Micro 1026: 09:12 | Game Over

[Dwlee99]

Votecount:

• Not voting: All players

With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-09-11 15:19:01).
MOD NOTES: I'm doing VCs by hand so let me know if there are any errors.

This game is over, let's start by massclaiming. This is the order I propose.

Marci
Ali
Math
IV
Datisi
Dwlee
STD
Norwee

I'll be honest I do not care when I claim but Norwee's position I will not change.

@STD, Dwlee, Norwee

- Any objections or positions that you want moved?

Alisae only processed that George not caring about being e-1 could mean he wasn't a PR when I pointed it out to him. Can town quickhammer there? Yes. But I think it's scummy and you and IV seem keen to hard clear alisae over it.

The choices here are 1.) STD was the attempted night kill or 2.) He wasn't the attempted night kill. I don't get why he would be the night kill target there, so I feel like scum either no targeted or norwee blocked the kill elsewhere. So having an immediate call for mass claim immediately the next day is scummy to me.

[Dwlee99]

I townread Marcistar for the record, and for an reason.
Scum probably bussed.

If norwee stopped the kill it'd probably be marci. But I also think he realized she was jailkeeper at this point?

[Dwlee99]

pedit: have we checked norwee's iso for crumbs?

way ahead of you

[Dwlee99]

honestly if i had to tell, i'd say that dwlee maybe kinda sorta feels a little bit too sure in things they're saying. idk some of their cases/convictions feel too sure. but asking to be jailed is kinda suicide for scum!them...

notes for what i need to do tomorrow:
- check whether this kinda play in a shit position is within scum!iv's range
- check whether dwlee gets this sure/changes their mind this quickly on things lategame and maybe try to look at a scumgame (fuck second hand meta)

ok it's 3:30am i'm going to sleep now, see y'all tomorrow

pedit: have we checked norwee's iso for crumbs?

Didn't you just play with me in MBOS

[Dwlee99]

I saw @Datisi out by the park today, feeding birds m&m’s laced with arsenic.
Gonna tell my boy at the towncore @xXGeorge_BaileyzXx what’s going on.
#Towngang4lyfebaby #ScumneedstoDIE #Follow&ifollowback

this post lmao

[Dwlee99]

Like if people aren't gonna vote STD they need to explain what the hell happened and I am seeing none of that.

I mean, rather than consider that scum HAD to target an seemingly unlikely nightkill, there is also the possibility the second PR is an doctor/Babysitter and blocked the kill elsewhere no?

norwee channel to me who was targeted n1 ty

[Dwlee99]

Didn't you just play with me in MBOS

sure i did

but there things felt pretty clear from my pov so i kinda wasn't paying attention to what you were saying as long as it ended in "kill t3" or "don't kill datisi"

and also something about your posting here pings me in a weird way and i'd have to reread tomorrow to see if it's actually something or it the tiredness from the past few days is getting to me

Norwee and Mastina were like "kill datisi then t3" and I was like "NO"

[Dwlee99]

I feel like you're not in my head right now

[Dwlee99]

There are parts of my case on Alisae that are just this is scummy. There are other parts where I support the scum play I'm seeing by establishing how it makes sense from a scum perspective on the narrative layer.

[Dwlee99]

honestly if i had to tell, i'd say that dwlee maybe kinda sorta feels a little bit too sure in things they're saying. idk some of their cases/convictions feel too sure. but asking to be jailed is kinda suicide for scum!them...

notes for what i need to do tomorrow:
- check whether this kinda play in a shit position is within scum!iv's range
- check whether dwlee gets this sure/changes their mind this quickly on things lategame and maybe try to look at a scumgame (fuck second hand meta)

ok it's 3:30am i'm going to sleep now, see y'all tomorrow

pedit: have we checked norwee's iso for crumbs?

You backup modded when I was scum in ELO 2216

[Dwlee99]

Scum ELO:
Mini 2216: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86913
King's New Robes: viewtopic.php?f=84&t=87058

Town lategames:

LN 233: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774
Mini 2218: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87005
Yggdrasil: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86704
Chrono trigger: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87275

Town ELO:
Tic-tac-toe: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86679
Mini 2214: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86693
Hydra micro: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=87385
Mini 2223: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211
MBOS: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=87360
Cult game: viewtopic.php?f=52&t=86780

[Dwlee99]

But being confident is just a game by game thing so I'm not really sure what you should do with this.

LN 233 had me super confident two days before ELO

Chrono trigger I had some confidence the last day

Tic-tac-toe I was screaming at town to do something we did not do and lost cause of it

MBOS you were there and I was very insistent on RCE/Ari and then T3.

2223 the ELO I was very confident math was scum by the end.

Cult game I was saying who the CL was and no one listened to me.

Hydra micro day before ELO I was very insistent that gypyx needed death and it took til ELO to get him voted out.

2214 was me flubbing ELO bad oops that game started in may though so I was still warming up.

White flag I wasn't super confident at the end but I did have a tell on enchant/GL and then said I thought one of enchant/NM had scum.

My scum ELOs attempt to mimic my town ones. 2216 I was playing more like my earlier minis where I was just trying to figure things out (which I do as town too so) and King's new robes was more aggressive but still kind of trying to give off uninformed vibes.

[Dwlee99]

I can keep the case simple if that works better: this sequence comes from scum.

Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Dwlee I'm really not buying it

Okay, so it is Datisi? Or what?

please continue

very cool dwlee
what else ya got

i'm not buyin IV
and I'm not buyin it's Datisi
only 1 option left really

I think Datisi is town based on my conversation with him on D2. They strongly believed it was not Save the Dragons for reasons that were good and when I asked them "who dun it" it seemed like they just didn't know since we talked about IV prior. I genuinely believe he didn't know anything. Very hard to fake.
I don't buy that IV's actions come from scum. Period. End of discussion there. And honestly even if they do, I will give Datisi his win. He deserves it. His actions during the duration of the game compared to the events that happened in the game do not match with what scum wants to be doing. It's much more likely the guy just doesn't know anything.
Both of the players above if scum consider me fooled.

I have a really hard time seeing ur actions based on this day phase alone as villagery.
I can sense the unease you feel knowing that you just played right into my hands.
I can sense the danger you feel as you as you quickly switch your target from IV to me knowing that IV might just not be possible.

I think ur push on IV comes from scum. That's about it really

that's really cute that you think you have any authority in deciding that

I'm obvtown

im sorry i don't see it how?

[Dwlee99]

And you can say I'm taking charge and pushing a narrative but that doesn't change my alignment soooo

Anyway I'm claiming my action last because I think I'm the most obviously town here. It's ELO, don't just vote willy nilly etc.

People called this scummy cause I was trying to take charge and lead us to victory in an ELO where all scum were in my bottom four. Dead chat thought I was scum but I was winning the game for us

[Dwlee99]

Gamma can probably read me this is good

[Dwlee99]

dwlee, why is 1843 a sequence that comes from scum

It reads to me like openwolfing

It's gloating

It doesn't read like something town would say

It's off-puttingly aggressive

It's really just out of pocket entirely

[Dwlee99]

Like does that sequence feel like Alisae wants to figure out my alignment or does it feel like he wants to antagonize me?

[Dwlee99]

If you knew I was town would you think Alisae was scum for that sequence?

[Dwlee99]

But then wouldn't that mean Alisae was pretending to be sure of my alignment, not actually sure because he was clearly wrong?

[Dwlee99]

Do you not believe that there are scummy tones

[Dwlee99]

i don't particularly care about the tone it was presented in

Like ???

[Dwlee99]

It's not word twisting. It's pointing out that if someone is "sure" of something but turns out to be wrong, it becomes more likely they were pretending to be sure.

[Dwlee99]

A "sure" tone is also completely incongruent with the content + read progression that he has. The content of the posts is that he wants me dead through process of elimination, but the tone is that he caught something that must mean I'm scum. A content + tone incongruency is extremely scummy there

[Dwlee99]

Jailkeeper target should be on the player we want to clear tomorrow.
I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.
I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee

Do these reasons feel like they match the sureness presented in that sequence?

"Playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game" aka pushing my reads and trying to solve. He thinks scum would try to develop reads and push them to win, and therefore I'm scum. When that's also exactly what town do to try to win? The whole game? The reasons don't match the confidence at all

[Dwlee99]

Who else can I think has done this to me...

[Dwlee99]

Good morning. My name is goats because I am the GOAT. I will begin this game by voting obvious scum.

VOTE: Dwlee99

VOTE: Dwlee99

I wish I had two votes to give but I only have one.

Yeah I'm basically always voting Dwlee here especially after the talk about implosion's AtE.

Pooky, NM, Klick, and Infinity can be trusted. Maybe Flea.

I think GL's vote on Dwlee can easily be partnered. I would call GL my second top scumread right now.

I think goats is scum now

fastest omgus in the west

The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.

Yeah I'm about to churn out buckets of content you're hanging back and lightly poking at things. Considering how briefly I've been in thread I don't believe this is real at all.

The most manufactured scumread I think I've seen. Scumreads me for post size when they do the same sort of posts as me.

Yeah I'm about to churn out buckets of content you're hanging back and lightly poking at things. Considering how briefly I've been in thread I don't believe this is real at all.

You said you read two pages lmfao

Actually I didn't read them I skimmed then without reading barely anything. And you're omgusing me. Before I even make real reads. Cause you're a wolf

Dwlee do you have a read on my posts that isn't "they wolf read me!"

Okay well you're a wolf

You avoided the game for multiple RL days how is that town indicative for you here

I'm not interested in arguing with a wolf who is invested in disagreement

didn't talk about Dwlee as my position is out there and already obvious, but I still think everything they're doing is just wolfy, lmao. I'll case them later if necessary but for right now I'm not too interested in doing that

Dwlee, my read on you was literally as cursory as it gets. I'm not wolf reading you for having short posts. I'm wolf reading you for having bad posts and reads now. Like for example still being stuck on my literal entry to the thread and having absolutely nothing to say about anything I posted after that fact. This is Esooa btw, and I've read nothing but this page and am going to leave again now

Dwlee is a wolf

We can just vote off Dwlee I'm annoyed his responses are so bad so I changed my mind and am leaving

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee I think Ali also could be colored by him doubly believing me at Datisi are town he has stated this many times

so the sureness could be the scum reasons he posits and the PoE on me and Datisi

i get what ur saying but it doesn’t necessarily feel incongruent to me

Okay but I'm town so that doesn't leave room for you and Datisi and Alisae town

[Dwlee99]

You really need to provide better reasons for it not being incongruent than "well maybe he is sure on the PoE" because I feel like I've explained why that isn't an explanation for it. And I feel like we are going in circles where I'm like this thing is bad here is why and then you and Datisi do this big stretch of like well maybe it comes from town possibly. Any post could come from any alignment theoretically but I'm very sure this is scum

[Dwlee99]

A content + tone incongruency

[Dwlee99]

A "sure" tone is also completely incongruent with the content + read progression that he has. The content of the posts is that he wants me dead through process of elimination, but the tone is that he caught something that must mean I'm scum. A content + tone incongruency is extremely scummy there

i'm sorry i just don't get it? like i don't get how that tone must mean "i saw something dwlee did and that is scummy so they're scum" versus "i have townreads on the two other people, and dwlee is posting now and i think they're scum"

like idk i just don't see how those posts necessarily mean "i saw a specific thing that made me scumread dwlee"?

Reread the posts. They aren't "Idk I just think you're scum cause PoE" vibes. They're "wow you're so obviously scum haha die now"

[Dwlee99]

If my first mislim in 30 games since May is cause of this obviously scum play I stg

[Dwlee99]

Ali’s tone feels consistently bad looking at ISO

Tytyty

[Dwlee99]

The timeline on Ali pushing me is I case IV -> Ali goes for my neck. I think Ali was hoping I push IV and then I get slimmed and then they eliminate IV tomorrow for the win based on my push.

[Dwlee99]

thr vast majority of my alisae townread comes from the day 1 hammer.

This pisses me off because hammering there isn't an IC check. It's just not.

[Dwlee99]

I've already lost if I'm scum by agreeing to be jailkept. There isn't a world where I'm scum here

[Dwlee99]

Jailkeeper target should be on the player we want to clear tomorrow.
I would rather kill Dwlee than clear him tomorrow because Dwlee's play seems textbook scummy based on this phase alone. It seems like he is playing as I think scum would play right now if scum is trying to win the game.
I don't care who gets jailkept as long as it's not Dwlee

Meanwhile Alisae doesn't want me jailkept because I'm the only seriously scumreading him other than now Gamma

[Dwlee99]

This is WIFOMy because it's the exact argument you made in MBOS and I could have done this specifically to appeal to it, but Alisae was the universal townread so why would I as scum attack the highest townread

[Dwlee99]

and like i also think ali had no reason to think that any of us would've known that and would've brought it up

also uh, my argument was that attacking norwee/mastina as scum made no sense when scum!me could've tried to score a misyeet elsewhere

here alisae attacked you first, no?

ok off to sleep for real, need to get up early tomorrow

Mastina was also calling you scum no?

[Dwlee99]

I don't understand why I play well when I do and if I did telling probably would make it not work

[Dwlee99]

One day I'll catalog my games and I'll see if I actually had good games in a row or if I'm just picking the ones I remember because I remember them being good but also I think it might just be I roll town a lot and site meta is town sided rn so I'm more likely to win

[Dwlee99]

Also someone, preferably gamma, tell me if I'm pulling a LN 233 where Alisae is the stand-in for Chaos.

[Dwlee99]

Alisae can you link me scum games of yours.

[Dwlee99]

Did y'all seriously not sign your hydra

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe in meta I just want to check a very specific thing in your scum game so sure link me another one

[Dwlee99]

What's up gamma

[Dwlee99]

Meta is bad. Always. What I am doing isn't meta

[Dwlee99]

Then what ARE you doing
Also I fundamentally disagree that meta is bad

Not meta

And meta is bad

See any game with me and t3 to see this argument

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe in meta I just want to check a very specific thing in your scum game so sure link me another one

sure 1 sec
out of curiosity what is this thing

I think if I say it becomes less effective

[Dwlee99]

Also I will look at that link later

Pedit: coinky dink

[Dwlee99]

God those emojis make me wish I was a double voter get me OUT

[Dwlee99]

But you still were willing to give me links to your scum game tho

[Dwlee99]

I actually couldn't I kept trying to go through your topics to find one mad couldn't

[Dwlee99]

I actually couldn't I kept trying to go through your topics to find one mad couldn't

...
VOTE: dwlee99
You know why.

I wanted to find an Alisae scum game, clicked on like five games and half them I don't think Alisae even played in, and then gave up

[Dwlee99]

I'm trying to think of why and really don't get it. I'm on mobile in a call so not completely focused

[Dwlee99]

He seems townie

[Dwlee99]

Probably if we lim me

[Dwlee99]

I meant iv can win if we lim me

[Dwlee99]

Gamma do I get to know the reason or should I keep trying to think of one

[Dwlee99]

tbh the only reason why we're even at each other heads is because I think Datisi and IV are just townier than you

Yea that's fair

[Dwlee99]

I had a case did you read it

[Dwlee99]

What game is that

[Dwlee99]

Oh that's Chrono trigger okay well I can read it later but I'm not ISOing you right now

[Dwlee99]

I don't scumread him now but I had reasons before. His stances were kinda easy

[Dwlee99]

I noticed only on looking for who he may have babysat night 1 but the big crumb was before I repped in

[Dwlee99]

Off call, time to read through gamma's ISO

[Dwlee99]

Why would you shoot me though? Am I actually a night kill target now?

[Dwlee99]

Okay so what I've found so far is maybe that you (gamma) has rolled scum a lot lately so I should have been able to find a scum game. But I was looking for an Alisae scum game not a your scum game so this only makes sense if you misread what I was saying

[Dwlee99]

Like if I'm scum here I probably kill IV somewhere throughout the game.
Part of why I remained tunneled on you because when I told you I wasn't buyin it, you asked me where else I would go, I laughed at you because I found that post really funny and seemed scummy at the time (i actually laughed quite a bit rl), and then you quoted my STD hammer (which is irrelevant btw and not exactly why I would even be scum for that in the first place) and decided to bring the fight to me. Like why wouldn't I get into a fight with you after that? I was literally egging you on lol. I felt like a villager would maybe as a question or two like why but nah you just went straight in ready for a fight so here we are.

You egged me on. I don't really ask questions when people egg me on

[Dwlee99]

Would you have considered no killing?

[Dwlee99]

I forget how the wheel looks one sec

[Dwlee99]

So a blocking role was confirmed in the game cause either roleblocker + thing or thing + jailkeeper or jailkeeper + thing

[Dwlee99]

Okay so what I've found so far is maybe that you (gamma) has rolled scum a lot lately so I should have been able to find a scum game. But I was looking for an Alisae scum game not a your scum game so this only makes sense if you misread what I was saying

Look at my interactions with the scum in that game.

This narrows it down at least a little

[Dwlee99]

What am I looking for?? Which scum player? I looked for posts where you quote guillo/Robert/mastina and I don't see anything relating to this

[Dwlee99]

I don’t know which games of yours are scum games though, you do. I don’t need links per se, but names would definitely help. But I guess even that’s too much for you?

And you think i know those games by memory? No, i have to actually look for them, it would be easier if i had a wiki but seems like i have not qualified to get a wiki so… you will have to do with reading me based on this game or do the due diligence Gamma.

You can make your wiki yourself, you know.

Is it this? I can't find anything else relevant. I did find quotes about Guillotina talking about "goading scum" though

[Dwlee99]

Bruh

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

I will never retrieve the time I spent

I'm only even awake right now because someone (who sounds drunk?) is outside my window singing very poorly

[Dwlee99]

It's just singing, not a specific song. Also a car alarm is going off now lmao

[Dwlee99]

Normally I don't say this because I like being able to just obvtown myself into victory, but I want to be the jailkeep target tonight if IV flips town. Then at least I won't get mislimmed and can pick between Datisi/Alisae.

So I remember at some point Alisae said scum do anything to stay alive which is why I might suggest being jailkept but I argued for it before Alisae even attacked me

[Dwlee99]

My scum game is good. If I was magically in this position as scum I think I'd be trying to get into the position of "town we trust to win the game on" which would require not being jailkept. How I would do that I'm not really sure. Just trying to seem townie ig? I think the thing I do in this game if I'm scum is just not let day one happen as it did. MathBlade was saying that there was that 2x2x2 thing (which George was part of iirc) so I'd just not bus there. I could have voted you or marci and I had ample reason to do so. I don't typically bus and this setup ultra incentivizes not bussing so I just wouldn't.

[Dwlee99]

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=62787

This is my peak scum game btw so look at this one

(I'm actually just trying to make a wiki kind of rn so I'm looking through my old games. This was my first "real" game on site.)

[Dwlee99]

I regret linking that. Please don't read things I posted when I was 13.

[Dwlee99]

I'm just doing every single non-blitz non-marathon game. My only advice is wow it takes a while

[Dwlee99]

I'm starting with the earliest games first so it goes chronologically. I'm also separating it by year cause yeah my wiki would be huge if it was all one page

[Dwlee99]

I hardcore multigame and also did when I was younger so I need to separate by year. I think since the end of my hiatus I've been in about 30 games and that's just since May. I think I want to track my winrate but maybe I'll do that privately instead of on my wiki? Idk

[Dwlee99]

I have been doing that to (I completed 2015 and am taking a break) but since it's so long ago I'm just skimming looking for interesting things that may have happened in the game and a reflection on my play

[Dwlee99]

Too*

[Dwlee99]

jeez

i've been playing more than i ever have since june and i've only played in like ~10 games

how do you manage to many at once

I have no idea. I also don't tend to not live to end game so it's not like I'm just dying a bunch either

[Dwlee99]

Maybe you comment in discussion more? That or you multigame harder than me. And/or my "break" from playing was three or four years I think

[Dwlee99]

20+ games

Do 20+ games even run at the same time anymore oml

[Dwlee99]

lol

[Dwlee99]

I don't believe in meta I just want to check a very specific thing in your scum game so sure link me another one

meta bad expect when i do it and it's not meta if i do it

Exactly

[Dwlee99]

anyway the "meta" I just read and yea alisae could be scum

[Dwlee99]

Also ftr I know I sound completely irrational saying I'm not doing meta but I'm actually not and I don't know how to articulate it

[Dwlee99]

I'm vibe checking sort of

[Dwlee99]

Actually I'll call it pooky checking and I think that's the best way to explain it

[Dwlee99]

If it's not Alisae then we are in the bad ending

[Dwlee99]

Where have we gotten

[Dwlee99]

Amazing

[Dwlee99]

Alisae are you evil
[insert anime gif]

[Dwlee99]

I'm doing an Aristeia impression were you fooled

[Dwlee99]

Okay well pack it up

[Dwlee99]

I should start posting reaction images/gifs more in mafia it seems fun

[Dwlee99]

Impressive impersonation

Tyty :pleading:

[Dwlee99]

Lol

[Dwlee99]

Alisae even if you're scum you're still funny

[Dwlee99]

No role pm can take that away from you

[Dwlee99]

If you're scum post orange m&m

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: Alisae eye's only

actually post the brown one

[Dwlee99]

I will try to find a cultural artifact from something I am in to return the favor

[Dwlee99]

:ooo

[Dwlee99]

[Dwlee99]

I think he is a robot

[Dwlee99]

I endorse 2130

[Dwlee99]

If I was scum here I'd be so good wow

[Dwlee99]

Yo is it Datisi though

[Dwlee99]

Ahhh lmao

[Dwlee99]

I blame norwee

[Dwlee99]

I don't think it is datisi or IV right not no matter how much IV's absence scares me

[Dwlee99]

Me saying follower a bunch of times didn't work

[Dwlee99]

Y'know I think if I'm evil here I just kill Marci. Jailkeeper would be s much bigger impediment to winning as scum than follower or babysitter because you can kill the follower the same night that they target you.

[Dwlee99]

Okay thought about it more. For me to be evil would require that I knew that killing jailkeeper was optimal and didn't do it anyway.

We went into night 6 - 1. Killing jailkeeper is 5 - 1 with 1 conftown. This is winnable because follower or babysitter doesn't produce a conftown the same night they get killed. (Well, babysitter kind of does but the person is dead which is better)

Killing norwee first means that jailkeeper gets to conftown a second person from the grave the next day, whereas the follower and babysitter can't conftown someone from the grave.

[Dwlee99]

Norwee first should mean we enter today with 2 conftown if norwee didn't target MathBlade and it would be 4 - 1 with 2 conftown. Which is

2 - 2 - 1
1 - 1 - 1
Where the end is a coin flip by the conftown. The game would have a conftown on the last day assuming Marci actually jailkeeps there whereas killing her first means there is one less conftown unless follower I think

[Dwlee99]

I was hoping I could bait IV into targeting me thinking I was going to follower check him ftr

[Dwlee99]

Jk produces a conftown the night you kill the follower and the night it dies. Follower produces a conftown the night the jailkeeper dies but not the night it died

[Dwlee99]

Babysitter produces one less conftown than follower. Best kill order based on role would have been jailleeper -> follower -> babysitter

[Dwlee99]

Babysitter produces one conftown: itself
Follower: itself + target
Jailleeper: itself + target (including the night they died)

[Dwlee99]

Is that townreads or scumreads

If scumreads bruh

[Dwlee99]

At this point I think it's Ali or datisi no offense to you IV

[Dwlee99]

But the kill happening on the same night is why it is functionally not a conftown. Scum don't need to use a nk there and can kill the PR instead

[Dwlee99]

why are you telling him no offense when you're saying you think he's town

Why not

[Dwlee99]

No it's not because f3 still ends up being 3 unconfirmed

[Dwlee99]

No it's not "so stupid" that's not what I was saying

[Dwlee99]

I think we are arguing different things

I'm talking about killing follower first vs killing babysitter first not in the kill JK world where both should be equivalent endgames

[Dwlee99]

2179 is the continuation of "why are you apologizing to iv for thinking he's town"

Yea I know

[Dwlee99]

Sure I didn't want to cause it seemed kind of rude after I submitted it but I think IV is out of scumrange

[Dwlee99]

No it isn't meta

He seems townie

[Dwlee99]

Posted townie posts

[Dwlee99]

Read his posts Datisi

[Dwlee99]

Is IV good at ate

[Dwlee99]

If I was done my wiki I could search if I have games played with him way back when

[Dwlee99]

Gamma what do you think of lim Alisae jailkeep IV?

[Dwlee99]

Gamma wants to lim IV. I would compromise by having him jailkept in case I'm wrong on Alisae cause then my read on IV is inherently less stable.

[Dwlee99]

I feel like I've been very transparent so idk what you're looking for. I can do more words/quotes/analysis when I'm in a position to, but that's not right now. I have a decently busy day today

[Dwlee99]

I still think IV is more likely to be town than you at this point. If I'm wrong on Alisae though then it's probably better to reeval anyway and at that point I'm fine going with what Gamma wants

[Dwlee99]

IV feels town in the same way that I have sometimes read a player like flea as town. Where you read their posts and you think okay yea maybe they're evil but they're just not.

[Dwlee99]

Bingle
Green cap
Norwee

Fairy
Limit
T3

Mastina
Emperor
RCE

My middle is like town leans but calling the scum team is unlikely so I'd reeval in there if people in bottom list flipped town but I'd think t3 is scum over limit rn but I'm sort of hazy on it if that makes sense.

There is some magic here if I managed to get limit/Bingle/fairy right when the rest of the town was at their throats

[Dwlee99]

okay that feels valid
When did you start to feel that way?

I'll try to find the posts
It was yesterday or the day before I think

[Dwlee99]

Ali ur latest posts are giving me the queasies like you are ranting about this game or something

can you explain why u sound so upset if you’re not scum this game?

uh

Gamma can we slow this one down a bit?

if u decide Ali ultimately fine but I think we should wait a bit

ali why would u shoot me if you think I’m limbait?

honestly the way you have been WKing me this game feels really unnecessary if scum I feel like you could’ve just let me go through

ugh I don’t really think dwlee is scummy like

ig they are townish from

Sheeping Datisi D1 onto George
still efforting rn/D3 play looks somewhat solvy and they are trying to reevaluate things

I’m still voting here spiritually I think but I don’t feel great about it

dwlee how good is your scum game and what would u be doing different here if u were scum?

Around here pretty much

[Dwlee99]

Completely unrelated but I do not like spectrum. They are coming soon to figure out why my internet keeps getting borked

[Dwlee99]

I don't blame you

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*twiddles thumbs*

[Dwlee99]

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If you think it's IV ask for Gamma to jailkeep IV. That or we jailkeep Alisae and lim IV.

[Dwlee99]

Gamma agrees with you that IV is more likely to be scum than I am

[Dwlee99]

I'm weighing the possibility of getting mislimmed vs the possibility of picking wrong

But I might get mislimmed anyway if scum no kill

[Dwlee99]

What does that mean?

[Dwlee99]

Alisae how badly would you prefer picking in the worst-case scenario vs getting to watch from dead thread assuming you're town

[Dwlee99]

IV also same question

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler for my preference: If you give a shit about actually figuring out if it's Datisi or me if it comes down to it then I'd prefer if you were jailkept in case you're town and will actually put a good faith effort forward. If you do not want to put in the effort to pour over tons of things this game to figure out if it's Datisi or I should it come down to it then we should vote you out.

you = IV + alisae

[Dwlee99]

Same but reverse lmao

[Dwlee99]

Also I have mega WIM so I can be the jailkeep target I just do not know if my WIM will translate to figuring it out

[Dwlee99]

Datisi the fact that I'm not saying we need to jailleep you or lim you today means that I think going Alisae -> IV in either order is the most likely pairing to have one scum in it. The moonlogic goes like this: if I'm playing well this game, it's alisae. If I'm not, then flip my reads upside down. You are in the middle.

[Dwlee99]

didn't you recently say that you're good at that sorta thing tho

like the dead thread of white flag?

Yes but considering how close you and IV fit in my brain this is complicated

[Dwlee99]

Mini 2214 is me falling for an ELO guilty. I'm still mad

[Dwlee99]

Asks we do meta (ew)
Doesn't provide link

[Dwlee99]

now i'm wondering if it's dwlee bc they were pretty sure on it not being me in mbos despite the whole game being at my throat

i'm going to sleep before i post more nonsense

Also you were townier there in general and we mind melded multiple times

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: IV
As long as gamma jails alisae.

[Dwlee99]

Datisi just be town and we win

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i don't get how anyone could think i was townie in mbos (fan he x where i kept shitpushing town after town, was barely reading half the time, and was gone for multiple days a few times) vs here (sniped the strongman, been hella active, reading all of the nonsense posted)

i know it's difficult to judge from my pov since i know myself best but like lmao

You were townie in MBOS

[Dwlee99]

Subject: mystery box of silver 13: mafia

Dwlee is irrationaly right

You can also buy into this theory if you want

Oh it looked like your scum game? Good thing meta bad

[Dwlee99]

Wait for gamma to confirm he will jailkeep you ty

[Dwlee99]

Normally when I post around this time it's cause I woke up

This time I have just stayed up this long

Worth it

[Dwlee99]

IV you still don't think it is Datisi right.

[Dwlee99]

Oop

[Dwlee99]

Thank god

[Dwlee99]

Okay see I make my case

And I'm told it's bad

Then I'm mentally biased to strike back at Alisae cause wow those posts were awful fmpov

[Dwlee99]

Well played there IV
Had me confused

[Dwlee99]

Sorry Datisi for not hard townreading you. Sorry to Alisae for tunneling you there kinda but at least it was mutual

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: IV
STD has good reads let's keep him alive

This is funny