White flag #824 game over

[Flea The Magician]

That moment when the rules list is a direct rip of mine with some minor modifications xD

VOTE: implosion

[Flea The Magician]

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I kinda like the thoughts on this exercise tbh, I got my two. Dwlee and Diatsi are the two I seem to struggle most with reading so I'm going to go with those two.

[Flea The Magician]

<3

[Flea The Magician]

I actually messed up the mess up, I meant to put diaitisi because it's probably more accurate than what I normally put lol

[Flea The Magician]

I want everyone to pick out two people. For the rest of D1, you must treat them as hard town

If someone sticks to a questionable TR it’s probably a partner tell

how quickly you contradict yourself is pretty weird, these two statements cannot exist together

Sticking to a questionable TR because you have to as part of the wackstrat could never be a partner tell.

The context here is important, but missable.
D1 you stick to the read and work with them.
D2 you get to challenge that read.

I've seen a few other players pull this tbh

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Dwlee99

I see the gimmick alt has arrived

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is outed actually. He was angry at bugspray being a baboon, implying anger at bugspray's stupidity or lack of reading comprehension. But then he votes bugspray on the basis that they were mafia and intentionally trying to make them look bad. Which makes them scum, not someone who lacks reading comprehension. I think Gamma is mafia who got tilted at being suspected for the wrong reasons by a townie who didn't read their post properly. Which is why he initially calls them a baboon and then switches to a fake reason to attack them after.

And this feels massively over explanatory for page 4/5...

[Flea The Magician]

yup. you do infy.

[Flea The Magician]

yup. you do infy.

Never mind.

[Flea The Magician]

UNVOTE:

[Flea The Magician]

Also I am 100% going to fall foul of this new rule so this may be entertaining.

[Flea The Magician]

So as ever, I can't resist a bit of mech talk, even in an open.

Setup seems designed with maf only having night talk, but our setup has maf daytalk. Also given the stats on the wiki show that this game has a 73% scumwin rate, how're people feeling about this?

[Flea The Magician]

Also I am 100% going to fall foul of this new rule so this may be entertaining.

Should we both just get it over with, both swear on the count of 3?

I'm on weird meds again (Antibiotics this time - my legs caught an infection from either plants or horse flys) and honestly it'll be funnier when it happens and I'm not lucid.

[Flea The Magician]

As for other sites...

I'll play on MU for 1 reason, I get invited to some games lol. Other sites... Well I've been told I need to apologise for my entitlement because I ripped into someone who insisted calling me "Bro"...

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah I'm basically always voting Dwlee here especially after the talk about implosion's AtE.

Pooky, NM, Klick, and Infinity can be trusted. Maybe Flea.

I think GL's vote on Dwlee can easily be partnered. I would call GL my second top scumread right now.

THe only thing you can trust in chaos is that it will be chaotic.
AKA, Never trust Flea.

@pooky re:your reply to my 131 - I haven't played with Flea before, can you link me to some past games you played or read with them? I still don't like that post and fae haven't given many reads to work with

I definitely feel the townvibes from that implo rage I don't think I've ever seen a game where he emoted like that as scum

All my games are on my wiki, go forth and have fun.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

This is outed actually. He was angry at bugspray being a baboon, implying anger at bugspray's stupidity or lack of reading comprehension. But then he votes bugspray on the basis that they were mafia and intentionally trying to make them look bad. Which makes them scum, not someone who lacks reading comprehension. I think Gamma is mafia who got tilted at being suspected for the wrong reasons by a townie who didn't read their post properly. Which is why he initially calls them a baboon and then switches to a fake reason to attack them after.

And this feels massively over explanatory for page 4/5...

I don't like this, feels like you're embellishing calling it "massively" over explanatory

This is a huge reach.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

How is it a "reach" to say your post wasn't over explanatory, especially not "massively" so?

We're going to have a lot of fun between us I reckon.
So complete honesty I didn't even register your initial response, and we have some picking at the bones to do it seems.

You're calling out something which I've stated is a feeling to me. I don't like over explanatory and over justified posts that early - especially ones which cannibalise themselves slightly.
You've then stated that you feel I'm embellishing slightly. OK fair we're both working on feelings here.

What do you actually think of that initial post?
You know, the one that infers Gamma is

• Angry at bugs being a baboon
  
• Angry at bugs stupidity and lack of reading comprehension
  
• Voting because he believes someone is scum
  
• Tilted
  
• Caught for the wrong reasons by the lack of reading comprehension
  
• Reacts adversely, causing point 1
  
• Uses fake justification for an attack

[Flea The Magician]

Pooky, NM, Klick, and Infinity can be trusted. Maybe Flea.

I think GL's vote on Dwlee can easily be partnered. I would call GL my second top scumread right now.

Why Klick and why Flea?

and especially how would my vote on Dwlee make sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual? Like if I were scum the last thing I would be doing right now is voting a partner when I could probably come up with an excuse to vote almost anyone

*deep voice* really.

think about how bad that sequence of events is.

1) GL votes dwlee
2) I accuse GL of being partners with dwlee
3) GL says "I can't possibly be partners with dwlee, I voted him one time!"
4) GL

unvotes dwlee and onto dwlee's loudest accuser

VOTE: GuiltyLion

You may well be a alt.. but I like you.

3) GL says "I can't possibly be partners with dwlee, I voted him one time!"

This is not at all what I said, actually

Ain't far from it. Especially given how you voting Dwlee makes no sense as a partner vote when this is explicitly a setup that punishes bussing more than usual.

sigh. VOTE: guiltylion

dwlee, why is guiltylion your top townread?

I see I made a good choice in my early town picks.

like "minimally committal" is just not how I play scum and I have tons of previous mafia PT posts to back this up

I love a self-meta-defence. No really.



My head is doing a nope.

I'm glad I picked Dwlee as my other D1TR.

[Flea The Magician]

@flea give me your strongest reads please. not just pokes and prods in response to posts, I'd like to know how you feel about the game as a whole.

You may be an alt but you don't know me that well it seems I rarely spew reads on demand.

Also implosion is townie for the olive branch reach out as well

Flea shading me in 276 is a real bad look and I think an attempt to goad me into flailing further. There's no point to that post except to try to make me look bad, no attempt at engaging.

Thing is, it's not aimed for you to engage. It's me pointing things out I dislike and what amuse me. I have questions for you elsewhere.

What do you actually think of that initial post?
You know, the one that infers Gamma is
Angry at bugs being a baboon
Angry at bugs stupidity and lack of reading comprehension
Voting because he believes someone is scum
Tilted
Caught for the wrong reasons by the lack of reading comprehension
Reacts adversely, causing point 1
Uses fake justification for an attack

At the risk of completely embarrassing myself, I do see what you're saying here. I think I initially lazy shelved goats as a townread for playing ~ aggressive ~ and because I did think Gamma was being reactive in a way that I could imagine a town!goats genuinely scumreading, and then when I saw you calling it a "massive" reach I didn't buy that because I felt you may be trying to make it look worse than it actually was

Having now been on the other end of a goats push, I am rethinking this a bit now, because I do see the point about how he assumed Gamma was scum caught for bad reasons and he efinitely wasn't giving any weight to a town!Gamma explanation for his behavior

Let me turn this back to you, what is your reads on goats now and why do you not see his claim that me/Dwlee "can easily be partnered" as a similar reach? Fmpov that one is worse because he's straight up making assumptions about alignments rather than reads/motivations

I'm fairly good on goats rn, isn't someone I'd be willing to take into YOLO at this point but I like their style. Your focus on partner-tells is massively worrying for me. Your defence alone justifies goats accusation. Some stretches are good, and get results. Others are just outright awful. Yours on me, is one of the awful ones as you got nothing from it and honestly it looks like a defence attempt using mech as way out.

[Flea The Magician]

MC is someone I cannot sort for the life of me, I've been wrong more times than i've been right and honestly I'm happy letting others sort him.

Might have a read once I'm off my new meds

[Flea The Magician]

Weekend prods suck.

@Mod v/la most weekends

[Flea The Magician]

hey @

MOD

I think you missed my vote for Flea in 367, I'm not voting goats anymore

thank you it is fixed now

GL wasn't voting for me in 367
That's Datisi voting murdercat.

@Mod can we have an up to date and correct votecount please. I am a salty bean and it's time to season.

[Flea The Magician]

well thats just misleading.

#maorsalt.

[Flea The Magician]

Hey information I had at the time told me it was wrong.

I ain't appreciative of mislinked posts which show me things are different and adjusted around what looks to be misleading at the time on a surface skim.

[Flea The Magician]

anyway, prod responded to, I'm going back to what I was doing.

[Flea The Magician]

Prod dodging as I'm about to sleep, I am shattered and it's been a long day.
Will be here tomorrow and will wall you.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm here I'm queer, I'm in a shit mood so I ain't reading up. You wall has been denied, what do I need to know?

[Flea The Magician]

wow I have a rage nap and 5 pages appear. nice.

[Flea The Magician]

Shot in the dark, scum reads appeared on me from around saturday?

[Flea The Magician]

has scum!him tricked you before? if you're scumreading him incorrectly you're probably just expecting too much from his scumgame. though when he's town he doesn't always have the most energy so i'm waiting for him to post a bit more here

If this is at me, then yes. completely pulled the wool over me. at least twice.

Yours on me, is one of the awful ones as you got nothing from it and honestly it looks like a defence attempt using mech as way out.

can you explain what you mean by "defense attempt using mech as a way out", I don't follow what you're saying. When you say "using mech" are you talking about my point that I don't think I would bus in a bussing-worse-than-normal setup?

You made a post, and then you used "Yeah but scum can't bus" as an escape from just how bad the post was if memory serves.

I can see Flea's play around me as kinda scummy regardless of if goats is town or not, the way they dropped the goats suspicion to angle to vote me could be either distancing or pivoting to capitalize on town pushing town, I also don't like that fae still hasn't put down a vote on me despite taking several opportunities to shade me

amusing. and that you see as scummy, more so.

Flea, how does one go about reading you? What things do you tend to do as town but not as scum, and vice versa? I've played in bits of games with you before and not really been sure how I should approach getting a read on you.

You don't, frankly. My scum range is far greater than my town range and my meta is all over the place. So far I am more consistent and higher effort as scum than I am as town, though.

if you have genuine or good faith questions for me that might help you understand why I think what I think better then bring them forward, but otherwise I'm going to have to tune you out so I can hold onto my desire to actually play this game

I hate this is every fiber of my being.

VOTE: Flea the Magician

I think if goats is town, Flea is the most likely scum setting up to jump on the freebie ML wagon and trying to do just enough to make sure it looks Good and Justified

Voting by associatives, amusing. Given by your own words I have not placed a vote, how am I setting up a misyeet vote when I've had more than enough oppotunity to jump on you by now?

[Flea The Magician]

bugspray and Pooky have both visited the site elsewhere but not here since the whole goats/GL thing, in a vacuum I find that slightly suspicious

btw since when are this kind of reads allowed?

It happens, some people don’t like it but it happens
The validity is mixed

on the usual site i play on you'd get a warning from the mods at least

i guess this is the wild west

fwiw I hate elitelling. I don't have the energy some games when I am happy vibing in others. People don't realise they have an energy cost attached to them...

Regarding Flea: I don't have anything nearly so concrete. I read faer iso and idk there was that one post that GL called scummy that I agreed with and some wallish catchups and not a whole lot else there. Really probably should be in the same tier as bugspray/MC. the tiers are just so much more symmetrical this way.

"flea scum because pretty list needs to be pretty."

me being a panicked mess is mostly what happened. don't worry about me, i will be back to annoy you all soon.

Much love Dats <3 hope you're good

pooky, if bugspray's town meta is to do nothing, do you consider bugspray trivially easy to read based just off of their activity level and nothing else? Or do they do nothing as either alignment?

I'm pretty sure bugs has lurked out a scum game with me before...

what's up this is my first time looking at the thread

stoag has arrived...

Flea votes implosion in 59 as faer’s first post of the game, which does strike me as a bit odd.

I'm kind of two minds on this, I don't mind naked votes early game as I think you can often get Informative Content from the way people react to them, but with a hindsight townread on implosion it's certainly possible scum!Flea wanted to nudge an early miselim wagon along while skating by needing to give reasoning or commit to a degree of confidence. The bigger issue standing out to me is that Flea unvoted later and hasn't voted elsewhere since, even in spite of vocalizing a scumread on me while my wagon had momentum.

I don't like that you're dancing around a definitive read on Flea with your posts here, you had fae as town in 383 for 320, what's your past experience with Flea and how confident are you that fae doesn't post that as scum?

Its almost like RVS is a thing. Where votes fly and the reasons dont matter. much.

oh and ftr I have 2 modes, hyperpost, nopost.

Gamma/Dwlee/implo? Probably all people I could push, I could easily have voted and oops NM hammers with very little pressure on me for it

You're not that stupid, for one. as either alignment.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm here I'm queer, I'm in a shit mood so I ain't reading up. You wall has been denied, what do I need to know?

literally passed out moments later. Episode-induced-rage naps are fun.

think that my readslist currently looks something like:

{nsg}
{infinity, datisi}
{klick}
{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty}
{implosion, NM} - null
{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea}

You make near zero mention of me, so whats the beef/chicken/tofu?

Is it just me or does Flea feel low-key scummy?

Is it me or is this a cheap reason to scumread?
Amazing how many scumreads I pick up when I'm quiet.

I’d rather explore the topic of Flea before having a MURDERCAT/dwlee thunderdome

Oh this is gunna be good.

... it wasn't. it was boring.

[Flea The Magician]

Given by your own words I have not placed a vote, how am I setting up a misyeet vote when I've had more than enough oppotunity to jump on you by now?

I'm not following this - I didn't like that it felt like you were setting yourself up to vote me without committing, off the back of goats winding me up (in 276 and 317). It doesn't retroactively make those posts better just because you didn't follow through on them, if anything they've aged worse. Townies should be voting their scumreads to put them under real pressure and forcing everyone else to react to the wagon, not sitting around with no stakes in the game taking potshots at the players under fire

Alternatively, I can acknowledge I'm of a compromised mental state (I'm on antibiotics rn, I've made no secret of this) and am trying to be as careful as I reasonable can be throwing my vote around.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Flea the Magician

I don't like any of the Dwlee/MC/NSG wagons currently

Pooky - I see where you're coming from, I definitely don't think this is inspiring play from MC, but I noticed in another game he said "Infinity knows me best" and I think Infinity's meta read holds up

Amazing, votes me but gives no reason other than "I don't like other wagons" and "You didn't vote!!"

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

Another empty vote.

How about giving some reason to your scumread? You've hardly mentioned me at all and I seem to be the bottom of your list.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Goats
Someone explain flea wagon to me

They can't, they're all dodging it.

Nobody can ever explain a wagon on me, mind.

[Flea The Magician]

p-edit: Flea I did already give the main one several times - you shaded me repeatedly while goats was hardpushing me yet never voted me. The secondary one is you haven't engaged with most of the slots in the game and haven't voted beyond your RVS this entire day phase, I'm not seeing any solving coming out of your play just dirt repeatedly thrown at me whenever you do post

You realise there's more than just the normal way to play mafia, right?
Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.
Admittedly since saturday my head has been an absolute trainwreck and the fact I've spent 3 hours in my head back in secondary/high school because of someone triggering me, then spent 2 hours crying and 3 hours sleeping I tend to forget where I even am.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

Another empty vote.

How about giving some reason to your scumread? You've hardly mentioned me at all and I seem to be the bottom of your list.

I think most of why I think you can be scum is despite having a decent number of posts I can remember like zero of the stances you’ve taken
So: what’s your thought on Murdercat and Pooky?

I cannot read MC at all. I'm literally 0% for reads.
Pooky is doing pooky things, cautious town for now.

[Flea The Magician]

Ah yes because a cautious town read is not a valid read ^_^

[Flea The Magician]

Ah yes because a cautious town read is not a valid read ^_^

I just want you to actually take a hard stance

Do you realise how rarely I actually ever lock a read?

[Flea The Magician]

flea always gets wagoned and i feel bad for faer

i don't really think anything fae has been accused is ai

Eh I'm used to it at this point, flea game ain't a flea game if I'm not the D1.

[Flea The Magician]

Another read with no basis.

Hey gamma, pooks is town.

[Flea The Magician]

GuiltyLion
Gamma Emerald
Dwlee99
implosion

Datisi
Flea the Magician
PookyTheMagicalBear
Infinity 324
MURDERCAT
Klick

northsidegal
Not_Mafia
goats

This is where I'm at when I just put everyone into what my head associates with their slot and I'm annoyed I have much less solid townreads than before. If I'm wrong on Esooa I am probably wrong on northside cause I'm bad at this game.

Now on the other side of a D3... Why dnt you have a read on me? Everyone else does

[Flea The Magician]

{infinity, datisi} -

No one has pushed them that I recall

{klick} -

Hardly pushed

{goats, pooky, gamma, guilty} -

been pushed/shaded moderately

{implosion, NM} - null -

implosion has been pushed more than the above. NM kind of sticks out here

{MURDERCAT, dwlee, flea} -

Me and MC have been pushed a lot and flea is not posting much.

I also think if NSG flips scum it implicates NM and maybe flea now that I think about it. Cause they're the two slots that buck the trend of going along with thread health. So hero solve is just {NSG, NM, Flea} but only if NSG is scum.

I'm pulling a dwlee.
"you are wrong."

pedit: You're not. But your solve and your list dont line up.

[Flea The Magician]

You have missed the question.

Everyone has a read on mem why dont you?

[Flea The Magician]

Probably, I low post when not well, and its NAI

[Flea The Magician]

I'm really torn on Dwlee. I struggle to read them, so I did the townlock thingie gamma suggested and there's been a lot of "don't push... don't dew it... just no." moments and I'm actually thinking Dwlee has been pretty town here.

[Flea The Magician]

What are don't push it don't dew it moments?

my resisting prodding you for something

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

... I'm at pressure?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: flea

meh. at least until i get a response to my q in one of the wallposts. no, this is not just a glorified "answer my question" post.

... Did I miss something?

[Flea The Magician]

Seems I don't have a vote anyway lol

[Flea The Magician]

Seems I don't have a vote anyway lol

dang nagit i messd up the vote count sorry flea fixd now

<3

In post 803, Flea The Magician wrote:
Just because it looks like I'm not doing much, it doesn't mean I'm not doing much.

while this is an absolute mood, i'm not sure i like this being paired in with such... defensiveness? omgus? i dunno. like if you admit it looks like you're not doing anything, are you really surprised someone is scumreading you for it? do you think town!guiltylion should've not scumread you there?

ftfy, and no I'm not surprised, what I am surprised at is just how bad the actual reads on me are. GL has shown they are more than capable of putting out a decent reason on me.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, two leading wagons at pressure refusing to vote one another

i was thinking how dwlee is town because they're not voting flea (and said they don't want to) when fae seems like the most likely counterwagon, then i wanted to vote flea, then i was like, wait if flea doesn't wanna vote dwlee who is faer most likely counterwagon, shouldn't i by the same logic be townreading fae but *then* i was like hang on a second, what would the dragon do here

... I'm at pressure?

I both get this and want to ask for more info
why don't you feel pressured, Flea?

I'm at 3/7 and the reasons on me are literally "PoE!"
Especially given 2 of those are capable of better.

[Flea The Magician]

I feel like you've been miseliminated enough that you'd kinda feel the heat from that anyway
am I wrong?

I either get angry or apathetic. If I get angry I flail and am scum, if I get apathetic I'm scum because low effort flea is SAI apparently. (Its not, its TAI if AI at all)

[Flea The Magician]

also, out of curiosity, who's the odd one out who isn't capable of better?

You're the one I'm unfamiliar with, so I don't know if to expect better.

[Flea The Magician]

Compare to Death Curse.

I've slept since then

[Flea The Magician]

also, out of curiosity, who's the odd one out who isn't capable of better?

You're the one I'm unfamiliar with, so I don't know if to expect better.

interesting, although you skipped over my more salient question.

Because what I make of it, is another game of D1 flea wagons.


Don't get me wrong. I work better under a bit of pressure.
But it doesn't take a psychologist to see the difference in from from SoD to now. There's OGI affecting my ability to play currently.
I've spent the last 3 days both combatting my own trauma and supporting another through theirs. I am low on spell slots

[Flea The Magician]

whoops I meant to include that and just snip the quoted posts above, bc fae was dodging giving a read on MC. The fact that there's no engagement with Pooky's MC deathtunnel given a townread on Pooky is suspicious

I was planning to say more about that in a minute and case Flea proper once I was done catching up

Ya know something... I am going to dedicated a 3td level slot/pile of spoons just to dismantle your case when it comes up GL.

Because this is going to be hilarious.

So hilarious I'm literally going to null post until you do it.

[Flea The Magician]

actually you know what

I was maybe halfway through laying out reasons to lim Flea today - the main ones being no initiative to engage with Pooky's push on MC indicating no incentive/drive to sort MC, the weird mixture of acknowledging a lack of engagement but effectively OMGUSing slots that are voting faer, and no use of vote or engagement with any of the main wagons of the game

but then as I was re-ISOing I was trying to think about 803 and that post really strikes me as genuine here


Given personal experiences with loved ones with PTSD I can see a lot of faer play making much more sense if their health/state has really been in that condition and I don't think scum would use it to excuse lurky/disengaged play

so I think I just need to reset completely on that read because I got major cold feet as I was writing up the case
you know how like once you start actually trying to write down your reasoning and then you're like wait am I just wrong and full of [Cyrus]
UNVOTE:

<3 I never lie about my health. I am a godsdamned yoyo at the best of times and with the array of things I have, even that's surprising. I'm limiting games at the moment (see Sig) because I've recognises the shift in my health and figured I could manage at least one.

Ok, so I genuinely can't read MC like at all, I am 0% on reading MC properly, I'm 50%ish on reading pooks.

I'm not voting Dwlee because as per Gammas exercise, they are my locktown read for today, same as Datisi is. Both are my personal no touchy list.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm not sure why you'd ever yeet me D1 when I consistently do better/and get easier to read with time. If you want info and think dwlee is town yeet nsg who is actually good at scum

ok but while you're a slow starter, you do lurk it out as scum. And this came up twice that I remember and accurately.

[Flea The Magician]

Don't need to. I was in at least 3 of those games with you. Doesn't change that you lurking out as scum means you're going to get flak for the slow starter thing.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm

now, i don't think we've actually played together before nor do i think you've been in a game i've modded, but i sort of get the feeling that you probably would never make that kind of comment as town. i think that if i were just trying to keep things super simple 1109 alone probably warrants your death.

Actually death kitty has said that before repeatedly, it's their literal D1 defence and they're not wrong either.

VOTE: NorthSideGal

[Flea The Magician]

hmm

now, i don't think we've actually played together before nor do i think you've been in a game i've modded, but i sort of get the feeling that you probably would never make that kind of comment as town. i think that if i were just trying to keep things super simple 1109 alone probably warrants your death.

Actually death kitty has said that before repeatedly, it's their literal D1 defence and they're not wrong either.

VOTE: NorthSideGal

by the way, question for you flea – are you voting me here just because you think i'm wrong on murdercat? why did this post lead you to vote me?

Do you a swap, you tell me why you're voting me, and I'll tell you why I'm voting you.

You first.

[Flea The Magician]

i voted you because i saw your reaction to guiltylion's vote on you and wanted to elicit something further.

And what did you gain from that? Anything? Nothing?

[Flea The Magician]

oh, you broke your promise, you didn't answer 1158.

i honestly would answer that question that you just asked, but i'd prefer if you'd answer that first.

I never promised, I offered a deal
I feel there's a strong agenda behind your actions, your votes and stances seem too deliberate to be town and feel sorta orchastrated.

[Flea The Magician]

Yes i am mystic

When dafuq did you get here?

[Flea The Magician]

oh, you broke your promise, you didn't answer 1158.

i honestly would answer that question that you just asked, but i'd prefer if you'd answer that first.

I never promised, I offered a deal
I feel there's a strong agenda behind your actions, your votes and stances seem too deliberate to be town and feel sorta orchastrated.

and what posts contribute to that feeling? or, alternatively, how long have you felt that way? what about 1120 lead to you voting me?

Nice try, your turn again.

i voted you because i saw your reaction to guiltylion's vote on you and wanted to elicit something further.

And what did you gain from that? Anything? Nothing?

[Flea The Magician]

without trying to come across as hostile, i'm not really interested in playing any sort of one question a turn game with you. all i care about is trying to read you accurately, and if

you

care about that happening then it would help me if you were more forthcoming with your thought process.

to be clear, i'm not being reticent just for fun or to be annoying or whatever. the specific reason i'm avoiding elaborating on my read on you is to avoid influencing your behavior, a policy i hold pretty consistently across every game i've played for a long time now.

It's much easier to just say "nothing".

[Flea The Magician]

wow, it's really quite unpleasant to try to interact with you. i don't mean to offend you by saying that, although i recognize that it probably is something of an offensive thing to say.

I'm not offended at all, I know I'm an absolute arse at times.

My point here is I've asked you things and I've responded in due time.
You seem to want to avoid the questions.

And before you call it, this is not bad faith, just is just how I'm seeing it.

[Flea The Magician]

Ye gods 4 votes from nowhere.

Anyone wanna give a little context?

[Flea The Magician]

here.

sass noted

[Flea The Magician]

But he was blue mafia

[Flea The Magician]

also I'd like everyone else who directly gave selections to tell me what they're thinking of their picks atp
flea most of all I think

I'm happy with not-quite-locking Dats as town, honestly.
Dwlee I need to put some time into rereading, but I'm leaning town there still

[Flea The Magician]

@Gamma - so yeah I still have you as locktown but N_M I think is just scum who got me with a good early game

p-edit: hmmm I just saw DGB do a similar "didn't realize the NK" townslip as town, I could maybe buy that one

also I think flea did notice the NK and is being cheeky about it

I honestly forgot about that but yeah I'd make the same comment either way lol

[Flea The Magician]

Well I'm waiting for a VC because I'm pretty sure that's close to NM hammer range.

Dwlee your votes are causing me smol concern btw.

[Flea The Magician]

this wagon is moronic

Then tell us why you're town, you're NM-1 and frankly I don't like your contributions.

[Flea The Magician]

Cyrus I gotta admit, you have some good taste on occasion

Anyway.

Dwlee and Implo amuse me and are no touchy today. I'd need to review GL but given current medical condition that is unlikely to happen, i'll sheep consensus a bit there and leave alone, but they stay in the bottom of my list.

[Flea The Magician]

so with N_M's vote on NSG it pretty much certainly means her partner would be in flea/infinity/implosion right?

I doubt that scum would be incentivized to carry out a bus on a buddy on D1 in this set up, even if they look like dead weight. Distancing definitely in play but I don't know if I would think that scum!goats paired with scum!bugs would be

more

likely to vote there once it picks up 4-5 votes, I could buy them instead trying to promote the idea that the slot is just low hanging fruit

Go on then, on what planet am I scum with NSG?

[Flea The Magician]

Infy if you're scum here I am seriously never trusting you again.

[Flea The Magician]

it's funny, i find myself going through reoccurring patterns and yet each time i believe that i'm good enough to change it the next one around. i'm often not.

unfortunately i don't exactly have a ton of time to really high effort this game. i am really curious to hear a more clear version of why exactly people think i'm scum, though - especially from pooky, who indicated at least some familiarity with my play on d1.

i'd appreciate at least maybe getting the chance to reread day one with the flips in mind, which i haven't gotten a chance to do. not sure why people seem to think that my absence for day two was somehow alignment indicative.

Did you just scumclaim? O.o

[Flea The Magician]

...

NSG AtE does not sit well with me and pooky gives me.bad vibes D:.

Butts.

[Flea The Magician]

nsg- pretty sure her only possible partner is flea here so not really into this elim. she's also just pretty towny idk

Wanna expand on this for me Infy?

[Flea The Magician]

.. is.. is that for me or fr you? o.o

[Flea The Magician]

I am admittedly absent and lurky.

I'm still highly susbof you, though you are slowly crawling out of that pit
Pooky has me raising an eyebrow but I do think this is town pooky.
NSG I need to read, and read the case on.
Dwlee is someone I consistently struggle to read and they're annoyingly a hard null rn.
Implo I'm not familiar with, and while the emotion seems genuine I need to have a quick read to see if it town or scum emotion.

Tldr: neither do I currently.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah this is a rediculous stall. Makes me thing NSG is town tbh. I can't see scum being happy with one of theirs at Eviction-1

[Flea The Magician]

Probably you, in honesty. You're the next wagon and my apathy for this game is insane.
Pain sucks.

[Flea The Magician]

genuinely can't even remember who I voted for, never mind my reads.

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I guess we find out soon.

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Pooky being alive this long always worries me, ngl.

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I genuinely don't see why you have GL so high

[Flea The Magician]

I genuinely don't see why you have GL so high

Do you think GL vs goats d1 might have been scum theater? I think it's really unlikely given the scope, the vitriol, the way GL reacted to it, the fact that this is white flag and it looked like it was going to lead to an elimination, etc, etc.

What are your general opinions on the game right now?

I need to reread that.

The game is stagnant, it's in an ideal state for scum rn. I hate this. I hate it as either alignment, honestly. but my current medical and mental state is preventing me actively doing something about it -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

@Mod V/LA due to rapid MH decline

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: enchant

[Flea The Magician]

Is that all you have to go on me?

There's a lot of people throwing nothing but associative sus at me rn and it's well fishy.

[Flea The Magician]

Fishy in what way?

Normally there's oodles of non-associative SRs on me. rn it all seems association based

[Flea The Magician]

Okay but what does fishy mean. Are there scum pushing you?

Good question.

[Flea The Magician]

Flea is always a good flip around this point in a game in fairness. Especially when flea is as spaced out as flea is rn.

[Flea The Magician]

Happy to hammer

[Flea The Magician]

That's means WE ARE YOLO TIME NERDS.
VOTE: implo[/UV]

[Flea The Magician]

I am tempted to stick with my gut, and go GL. Because they really have no been sitting well with me at all.

[Flea The Magician]

Well I think there's a solid chance both of you are town so I'd appreciate if you could reconsider since we're in limlo.

How do you square GL being scum with goats's aggressive tunnel of him on day one?

What makes you think I'm not reconsidering? Why so defensive of GL?

[Flea The Magician]

Casual misgendering noted ftr.
And admittedly if I knew I was going to be this deep in the mental doo-doo I would've bailed.

Even in minimal posting I am quite readable imo. Chaotic, yes, but there's no reason nobody here should have a null/PoE read on me imo.

[Flea The Magician]

I never giving up on my gutreads which are that strong ever again.