[ManateeGal]

i should sleep ! probably will be around tmrw but we shall see! night luke!!

[ManateeGal]

i really think we should turn me into the desharder

[ManateeGal]

why on earth would the corrupter even have any more shots at this point

[ManateeGal]

huh. i was corrupted and demonized N2

[ManateeGal]

i dont think i ever said N3 but its whatever. glad its clarified

[ManateeGal]

i deserive this

[ManateeGal]

i am reading along - have had the worst possible day so im not gonna weigh in quite yet but that pagetop was pretty rewarding xp

[ManateeGal]

Unwnd, AA9, Here there be dragons.

Town, Scum, Scum

Lukewarm, ManateeGal, Rhea

Town, Town, Town

[ManateeGal]

Medea the Alien, Dunnstral, Annie Edison

Town, Town, Town

[ManateeGal]

Snarky fishes, Spiffeh, Borkjerfkin.

Town, Town, Scum

[ManateeGal]

scum having no power outside of a dayskip and effective doublekill feels weak?

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: snarky fishes

[ManateeGal]

aa9 goes tmrw. this is to ensure we have time and a method of combatting the alternate wincon

[ManateeGal]

i will deshard aa9 and we can flip them tmrw.

[ManateeGal]

this isnt some wishful thinking gambit. it gives us time to solve and scumhunt without the pressure of the shard wincon.

mislimming aa9 puts us in a lot of shit today, but if she is a mislim and we do it tomorrow we end up alright. even in the situation aa9 is scum, we flip another demon early and make things easy for her partner. getting me into the position to backup means that we also have a way of dealing with her partner, cos it will be extremely difficult to pick out scum with no flips.

[ManateeGal]

Has there been anymore evidence revealed that suggests Manatee will actually inherit HTBD powers or are is that just the hope at this point?

the flavour matches perfectly. as in me backing up any other role wouldnt make sense in the slightest

[ManateeGal]

what is being misunderstood? there are currently 6 demons in play. assuming we dont hit scum today there are 8 demons at the end of N4. in that instance it doesnt matter if we even hit scum that day. are you guys really willing to bet on two consecutive scum lims in our current situation?

[ManateeGal]

i dont think bell or lukewarm were guilty of trying to rush the lim.

[ManateeGal]

there are currently 6 demons in play.

There are AT LEAST 6 demons in play

I think there probably are exactly 6, but this is yet another assumption that completely ruins "the plan" if it's not correct

if theres more then 6 demons then my ability to deshard becomes more important!?!?!?

[ManateeGal]

hi unwnd o/

[ManateeGal]

guh

[ManateeGal]

i miss pooky and his pagetop counting

[ManateeGal]

genuinely gobsmacked annie thinks lukewarms plan is an attempt at distraction the more i think about it

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: dragons

yea

[ManateeGal]

kind of really frustrated my D2 is being boiled down to following fishes

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: aa9

whatever

[ManateeGal]

yea yea sorry

[ManateeGal]

pooky flipped

[ManateeGal]

I wish everyone was not shitting on my perfectly good plan, and we would just do that and win >.<

rt :/

[ManateeGal]

i think it'd be quite silly at this point to get scum closer to their wincon considering we dont know what tricks they have up their sleeves. if we want to confirm unwnd as town he should target a player that already has shards

[ManateeGal]

i'd lean towards asking unwnd to use both shards on an already demonized player to make sure hes not scum using his factional ability to hide

[ManateeGal]

back on my computer and home from vacation.

the more i think about it the more unsure i am regarding aa9, but it feels like people are just ready to let jesus take the wheel in that regards and im frustrated bc all people have as a rebuttal against the plan lukewarm aligned is some bullshit about not playing the game. its clear htbd arent going to hammer which has me even more frustrated bc it does not seem likely they will be wagoned themselves. its so frustrating to read people dismissing lukes plan or even calling him scum after he outlined it so well??? like thats just fucking absurd to me and i can feel my frustration rising. all the dissention in regards to aa9 seems to be leading other people to other targets but it just makes it all the more clear how poor a grasp we have on who the corrupter really is,, and somehow the alternative to aa9 is some even weaker scumread that could

possibly

be the corrupter?? what am i missing cos it seems like people are just being purposely obstinate in the name of not limming townies and im really failing to follow the logic.

[ManateeGal]

unwnd i really dont think focusing on people snap placing you as scum is really useful considering youre not a lim target

[ManateeGal]

And I want to reiterate, again, at the difficulty in elimming AA9 despite a majority of the game scumreading her is a huge red flag

why are you purposely ignoring any nuance considering the situation ? the wagon also reached E-1 at one point???

[ManateeGal]

unwnd i'd say give me the shards bc we're not likely to want 2 deshard me

[ManateeGal]

getting frustrated reading the gamethread which is just a shitty feeling :/ im just gonna hope aa9 is gonna hammer and wait until then

[ManateeGal]

for what its worth i think uwnd randomly deciding to scumread me is pretty towny

[ManateeGal]

[ManateeGal]

can we go back 2 doing the pirate bit threadstate is stressing me out

[ManateeGal]

Hey manatee, even if we lose today, you and I get to go down as having been on the right side of history

this is true

[ManateeGal]

im pretty sure aa9 said they'd do it which makes me question a lot

[ManateeGal]

im pretty sure aa9 said they'd do it which makes me question a lot

hammer

[ManateeGal]

this feels like a really bad one

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: CephTD

[ManateeGal]

well ceph is confirmed human as of today right? we should flip inside the remaining humans plus ceph is the desharder and i can backup

[ManateeGal]

wait nvm on second thought i dont need to be desharder if we have four flipped humans

[ManateeGal]

whos human today

[ManateeGal]

Humans are : the dragons, lld, and dunn

it makes the most sense to lim in this pool today. if we miss the corrupter today we auto-lose but getting rid of a human stops the alternate wincon and gives us two shots at taking down scum

[ManateeGal]

we have one chance to hit scum today. we get two w a human lim.

[ManateeGal]

there are 3 dead humans. a fourth human flip means scum can not achieve their alternate wincon.
today is 7v2. with a human flip the next day is 5v2 and the day following is 3v2

what isnt clicking

[ManateeGal]

We need 5 humans locked out for scum to be unable to hit their alternate WC, not 4

[ManateeGal]

ok i'll shut up and let the adults handle this

[ManateeGal]

And Manatee is technically not clear but do I even feel like reevaluating her?

no.

[ManateeGal]

It's Manatee and Luke.

[ManateeGal]

LLD i genuinely have no clue what youre talking abt

[ManateeGal]

youre gonna need 2 lay it out for me

[ManateeGal]

UNVOTE:

[ManateeGal]

pretty condlicted right now :// i feel like theres a missing puzzle piece in my perspective

[ManateeGal]

my thought process right now is just a roundabout loop of

well it must be annie cos theyre the only slot i think could be scum. and then i look and their concern w all the scumreads on them seems genuine and i cant convince myself theyre scum.

well its gotta be aa9 then right!?!? that fake hammer looked genuine though and i cant convince myself shes scum.

i guess that leaves luke. and i just cannot convince myself hes scum given all the work he put in

its a neverending cycle and it sucks when i cant draw any conclusions on my own and IDK what to do to fix it

[ManateeGal]

VOTE: AA9

[ManateeGal]

hi

[ManateeGal]

im a totally responsible minor

[ManateeGal]

I adore everyone in this game

I've had fun overall even though the alternate WC is kinda whack and people have pissed me off at many points. I kinda liked that there's still a lot of us left because I get to interact with more of my friends! I usually don't like mini themes because there are like barely any players left by Day 3 but this game has broken the mold in that regard

+1

[ManateeGal]

*rattles bars of my cage*

[ManateeGal]

i'd rather be wrong about aa9 then annie

im just as unsure in regards to both

[ManateeGal]

i dont really think youre scum

[ManateeGal]

guhhhhhh :/

[ManateeGal]

guhhhhhh :/

this isnt frustration aimed at anyone besides myself

[ManateeGal]

it did have a town desharder - manatee was what you all thought manatee migiht be, but was gated behind removing one of the scum to "buy time" via the scum elim so to speak.

it was inelegant but i thought it would work.

Flashbacks to me desperately trying to make that happen day 4

[ManateeGal]

gg to everyone!! i had a lot of fun this game and think mostly everyone played really well.
i wish i had done more post d2 and worked w the same conviction but the beloved princess lim was kind of demoralizing

[ManateeGal]

yea i agree w spiffeh in regards to attitude nd annie. i think thats what threw me off the most

[ManateeGal]

i love pooky which made me hate him all the more this game

[ManateeGal]

i remember someone clearing dragons and i wish i had interrogated whoever said that cos i probably wouldve voted them w/o thinking they were cleared? not proud of the amount of stuff i let slip

[ManateeGal]

I liked the mechanic

But the way the beloved princess + corrupter accelerated the win condition was too much

+1

[ManateeGal]

definitely! thinking abt it gives me the warm fuzzies LOL