Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Mystic Bears]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

This can just die today.

- House

This is such a disgusting vote
VOTE: Mandelbrot

[Mystic Bears]

Like I've basically already claimed and you really think it's ok to vote me. Thats so fucking scummy.

[Mystic Bears]

Also toogeloo dont guess at my role in the thread. Dont do it.
I know I already said too much but dont do it.

If you say anything about it, I take it as a scum claim. Straight up.

Oh noez, scum is threatening Toog with a scumread.

Oh noez!

- House

Gross. You're saying this while saying survivor is bad for town. Who's the scum here.

[Mystic Bears]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

This can just die today.

- House

This is such a disgusting vote
VOTE: Mandelbrot

You're not wanted on the raid.

You refuse to cooperate with town.

You clearly have an agenda.

Leave the fucking raid or die. I don't care which.

- House

I dont care what the fuck you say. If the raid is happening, I'm going to try to be on it. If I can't make it onto the raid, so be it. But I think its absolutely pro town for me to be on the raid.

[Mystic Bears]

I agree so heavily with Nancys opinion survivor is so fucking pro town. I dont even get how anyone can townread House here.
And Sakura your scum read on me makes zero fucking sense. I was the one who proposed to not do the raid because of the possibility of getting fucked over by scum extra shots yet im still scum. I'm literally the stupidest scum in the world. Hard defending my buddy who was beyond saving since the beginning of the day and suggesting that we dont give my team any extra shots. How bad do you think my scum game is wtf

[Mystic Bears]

Also toogeloo dont guess at my role in the thread. Dont do it.
I know I already said too much but dont do it.

If you say anything about it, I take it as a scum claim. Straight up.

Oh noez, scum is threatening Toog with a scumread.

Oh noez!

- House

Gross. You're saying this while saying survivor is bad for town. Who's the scum here.

The player that refuses to cooperate with town because it works against their super-sekrit agenda, of course.

- House

Bullshit. You think scum me would be this fucking obvious about my "agenda"
You have no idea how damn good my scum game is. If I were scum you wouldn't know shit about my agenda. You'd be throwing town reads at my feet.

[Mystic Bears]

Get off the raid.

- House

No.

[Mystic Bears]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

[Mystic Bears]

Get off the raid.

- House

No.

*shrug*

Then you can die.

- House

I will not die today. I'm not even going to claim today. You have no power.

[Mystic Bears]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

Obviously not.

Flail moar.

- House

Is the only adjective you know how to use to push town mislims flail lol.

[Mystic Bears]

mb is probably town here

Why do you even think that. I feel scummy as fuck and I hate how I feel that way. But whatever I dont care at this point.

I think I've claimed enough and I've tried hard to express my thoughts on the game so if I really get voted out, it's not my fault.

[Mystic Bears]

Anyway
VOTE: Join Raid
If we eliminate Bears then it doesnt matter if they are in the raid or not.

Ok you're just bad town then.

[Mystic Bears]

If it isnt obvious if you're town i dont care how OP your ability is, not worth the risk for someone that has a high chance of being the scum strongman.

The fuck?! So me, scum strongman fucking needs shots and suggests to fucking fail the raid. What the fuck is wrong with me and why the fuck would I do that?
If I get my extra fucking strongman shot, suspicion is heavy as fuck on me the next day for having two thoughts that clash
And if I dont, what benefit does that bring me? My damn strongman shot kills Romance tonight if I get it. Literally what is going through your mind

WTF

[Mystic Bears]

Why'd you go silent huh? Did you get worried about looking scummy as fuck by pushing me despite my literal obvious as fuck softs?

Obviously not.

Flail moar.

- House

Is the only adjective you know how to use to push town mislims flail lol.

ISO me
Ctrl-F "flail"

Congratulations, your obvious lie is outed.

- House

Oh sorry I meant Is the only adjective you know how to use to push people flail?

[Mystic Bears]

I will only not lim you if you're off the raid because then i should just find the roleblocker instead.

Why would we make the raid go through if the town prs that fucking need the shot aren't on it. Thats stupid as hell.
AS I said we either make the most of the raid or dont do it. Why shouldn't I be on the raid?
I dont care that i'm scum read. I have basically claimed my damn role at this point and it's beneficial to town for me to be on the raid so I should be on it

[Mystic Bears]

Noraa, I think you're town. However, you have also defended the past two eliminations, so I do believe people (especially without experience with you) have the right to scumread you. Even if it doesn't make sense to you, or you think it's 'bad'. Fighting everyone is only going to fracture things more, so please just stop for a bit.

UGH
UNVOTE: Leave raid
whatever I hope you all cry after strongman literally turns out to be house.

[Mystic Bears]

Wait hold up. If I'm not on the raid, House is not allowed on it. I dont see any reason he deserves to be on it if even im not.

This is fixed now. Who can count? Not me

[Mystic Bears]

Wait hold up. If I'm not on the raid, House is not allowed on it. I dont see any reason he deserves to be on it if even im not.

No, he's on it.

WHY?!

[Mystic Bears]

I dont think he deserves that spot more than me especially since I've EXPLICITLY CLAIMED that i need the shot.

[Mystic Bears]

Could replace mandel with tictac if it makes everyone happy, i guess.

I dont like tictac either though but better than House still.

[Mystic Bears]

No, I want Mandel on the raid.

Mandel raid good.

wHy

[Mystic Bears]

Whatever I'll trust you this once.

[Mystic Bears]

As you all wish. I shall be the commander of the raid and will claim 90% of the loot. Your wages will be fair though and I also offer overtime pay at only slightly reduced rates.

AHA I caught you. Am I town, tomorrow corporation >:3

[Mystic Bears]

I'm 99% sure I'm right. Tomorrow come back!

[Mystic Bears]

As you all wish. I shall be the commander of the raid and will claim 90% of the loot. Your wages will be fair though and I also offer overtime pay at only slightly reduced rates.

AHA I caught you. Am I town, tomorrow corporation >:3

I can't just give out reads for free, otherwise this game would be over too quickly.

In this case I will accept your payment. You are decent chances town, now please transfer me ¥210,000 to the allocated account:

Tomorrow Corporation Incorporated Limited
14-19-61
81631983

Wait wait wait what. I know I have to divide by 6 to become dollars but thats still very pricey ...
Plus I caught you so I should get it free! :333

Signed,
Yours dearly,
Noraabear

[Mystic Bears]

Also how is no one seeing that House is trying his ass off pocketing people?
If only I were a vig ...... :>

[Mystic Bears]

Question Noraa bear,
have you accepted the end

That I'll get flashwagoned the moment Romance dies? Yeah I've accepted that. I'll full claim then and maybe it'll save me but we'll have to see I guess.

[Mystic Bears]

Also how is no one seeing that House is trying his ass off pocketing people?
If only I were a vig ...... :>

It's a possibility

Yeah I totally believe you think that. Uh huh.

[Mystic Bears]

There are no vigs it seems.

But what if im a day 10 vig or something. You never know.

[Mystic Bears]

Hold up I have an issue.
VOTE: Raid

I'll explain in a second after I think a bit. For now, just wait. I have an issue with something.

[Mystic Bears]

Everyone stop voting. No more votes for a hot sec. I have an issue that might be really big.

[Mystic Bears]

Yeah ok the more I think about it, the more I have issues with it

Question Noraa bear,
have you accepted the end

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

This is I. Bell.
Woof, bawk.

Bell explain these posts right now. Asap. I need an explanation right now and I'm not accepting that you were joking. Bell, explain.

[Mystic Bears]

For the record, I have no clue where Mystic is going with the Bell thing, but Mirio kill points to Bell!scum.

No theres a very different issue here. A very big fucking issue. Bell can only be two very specific roles if my guess is correct.

[Mystic Bears]

MB how long are we supposed to wait?
~C

Until Bell replies or I am on the raid. The silence confirms my suspicions that Bell is one of two roles and there is a huge issue with one of the roles.

[Mystic Bears]

Yeah ok the more I think about it, the more I have issues with it

Question Noraa bear,
have you accepted the end

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

This is I. Bell.
Woof, bawk.

Bell explain these posts right now. Asap. I need an explanation right now and I'm not accepting that you were joking. Bell, explain.

[Mystic Bears]

Explain.

[Mystic Bears]

Yo, I don't crumb. I've said this in every game I've played and I continue to mean this (except for that one time where I kinda sorta crumbed.

1. I asked if you accepted the end because I thought your position was fairly poor and that after AA9 died, you'd like be next and also, I was hoping to poke you and see how you'd react because I am a stirrer at heart.
2. 4813 was just expressing my puzzlement that no vig shots have happened even though there's a mass bullet proof mechanic.
3. I had a snoopy avatar and I love dogs, so I say woof sometimes. You know this because you complained when I changed it. I think you both did. The bawk was because the avatar is a chicken/bird. I misposted from Milobird. So when you do that from the wrong account you're supposed to quote that post and identify who posted it.

I'm having one hell of a time trying to believe this right now.
I request that no one hammers for the next day at the very very LEAST. I need to think about this.

[Mystic Bears]

Other than that, everyone else continue. I have much to think about though. I'll think about it over PSAT prep bye.

[Mystic Bears]

My current thoughts by the way: I do think Bell's post regarding my accusation sounds genuine. However, I need to think about it still so dont end the day before I come to a conclusion. Ftr idc who dies today (except it can't be me) and my reads have been shit so i dont think anyone needs my input anyways. Ok I'm off now.

[Mystic Bears]

dont end the day before I come to a conclusion

This is probably why the thread is now making animal sounds, talking about irrelevant roles and survivor.
~C

I didn't tell people to do that and theres lots to talk about thats nots animal sounds so thats not on me.

dont end the day before I come to a conclusion

This doesn't feel like a legitimate thought.

We've flipped 2 scum. It's not like we are on the verge of Elo, here.

I don't see any reason to be so antsy.

- House

None of your thoughts feel like legitimate thoughts to me either so I don't care what you think about that post.

[Mystic Bears]

I try to engage RC in good faith, considering the possibility that they might be town, and this is how they act?

Lol.

- House

You haven't engaged anyone in good faith here. All you've done is poked around (by provoking different people) and tried to figure out where the soft town spot was so you could wagon it.

[Mystic Bears]

Sakura's reads are delusional. I dont think anyone wants that post. I'll sleep on it.

[Mystic Bears]

I am not reading 20 freaking pages that appear overnight.

Mastina 3P tinfoil, that's about as far as I can get. Honestly I'm happy leaving it as a possible tinfoil.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Can y'all stop spamming the thread and just focus on one thing for a day? Aa9 is here and apparently refuses to claim or is VT. Just kill her

This works for me, honestly. I remember liking Dwlee, Nora hasn't told me otherwise.

Going to go see if they ever responded to me, then working from there.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

They being ArcAngel

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Well that was fast, we're town to scum in a blink and nothing ever offered as to why and I got ignored apparently.

VOTE: ArcAngel9

[Mystic Bears]

Honestly at this point, I fucking hope Realcheeky isn't scum. Because I think the pushes on them are ridiculous. I find their flip floppiness towny and I like their frustration with House. I think they're town. Oh but the whatever AtE point on me is dumb. I have done close to ZERO AtE compared to my scum game. All of my meta supports this statement. See Flavorleaf vs pooky and Death curse for large game reference. This isn't my scum game.

Oh House is just scum. I'm not scared to 1v1. I just have no interest in getting provoked into a 1v1. Like House has just been disruptive noise since forever ago. Who does that even benefit? scum exactly. And yeah according to house, five people are scum but still vote arcangel because that persons getting heat.

And then I think that Arcangel's wagon is moving too fast with no resistance so town? Someone said that scum can't defend arcangel and like that point's just null because there's like more than one reason I can think of to use to defend arcangel here. Plus it's not exactly not towny to be town leaning someone who everyone is saying is scum and is omgusing their ass off. Pretty sure it was Sakura again. But like what is that logic

Toog, did my message come across? Yes or no will suffice.

[Mystic Bears]

Didnt you say the Elsa wagon moved too fast or something...

So? Just because it was wrong once doesn't mean it's always wrong. Like my reads aren't typically too bad so a couple wrong means the rest are more likely right?

Wagon resistance is completely NAI when we have a strong townblock and Aa9 is indefensible. Who voting her right now is scum? If you don't have a reasonable answer to that then I don't care about wagon resistance rn. And I will not accept Mandelbrot as an answer

Well I do think Mandelbrot is the scum on it. House has pushed all these people today and yet he isn't voting any of them but instead is basically naked voting Arcangel. And he's yelling at me for not voting him like what the fuck he isn't voting me either?

I like their frustration with House.

Because scum is immune to frustration, amirite?

What towny refuses to vote their scumread?

I'm their most outspoken scumread by far and if you two are right, the game benefits by silencing me. So what's with the steadfast refusal to stand by your read and support it with a vote?

It doesn't add up.

- House

Yeah because voting you when you've got half of town pocketed is going to do shit.

[Mystic Bears]

You should eliminate Dwlee, Mystic Bears, Tomorrow, Romance

Also I'm pretty sure that every name in here is town

Max 1 scum. I know for a fact that two of those names are town. I'm inclined to say Tomorrow is town because a certain person in this game has not expressed a scum read on them. I think if there's scum, it's you or we're all absolutely fucked because Tomorrow is scum.

[Mystic Bears]

Ok but I haven't explicitly said I townread arcangel. I'm just considering the possibility. Plus telling me I need to change my reads really doesn't make me want to do that?! I mean sure I'll reread some stuff but that's all I'm going to do.

[Mystic Bears]

okay so Aa9 wants to kill town and you're chill with that cause wagon speed?

I mean it's low-key suicide to just omgus everything so I dont see your point. Like I said in my last post, I'm not confident in this read but I just want to think about it okay?
Plus I haven't even removed Flea's vote there so I dont see what the big deal is.

[Mystic Bears]

skimmed today
bears v mandel maybe svs?
bears supes easily convinced on "mastina 3p" thing, did like the wheme read tho.

need to brain the mastina thing.
not gonna fight 4 AA (

intent to hammer that when it's e-1

), maybe will on wheme? dunno.

It's called using my brain. 1 kill per night either has a beastie scumteam or 3Ps.
You'll also note while I entertained the idea, I was wanting others input before I even spoke with Nora or acted on it.

Don't twist context, that annoys me so much.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

I mean it's low-key suicide to just omgus everything so I dont see your point.

Except that's AA9 meta.

Now meta matters. Sorry no I'm not taking any meta related arguments from you.

Toog, did my message come across? Yes or no will suffice.

I skimmed most of last night's posts due to how many pages we were getting. That said, I kind of wish people would stop trying to crumb the character name and expect me to clear them for it. Remember that I liked Momodi at first until they had claimed power and I had another thought that they probably weren't in the game.

On a reread of your iso from the past 24 hours, I think I found your crumb though, though you EBWOPed it next post, so maybe?

I told you yes or no will suffice >:C

skimmed today
bears v mandel maybe svs?
bears supes easily convinced on "mastina 3p" thing, did like the wheme read tho.

need to brain the mastina thing.
not gonna fight 4 AA (

intent to hammer that when it's e-1

), maybe will on wheme? dunno.

When was I convinced??

[Mystic Bears]

skipping everything that doesn't matter.

a Scion of the Seventh Dawn

Bruh what I am not masons with Arcangel. My role pm says nothing about being a scion, also.

[Mystic Bears]

At any rate, all of that is me saying Papalymo is an important character, not likely a VT, but out-guessing the mod beware.

If Bears is also scum and using a Yda safe claim, and Papalymo is a safe claim, the two names could have been listed purposely for Mason fake claims.

Alternatively, one of the names could be a fake claim for scum and the other in the game so to punish flavor solving.

I'm not a mason also that sounds like a really bad fake claim because thats a pretty damning one if it goes wrong.
I have explicitly claimed pr that is X shot. EXPLICTLY.
Also I neither confirm nor deny that I am Yda.

[Mystic Bears]

you're the only one scumreading him

True because I strongly believe in my opinion.

And i also know the fact that he isn't a leading wagon for the day which is why i am okay with RC or Tomorrow today. they are part of my other scum reads.

You've also said me and Nora are scummy fairly consisently except for 1 list on D1, and never offered anything why except null shoving.

Why?

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Using that logic Mastina has to be todays lim then.

this

That's Mystic head not Bear head.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Also just want to point out that in the RC, Mandelbrot, MB poe that MB is the only one soft claiming PR, Mandelbrot claimed PR and then rescinded and we claim nothing.
~C

I'm aware of that fact btw.
Also if AA9 flips red, this will be the 2nd scum they defend (dont remember if they defended cakez)

As I've said. I'm not defending Arc angel. I've already said that I wanted to consider the possibly and no shit its possible. Like I think it's totally possible Arc is town and you literally can't use it against me if Arc flips scum. Like I legitimately think it's possible but I'm not derailing or even unvoting because I'll get shit on tomorrow if it flips red. You have no right to shade me for this in the case that Arc seriously flips scum. And if Arc actually flips scum, you need to get your braincells in order and realize that scum me would rather sit the rest of this day out than be a part of this discussion. This discussion benefits me in no way. I defended Cakez a little and Elsa a lot. Scum me never ties another shit associative down no matter how small that is. Also this is the last Sakura post im replying to today.

[Mystic Bears]

Both hydra heads online? what is this madness o.o

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Since you have time available now, will you address my post?

Dont remember seeing a question but no i dont have time for another shitfest.

[Mystic Bears]

Well I do think Mandelbrot is the scum on it. House has pushed all these people today and yet he isn't voting any of them but instead is basically naked voting Arcangel. And he's yelling at me for not voting him like what the fuck he isn't voting me either?

Remind the class where my vote is.

(Hint: verify your assumption)

- House

Oh right i saw that. I dont get what you want me to say. Like you just want to be like haha no im not CURRENTLY voting arcangel. Ok cool good for you like what's your point

[Mystic Bears]

^

[Mystic Bears]

Its true, House is like Not_Mafia 2.0

-F

[Mystic Bears]

NM's reads are good despite the fact that he lurks most games. I actually have a lot of respect for his game.
Dont agree House is NM 2.0

[Mystic Bears]

VOTE: Raid
Not interested in full claiming today but am tempted to claim for certain reasons.

[Mystic Bears]

Not to be the guy that’s late to realcheeks but why him instead of wheme?

For one thing, Romance's Last Will in the hood.

- House

What was her last read on Tomorrow Corp

[Mystic Bears]

I would rather not claim my role. I can out my flavor and what my ability is called and paraphrase what my role pm says. PARAPHRASE like no copy pasting but i dont want to claim the role itself because as I said, it only comes into play pretty late in the game as a good card to have on the table.

[Mystic Bears]

I think Sakura is town but has weird reads. The thing about strongman being 1 shot and now her protecting elsewhere is all just strange. I dont think it's scum but I like heavily, with a burning passion, disagree with everything Sakura says.

[Mystic Bears]

I would rather not claim my role. I can out my flavor and what my ability is called and paraphrase what my role pm says. PARAPHRASE like no copy pasting but i dont want to claim the role itself because as I said, it only comes into play pretty late in the game as a good card to have on the table.

That's not for you to decide tho.

Well I'm telling you that outing my role is bad for town so I'm telling you to not do massclaim/do half massclaim. And pay attention to word choice. I said RATHER. Your response implies I said MUST but I didn't.

[Mystic Bears]

I don’t have much reason to trust the bears this game and yet.
I kinda want to anyway.

Then don't. I dont want to get shaded later because eVeRyOnE iS tOwNrEaDiNg nOrAa fOr nO rEaSoN.

[Mystic Bears]

Well I'm telling you that outing my role is bad for town so I'm telling you to not do massclaim/do half massclaim. And pay attention to word choice. I said RATHER. Your response implies I said MUST but I didn't.

What I mean is if majority is in favor of mass claim you cant just say No... well you can but I'd guess that people would vote you out for it.
If people dont want a massclaim then I guess I'll just continue doing what im doing and not care if the roleblocker isnt found soon.

Well I'll do whatever I feel is right whenever that happens and threatening me with getting voted out isn't going to change my decision. Even if I claim, it won't be because of you.

[Mystic Bears]

Well I guess this is just wrong but I always thought Massy was crumbing PGO really hard so I tried to not throw any more SRs on her that way town investigatives wouldn't go to her. Anyways I guess that wasn't what was going on. Ok then.

[Mystic Bears]

MB please claim, it would help alot figuring out this jigsaw. If it's even halfway decent we get killed today so glgl.
~C

uhhhh no. i dont want to claim.
i've explicitly said that its better to not claim and im sticking to that unless i see a reason to claim

[Mystic Bears]

why you think they're town.
~C

what

[Mystic Bears]

How does a factional kill get a modifier? Is that even a thing?

[Mystic Bears]

To be honest, with the Romance flip, Sakura's theory is a bit more possible.
House could be strongman if the pt ability was his buddy's. If it's actually his own (like proven and mod confirmed), then the chances are lower.
My issue with cheeky is just how she throws me around her reads list. Like she'll be like MB is town. No MB is scum. It's towny until you do it to much.
This doesn't mean I agree with the theory but I dont exactly like Mandelbrot especially. And Cheeky is debatable I guess. For Cheeky i think the main case at this point would probably just be that they were pushed like three days in a row but it never went through. Everything else isn't as strong since flipflipping sometimes depends on meta.

Also if i were scum, Sakura would've died last night. I dont think Sakura is deep wolf but if she is, we're screwed anyways so it doesn't matter i guess.
The only case I could ever be scum here would literally be if like Roleblocker was 1 shot and out of shots but otherwise I dont think i ever shoot Romance over Sakura.

[Mystic Bears]

Well I guess this is just wrong but I always thought Massy was crumbing PGO really hard so I tried to not throw any more SRs on her that way town investigatives wouldn't go to her. Anyways I guess that wasn't what was going on. Ok then.

Wait that actually might mean Mystic Bears is the scum strongman here...

Bruh what. You said "dont let town investigatives visit me" literally like 3 times. What the fuck else was I supposed to think and if i was scum, I would've just pushed you more and got a claim or enough suspicion on you that hopefully a town investigative would visit you.

[Mystic Bears]

Anyways I have a bunch of homework and won't be back until probably actually Tuesday night. Faerie dont claim.

[Mystic Bears]

Oh also thumbs up emoji for voting out wheme. Realcheeky said i TRed them which is like ???
Like I did on like day 1 but after that, no not really

[Mystic Bears]

Oh MB also defended Wheme.
~C

Bro what

[Mystic Bears]

Why is there so much false information oh my god

[Mystic Bears]

Oh MB also defended Wheme.
~C

Orly? Must be scum, then.

VOTE: Whemestar

- House

Because that fucking worked hot last time. Arcangel sure flipped scum role blocker or some shit.
Pretty sure Wheme is scum but your logic is wack. Maybe because you aren't town :/
Off for real this time though.

[Mystic Bears]

Ain't reading 13 pages, sup peeps. How's it goin?

[Mystic Bears]

Ain't reading 13 pages, sup peeps. How's it goin?

_f

[Mystic Bears]

I dont want to claim because claiming makes our role entirely useless.

Like entirely and 100% useless. I don't wish to say more about it. I'll find a way to crumb it sometime today but that's as far as I'm going. No one is getting this claim out of me. If you're town, you really don't want my role claim out because i guarantee it benefits scum far more than it benefits town. I would bet my LIFE on this claim being better for scum. Heck you dont even want my flavor claim. Well, I'm not sure the flavor is too too obvious but I think it's still bad. Either way I'm not claiming.

I've already said too much to be honest but anyone who continues to push this is just horrible town or scum. Don't do it.

What claim is completely useless when scum figures it out? I feel like this is so damn obvious honestly. There's only a handful I can even think of. PGO BP. Is there anything else? No, exactly. And Yda is literally known to be a pugilist and pugilists have sturdy bodies. Like I dont get how this didn't get across.

No the flavor is too obvious actually. It's too obvious because of what I've already said. No im not fucking claiming.

Yda

, I'm legitimately telling you that if I get pushed, the wagon needs to calm down fast because my claim is horrible for town. My role won't be too useful at the moment but I promise it's good in the long run if I dont claim.

*Ydra

This was an impulse crumb but I was thinking most wouldn't notice it if I slipped it in that way and I was right about it. Yda is a pugilist known to have a strong sturdy body. Guess what that means?! Aoerzan Bulletproof. Not like I also fucking crumbed it by saying this extremely obvious thing during that one bulletproof raid:

I don't care for bulletproof but VOTE: Raid
If anyone else needs it more, I'll out. As I said, I don't care for it.

Yeah ok the more I think about it, the more I have issues with it

Question Noraa bear,
have you accepted the end

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

Where is/are the vigs anyway.
Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots

This is I. Bell.
Woof, bawk.

Bell explain these posts right now. Asap. I need an explanation right now and I'm not accepting that you were joking. Bell, explain.

I was pretty much 70% convinced Bell was 3p through this chain of posts.
Think about it. Bell called me town at the very beginning of the game. Then he switched to SRing me. I was thinking Bell was 3p that shot at me when he thought I was town and then thought I was scum and decided to crumb 3p to me through these posts. I was like highly convinced he had shot at me night 1 and 3. I didn't actually think about this but I do think he was scum reading me day 3 so that actually doesn't make total sense. But when I saw these, I felt like he was crumbing something to me and it didn't feel right to me. This is a lesser point but the woof bark came across like an awooo wolf claim to me and I was just feeling in my gut that I was right. I wanted to explain this but I was also worried Bell was a town vig who was SRing me so I held off and decided to just wait. Seeing no double kills, I'm just assuming the whole thing isn't true. But there needs to be a reason there is BP in this game given scum have strongman so I figured it would be reasonable for there to be 3p.

To be honest, I reread these posts and they don't read the same at all now, but that was my thought process at the time.

MB how long are we supposed to wait?
~C

Until Bell replies or I am on the raid. The silence confirms my suspicions that Bell is one of two roles and there is a huge issue with one of the roles.

This was when I thought of the fact that Bell might be town vig. That didn't hold much merit to me because I explicitly thought "Is there a mass bullet proof mechanic with zero extra shots" was referring to me having bulletproof and some weird way to crumb that he knew I was bulletproof. And that was really shady because Bell doesn't know the flavor from what I could gather so how did he know I was bulletproof. I considered role cop. Flavor cop wasn't possible because he wasn't familiar with the flavor. Out of role cop and 3p, I leaned 3p and the possibility of town vig just floated around.

Yo, I don't crumb. I've said this in every game I've played and I continue to mean this (except for that one time where I kinda sorta crumbed.

1. I asked if you accepted the end because I thought your position was fairly poor and that after AA9 died, you'd like be next and also, I was hoping to poke you and see how you'd react because I am a stirrer at heart.
2. 4813 was just expressing my puzzlement that no vig shots have happened even though there's a mass bullet proof mechanic.
3. I had a snoopy avatar and I love dogs, so I say woof sometimes. You know this because you complained when I changed it. I think you both did. The bawk was because the avatar is a chicken/bird. I misposted from Milobird. So when you do that from the wrong account you're supposed to quote that post and identify who posted it.

I'm having one hell of a time trying to believe this right now.
I request that no one hammers for the next day at the very very LEAST. I need to think about this.

My current thoughts by the way: I do think Bell's post regarding my accusation sounds genuine. However, I need to think about it still so dont end the day before I come to a conclusion. Ftr idc who dies today (except it can't be me) and my reads have been shit so i dont think anyone needs my input anyways. Ok I'm off now.

I thought Bell's post was genuine and I didn't know what to think about that because the 3p theory made a shitton of sense.


And for any suspicion of me throwing random softs out there and being on the strong-arm raids and everything. I was trying pretty shitty darn hard to draw the nightkill because me being shot = town prs all stay alive for another day. I softed a shitton of power really hard because I wanted to draw the nightkill. I do stand by the fact that my role is powerful especially nearing endgame if not outed. Because even if there's just one day I'm townread by most people, that's enough to draw a nightkill most likely. That was my hope because then claiming would confirm me as town since scum dont nokill late in games no matter what. I do think my role is powerful but probably not as powerful as I was sometimes softing. And as for what I was softing exactly, I don't know. I just know I was trying to make it sound like I was a super powerful pr while not claiming.

I don't know who scum is at this point and am just waiting to poe this game out because I don't have the time to sit down and actually sort and think and repeat. I don't like being mislimmed but I don't think I ever endgame this game so better now than elo. This is my last attempt at obvtowning but if today's elim is still me, I accept that.

But also, any arguments that I am scum for AtE are just bad at this point. The AtE present in this game is genuine and probably only 0.00000000001% of the AtE in my scum games. As I've said for the longest time, META ME. Don't just make assumptions because my meta has evolved and it's not death curse meta anymore. Like in death curse, it was the day before my birthday and I was sick but I probably wouldn't say that as town. Here is entirely different. The only "AtE" if you can even call it that is my homework but that is a legitimate problem. It is legitimately sucking up hours of my time and I am unable to actively play as a result of that. And the only reason I even mention it is because I think it's affecting the game and I went multiple long phases without posting anything before I decided it was better to include a reason so I didn't get sussed for being inactive. The AtE here is SO MUCH less present. If this were my scum game, I'd be steamrolling the shit out of such a scummy set of players. One last point, I'm quite sure scum me would have reposted Ydrasse's TR on me like multiple times by now. And just I am never SRed this much in a playlist like this. There's honestly so many reasons I'm town. Anyways this is getting too long. Imma just leave it here. I'm town

[Mystic Bears]

Are you claiming PGO here

uh no??

[Mystic Bears]

Bruh why the fuck wouldn't i fake crumb to draw the nk?
i joked around saying i was vig
insisted i must be in every raid

i was some town pr or a town friendly 3p. can't remember which and i didn't claim pgo there. mom claimed it.

[Mystic Bears]

Ok i legit have hw and need to go now just wanted to stick around for any quick questions. No i did not claim pgo here and I don't even know where you get that. Like the claim is very clearly BP.

[Mystic Bears]

Ok the chem test was legit too but I went overboard with the AtE in other ways. I don't lie about homework. I guess this'll sound scummy now that you say that but I do have a calc test tomorrow that I now can't focus on because now I'm like determined to get town reads.

I keep thinking I can actually let my mind be at peace about mafia games but they always just drive me insane.
And i read that as why not what

[Mystic Bears]

It doesn't even have anything to do with you. I dont want to study is probably the main reason.

[Mystic Bears]

you're scummy.

I mean that's not really new to either side of my meta. I've played extremely scummy town, 3p, and scum games.

[Mystic Bears]

Oh no, I never thought you were lying about homework or doing stuff.
Though I do know you lie about other things, but who doesn't.

Like what? I dont think I've ever lied in a game before. Sure I might post something that I dont need to post but I've never *lied*

[Mystic Bears]

Ah I get what you're saying
But even with that, you still think it's possible that I'm scum?

[Mystic Bears]

no to the college student thing, to the rest because I think I just understood what you meant.

[Mystic Bears]

Which btw, I dont think that actually happened but I do remember some shenanigans surrounding my age. I dont think I ever straight up lied about it though.

[Mystic Bears]

I don't want to bash this hard but there is so much misinformation and lack of facts.
Your point about voting. i've voted raid 6 times. I've voted a person 5. Given those stats, yes I haven't voted scum. I don't see why that's an issue.

I defended Cakey day 1 because i've seen him miselimmed too many times as town. I have no reason not to and have never been able to read him anyways.
I defended wheme ONE TIME bc i thought the amount of SRs on him was very townindic for him. I NEVER DEFENDED HIM AFTERWARDS. #MISINFORMATION Calling him towny is not a defense when I'm calling him scum for it. Context matters.
I never voted him. that's true. I thought arc and wheme were scum at one point and then thought arc was town.
I won't explain my TR on elsa but I believed in it.
House was asking for it
3. no.

[Mystic Bears]

Eugh my head hurts... I should also probably start efforting this game. Totally haven' been fair on NorNor me sat doing *vague wibbly hand wave and brain explosion mimicry*

Where we at?

[Mystic Bears]

Eugh my head hurts... I should also probably start efforting this game. Totally haven' been fair on NorNor me sat doing *vague wibbly hand wave and brain explosion mimicry*

Where we at?

-Flea, if it wasn't clear

[Mystic Bears]

oh theres a mastina wall on us? kewl. gimme a mo.

[Mystic Bears]

oh theres a mastina wall on us? kewl. gimme a mo.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

(Btw another reason I think Mystic Bears is scum: unironically, I feel like basically any scumteam in this game would've had incentive to kill me. Maybe, MAYBE not N1, but every night after that, I should've been a possibility.
[...]
The list of people who don't have reason to nightkill me is then narrowed down to:
{Bell, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Mystic Bears}.
Keep in mind also that the known dead and flipped scum could also be calling for my head. It'd take a remaining scum

overriding

the dead scum to not kill me early here.

Bell tends to just go with the flow of the scumteam--he would not be the one to override SirCakez/Elsa/Wheme/etc. on nightkilling me. So we can safely remove him.

Meaning there's precisely three players who wouldn't nightkill me early on:
{tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Mystic Bears}.

Mystic Bears, both because Flea likes to play with me and can often subvert my efforts, and because Noraa thought I was a PGO role (which would thus, be a bad nightkill).

Eh, boring.
Regarding me, yea I don't kill you N1 in most cases, because I'm reasonably sure I can stay out of your PoE and EC Mafia was beautiful but has probably left you a little paranoid around me. If I can't stay out of your PoE then I absolutely have to NK you because you will find me and bust me. While I am able to subvert your efforts on occasion, it doesn't happen nearly as much as you'd think.

If as scum I have no input in the NK, then I'm either scum with people who are disregarding my input (unwnds harbinger game) which is a lot of potential associatives from D1 - or - this is my slankiest game ever as an alignment we both know I love to play.

[Mystic Bears]

(Btw another reason I think Mystic Bears is scum: unironically, I feel like basically any scumteam in this game would've had incentive to kill me. Maybe, MAYBE not N1, but every night after that, I should've been a possibility.
[...]
The list of people who don't have reason to nightkill me is then narrowed down to:
{Bell, tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Mystic Bears}.
Keep in mind also that the known dead and flipped scum could also be calling for my head. It'd take a remaining scum

overriding

the dead scum to not kill me early here.

Bell tends to just go with the flow of the scumteam--he would not be the one to override SirCakez/Elsa/Wheme/etc. on nightkilling me. So we can safely remove him.

Meaning there's precisely three players who wouldn't nightkill me early on:
{tictac, Tomorrow Corporation, Mystic Bears}.

Mystic Bears, both because Flea likes to play with me and can often subvert my efforts, and because Noraa thought I was a PGO role (which would thus, be a bad nightkill).

Eh, boring.
Regarding me, yea I don't kill you N1 in most cases, because I'm reasonably sure I can stay out of your PoE and EC Mafia was beautiful but has probably left you a little paranoid around me. If I can't stay out of your PoE then I absolutely have to NK you because you will find me and bust me. While I am able to subvert your efforts on occasion, it doesn't happen nearly as much as you'd think.

If as scum I have no input in the NK, then I'm either scum with people who are disregarding my input (unwnds harbinger game) which is a lot of potential associatives from D1 - or - this is my slankiest game ever as an alignment we both know I love to play.

-Flea again

[Mystic Bears]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

You could've just hacked into my account and voted for me.

Now thats a wall, I'll haev a read in a bit.

[Mystic Bears]

VOTE: Mystic Bears

You could've just hacked into my account and voted for me.

Now thats a wall, I'll haev a read in a bit.

-Fleeeea

[Mystic Bears]

So 2.5 questions mastina?

Do you really think I'd let myself be caught mechanically? This goes back to if I'm scum, my team haven't been listening to me. so subquestion there is do you really think I'd hang around in a game again when I'm getting mechanically screwed by my team?

Do you really think me and Noraa would be so... Naive? as to just openwolf and guard like that? Given I've been fairly out of the game do you not think it's probable that as we've converged on our reads we just have some shockingly bad reads?

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Seeing the posts from today, I have some thoughts and then I'm dipping off. I don't have any tasks to do today but I don't really think anything else that I could say today is useful. This post ihas the things I think are important.

If we elim me today, look at Tomorrow the following day. He shouldn't be scum reading me here if my alt guess is correct, which he basically explicitly said was true. I don't want to out the main and would prefer people don't speculate on it but his alignment is something that is probably not town. Ydrasse TRing him is the only reason he is town, if he is town. I disagree with Massy on Realcheeks. I think they're scum here. There's a counterargument of but they look bad for being wobbly on you. Yeah but it's really one of the few ways to make sure I die first which leads to more opportunities/at the very least, one more day. Everyone that says Realcheeky town is off the basis that I am scum but I know I'm not. But even when I flip green, I still think people will think Realcheeky is town and thats why I think they are probably scum. Like their position in the game has gone from shaky to pretty solid. That's not typically a town thing unless there was a shift in something or another. Don't see why Nancy ever sticks her neck out for me as scum. I have some paranoia on Gamma but it's not stronger than my townread on Nancy. STD is in a similar place. If Bell isn't town vig, Bell could be scum. Unless there's specific stuff in the pts that I'm missing, I don't think his activity is above and beyond. Half the posts are just like "I have no time for this game" + 20% of a content post. There's more but it's not as important.

At the end of the day, getting no reply from Bell means no one in this game is able to confirm my role. I have quite some paranoia on a lot of slots, most of which are probably town. My role isn't provable and I have nothing to back myself up with besides my meta and crumbs. It doesn't really matter if I die today or tomorrow but if I die tomorrow, I want a pt with Massy tonight. Explicitly that. If I die today, it's a good reset button at the least and we aren't losing a powerful role so it's not the end of the world. After I'm outed, I'm basically negative utility anyways

[Mystic Bears]

Ok well I'm not scum. I'm guessing there's no way this wagon shifts off me and that's whatever I guess. We chilling.
Also the reason I think Realcheeky is scum is mostly because of all of the talk about being a sucker for people saying they are town. That read as pretty bs-y. whatever raid this that logic doesn't register with me and is kind of dumb. Just fill the damn raid and end the day Noraas gonna flip red for stupid reasons#1, 2 and 3.

[Mystic Bears]

Also flea went over it a little I think but the theory that scum team was shivering in their boots around Massy and didn't kill her because they thought she was PGO is absolutely ridiculous.
1) I have zero fear of Massy regardless of alignment
2) I think there's really only a select few that find her scary play wise
2) mech wise, she's essentially done nothing except make one raid go through.
How is that a higher priority kill than either Doc or cop. The logic doesn't make sense. Heck I dont even think its higher priority than tracker.

[Mystic Bears]

Not to mention I'm quite sure the time Massy started "softing PGO" like I thought was actually after Romance died so it doesn't make any sense timeline wise either

[Mystic Bears]

I guess you will meet the same fate as MB then who has also considered themselves too important to cooperate with town.
~C

Hey now... I been ill. Thought nornor claimed? :/

[Mystic Bears]

Newsflash!

Titus posted a list of roles in the n1 PT and asked dwlee for target suggestions.

dwlee suggested Mirio as the target for both Tracker & Follower.

Who died n1? Mirio.

WHY WOULD DWLEE FOR THAT AS SCUM?

You're welcome.

- House

Because like me, dwlee is a "Screw you and your meta" type of peep - and I wouldn't be surprised if like me dwlee tries to actively screw with their meta.

That said Dwlee is town imo. I got nothin but town vibes when I've actually popped in and read a page or two.

[Mystic Bears]

i think this is where i'm at

Toogeloo - probably town due to flavor mastery
mastina - probably town due to role
Save The Dragons - that's me!
dwlee99 - town due to house being town
tictac - i think town due to play
Mystic Bears (Noraa + Flea the Magician) - i think town due to play
Mandelbrot (House + Yume) - probably town
Tomorrow Corporation - i think town due to play

looking in the following for scum

Qrow and Raven (Gamma Emerald + Nancy Drew 39)
RealCheeks (RCEnigma + CheekyTeeky)
Bell

Ngl bell still being in game is town bell (Sorry bell <3)

-Flea for three.

[Mystic Bears]

Randomly posting to keep up appearances, I actually haven't read a single page of this game.
I don't even know who I'm responding to.

Mood xD

I've read like maybe a total of 7-10 pages?

[Mystic Bears]

[...]

I reduced the quotes down to make it clear what I'm responding too... how is that malicious? That's also where I saw the case. I'm still not in optimal mafia headspace (Hence I'm in the one game right now and not several like usual) There's many many instances in my past where i've done this.

And every single time I've done this, just like in that post, I did the [...] to show I'd removed stuff. I don't remember seeing the link to your prior "actual" case but I remember someone quoting it for me so I could catch up and address it properly.

I'm getting a bad feeling, and I see you've posted more so amma look at that before confirming it.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

When you quote a post that has multiple quotes, it's quite easy to keep the contents of the later post but have the quote link be from the earlier post.

Also no it isn't, you've seen the mess I've made of my spoilers and quote walls...

[Mystic Bears]

[...]

Do you really think I'd let myself be caught mechanically?

At the time, no!
You'd not let yourself be immediately caught by mechanics.
Inadvertently not realizing the town could POE things down the line?

That's not something ANY scum player, no matter HOW mechanically-gifted they are, can avoid.

If you THINK you're mechanically safe, but it later turns out you're not, I don't care how good you think you are at mechanics. Both heads of Reasonably Rational, Jingle, other mechanical-gods, geniuses of mechanics and manipulating them as scum. NOBODY is immune to getting caught down the line for making a play they initially thought they couldn't get caught from.

Plus, to some extent, it's also something not fully under your control, as other scum enter into the picture with what they did. You can control your own mechanical position; you can suggest positions for your scumbuddies, but scumbuddies ultimately do not necessarily listen to your advice, and thus, no amount of mechanical prowess on your part can prevent the combination of misplays from scumbuddies and later town POE information from catching what was originally a safe play and then becoming caught mechanically.

However, it's not even a surefire thing that scum did not do what you wanted. It's possible they didn't act as you asked, but it's also possible they

did

, and you just didn't account for

every

variable. You're not omnipotent. No mechanics-oriented player is. They can coordinate what they

think

to be the optimal play is, and then end up later proven wrong, only realizing they made a mistake in hindsight.

do you really think I'd hang around in a game again when I'm getting mechanically screwed by my team?

For multiple reasons? Yes. You're not going to bail on Noraa here, and it wasn't until basically today that you were mechanically caught. You would have no reason to have bailed previously and even had you, Noraa is enough reason to have talked you out of it, thinking it was salvageable. Because it is.

Plus, beyond that, there's a matter of sportsmanship.

It's generally considered poor form to replace out of a game as one of the last scum when you are likely to go down sooner rather than later--you know this, Flea, so why WOULD you replace out? You have literally every reason NOT to.

Do you really think me and Noraa would be so... Naive? as to just openwolf and guard like that?

Explicitly so, yes.

One thing I'm confident in is my mechanical play. You'll remember back on D1 I had a bit of sus on you as you revealed a power that would eliminate a PoE tool for town. Given my love of mechanical shenganigans, how do I not plan for that further down the line? Going back to unwnds game I was set on using abilities over kills but I got overridden by 2 powerful players. Yes there could be a chance I get mechanically caught, I honestly find it unlikely. As scum knowing that power would have serious consequences down the line, I would've seen you out N2 at the absolute latest.

As much as I do have the occasional god complex issues... you forget I can and will account for every variable I can. I will neck my nyoom juice and go full conspiracy mode. I enjoy playing as scum in mechanical games because I have more information to gain and manipulate. Even when a plan doesn't fully go to fruition I will have secondary and even tertiary plans to fall back on. With all respect to the players here there is probably 1 player I would particular have trouble convincing of optimal mechanics in the player list - you. I've seen you go as scum in weird mech games, while you may be better than me at solving overall I know we would clash over mechanical plays.

You're right, I wouldn't bail on Noraa - unless I had to. Also, knowing we came into this game as a pair, knowing that Noraa wanted to hydra with me specifically so they could play against Mom and because I could cover some slack while they had their studies, I could have bailed at any time and Noraa would've likely agreed or have subbed in as their main or agreed to the tag out.

Sportsmanship will always come second to my health - which as you know is hella volatile, and if I was scum and fighting against my teammates, I would have bailed. This includes replacing out as the last scum, and I wouldn't have even got that far if it was the case my team wasn't listening to me, because I refuse to repeat that game again.

That you explicitly think me and noraa would actually openwolf like that I actually find a complement and it reinforces my belief that my scumgame has no limits.

As for the bad feeling I had, I'm pretty sure it's accurate at this point. I think you're looking for a reason to scumread us. Given the wall you've put out specifically addressing me that tells me for sure this is the case.
You will always find the bad if you're looking for it.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

PLayed scum with them once, I wouldn't be surprised if they did for the self-clear because people insist on meta and using it badly...

Anyway, I gotta go hobble on a bus.

Being disabled sucks.

_Flea Out <3

[Mystic Bears]

MB refusing to consider a town!dwlee world here just screams scum to me.

- House

Setting up much house? I'm pretty sure dwlee is town here, I've have nothing but town vibes and I've said that consistently.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Huh, apparently we're not voting.

VOTE: StD

So much drama about "OOOOOOO amma claim!"

[Mystic Bears]

I'd want to know why you want to hammer us, personally.

-F, as is the above.

[Mystic Bears]

i'll claim if more people get on me but i am asking that you trust me here

It's not like this is day 2 or 3.

5 nights have passed for you to do whatever you are trying to hint you can do, and you've shown nothing for all that time.

Trust is gone.

- House

this is stressful as fuck and all i have to do to make it go away is claim/fakeclaim as scum

why am i not doing that

So far, fake claims have been less than credible.

That's a pretty solid reason.

- House

Idk who is scum but I like STD

He's a cool dude, for sure.

Damned shame he's red.

Also what the hell is this Sequence?
Dunno whats worse, the the claim bait drama or House just being genuinely scummy at this point.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

pretty confident mandelbrot is town at this point

Glad you are because the bit I've seen of House absolutely blows.

Gets my read wrong, then is apparently faking out on you? Isn't sitting well with me.

Might be worth waiting for mastina to see if she has ideas about switching votes since MB/us/tictac are off raid.
~C

I'm game, wanting to see her responses to my points.

[Mystic Bears]

[...]
Please, do shade us harder.

A little lower and to the left....

.... ah, yeah... that's the stuff...

- House

Loving the Boosh reference, while you're here, whats the deal housey?
-F

[Mystic Bears]

I still don't understand how a few people are cleared for townplay but que sera. I feel good that we outlasted romances attempts to lim us.
~C

Advantage to the brainfog clearing late, I don't have that biasclear on people.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

[...]
Please, do shade us harder.

A little lower and to the left....

.... ah, yeah... that's the stuff...

- House

Loving the Boosh reference, while you're here, whats the deal housey?
-F

I'm having fun. Life's too short to be super serial.

- House.

Love the thinking, chronic pain has taught me that I did not spend enough of my life just dicking around and having fun, and considering thats mostly what I got up to...

Seriously though House, what was that sequence all about? Looks sus af to me and I don't have much memory of you from my brief flits in game.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

That's exactly why it's bragging rights. Town cop dying wish to miselim us denied.
~C

That kinda of survivalistic attitude is exactly why I want you dead.

This game isn't about finding scum, for you. It's about not getting eliminated.

That's scum right thar.

- House

Likewise I don't remember seeing much of RC but they're in my notes as a positive from D1 lol

Whast the beef? Got a post I can go look at and dig around in?

-F

[Mystic Bears]

[...]
Please, do shade us harder.

A little lower and to the left....

.... ah, yeah... that's the stuff...

- House

Loving the Boosh reference, while you're here, whats the deal housey?
-F

I'm having fun. Life's too short to be super serial.

- House.

Love the thinking, chronic pain has taught me that I did not spend enough of my life just dicking around and having fun, and considering thats mostly what I got up to...

Seriously though House, what was that sequence all about? Looks sus af to me and I don't have much memory of you from my brief flits in game.

-F

I just told you.

You don't have to like it.

- House

Fair nuff.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

That's exactly why it's bragging rights. Town cop dying wish to miselim us denied.
~C

... Romance was the cop? Well it's something to go dig in.

Flea house is a soft mechanical clear given his role and scum not being multitasking following some assumptions:
- scum do not have a factional ability aside from NK
- there are 5 scum
- the two remaining scum are RB and Strongman.

~C

Sounds like a bias clear to me, but fair enough. Thanks for the info <3

-F

[Mystic Bears]

No-one who can undo the janitor kill then either I guess?

yes I just saw that.

[Mystic Bears]

The reasons for town believing there is an RB and strongman are pretty valid.
- Romance claiming to be RB'd N2 onwards.
- Titus was killed and was BP.
~C

Wasn't doubting the role suspicion, was more the soft clearing of people. I hate that because you just know a good wolf will set up to be in that place, it's the kinda BS I'd try and pull.

-F btw, as was the last few.

[Mystic Bears]

Not arsed about it honestly, and you're the one still on about it.

I've always had the difference between biasclear and mechclear, and it's clear you're not willing to talk with me so I'm leaving you be. <3

-F

PEDIT:

No-one who can undo the janitor kill then either I guess?

yes I just saw that.

Mastina thought some mechanic in her role could reveal the janitored role which apparently did not work as expected due to reasons I forgot.
~C

That sucks.

[Mystic Bears]

It is widely accepted though the the janitored role for H1H2 was likely town as they were janitored after NK. What I wonder though is if scum could then see the role and use it to fabricate a strong fake claim.
~C

Town Janitor sounds more Anti-PR to me, also if there is a swapper then scum will likely have that role if they're playing any sort of decently.

I disagree with the assertion that Mandel is soft clear. I townread him but I don't think that's the case

Which part of the mechanical clear do you disagree with?
~C

The part where you said soft, probably. This is why I use biasclear and mechclear. Mech clears are hard mechanical undisputable clears. Bias clears have a hint of bias to them or are soft clears.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

I disagree with the assertion that Mandel is soft clear. I townread him but I don't think that's the case

The fact Titus lived as long as she did and never claimed to be roleblocked conftowns us.

Duh.

- House

Wasn't Titus bulletproof? How would a BP get blocked?

Ya know something, I haven't read like 90% of this game, amma handwave it and come back to it later.

PEDIT - ok interesting... yeah I'm definitely staying off that, thats a power I need to watch over to assess so I'll just accept what the bulk of the game are saying, you may take your biasclear.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Fuck soft clear.

I declare us hard clear.

Come get some, scum.

- House

The advantage to a soft clear is that it is indeed fuckable, that's why it's soft, its malleable.

-F

Eugh I repulsed myself, brb while I shudder that outta my system

[Mystic Bears]

Fuck soft clear.

I declare us hard clear.

Come get some, scum.

- House

The advantage to a soft clear is that it is indeed fuckable, that's why it's soft, its malleable.

-F

Eugh I repulsed myself, brb while I shudder that outta my system

[Mystic Bears]

Stupid WiFi, Anyway.

I'm not claiming without Nornor.

I am not reading the game house, I haven't been well for a good chunk of this and I'm still at a point where frankly spoons are hard to come by.

Would also appriciate if you stop swearing at me otherwise as I said to mastina, my health becomes the priority because your aggression is not playing nice with the intrusive thoughts rn.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

Read the fucking game.

This, however, is - and I am asking you to not.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

You still need to read the game, though.

Just because Titus died to nk while she was bulletproof, doesn't mean that was her role.

Kinda silly that you'd assume I'd hang my conftown claim on a passive ability not being roleblocked. That should have immediately told you there was something important you were missing.

- House

There is a lot I am missing, ngl, I'm trying to go over what's happened when, who died as what but I'm struggling to retain information much at the moment and I must've read the OP about 20 times already. You claiming conftown means either you got ballsier than usual or it's genuine. I wouldn't put the first one past you but I'm glad its looking more like the second one.

Role swapper always jades the pool as it means scum has a lot more information if it's theirs, assuming nobody has claimed it as I can't see it flipped means it's scum, scum has a lot of freaking information if they've had 5 uses of it, looking at the gated flips, do we have any reason to suspect it's not gated?

Titus, Thancred (Eorzean Non-consecutive Tracker Non-consecutive Follower), was eliminated Night 3.

This doesn't track with a bulletproof titus? Which is how I assume we know about a role stealing role?

I'm also going to come back at this in the morning and hope whatevers going on in my head has quietened down.

Gnight all.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

I would just self hammer right now if I were scum and town is all uniting and doing amazing right now. Like unless everyone thinks scum team is like me and Mastina, town is uniting here if im scum and i have no reason to not just self hammer. This wagon isn't changing today like there's literally no way. Also no this isn't a trust tell because I self hammer more as town than scum.
Anyways game is basically solved. Tomorrow/Realcheeky solve. Could change either out but this pool has 1 scum at the very least.

[Mystic Bears]

If Nancy hammers after town reading me like that, that needs to be looked at tomorrow.
Didn't understand tictacs posts but that hammer would be funky. It'd be weird but not confscum.
But otherwise its just realcheeky and tomorrow.

[Mystic Bears]

If Nancy hammers after town reading me like that, that needs to be looked at tomorrow.
Didn't understand tictacs posts but that hammer would be funky. It'd be weird but not confscum.
But otherwise its just realcheeky and tomorrow.

So, you're voting a player outside your solve with your scumread?

That totally makes sense.

- House

Well I am willing to vote basically any counter wagon.
Like STD is probably town but I could potentially be cleared in some way or another just through one night so I don't see why leaving that vote Flea put down there is an issue.

[Mystic Bears]

Dont tell me what to do House. You have zero control over me and I do whatever I want.

[Mystic Bears]

Excellent pagetopping tactics, tictac.

Ehh you should have more to say than that.

[Mystic Bears]

how about massy writes up a wall assuming i flip town because that'll actually come in clutch tomorrow

[Mystic Bears]

Tomorrow Corporation > RealCheeks >>>> Dwlee99 > tictac.

I am totally fine with this. Like if you just follow this order, game just ends in two days.
3 or 4 is also possible but it'd be more obvious if one of those two wasn't scum by that time. Also, I still nullread Dwlee really heavily and like Dwlee is by no means confirmed town from what I've read. To house I suppose.

[Mystic Bears]

This doesn't track with a bulletproof titus? Which is how I assume we know about a role stealing role?

What's tonight's raid bonus?

- House

No idea.

Yes, mandel is a link shell neighborizor who also is a strongman.

That makes sense.

Never made the implication Mandel was Strongman? Don't know what you're getting at here.

I actually don’t find neighborizors very townie because neighborhoods are an awesome manipulation tool in scum hands.

This strong man stuff is just confused though.
Also, after realizing that this mastina argument is only about checking a single claim of Mastina’s that doesn’t even confirm their alignment I care little about this tbh.

VOTE: Mystic bears

Have a good one.

That's why I always sideeye neighbourhoods. I used a scum hood amazingly against Mastina before now and bought myself a biasclear.

If Nancy hammers after town reading me like that, that needs to be looked at tomorrow.
Didn't understand tictacs posts but that hammer would be funky. It'd be weird but not confscum.
But otherwise its just realcheeky and tomorrow.

So, you're voting a player outside your solve with your scumread?

That totally makes sense.

- House

Almost like it has to be done sometimes... Besides that, we're voting a player

I'm

suspicious of, whats with you and trying to so openly undermine our position?


-F

[Mystic Bears]

And by undermining us I mean failing miserably at your misrepresentation attempts.

You may be biasclear, but you're literally just trying to shove us based on BS.

-F

[Mystic Bears]

My bad ^_^

-F

[Mystic Bears]

If Nancy hammers after town reading me like that, that needs to be looked at tomorrow.
Didn't understand tictacs posts but that hammer would be funky. It'd be weird but not confscum.
But otherwise its just realcheeky and tomorrow.

Don’t do this to me Flea. I’m assuming this is Flea?

I think you’re probably town but you’re not really giving me alot here. :/

~R

I feel like I've given you a lot to work with though. You were in death curse, pocketed really hard by me. You were in all of my larges. Have I even been attempting to pocket you this game? Aside from Ydrasse and Tomorrow, you are the person in this game that knows my meta the best. My emotions are so suppressed and I genuinely feel my reads.

[Mystic Bears]

Good game!