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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:36 pm

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As you can see, Astronomy has no data in either direction. This is based on my numbers which may not reflect reality, but I am very conservative with my non-associatives, but I will admit my associative reads are more experimental.
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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:38 pm

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In post 1224, Radical Rat wrote:So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're asserting a 100% chance that if cows is scum, Uranus is too?
It's based on limited data. It's the other way around, actually. If Uranus is Scum, then CLS has a 100% chance of being Scum. This is just based on the data I have.
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:42 pm

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So... my decision on who to vote based on this data (which is very limited since this game is kinda slow) is very obvious.

VOTE: CLS
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:49 pm

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In post 1226, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1224, Radical Rat wrote:So, if I'm reading this correctly, you're asserting a 100% chance that if cows is scum, Uranus is too?
It's based on limited data. It's the other way around, actually. If Uranus is Scum, then CLS has a 100% chance of being Scum. This is just based on the data I have.
In other words, if RR is Scum, then by my data, they can only be teamed with astronomy, since there is no data for these two players and RR has non-associatives between all the other players. So a non-associative basically says what the chance is that if the person is Scum, how much of a chance the other person is NOT Scum.

So non-associatives can be helpful if we Elim Scum since it can Clear, Soft-Clear, or Light-Clear other players from being Scum. In this way, RR would be the most informative Elim if they are Scum because it narrows the crowd considerably because of all the non-associatives that RR has with other players. OTOH, it's also an indication that RR is Town because they have so many non-associatives.

Astronomy, in this was is the least informative Elim since they have no associatives or non-assocaitives with any of the players.
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:51 pm

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How do you calculate these percentages? Are you an bot?!
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:54 pm

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Alright, I think I do sort of understand now. Following your data, the most informative elimination would be whoever contributes the most percentage points across the board, in either direction, while the scummiest would be whoever receives the most negative, particularly if it's a large amount from one player, and CLS meets both of those.

Is this correct?
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:55 pm

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In post 1229, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How do you calculate these percentages? Are you an bot?!
He DID recently change to a Matrix avatar...
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:56 pm

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Here's a list of the number or raw net non-associatives. Technically speaking, someone can be negative in non-associatives if the have more assocaitives than non-associatives, but this would be rare ime, but associations are experimental so we could very well end up with that happening this game (depending on deaths). At this point the bottom three have a net non-associative number of 0. Astonomy because they have no non-associatives or associatives with any players but the other two have just as many associatives as non-associatives.

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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:57 pm

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In post 1230, Radical Rat wrote:Alright, I think I do sort of understand now. Following your data, the most informative elimination would be whoever contributes the most percentage points across the board, in either direction, while the scummiest would be whoever receives the most negative, particularly if it's a large amount from one player, and CLS meets both of those.

Is this correct?
More or less, yeah.
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:59 pm

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In post 1229, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How do you calculate these percentages? Are you an bot?!
Beep... Boop... Me no understando...
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:01 pm

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Okay then. I'm willing to go ahead and sheep on that.

VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:03 pm

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As a general rule, if a player has an impact level of 65% or more then that would be enough for a clear, 40% for a Soft-Clear, and 20% or less as a Light-Clear.
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:11 pm

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In post 1235, Radical Rat wrote:Okay then. I'm willing to go ahead and sheep on that.

VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

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It would be better if you just voted you SRs, honestly. It will be better for me, because my data will be more accurate that way, and it will be better for you because you are voting your main suspect. Wait till late game to sheep me on this (or if I die, then you will know I am more or less on the right track).
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:12 pm

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In post 1231, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1229, NorwegianboyEE wrote:How do you calculate these percentages? Are you an bot?!
He DID recently change to a Matrix avatar...
Read Sig for details.
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:15 pm

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In post 1237, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1235, Radical Rat wrote:Okay then. I'm willing to go ahead and sheep on that.

VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

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It would be better if you just voted you SRs, honestly. It will be better for me, because my data will be more accurate that way, and it will be better for you because you are voting your main suspect. Wait till late game to sheep me on this (or if I die, then you will know I am more or less on the right track).
I don't disagree with you on this, but cows was on my list of potential eliminations anyway, and I don't think I'm going to be any more successful convincing people on kenny than I was yesterday, especially now that I'm even doubting myself there.

I wouldn't be sheeping if it were anyone not already on my own list.
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:16 pm

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In post 1236, LicketyQuickety wrote:As a general rule, if a player has an impact level of 65% or more then that would be enough for a clear, 40% for a Soft-Clear, and 20% or less as a Light-Clear.
Not impact, non-associatives.

For impact, a good number is usually between 7%+. Only Kenny has that at this point this game.
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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:16 pm

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In post 1239, Radical Rat wrote:
In post 1237, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1235, Radical Rat wrote:Okay then. I'm willing to go ahead and sheep on that.

VOTE: cowsloveSushirolls

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It would be better if you just voted you SRs, honestly. It will be better for me, because my data will be more accurate that way, and it will be better for you because you are voting your main suspect. Wait till late game to sheep me on this (or if I die, then you will know I am more or less on the right track).
I don't disagree with you on this, but cows was on my list of potential eliminations anyway, and I don't think I'm going to be any more successful convincing people on kenny than I was yesterday, especially now that I'm even doubting myself there.

I wouldn't be sheeping if it were anyone not already on my own list.
Ah. Carry on then...
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:17 pm

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hi im VT

i can finish up that ISO and you can send me off but i'm not exactly feeling that town knows exactly what to do after i get limmed
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:19 pm

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and as much as i'd like to slobber over something like a uranus/astro scumteam since i've talked a bit about radical and norwee both having town equity it's not really something i'm comfortable with tossing around yet
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:21 pm

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In post 1242, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:hi im VT

i can finish up that ISO and you can send me off but i'm not exactly feeling that town knows exactly what to do after i get limmed
Well, I'm willing to bet that at least one person claiming VT is actually Scum. Else, Town is in a world of hurt.

I sorta feel like you claiming here is a bit Townie. The problem is where to got after that. We could always Elim astronomy - they have a good chance of being Scum IMO. But that doesn't give us much info. I usually try and strike a balance between info and Scum Elim. But here you are, claiming VT...
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:21 pm

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In post 1243, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:and as much as i'd like to slobber over something like a uranus/astro scumteam since i've talked a bit about radical and norwee both having town equity it's not really something i'm comfortable with tossing around yet
What about Norwee?
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:25 pm

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In post 1245, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1243, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:and as much as i'd like to slobber over something like a uranus/astro scumteam since i've talked a bit about radical and norwee both having town equity it's not really something i'm comfortable with tossing around yet
What about Norwee?
ultimately it's about how i interpreted - and also what i thought abt salsa in
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:33 pm

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In post 1246, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
In post 1245, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1243, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:and as much as i'd like to slobber over something like a uranus/astro scumteam since i've talked a bit about radical and norwee both having town equity it's not really something i'm comfortable with tossing around yet
What about Norwee?
ultimately it's about how i interpreted - and also what i thought abt salsa in
I sorta feel like you were throwing slog at Salsa/Norwee, but have you ever actually voted for them? Quote the post so I can see it.
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Sat Sep 04, 2021 7:36 pm

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In post 1247, LicketyQuickety wrote:I sorta feel like you were throwing slog at Salsa/Norwee, but have you ever actually voted for them? Quote the post so I can see it.
only at the beginning of D2

they were a major wagon at the end of D1 but i ignored it in favor of uranus because norwee was barely settling in and also the other reasons in (this was a couple posts before the ISO)
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