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[ssbm_Kyouko]

First?!
Sup nerds and dwlee and dkkoba

VOTE: Hakai

Pedit: of course I wont get first if I read the rules

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What is "aye I haven't seen not disproven"?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just checking because double negative, but that's what I figured. Koba and Dwlee are just not nerds tho

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Uhh if it stayed pixelated after I saved it and I can just do the colors and paint dump, yeah. I've seen paint make it not pixelated anymore after you save and blend the colors though, in which case this took like an hour to make and idk if I feel like doing that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Damn it I missed a spot at the bottom

[ssbm_Kyouko]

fixed

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Damn it I missed a spot at the bottom

damn, where is my pink one

It's a few pixels away on desktop, didnt have time to finish it earlier

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh my god Andres is scum.
VOTE: Andresvmb

I'd tell you why but it'll upset dwlee

Spoiler: bad meta zone, no dwlees allowed

Andre's normally starts games by saying he is town and this time he didn't

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andre's normally starts games by saying he is town and this time he didn't

I'm not sure if I remember that.

I’ve done it a few times. It’s not all I do of course. And I have played 18 games on this forum including this one - my entrances are definitely more varied than what’s being implied here. Seems like a cheap way of concluding I’m Scum. But whatever.

I'm just memeing on dwlee, but it's the only entrance I remember in games we were in together. Not necessarily always in the very first post, but usually in the first few posts from your first visit to the thread, it's there, ime.

I don't think it's reason to SR you though

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andres, how much experience with Mafia do you have? Both IRL and Forum/other Mafia.

I’ve only played Forum Mafia. Outside of playing only Town here, I played a bunch of games on a different forum. In total, I’ve played… north of 100 games. My Town W/L record is like ~62% outside of here. I do think the Scum Win Rate around here is much higher than I’m used to. But I used to play with what I think are really strong Town players and often, so there’s that.

Alright.

Here's what I'm thinking about you.

You seem to be mixing between playing seriously and playing frivolously. You've made serious posts, but then after unvoted me for bad reasons. Not sure how to read your slot currently, but I'll try and keep tabs on you.

Why are you expecting a good reason to unvote an RVS vote?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Just checking because double negative, but that's what I figured. Koba and Dwlee are just not nerds tho

I ain't seeing no double negative nowhere!

Are you scum my guy?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LickeyQ, I think the reason why Dweelee the Intimidator is complaining at you is because you made a readlist with too many N/A spots.

I know. That's exactly what I've been saying.

Dwlee's read on me boils down to exactly that. I had too many nulls in my RL. IDK what Dwlee is expecting there. Are they thinking I shouldn't be making a RL at that point in the game? That's NOT what is being expressed. I could see if that was the reason why Dwlee was SRing me. I did that RL for a reason which I will not give at this point, but I did it for a reason. I think Dwlee has somehow latched onto the fact I made a strategic post and is SRing me for it. But I did it because I'm Town and am not going to talk about my reason for it more at this time.

Why are you describing that readslist as strategic?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont think dwlee has this fire as scum. End of p10 rn. Hasn't looked like this since I was pushing them in that mini with mathblade we ended up winning

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why are you expecting a good reason to unvote an RVS vote?

Why should I expect them to Unvote at all?

Because it was an RVS vote. They don't usually stick around very long.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Koba I think your POE is ass and you could be Scum. Fight me?

this rebuttal is about as potent as a wet badger

minus your own name, explain why it sucks.

Why is Ranny Town? Or Titus? And how is A50’s content conclusive either way? You TR Titus but think I need to be in the POE? How have you decided on Norwegian’s alignment?

Your POE is bad right now. At the very least it seems to have been set way too early.

This post isn't bad.

its not good at all because its trying to discredit townreads rather than try to find them as town.

Mmm I dont think this is the case. There's not really anything there

to

discredit, and you're also asking him to explain why it sucks so for you to say the response is bad feels like scum-motivated entrapment. You literally asked him to do it.

VOTE: Koba

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are you scum my guy?

How can you call me scum and your guy in the same sentence??

Also, what do you expect the answer to be? And what would you make out of it? (Because if I was scum I'd probably be telling you that I'm not, which is the same thing I'm telling you now as Town, so how can you tell the difference?)

Gotta rate your vibe because I haven't seen anything AI yet and my instinct is to SR that. Usually you'll sprinkle something useful or at least insightful in.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

in fairness, I think most players are negative utility

Is this a joke?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

LickeyQ, I think the reason why Dweelee the Intimidator is complaining at you is because you made a readlist with too many N/A spots.

I know. That's exactly what I've been saying.

Dwlee's read on me boils down to exactly that. I had too many nulls in my RL. IDK what Dwlee is expecting there. Are they thinking I shouldn't be making a RL at that point in the game? That's NOT what is being expressed. I could see if that was the reason why Dwlee was SRing me. I did that RL for a reason which I will not give at this point, but I did it for a reason. I think Dwlee has somehow latched onto the fact I made a strategic post and is SRing me for it. But I did it because I'm Town and am not going to talk about my reason for it more at this time.

Why are you describing that readslist as strategic?

I'm not going to talk about this.

Eyes

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why are you expecting a good reason to unvote an RVS vote?

Why should I expect them to Unvote at all?

Because it was an RVS vote. They don't usually stick around very long.

Sure. But why unvote before voting someone else? Surely you can see my point here. People generally unvote when they stop SRing someone. That was not the case in this situation. In this situation, they didn't vote someone Scummier.

I see your point but I don't agree with it. It's not like he SRed you in the first place, I dont think you'd even posted when he voted you. Andres' unvote just didn't feel weird to me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Holy shit I snagged 420 again #blazeit

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Papa bless

[ssbm_Kyouko]

kyouko, do you scumread quick?

I did early in catchup, but now I'm not sure. "Strategic readslist" really pinged me, as does describing Dwlee's push as moving the goalposts, but I feel like he's made some good observations that outweigh that for me, like with that Nero/Ranny interaction.

Tentatively he is out of my D1 POE and I'm working on firming that up

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Koba I think your POE is ass and you could be Scum. Fight me?

this rebuttal is about as potent as a wet badger

minus your own name, explain why it sucks.

Why is Ranny Town? Or Titus? And how is A50’s content conclusive either way? You TR Titus but think I need to be in the POE? How have you decided on Norwegian’s alignment?

Your POE is bad right now. At the very least it seems to have been set way too early.

This post isn't bad.

its not good at all because its trying to discredit townreads rather than try to find them as town.

Mmm I dont think this is the case. There's not really anything there

to

discredit, and you're also asking him to explain why it sucks so for you to say the response is bad feels like scum-motivated entrapment. You literally asked him to do it.

VOTE: Koba

ah yes scum motivated entrapment where I later even don't push people to vote there.

very smart yes.

go sit in the corner with quick and dwlee

Mislims arent the only thing scum are looking for. Offering the advice on playing larges via finding a town poe, and stuffing the call-out on your own poe, reads to me like scum looking to establish themselves within a townblock.

The wording used in the pushback on Andres felt very specifically geared towards that agenda, so it feels too coincidental to be town.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

if you try to ever hyperfocus 1 thing i do and call me scum for it you are playing very poorly and i have the game experiences to prove that point is true btw

why do you think im scum outside of that?

I'm used to your reads making sense as well, here your poe seems exaggerated. It's hard to connect the dots.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Are you scum my guy?

How can you call me scum and your guy in the same sentence??

Also, what do you expect the answer to be? And what would you make out of it? (Because if I was scum I'd probably be telling you that I'm not, which is the same thing I'm telling you now as Town, so how can you tell the difference?)

Gotta rate your vibe because I haven't seen anything AI yet and my instinct is to SR that. Usually you'll sprinkle something useful or at least insightful in.

man your dishonesty about people is off the charts rn - you alright kyouko? (:

i think a50 has actually sprinkled in some useful stuff in which is precisely why i have marked him town here-> you're trying to cherrypick him now.

I don't think so but you're welcome to quote if you disagree. Haven't reread anything yet.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

hey kyouko i know you see the pedits, you're stalling interacting with me <3 dont be scared cmon

I like to finish my catchup.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

kyouko it isnt a good look when you accuse me, are posting in thread while i respond to you and then dip without responding back

just saying !~~

You (should) know I finish catching up, so hyper posting while I catch up is just a tactic here, or you dont know me as well as you think you do.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: kyouko

surprised_pikachu

[ssbm_Kyouko]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211 -found kyouko town

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87005 - found kyouko scum

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774 - replaced in , immediately spotted kyouko scum

i thought i had 1 more town game but oh well the point is there i have in recent times 100% read kyouko so if im voting her you should vote her too ~~ i would never burn this on d1 like this if im scum so people with bad takes about my alignment can go away

Probably it's important you live at least to N1 if you're willing to go this route of "I wouldn't do this as scum"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also kyouko as scum is like very notorious for like having really obvious fake pretend "uncertainty" on slots while town they just flow and have conviction in their takes


i know im letting kyouko break meta in the future because of revealing this but i just kinda wanna bury them cuz im annoyed lol

Who do you think I have fake uncertainty on, LQ? If not LQ, who? What seems fake about it?

This is pretty close to a good tell on me, but it's the opposite, so I'll help you keep that 100% read rate up.

Spoiler: Koba only

Sometimes I will fake certainty as town if I think it will get me TRed, which is why it looks like I have conviction.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Gotta rate your vibe because I haven't seen anything AI yet and my instinct is to SR that. Usually you'll sprinkle something useful or at least insightful in.

Seriously??

FoS Kyouko. You should know why already (and so should Nero, Wake, Titus & Andres)

What are you talking about (assuming it's completed)? Only game I can think of with those players is ongoing.

I didn't follow that game where Bambi Jay was scum that closely after I died N1. You were scum in Dead Silence but I think I actually learned nothing about your scumgame in that game (though it was a fun one to watch from the dead)

I expect you to shitpost. I also expect there to be content in some of your posts. I hadn't noticed any yet - maybe I missed it? Open invite to quote is out to Koba, you could quote as well if I've missed something notable.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Can I veto Kyo cause I like her?

Nope. Unless I get proper explanation for her FALSE statement about me I am going to deathtunnel her myself. I am just giving her this one chance to try and get out of the hole she dug herself into.

I can reread you in the morning but I've got other games too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: kyouko

surprised_pikachu

Bad post. I don't believe you are not caught up.

(I'm still not caught up)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87211 -found kyouko town

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87005 - found kyouko scum

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=86774 - replaced in , immediately spotted kyouko scum

i thought i had 1 more town game but oh well the point is there i have in recent times 100% read kyouko so if im voting her you should vote her too ~~ i would never burn this on d1 like this if im scum so people with bad takes about my alignment can go away

Probably it's important you live at least to N1 if you're willing to go this route of "I wouldn't do this as scum"

i have never been eliminated d1 in any game so theres no real argument of me being worried of living to d2 as scum from a push from you.

your reason to even vote me was just plain terrible in context of my actual meta.

you're not gonna frame me as scum here - but i'll keep rebutting your points so im hardspewed town from you.

It may be true that you've never been eliminated D1, but even if it's true, this is just grandstanding. There are pitfalls to being able to read me as well as you can - I had a feeling when I read 81 you'd rolled scum and were preparing for when you would inevitably have to fake a scumread on me despite your 100% read rate.

I figured it would be best to resolve this asap if you seemed even slightly off, and when I saw your POE it didnt sit right with me, so I decided to push on it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As for your actual meta, normally your reads mostly* make sense. Maybe my sense of this game is far off at this point but I doubt that.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: kyouko

surprised_pikachu

Bad post. I don't believe you are not caught up.

i mean theres also the fact that the preview will literally show it and like if *I* saw a vote for me and a case started to be made from a person who actually has successfully read me in the past - I would be very very interested in figuring out and would stop doing a "catchup".

not something thats definitive in trying to catch scumwise but like - it definitely doesnt contribute to kyouko looking good here



tbh i think it is a little fun to flip the switch on kyouko here bc i lowkey already scumread them but i hate going balls to the wall when i have a lockscum read but angry koba thinks differently

when I am in catchup mode I intentionally unfocus my eyes and scroll down to avoid the pedit posts, and repeatedly submit my post until the previews are gone, then I click the post I most recently quoted to resume my catchup.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kyouko

Her making 408 and then ignoring my response is like her making an uncalculated move, then realizing her mistake but not being able to backtrack it properly

I haven't ignored any response you gave to 408.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh, which one is this for?

GrandpaMo asked for it yesterday but I didnt finish before getting off desktop for the day

[ssbm_Kyouko]

@mod: I'll be V/LA through Monday. Sorry for the late notice, this game started after I'd made my announcements and I forgot

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I don’t know what to do about your argument with Kyouko. Kyouko has basically SR me every time they’re Town, and either ignored or defended me as Scum. So I’m always wary when I start seeing Kyouko make assumptions about my alignment when attacking other players. But this does feel a bit different - so it’s possible they’ve just read me right.

I feel like maybe this impression of my play is biased because of what stands out to you. You're recalling the one scumgame I had with you and the one towngame I faked a guilty in. These make sense as standouts but I feel like we've had other completed games together where I was town to consider

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I like Andres for town

VOTE: Margot

I like the read and vote so +town here

What is your read on SSB Andres. Do you scumread them?

Here’s my take - the reason I haven’t defended Kyouko aggressively despite seriously questioning Koba is because if I’m wrong about Koba (and I can be - Koba is notoriously hard to read) is because Kyouko admitted that Koba has their number, and yet they’re not screaming

hard

to get Koba executed. There’s not a whole lot of outrage in 461 or 480 for example. Just some surprise, a rather meek admission that Koba does have Kyouko’s number,

and some strategic discussion about how Koba might go about using their 100% read rate to their advantage as Scum.

I am comfortable applying the burden of proficiency standard to a select

few

players. The number is small, and since I haven’t played here enough most of those players are in the old forum I used to play in. Koba is in that list. I have a feeling Kyouko agrees that the standard should apply to Koba too. If that’s indeed the case, then why aren’t they more outraged that Koba is reading them wrong and hard dunking on them? And why are they letting me take all the heat here? I’ve been in games with players I know can easily tell when I’m Town. I know how that feels like. And when they’re hedging on my slot (and I’m acting like my usual Town self), or even worse, calling me Scum, I obviously get suspicious. I’m always skeptical even if you have me right, but with some players it becomes more obvious when they should be reading you correctly but aren’t.

At the same time, I have seen Koba get some things wrong (of course, none of us are perfect). But after screaming this loud for an execution? I think that’s maybe a bit rare. If we flip Kyouko, and they flip Scum, Koba is going to get NK’ed and well, that’ll be that. But if they’re wrong? Then what? That’s going to be hard. What I’ve done in the past in situations like this is advocated for the “1v1” to get sorted, and go from there. I don’t know that I’m the one who should be making this argument. But I think it should be considered.

Regarding the bold, I dont think this is accurate. Does it really come off this way? I'd intended to let him know he is wrong this time around, and gave him a tip he can use next time around if he rolls town, because I see no harm in helping him read me better in the future.

I'm not screaming about it because I don't think that's going to be a productive way to eliminate him, and if we're both wrong, it's not going to help town if the thread gets swallowed up by a loud TvT. I'm trying to be better about not doing that because it makes things difficult later if I'm in ELO. I usually get pushed for it.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Will continue my catchup this evening in bed and tomorrow before/during work

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Koba is either Town or bussing. Just thought I would get that off my chest.

ok on reread this fucking post is hilarious because its like "koba is town or scum" when you boil it down like all you are saying is that .. kyouko is scum here.

I think the idea is if you are scum then I am scum. The conviction in your posts is telling LQ you either know I am scum (bussing) or are very convinced I am scum (town).

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Koba is either Town or bussing. Just thought I would get that off my chest.

ok on reread this fucking post is hilarious because its like "koba is town or scum" when you boil it down like all you are saying is that .. kyouko is scum here.

No, it means you are right about Koy.

Or my last post is wrong I guess? What do you mean by "no" if you seem to agree I am scum?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

in fairness, I think most players are negative utility

Is this a joke?

yes and no.

yes, it's general trash talk

no, I don't everyone in the game has a neg utility role

What kind of question is this?

meta good because people are not all the same and there are different tells for everyone

meta is ok. Its a decent tool but it shouldn't be used as a bible b/c scum abuse it and dumb town misuse it.

there's content in andres' posts though that *is* pretty off for andres' town meta - which is where I'm seeing like concern in his slot.

like what?

Checking what you meant by it because it didn't really make sense to me, but also didn't read like a joke. I could see it being a joke on rereading but I wanted to make sure, because otherwise it seems weird

Do you think Koba is scum abusing meta?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

look at my bad take on my pfp :')

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Consider my vote on Kyouko for now. I want to give the non-posters time to catch up [Kop, MargotRosa].

reminder to check the timeline

[ssbm_Kyouko]

SSB why you just gone?

I had family in town from last Tuesday through Saturday. Normally I play in the morning before work and during work because I work from home. I took PTO Th/Fri, so I was still active (more like limited access) while they were here on Tuesday/Wednesday before PTO. Once PTO started I was doing stuff with family for 4 days. Eased back in a bit yesterday, still catching up in my games.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Elitell bad here probably

I'm pretty sure they've read these last pages. Yet chose to not make any posts or comment.

What do you think that tells us?

What makes you think that? I haven't read them. Why are you voting me? I was chocking it up to sheeping Koba but this is looking really bad faith now - again, a reminder to check the timeline for me here because I'm not sure when I posted my V/LA in this game, because it started after I crossposted my V/LA some time the week before my V/LA started.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This was how kyouko acted when i was confident on her being scum in our first game together (mini normal FIA) I can link later

I started a V/LA that I had announced before FIA WRC started when you started scumreading me in that game?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

dwlee wagon might be currently pure too, loftwing i can see scum - scum just trying to scramble for options that wont get shut down easily.

Do you think the wagons are SvS or something? That's all I can think otherwise it makes no sense to think dwlee wagon is pure if you think it is a counterwagon to me.

If you do think we're SvS that's some very shallow thinking from you - not characteristic of your towngame.

Actually I remember now, you've been saying Dwlee is town for ~convoluted reasons~, so this makes no sense.

Saying I am scum and Dwlee is town and that both of our wagons are pure does not align.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nero's question was answered

And pressure on a slot I think could be scum is just objectively a good thing. If they're town they can probably town up. If they're scum they probably can't.

Your thought process there is just not how I think about playing this game at all

Where was Nero's Question Answered? Koba just straight up deflected instead of answering.

Yeah, but you didn't say that you thought they were scum, hell, you couldn't have thought they were scum, because they were a noposter. You would've been just as justified in thinking that they left the game and were going to get replaced. You had 0 reason to think that they were scum, but you voted them anyway.

That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular, regardless of what they are.

And yet you're voting me

Spoiler: No need to needlessly increase the length of my posts

VOTE COUNT 1.4

With 16 players alive it takes 9 to eliminate

ssbm_Kyouko (4): Almost50, NorwegianBoyEE, Dwlee99, DkKoba,

Dwlee99 (4): Rannygazoo, Wake88, LicketyQuickety, Loftwing,

Nero Cain (1): Hakai,
Almost50 (1): GrandpaMo,
LicketyQuickety (1): Nero Cain,

DkKoba (1): ssbm_Kyouko,

NorwegianBoyEE (1): Andresvmb,

Loftwing (1): Titus,
Hakai (0):
Wake88 (0):
Titus (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Andresvmb (0):
MargotRosa (0):
Kop (0):
Rannygazoo (0):

Not voting (2): MargotRosa, Kop,

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-02 17:00:00)

V/LA: ssbm_Kyouko & GrandpaMo & Rannygazoo party till Monday

Bolded are the most viable wagons, and underlined are who I would want to axe. I hope you can see how you are the most viable option.

Answered before it was asked *technically*, but it was the kind of answer that reads like a non-answer. Koba said recently before that I'm ignoring pressure like I did in that mini I was scum in, but Koba hasn't played with town!me under wagon pressure before. See D1 of Chrono Trigger Chronicles to see me ignoring the mounting pressure on myself while continuing to push my SR, to the point that scum actually just lolhammered me "accidentally" while I was still catching up.

The things Koba is pushing me on are NAI, but he thinks he can abuse his previous streak on me for a mislim and get away with it on towncred.

When I say reads like a non-answer, I mean like, it reads tonally like the following: "I already explained why I'm voting, read my ISO".

[ssbm_Kyouko]

As for posting in other games, if anyone actually wants to do homework they'll see the content of what I posted. This is a bit close to discussing ongoing games though and am not going to discuss that further. The only reason I'm bringing it up is because it's being used as a scummy reason to SR me because I can't deconstruct it without breaking site rules.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hey why are you deflecting giving a reads list Loftwing isn't deflection scummy?

The ol' "gotcha"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Loftwing, how am I being white knighted if I'm not town? That's my point that you're voting me

I think the point is

if

you're town, considering the bolded in the below quote. But I think Loftwing uses WKing poorly here. It seems clear from context ("WKing Dwlee

against me

") that what Loft means is Koba turning you against himself (Loft).

Loftwing, why is the wagon bad?
What are the scummy things I'm doing that imply I have a scummy thought process?

I.e. I dont give a shit what actions you think are scummy because thats level 1 reading - Why are the actions linked to a scum agenda and improbable to be towny?

Snipped

Basically, I would expect Margot to act poorly and get axed, regardless of their alignment, and maybe even regardless of their role. If Margot was a power role, we might have accidentally axed a PR Day 1, because they looked scummy when put under immense pressure.
And what do you do? You defend Dwlee's actions. You say that this was actually a pro-town thing to do. That this was actually something you would expect town, not scum, to do. I'm not buying it. That is bullshit. That is indicative of you WKing Dwlee against me, which is something a scum player would do to gain followers, which again, makes your actions more popular,

regardless of what they are

.

Dwlee, what do you mean by "That's my point that you're voting me"? You think Loft is perspective slipping or something?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Because it doesn't make sense to say that they're white knighting me from their perspective because from their perspective they're not scum

lvl 0 read.

Also missing that DKs actions are only implied to be WKing of Dwlee is town, and in the same post Loft qualifies that Dwlee.could be either alignment

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Roden is not in this game

I thought this was the case as I was reading the previous post but I was still convinced I'd somehow forgotten

[ssbm_Kyouko]

kyouko are you referring to me beacuse my pronouns aren't he/him

Yes, sorry
Sorry to dwlee too if I've done this to you this game, I'm working on it with both of you

[ssbm_Kyouko]

State your full read on dwlee and loftwing. No null reads - there's enough content from both where you can make a good effort and form a full read.

Dwlee is a TR. I think I played with scum!Dwlee once but was NKed N1. I didnt stay caught up in that game, but later in a game we were both town in, was in ELO with him and metad him, incorrectly reading him as scum. I flipped later and since then feel like I have a good feel for their towngame, and I think this is it. They feel similar as town and scum, but I think there are things they'll do as scum that they will not as town, and I haven't seen those things yet. I also expect some of the things they've said to be said when they are town, and those things are a bit contrary to what I expect them to say as scum, so I those things are safe to TR them from.

Loftwing only makes sense as town here, because you're scum and your interactions are not scum theatre. I'm still looking to question him though because if he also sorts as scum there is potential I am wrong elsewhere. For me he is townlean, and off the table at least for D1.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Andres, I’ve read through and seen you complain about weak votes from Norwee and Titus, and people reading your meta wrong.

Would it be fair to say you’ve been caught for the wrong reasons?

This looks weird to me, anyon eplayed with Ranny before? It feels like the classic "fairish" scumtell, also the words dont seem to match the intent.

Like what is expected here Ranny? What do you expect Andre's to say and what do you get from that? This feels snipish.

We have pages of discussion about you and

this is one of the few things you want to focus on?

I’ve been trying to stay prudent and keep the game level-headed and this makes me feel like I was wrong to do so. Smdh my head.

VOTE: SSB

To answer the question, I don’t know what “fairish” means but it was a cheap shot at Andres to provoke a reaction. All it got in response was sarcasm so I don’t know what to make of that. Could be scum hiding behind irony.

It means scum are more aware of being "fair" in their play. I didnt pick up the tone was intended to provoke him, but I can buy that.

No, I think I get what you’re saying. She’s cherry-picking and not addressing what town needs to address.

What do you think need to address? I'm never going to catch up posting my thoughts on every single post.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

This was how kyouko acted when i was confident on her being scum in our first game together (mini normal FIA) I can link later

I started a V/LA that I had announced before FIA WRC started when you started scumreading me in that game?

Hold up, you’re using the V/LA as an excuse? You were posting exactly when and during Kobas FOS on you. Why should your announcing of an V/LA matter at all there?

Factually, my parents who I have not seen in about a year were in town from out of state staying with me and my family from Tuesday through Saturday. I work from home and I play at work, and I didnt start PTO until Thursday. I played until I started PTO and then mostly stopped to spend time with my family. On Sunday I was catching up on Destiny 2 weekly stuff with my wife. We play every night but didnt play while my family was here. I popped into my games on Sunday to check deadlines and ease back in a bit, then started up again today.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The things Koba is pushing me on are NAI, but he thinks he can abuse his previous streak on me for a mislim and get away with it on towncred.

You actually claim Dkkoba is scum here?

Yes, that's been my read and I haven't been convinced otherwise. It's strengthened a bit today during catchup as well.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

What's weird is it feels like there are like 10 players in the game at most. Just seeing Titus post reminded me this is a large.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

Your immediate OMGUS on Koba when they called you out was really scummy

, and i don't think you genuinely believe your own arguments about why Koba is mafia.

hypothetical:

You're town and in our last 4-5 games together, which all happened in the past few months (so recently), I have been town and read you correctly every time. I start scumreading you in this game, citing incorrect meta and my previous track record. What do you think my alignment is in this hypothetical?

It's clear that you don't believe my arguments. What makes you think I don't?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I’ve already said that i’m voting Kyouko until they post.
I think their shitty reaction to pressure from Koba and subsequent flaking from the game was extremely scum indicative. If they return and make town posts i’ll change my mind, but if nothing has happened to change my scumread of the slot i don’t see why it should.

What about my reaction to pressure is shitty?

Your immediate OMGUS on Koba when they called you out was really scummy, and i don't think you genuinely believe your own arguments about why Koba is mafia.

Correction : i was only publicly scumreading kyouko once she went into discred mode against me.
I was holing the read bc she knows shes done for due to my ability against her meta.
She's continued to post in a way that is her scum meta. Its all shallow nonsense disguised by clever wording.

Saying you were holing the read is disingenuous when 81 makes it obvious you were scumreading me out of RVS

dwlee can be town.. tentatively.

kyouko is locktown until i decide eod what my real read is so if shes scum she will spew :3

If you were really holing a read you wouldn't have said anything in the first place, which is what pinged me in to begin with, because I know town!you isn't likely to misread me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

cool cookie - loftwing - andres- kyouko

is a solve i dont hate atp

these are the only 4 names that are not hitting the bar of townienes I have currently set.

So your bar is "doesnt disagree with my Kyouko read"? Feels like you went all in on that looking to power wolf and are running low on options that fit your agenda. I was already leaning town on Andres and Loftwing but this

probably

spews them all.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Nvm on cool cookie, that's kop slot

Didnt kop have 1 post? How does Kop factor into your read on cool cookie?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

We could always eliminate me.

What's weird is it feels like there are like 10 players in the game at most. Just seeing Titus post reminded me this is a large.

I'm sure this is a normal reaction to a troll blatantly not reading most of the game.

VOTE: SSBM

It didn't seem like you were not reading to me. Seeing your post just reminded me the game is getting drowned out and there are more players in the game than are actually posting.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Not sure how this falls into fairish terrritory unless we have different definitions

[ssbm_Kyouko]

holy shit youre trying to claim bc norwee misattributed my intentions that makes us wrong/scum

if anything it proves we are unaligned

and at least 1 of us is town so get fucked with that

Not unvoting this obvious gambit

@Norwee why are you going along with this? If this really happened you can paraphrase it:

Koba has detailed to the letter in our thread why SSB is 100% just scum here and we need to kill them.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Unaligned is not something you say about a mason buddy

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didnt have to search for it btw, I remembered you saying it because I'm paying attention. I just had to find the quote.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont buy that Koba says that about a Mason buddy especially if they expect to die N1. That's setting you up to be CCed in ELO if true.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It literally doesn't matter if anyone "doesn't believe it", as ridiculous as that even sounds to me.
Because it'd be confirmed immediately when one of us dies tonight.

My point is you two are obviously not masons from the way Koba has posted about you prior to the claim and the way you are now ignoring my request for a paraphrase of Koba's case. You're both just trying to strongarm this without presenting evidence and now that I'm actually here to play it's falling apart and desperation is sinking in.

What I'm trying to figure out is why you're going along with it - is your read misplaced or are you scum with Koba... Why do you TR them?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

VOTE: Kyouko

Honestly, there's nothing that could stop this wagon nay Kyouko revealing to be a Innocent Child (at which point, we would all proceed to laugh as we pushed Koba off the nearest cliff)

Sus

I'm a 1-shot Friendly Neighbor. I don't think Masons are likely to exist here as that could potentially lead to a masonry of 3 which feels a bit strong. Not sure if that's imbalanced for larges though as I typically play minis.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Well it's proveable and I'm willing to be leashed at this point :/

[ssbm_Kyouko]

If you had to pick one player to sheep the whole game, who would you pick?

I don't do that. I could sheep someone for today, but I would always reevaluate and try to get my reads updated upon a flip.

Also, I think we still lim Kyo. If Town; her target (if leashed) would be shot, or she would be RB'd. She will still be a problem tomorrow. If Scum, she either gets a p to false clear her (risky) or she claims one of the above (i.e. "I targeted the NK or I targeted X.. X doesn't confirm.. Kyo argues having been RB'd)

Scum do have a reason to ask for an additional night. 1-shot "something or another" would be the most likely reason. However, as explained earlier.. even if Town her claim cannot be confirmed. (Even if she was to target one of the town core, that's still going to be unconfirmable).

Of course, there is a way around it, but it requires we out many PRs, and then it still may not be possible. Like, we need a Watcher to be on Kyo to verify she wasn't blocked. We need a Doctor on her target to guarantee they won't die. And then we need a Cop to verify the target is Town. This results in confirming both the target (via Cop result) and Kyo (via target receiving the note), but who's to protect said Cop if existent? (I am trying to think of a way to argue for her sake, but I really can't see past her elimination being the correct move)

I can target someone that town is okay with being NKed, so in a sense leashing me makes scum have to kill whoever we agree I should target, or they have to block me. If they die or I'm blocked I can be limmed tomorrow. I have use this way.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

the fact our claim is being put under scrutiny like this is not helping a potential 3rd mason partner hide and yall are making it much harder when its fucking blatant that norwee/i played in such a blatant manner with townreading eachother with ease that yknow! we're towny as fuck.

There is no way you are a mason.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

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R u ok