Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[mastina]

Why Taly?

Gut.

Basically, Lady Chloe gives off the vibes that I'd expect from someone like me--who has basically the same thing across all three games. Start to finish, I don't really see any signs indicating a dissonance in alignments. You can literally see it on the first page of the game. Doesn't that look like a

normal

Taly game opening?

It does to me. Like, that looks like someone who is just...town. Not town in one game. Town in

all

of them. 8, 9, 11, 12, and to a lesser extent even 14. All of these have the fluidity naturalness organic flow to them that I would expect from Taly as town to have.

It legitimately, genuinely, doesn't feel like Taly got three role PMs.

It feels like Taly got

one

.

Which would basically only be possible if Taly was town across all three games.

[CheekyTeeky]

I’d seriously like to know why House? The fact the he tops Mastina’s list and he is higher than me, makes me wonder if how much stock I should put into any of Mastina’s reads unless I’m mindmelding with them myself.

That first post is so off key and slimy to me. Idk what mastina sees.

[CheekyTeeky]

Maybe they're buds in a game? I don't want to lim mastina D1 though given her role soft and I always feel less stupid when mastina is around for some reason.

[mastina]

Are you scum house?

Well...he

was

!

Now he's not tho!

I’d seriously like to know why House?

Because House's play was transparently and obviously the play of someone who was town in 2/3 games and scum in the third. Like, basically every post House made, made it obvious: he's town in 2/3 of the games and scum in the third. Everything he did, everything he said, it was just that vibe and very very obviously so, and quite strongly so.

I know I'm not the greatest at reading House, but like...this seemed incredibly apparent to me, that House couldn't be ALL town but also was still coming MAINLY from a town point of view. It definitely looked like he was scum in the third game...because he was! But in the other two games, his stances, pushes, opinions, views, etc., all look pretty damn strongly like they come from town.

So with him having flipped scum in one game, he's town in both the others.

House/Amy probably not SvS in any game. This is the best way to hunt Imo, through partner PoE. A50, you should be good at this iirc.

Fairly decent chance, yes, but that's because House is town in 2/3 games and while Amy's less likely scum in the third game is probably scum in one of game 1/game 2.

[mastina]

I’d seriously like to know why House? The fact the he tops Mastina’s list and he is higher than me, makes me wonder if how much stock I should put into any of Mastina’s reads unless I’m mindmelding with them myself.

That first post is so off key and slimy to me. Idk what mastina sees.

That first post from House was offkey and slimy because House was scum in game #3.

But since he has

flipped

scum in game #3, he's NOT scum in the OTHER games.

Like, I legit think that I am fairly good at estimating the number of towngames players here have, approximately.

Taly has 3 towngames; Almost50 has 3 towngames; T3 probably has at least 2 maybe 3; Dwlee has at least 2 maybe 3; House is basically confirmed to have 2/3; you have a chance at being town in all three; Dunnstral is probably town in 2/3 similar to House (with a chance at 3/3 but if I was sure of this Dunn'd be at the T3/Dwlee tier and I am explicitly not); Amy is probably sum in at least 1 game; Ircher, RCE, and Meg are all scum in at least one game with the very very real chance of being scum in 2/3 games.

I genuinely don't think I'm off the mark on any of these. I think that I legit, deadass, nailed the distribution exactly.

I just.

Feel VERY confident in these.

So like.

With House having flipped scum in game 3, I think that he's town in the other two.

[CheekyTeeky]

OH okay I'll just catch up.

[Amy Dunne]

I’d seriously like to know why House? The fact the he tops Mastina’s list and he is higher than me, makes me wonder if how much stock I should put into any of Mastina’s reads unless I’m mindmelding with them myself.

That first post is so off key and slimy to me. Idk what mastina sees.

+1

I still don’t understand her Ircher read but I am notoriously bad at reading him.

Idk with Meg, possibly? I can say that based off of the previous setup, which everyone who wasn’t in it, absolutely should read and shouldn’t put too much stock in statistical mech solves until they do.

I am not just taking anyone’s word for anything unless I vibe with that myself but so far, I like A50 and Cheeky the best. Chloe could be town but she totally fooled me last time and we lost game 2 because I was so pocketed.

[Amy Dunne]

Oh wait this is a serious wagon.
UNVOTE:

Meg confirmed scum with RCE.

They must be aligned outside of Game 3 if we respect Almost50's judgment.

What a thought.

According to A50's judgement we are aligned in Game C too!

Lovely

“too”?

VOTE: RCEnigma

Simply Perish

VOTE: RCE

VOTE: RCE

Why is this a wagon?

This makes me think RCE and Meg are either buddies and/or possibly she was tming him town in game 3.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Meg
VOTE: RR

[RCEnigma]

This setup is gonna do my head in.

For the record:
I point you to a post like this for proof that RCE is

not

town in all three games. If you are town in all three of your games, then the game's not hard to wrap your head around. You're scumhunting just like normal and as you know yourself to be town in all of them, you play to your town wincon of trying to eliminate the scum.

It's

only

when you have

scum

that the game becomes more complicated. It's only when you have different alignments in your games that it becomes more of a headache in the way RCE is describing.

That, aside from how a fully-town RCE never makes a post like this in the first place.

You rolled scum, didn't you?

This is also not a town response from Ircher.

There's a

damn

good reason that my vote pool is {RCE, Ircher, MegAzumarill} and that's because I legit think that those three are all scum in

at least

one game, and that of the players in the game, they are the ones with the highest chances of actually being scum in

more

than one game.

Err the setup is complicated regardless of alignments. Like there is so much that was unclear even without knowing how it works. And finding out how it works there is so much more to the game like the voting or scum being able to share information across games or use their scum pt in one game as a pseudo neighborhood for another or cross game poes and the list keeps going.

I'd make a post like that as either alignment so half credit I guess.

[RCEnigma]

The shame disturbed my sleep. Deepest apologies RCEnigma.

It's cool. Should have trusted my gut on the house thing.

[CheekyTeeky]

VOTE: House

Hero vote right hyur.

VOTE: Amy Dunne

Not vibing ya, Ames.

No reaction to A50’s post?

It's A50, not the first time I've seen him pull a hero solve out of his ass on d1.

I hate this post
you're just completely discreditng a50 and not addressing his points
the tone of this also reads like you don't actually think a50 is joking.

I don't think I've ever seen T3 explain himself before and unprompted at that. Not sure what that means just yet.

[RCEnigma]

Now 113, on the other hand.
THAT post, THAT is a scumclaim from RCEnigma.

So the read's right, I just think you called the wrong post a scumclaim.

I don't usually get mad in Mafia games but I will literally flip my shit if the scumclaim thing keeps being thrown around as a GOTCHYA! thing. This isn't at you specifically because EVERYONE does it and it's so awful and dumb. They're nai posts.

Feels super hypocritical to say because I said it to A50 but he was calling town!me scum for an angleshoot that had nothing to do with me but damn.

[CheekyTeeky]

A50, you should know better than most that the only time I'm afraid of being run up is as town.

My scum games is stronk. It's my villa game that sucks.

Mate, you already are caught. YOU LOGGED INTO YOUR LUTHER ACCOUNT. Before you did it was "Last Visited on 27 Nov".

VOTE: House

While I do strongly think house is scum, the optimal mechanical play is to look for people in your group who re also scum in other games.

If you think I'm scum, vote me. Don't make excuses not to.

+scumpoints

I think this post is coming from a town pov since I can see T3 is being weird in general. T3/House not SvS. T3 could be scum in 1 and 2 since house scum in 3.

[RCEnigma]

Been awhile cheeky. Hoping you're town cuz I need an anchor.

[RCEnigma]

Meg is town in 3 for sure and I kind of want to blitz game three before worrying about the other two games for the sake of clarity, or however close we can get to that.

[CheekyTeeky]

BTW T3 and Delete MIGHT be town in all three games, hard to tell for sure.
They're definitely town in at least 2/3 tho, so. Not limming them D1.

Ah we've hit a wall in opinion. I think my side gets more sun lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Been awhile cheeky. Hoping you're town cuz I need an anchor.

HI RCE, I am town <3

What are your thoughts on T3? Do you have much experience with him?
~C

[RCEnigma]

T3 hasn't used meta in at least half of his posts so I'm pretty sure he's an alt being played by someone else and the real t3 is stuck in the mason thread.

[CheekyTeeky]

Lmao

[RCEnigma]

Not really, I've played 1 game with scum!t3 and 1 game with town!t3. So like my metric for him is mostly activity and wim but I wouldn't consider either accurate.

[RCEnigma]

For hard reads, A50 probably town in the remaining games. My only issue was him pushing me directly but outside of that I felt he was town.

If Dunn is scum in game 3 he's probably town in the other 2. Meg is town in game 3 and I'm gonna go ahead and say ircher is too, I don't have a read on either outside of game 3 context though.

[RCEnigma]

I've sort of come around on Taly too but I honestly don't know if it's just because I enjoy Taly as a person in general lol.

[CheekyTeeky]

Nice, I don't know how to read Taly but I get what you mean. I'm a bit weary of Amy and Dunn for weak reasons at this point. Like Amy seems weirdly mad about mastina town reading house, which I get but the frustration didn't vibe, Dunn attempting a repeat town tell by lack of access to the scum pt (he did that in the last version and it was true, but repeating tells with a lot of the same players can carry quite a different motive Imo.)

Now I'm going to get some sleep and piece together a triple win in my dreams

[Amy Dunne]

I’m not opposed to Dunn except A50 said he could also be mason right? So if he changes his mind on that I’ll consider it. Mastina sounds townie but RR could still be wifomming like A50 said and that #1 House tr gives me the heebie jeebies.