Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Qrow and Raven]

Last post was from Tom, this is Susie speaking now:

I like mastina, she's got style and personality.

I don't see how you can claim you don't see how he's obviously trying to eliminate AA9.

It's an objective fact, not an opinion.

- House

Who is “he”? If you mean Dwelee then it’s “they”. Not being the pronoun police or anything but I get confused if people use the incorrect pronouns.

@mom, can you give us a readslist? @Arc too. Thanks.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

Why were you posting elsewhere and not here? Why are you deflecting it on to me? Sorry but your jump on me is seriously scummy because it looks like you’re opportunisticly sheeping Sakura to try to get us miselimed.

I have responded to this already. Asking same question twice, saying same things multiple times doesn't make you right. SCUM!

For the record, the elitell on AA9 is fully 100% invalid to be clear.

However I still think that this response from AA9 to the elitell is more likely to indicate she's scum here.

The main thing that concerned me was her sheeping you without tr you but Idk now.

~R

How many times I had to explain myself about this? I said that when I came way too late into the game. Are you even reading my posts?

Yes, I’m saying that I understand what Gamma was saying. What concerned me is that I didn’t think your reasons for sheeping her were good - not as in scummy but just bad reasoning in general, then you did seem kind if “fencesitty” on her like Gamma said but that could be nia. That’s why I’m asking you for a readslist. It really helped me with Romance.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

As on now:

ArcAngel9 - SUPER TOWN MAMA
Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39) - Was reading them scum but they could be town.
Titus - No clue
Toogeloo - Yet to discover
mastina - I am surprised by her playstyle on this game. I want to hear more.
Elsa Jay - No clue
Sakura Hana - Probably Town
Whemestar - Yet to discover
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky) - TBD
SirCakez - Probably town
Save The Dragons - Town
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal) - Null
dwlee99 - SCUM
tictac - TBD
Momrangal - Null
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician) - Probably Scum
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - TOWN
Romance - TBD
Bell - Probably town
Mirio - Probably Scum
Tomorrow Corporation - TBD

Oh sorry, I missed this.

~R

[Qrow and Raven]

As on now:

ArcAngel9 - SUPER TOWN MAMA
Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39) - Was reading them scum but they could be town.
Titus - No clue
Toogeloo - Yet to discover
mastina - I am surprised by her playstyle on this game. I want to hear more.
Elsa Jay - No clue
Sakura Hana - Probably Town
Whemestar - Yet to discover
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky) - TBD
SirCakez - Probably town
Save The Dragons - Town
Head One and Head Two (T3 + ManateeGal) - Null
dwlee99 - SCUM
tictac - TBD
Momrangal - Null
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician) - Probably Scum
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - TOWN
Romance - TBD
Bell - Probably town
Mirio - Probably Scum
Tomorrow Corporation - TBD

Oh sorry, I missed this.

~R

Can you elaborate more on StD, Bears and Mirio?

[WhemeStar]

VC 1.09

Titus (1):

Mystic Bears

Dwlee99 (1):

ArcAngel9

Tomorrow Corporation (1):

WhemeStar

These three votes are weird. Why do we have people trying to make these outlier votes? These people need to pick something popular, or amp up their motivation and push the reason a little more vocally. In particular, I feel like the Wheme vote on TC is both wasted and futile given the type of player Wheme is. They may as well not be voting at all.

Yo wtf my vote is good

Toog if you had a day shot who are u shooting

[tictac]

There's not much pushback against TC or Mom votes.

It's possible that's because they're being bussed or their team is avoiding associatives in case of flip.

Idk.

I'll be reading the game closer starting on Friday.

- House

Yeah, that’s definitely concerning.

~R

there's kinda a lot of what could be cw attempts for a wagon that's existed for a rl-day. (mom)
dwle(mandelb,AA), AA(dwle,QR,mastina), wheme(thought there was someone trying this, but now i cant find it), QR(Cakes), Cakes(QR)
and defend-via-nullread from Elsa (twice)

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 just talking past me and saying I'm scum in big letters does not inspire confidence

[Dwlee99]

@house I keep saying I'm not confident so idk how you can think I'm confident on this read

[Dwlee99]

What I said is that I don't think you could be serious thinking I scum-claimed there (not only cause I said what if, just in general) but that maybe you could actually be serious. How does your post accusing me of not letting you do hypotheticals/being judgemental/being hypocritical relate to that post?

You said that the fact I wasn't serious makes me scum so weren't either with your what if's posts. You were conveniently being sassy but passing judgments on my play.

In my language, I call such behavior as hypocrisy.

Well, you weren't making a joke. What ifs are still "serious" to me. You were being serious (or pretending to be serious, which is the case where you're scum) that you thought I was scum-claiming. To me I feel like it's more likely you're pretending to be serious than actually serious but also this exact situation has happened before I think where I don't think you could be seriously believing something as town that you say you believe but you're town anyway

Yes I think I might be right this time

You're wrong and you desperately trying to prove you're right because you know what I rolled.

Spoiler:

Aa9 is probably a good vote here

Because I'm town

Don't think you can honestly say the same

As someone who has miseliminated Aa9 many times I am clearly an expert on reading her

Thinking on it, I'm pretty sure arc has been eliminated in every game I've been in with her

Cakez why do you think Aa9 is town besides my terrible read rate on her?

To be contrarian or something.

Okay so arc is evil right let's consolidate?

Either I keep up the streak of mislimming her or I get a dub

Nvm mastina is already voting her anyway other people should also vote aa9

These are the posts I've read just popping in from time to time today where they've been trying to sell her wagon like a 1984 Nissan.

I'm not saying it makes them scum, I'm just saying they're invested in eliminating AA9 just like (by their own admission) every other game they've been in with her, which makes it seem like they want us to consider their campaigning to be NAI instead of letting their work in this game stand on its own merits.

- House

Finally, someone who sees the truth!!!

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House

People that aren't posting

So everyone who is posting is town? You're not scum hunting even one bit and yet you blame others.

VOTE: dwlee

Guess I'm bored.

- House

*Claps*

Here's the sequence of our conversation. I think I explained a lot of things that Aa9 (misunderstood??) about what I said but just responds to me saying I think she is evil instead

[Dwlee99]

Aa9 is objectively scummy, the problem with reading her is she is always objectively scummy so she'll probably get eliminated in almost every game.

[WhemeStar]

I don't hate the vote tho (Houses vote on dwlee)

Do you scumread dwlee?

He’s screaming town for me

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: momrangal

I'm sorry, everyone. I gave it some thought and the raid has a lot of benefits I'd overlooked. I've tried to restrain myself but it's simply an offer I can't refuse. Ugh, I'll probably regret this later.

Join Raid

Really weird post

VOTE: Tomorrow

???

Explain?

~R

Sounds like tomorrow is on the fence and wanted an excuse to join the raid like he was told to do it

[ArcAngel9]

Aa9 is objectively scummy, the problem with reading her is she is always objectively scummy so she'll probably get eliminated in almost every game.

You saying this second time.

Are you that desperate? and for god's sake why don't you check my wiki page, there are so many games I endgame and won as a town. How many games you played with me? a minute number, i have played more games on MS than the games you referring.

You're scummy to me because not of your playstyle because of your motive to call me scum. That's something what a cheap scum like you will do!!

[Dwlee99]

I'm scum because I think you're scum? Really?

[Dwlee99]

I mean okay I've made that argument before but that's more about why they think I'm scum not just that they do

[Mandelbrot]

@house I keep saying I'm not confident so idk how you can think I'm confident on this read

Screaming for someone's blood when you're not even confident they're scum?

Totally makes sense if you don't think about it.

- House

[Mystic Bears]

VC 1.09

Titus (1):

Mystic Bears

Dwlee99 (1):

ArcAngel9

Tomorrow Corporation (1):

WhemeStar

These three votes are weird. Why do we have people trying to make these outlier votes? These people need to pick something popular, or amp up their motivation and push the reason a little more vocally. In particular, I feel like the Wheme vote on TC is both wasted and futile given the type of player Wheme is. They may as well not be voting at all.

Are you calling me scum? Why are those votes weird? Our activity has been in the dirt level low and that means we're behind. What's wrong with that. I don't think i've seen a Titus post that has sparked my interest and made me think she was town. Nor have i seen anyone echo my read on Mirio. Nor do I like any of the current wagons. Like yeah I'll move to a viable wagon nearing deadline but that isn't now.

Like if I had to describe the feeling in more detail, it feels like Mirio fits too well into the town block. It feels like he is explicitly trying hard to be in it and blend in well. And I think that's scummy as heck.

-nornornor

[Dwlee99]

@house I keep saying I'm not confident so idk how you can think I'm confident on this read

Screaming for someone's blood when you're not even confident they're scum?

Totally makes sense if you don't think about it.

- House

Exactly

Here's the deal: we have to consolidate eventually somewhere. Game is lethargic. Aa9 is a fine choice to consolidate on because she is scummy af. Do I know she's scum? No. Am I super confident? No, because she has just always been scummy. She definitely is pinging my radar in a different way than she had before, though, so maybe I actually have calibrated my scumdar to be able to pick something up

[Mystic Bears]

I do feel decent about the townbloc; the scumreads? Not so much.

I'm not sure why you have me in ur town block. i might be mixing you up with the ten other people that can't read me for their life but i remember you as always having a hella hard time coming around to town reads on me. Why do you think I'm town this game?

I feel like an easy way to dodge this bullet is by saying flea but i would much appreciate a read on me as opposed to flea. Like I'm also just concerned cuz the "make all raids happen" sounds like a scum ability to some extent. Like scum do control that so then its really scummy. But then if ur scum, why claim that. Like flashbacks to me claiming town godfather(which i was) but the read on me is just strange.

-bearbearbaebrbeabr

[Mystic Bears]

Ooo pagetop

mmm Im worried. Fenny you didn't roll scum did you :c

-thinkingbearbear

[Mystic Bears]

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House

People that aren't posting

That's lazy ~____~
Are you calling me scum then? I see a ton of issues with sorting by activity.

-bearbearbear

[Mystic Bears]

Yes I think I might be right this time

Who else is scum?

- House

People that aren't posting

That's not an answer.

You're going to be my first priority to sort.

- House

I like house I'm feeling the mind meld from last game. I'm feeling it. I repeat I'm feeling it! I think House is town.

-nornornornrornornsoulmason!

[Mystic Bears]

It's d1 but he seems to have the confidence of having an ELO-1 read.

- House

Eh I don't LIKE the push but i don't think its like definitely scummy. Like yeah the push is big meh but like confidence is often is exaggerated? Or at least lately I've been realizing i have been exaggerating my own confidence levels in mafia games. No idea why.

-norbearbear

[Mystic Bears]

Ok actually House, I disagree with your main point in your push on Dwlee. He might be scum but not for that. Straight up logical flaws are not scummy. I think logical flaws are like just a natural part of human beings and scum don't have any cuz it looks scummy but its not.

Like I find Dwlee scummy but I always find Dwlee scummy. I haven't seen anything different this game.

-norbearnor

[Mandelbrot]

It's d1 but he seems to have the confidence of having an ELO-1 read.

- House

Eh I don't LIKE the push but i don't think its like definitely scummy. Like yeah the push is big meh but like confidence is often is exaggerated? Or at least lately I've been realizing i have been exaggerating my own confidence levels in mafia games. No idea why.

-norbearbear

Strange that you're dinging me for that instead of pointing out where they stated they're not that confident in their read.

I can certainly understand voting a read I'm not confident in, but actively calling for blood on someone they not only are not confident about, but have a known history of pushing mislims on that they themselves introduce to the game?

C'mon...

- House