Newbie 2077 : The Curse of a Blue Diamond!! - Gameover

[StrangeMatter]

Is Astro even in this game still? I'm very confused about them since it doesn't seem like they have a V/LA and their last posts was in August 29th and no replacements.

[Save The Dragons]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

Who do you think it is then?

Pavowski

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Is Astro even in this game still? I'm very confused about them since it doesn't seem like they have a V/LA and their last posts was in August 29th and no replacements.

ah, astro's replacement is pavowski

[LicketyQuickety]

UNVOTE:

Just because it's your birthday. No, not really, I don't care about birthdays.

But actually because I think it's probably Pav.

[LicketyQuickety]

Or Kenny if Pav is JK.

[Radical Rat]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

Who do you think it is then?

Pavowski

Why? The main point against Astro was just the lurking, wasn't it?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Why? The main point against Astro was just the lurking, wasn't it?

actually, they

were

poked at for their suspicion on salsa. wacky

lemme fish it out

[cowsloveSushirolls]

what specifically about salsa seems all over the place and why does that make you want to vote them

(to clarify/prevent misconceptions, when i said 'all over the place' i wasn't referring to her accusations)

admittedly don't have much of a good reason, mostly just A Vibe from various posts...

Spoiler:

@ Salsabil Faria: So you think players who are sus on something are sus. Doesn't that make you sus, too?

I don't like when people misinterpret my words...

VOTE: kennyk

Don't like this post.

Don’t like you for not liking my post.

[...]
Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?

Again, nothing makes sense to me except one thing: YOU ARE CRAZY....

Just to be clear: I played here and on greylabyrinth in the past. But this is my first mafia game in 15 years. I might have a game meta from way back but I really don't know if I am playing the same way now. I t definitely was a different time then.

As to Salsas multivoting me for being too solvy, I don't think it is that much if a tell (the multivoting part. The reason might give us something). If I recall correctly, it was the second vote on me (after floo). Her second vote on me might just habe been to tip on my toes or to annoy me into a state where I make a mistake. And to be honest, I guess I called for the third vote. So no hard feelings from me for the multivote.

I multi-voted to irritate you
You were using the

sus

word so much at the early stage of the game, which annoyed me a decent amount while reading your post

Again the misinterpretation! I sused you because you're playing LAMIST card, and I stated the reasons clearly, go check again.
I can also say you're tunneling me because I was tunneling you, but I'll not say that, because I'm not YOU!

mostly an attitude thing, since that and flavor are more what i'm used to playing by (and there's not any flavor to go by). she seems friendly in casual talk, but when accused... she doesn't seem to take it well! is that a scumtell? no idea.... but it sure feels inconvenient to me

VOTE: astronomyfortwo

[LicketyQuickety]

i don't think it's uranus/strangematter due to the offer to hammer

i don't think it's kenny either for the way she went after him

Who do you think it is then?

Pavowski

Why? The main point against Astro was just the lurking, wasn't it?

I still think Pav is Scummy for pushing NAI things as Scummy.

[StrangeMatter]

Seriously frustrated by the end of the previous day. Norwee claims town after they're limmed and Uranus just slinks out ... why?

I seriously don't want to jump all over somebody repping into the slot but that doesn't look great.

Want to hear who got jailed but for now VOTE: Kenny instead

It's prob Uranus though.

Can I ask why you are staying on Kenny by the way?

[Radical Rat]

I still think Pav is Scummy for pushing NAI things as Scummy.

Eh, I see what you're saying but I think that's just a case of being wrong about AI-ness. The argument you two had read as pretty genuine to me.

[LicketyQuickety]

I still think Pav is Scummy for pushing NAI things as Scummy.

Eh, I see what you're saying but I think that's just a case of being wrong about AI-ness. The argument you two had read as pretty genuine to me.

Tell me why Kenny is STILL Scum.

[Radical Rat]

Well, in addition to all prior points, including but not limited to:

Early game scum brand paranoia
Weirdness in the interactions with cows
Salsa doing what in hindsight appears to be weird distancing maneuvers

He also wasn't on the Norwee wagon. Which isn't much on it's own, as the ENTIRE Town can't fit on the wagon anyway, but in combination with the above..

Also, I can't remember kenny having a firm stance on uh. Anything? I'd need to ISO him again to be sure.

[Radical Rat]

After Norwee flipped green, I did honestly expect to have to start this day by apologizing to kenny, but the more I thought about it, the more I found myself coming back to him as scum. No one else makes sense.

[Radical Rat]

After Norwee flipped red, I did honestly expect to have to start this day by apologizing to kenny, but the more I thought about it, the more I found myself coming back to him as scum. No one else makes sense.

EBWOP.

[LicketyQuickety]

Salsa doing what in hindsight appears to be weird distancing maneuvers

That's interesting. Why do you think that was distancing as opposed to just trying to get Town Elimmed for bad reasons?

[Radical Rat]

Because she backed off as soon as the Kenny wagon actually looked viable. Compared to the Uranus wagon where she spontaneously offered a premature hammer

[Pavowski]

Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

Here Strange, I quoted more of that post for you.

I have some feelings about voting off somebody who just repped in, and I like my Kenny vote anyway, but if you want my vote, you can have it

[Radical Rat]

Very weird interactions from Norwee on the slot, versus Norwee's consistent TR on LQ which just strikes me as tmi telling.

Also don't see a great reason to bus in this position, which means Kenny or Uranus slot. Since I don't want to pile on Uranus slot until his rep gets a chance to speak, I'll settle for Kenny to lead off.

It's prob Uranus though.

I'm actually more interested in Salsa's interactions there. Particularly, how she came right out the gate gunning for kenny, pushed there very aggressively, albeit also with somewhat weak reasoning, only to back off as soon as it became a viable wagon because it was "too easy"

In light of the flip, this now reads to me like trying to distance from a partner, while also defending the slot from actually getting eliminated, and potentially earning towncred for scumreading/leaning him without a full bus.

Also, Salsa's offer to quickhammer Uranus seems odd if that's the scumteam. Could be a bus attempt, definitely, but in that case I might have expected her to just hammer anyway.

[LicketyQuickety]

Because she backed off as soon as the Kenny wagon actually looked viable. Compared to the Uranus wagon where she spontaneously offered a premature hammer

Apparently, I can't handle this many posts because I don't remember that.

[Radical Rat]

Here she is backing off because the wagon was "too easy"

Spoiler:

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

to elaborate on this: i was hoping for an answer that was something along the lines of "your vote doesn't help town", and i got just that, along with a pretty reasonable train of thought behind it

Can you explain more? How do you think

expressing paranoia

over NAI stuff without even getting pressure is coming from town mindset? The more I'm reading them, more I find them scummy but on the same time their wagon isn’t having that much of resistance I'm thinking scum!them would have atp which is giving me 2nd thoughts....

UNVOTE: kenny

Alright, so, here's my problem.

A prod post is, usually, profoundly NAI. If anything, it might just BARELY lean Town, because Mafia benefits from Town lurking, and are thus less likely to bring it up, but it usually isn't that deep.

This particular kind of overthinking though I believe is vastly more likely to come from scum than town. I don't really see a Townie being afraid that trying to prod a lurker would look scummy, and if they did I don't see them making a big show about it, probably, but not necessarily, just PMing it instead.

However, by your own admission, you did it publicly hoping to gain towncred off it, but then got too paranoid about it backfiring that you wound up overexplaining yourself. That's scum logic if ya ask me.

Yes, I agree with you on this but my experience here is holding me back tbh. A wagon which is formatting without strong resistance (specially on Day 1) has much more chance to flip as town rather than scum fmpov + they also are an old player. Even if I think

Entel

is their scum partner, hence no other wagon is formed and no resistance is formatting at the current wagon, as an experienced one, scum!

kenny

could be play the whole thing differently imo.

And here she is offering to hammer Uranus

Spoiler:

I'm here and just see the VC. I'm still recovering, don't have energy for catching up yet. Are we agreeing to eliminate

Uranus

here? If so then I'll hammer right away. If not then I've to catch up which I don’t want to atm...

[LicketyQuickety]

Here she is backing off because the wagon was "too easy"

Spoiler:

i'm pretty satisfied with this explanation, thanks

to elaborate on this: i was hoping for an answer that was something along the lines of "your vote doesn't help town", and i got just that, along with a pretty reasonable train of thought behind it

Can you explain more? How do you think

expressing paranoia

over NAI stuff without even getting pressure is coming from town mindset? The more I'm reading them, more I find them scummy but on the same time their wagon isn’t having that much of resistance I'm thinking scum!them would have atp which is giving me 2nd thoughts....

UNVOTE: kenny

Alright, so, here's my problem.

A prod post is, usually, profoundly NAI. If anything, it might just BARELY lean Town, because Mafia benefits from Town lurking, and are thus less likely to bring it up, but it usually isn't that deep.

This particular kind of overthinking though I believe is vastly more likely to come from scum than town. I don't really see a Townie being afraid that trying to prod a lurker would look scummy, and if they did I don't see them making a big show about it, probably, but not necessarily, just PMing it instead.

However, by your own admission, you did it publicly hoping to gain towncred off it, but then got too paranoid about it backfiring that you wound up overexplaining yourself. That's scum logic if ya ask me.

Yes, I agree with you on this but my experience here is holding me back tbh. A wagon which is formatting without strong resistance (specially on Day 1) has much more chance to flip as town rather than scum fmpov + they also are an old player. Even if I think

Entel

is their scum partner, hence no other wagon is formed and no resistance is formatting at the current wagon, as an experienced one, scum!

kenny

could be play the whole thing differently imo.

And here she is offering to hammer Uranus

Spoiler:

I'm here and just see the VC. I'm still recovering, don't have energy for catching up yet. Are we agreeing to eliminate

Uranus

here? If so then I'll hammer right away. If not then I've to catch up which I don’t want to atm...

If you have a point make it.

Totally joking. Good point actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm back from vacation BTW. IDK why it still says I am V/LA. Probably because I put it in till the 13th.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

what gives me pause is kenny's adamancy that a PR may have claimed VT at a time where it didn't benefit scum at all to say so, + it was a weird viewpoint to have
does this make sense with rolecop!kenny? it does, but it also makes sense with JK!kenny. let me rolefish for a second

Why just the upper part? Don't you like to be called Killer Queen?

Yes, I agree with you on this but my experience here is holding me back tbh. A wagon which is formatting without strong resistance (specially on Day 1) has much more chance to flip as town rather than scum fmpov +

they also are an old player.

Even if I think Entel is their scum partner, hence no other wagon is formed and no resistance is formatting at the current wagon,

as an experienced one,

scum!kenny could be play the whole thing differently imo.

(conflating 'experienced' with 'old' when only one was the case)
and then like, stuff like this

i can't be sure that these two people were inside a PT at one point.

Also i hope you’re ready for an "oh my god, they killed Kenny! You bastards!" joke if you ever die here.

quote above makes me want to go the other way in my current stance (i've seen in other games where scum will talk about other scum being flipped in order to fakespew them as town) but

Also i hope you’re ready for an "oh my god, they killed Kenny! You bastards!" joke if you ever die here.

Where are my manners? A very warm welcome to our new norwegian friend.

And of course I am ready for that. That is exactly where my account name originates.

the response. are they distancing, even when casually conversing?

[LicketyQuickety]

If Kenny is Scum, strangely enough, this might be accurate.

Spoiler:

I was ISOing Salsa, and found some posts that pinged me:

Spoiler: Pinged Posts

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

Perfectly explained but I want to add one thing: they said they had an account here before, so they played before here imo. That's why I'm not taking them that much of a newb player and when I read their posts ("

this sus, that sus

"), I found they were trying

too much

which I generally find suspicious.

This looks like either a defense of floo or a buddy attempt.

I think she says kennyk is trying too hard, missing the obvious motive as I pointed out for a scum accusation. It's good that someone is trying to be serious because this is how we move out of RVS, but kennyk is doing this wrong. She may also be accusing kennyk of doing that just to look town. I recall that the term LAMIST is used here for this.

what's the best way to move us outside of RVS, if the way kenny is doing it is "wrong"? is it just because the pushing happened to be on you because he thought your thought process was unclear? what happened in this game seems like just as good of a method as any, which is why i'm asking

I find

LAMIST play

scummy in general basis.
Almost every town games of mine, there was at least one scum

who appeared to be solvy in the early stage of the game

to gain towncred and in my scum games, I also tried to get towncred at RVS stage.

This might be nothing, or it might be made to make CLS look bad while also carrying the same thing of buddy/defence of floo in prior post.

But then I saw a spinet of Kenny's post in 72 in reference to the original post 62.

Why this is interesting is because of what Kenny said here:

@ Uranus: I guess you didn't read the thread properly. After Radical Rats Unvote I am now

'only'

E-2

And given StD and Kenny both come from a different game meta than current MS meta, this indicates to me that the site meta they come from people are generally much more hesitant with their votes and only vote for serious reasons. If this is the case, then Salsa vastly comes from a different meta than these two players because of their constant votes in 39, 40, and 44. What's more is that Salsa actually know this and just keeps voting Kenny for very little reason even though they are already voting for Kenny. And this happened BEFORE Kenny pointed out the 'only' E-2 comment.

Either way, it looks to be the case that Salsa has inside knowledge of Kenny's and StD's game meta that they come from. I'm hesitant to call out SvS interactions so early, but I'm not sure what another conclusion would be given this... the other option, I suppose, is that Salsa is Scum with floo. But this seems unlikely to defend a buddy so directly so early in the game.

Am I going crazy or is there something here?