Mini 2250: Role-A-Pair Mafia (Game Over)

[Pentagon Shape]

Let's get pairing! I will start.

PAIR: Circle Shape

, one of my favourite shapes.

How can you pair before anyone else has even posted?

[Pentagon Shape]

I have townpings from Circle and mild scumvibes off Purple's entrance.

I am looking for a partner with a great taste in music and also hopefully very active.

Must like long walks and have a great sense of humor.

Also preferably of town alignment because I don't need to be pocketed in a PT that would not be fun.

I feel like I’m on OkCupid or something.

[Pentagon Shape]

Only one I’m currently worried about is purple and diamond is currently unreadable.

[Pentagon Shape]

Why is red mafia?

fos on players for contrived reasons ("TMI on roleblocker", "LAMIST")

blatant TMI read on pentagon

Yeah I found that interesting since I haven’t really done anything.

[Pentagon Shape]

Why is red mafia?

fos on players for contrived reasons ("TMI on roleblocker", "LAMIST")

blatant TMI read on pentagon

Yeah I found that interesting since I haven’t really done anything.

Pair: Circle

I found who I want as my partner.

Red definitely has chutzpah, I’ll give them that. lol

[Pentagon Shape]

Red definitely has chutzpah, I’ll give them that. lol

Not sure what that means lol.

guts
You want to pair with a slot that scumreads you.

[Pentagon Shape]

So far liking circle, arrow, blue, orange

Suspicious of purple, star, red

[Pentagon Shape]

Red is still the scummiest. I might be wrong on purple. What do people make of Star wanting to be left out?

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I don't think that's how a delayer works.

I also think it'd be more informative & exciting for us to eliminate the unpaired player.

I do like the way you think about this and think it's more likely to come from town.

If pairs aren’t loverized I think that’s only a good idea if the unpaired slot is the scummiest. If not, that could be suboptimal.

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?

The solution here is to either treat a Delay as a scum claim from the Delayer, or just vote out the Delayer. That's why I volunteered, because if I ultimately end up getting scum read then you can just vote me out, and if I'm town read but a Delay happens then you would know I'm scum.

Best case scenario however is that today we find at least one scum that is a Shape, make them go solo, and then vote them out to get rid of scum and the Delayer at the same time.

I’m onboard with that, unfortunately the slot I currently feel the worst about is a color. I should probably review diamond or heart again.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I know it isn’t me and unless I’m wrongly reading circle and arrow and it isn’t star, then it would have to be between heart and diamond, assuming only one scum in shapes?

But with one extra power, it would seem likely at least one.

I really don’t have a read on either but based soloey by PoE, scum is probably likely in at least one. Red looks the worst from the colors with my liking yellow, orange, blue and maybe purple?

Have no idea on green yet but slots that haven’t impressed me yet are: red, heart, green, diamond.

[Pentagon Shape]

I'll put a table of observations so you can get into my perspective.

Observations
Player	Observation
Color Red	Is a nullread to me. 39 feels like genuine concern. I
Color Orange	Is a townread for me. Reaction in 23 feels genuine and Town. 135 feels like Town.
Color Yellow	Is highest townread for me. Entrance in 20 feels reasonable. Reaction in 21 feels genuine and Town. 110 feels like Town and almost reminiscient of somebody who I admire.
Color Green	Is a townread for me. Entrance in 9 feels like Town trying to start a conversation. Reaction in 11 to me feels like Town.
Color Blue	Is a townread for me. Reaction in 15 of my entrance feels Town to me.
Arrow Shape	Is a townread for me. Arrow's questioning of me in 95 feels like Town trying to solve the game.
Circle Shape	Is a townread for me. See 12. Reaction to my entrance feels natural. 128 feels like Town who is trying to solve the game.
Diamond Shape	Is currently a null read for me. Is doing things which could come frpm Town but I'm finding it hard to read them. See 42 to get what I mean.
Heart Shape	Is a null read for me. Isn't doing anything Alignment Indicative.
Pentagon Shape	34 and 36 seem like a Town reaction towards my entrance. I find 142 something Town could be concerned about.
Star Shape	Is a townread for me. See 92, 99 and 102 for my reasoning behind townreading him. See 141 as aditional reasoning for why Star is Town to me.
Triangle Shape	Posted nothing so far. I'll keep them as a null read until they start posting.

Oh so maybe it’s triangle if they’re avoiding the game?

[Pentagon Shape]

Purple just became my #1 townread.

[Pentagon Shape]

pair red

changed my mind

Diamond should probably be left out.

[Pentagon Shape]

Ruls don't say colr + shap.
Ruls just say PAIR.

powr + modifir = pair.
Mayb shap+shap is valid 2.

possible dumbbell. or faikeslip?

Because I asked the mod about this yesterday.

[Pentagon Shape]

Am stonk shap.
am STROKEST shap.

Star is a sus shap.

Plurp is best colr
Orang also a good.

the fuck is this?

[Pentagon Shape]

ur iso dosn't hav ne qustins 4 mod.

i smll scumz.

If this is to me, I didn’t ask in thread obviously. And you’re shading me for saying I asked the mod, pretty much.

Maybe it’s you then? I just really trust red’s opinions.

[Pentagon Shape]

da fuq is you?

Don b rude.

also dint c.

Post 158 nuff said. lol

[Pentagon Shape]

158 iz me.
not u.

u slippy scumz.
ask mod cnt b vrifid.
no pts 4 u.

I know 158 is you.

I never claimed it could, so why do you continue to shade me for something I didn’t do?

[Pentagon Shape]

So far liking circle, arrow, blue, orange

Suspicious of purple, star, red

Oh I agree. On Red. Blue is definitely a townread for me as well as Arrow and Green.

No red is locktown for me now.

[Pentagon Shape]

I appreciate the effort but there's like no scum reads and it feels kind of robotic almost in the way he is town-reading people for doing fairly minor things.

Also if you townread people who took issue with your entrance, did you make your entrance deliberately scummy on purpose? I'm confused about your thought process there.

I was trying to see how people react to lurking and other obvious scumtells. I dod have a scumlean which became a null read. To be fair, you can see 111 for my one ephemeral scumlean. I immediately ended up rereading and found nothing scummy and thus lost my scumread.

Also I still nullread Triangle. Triangle does seem to be deliberately writing in a way which I find unreadable. (That being said, this could be a playstyle thing.)

Triangle gives me tstbs vibes but could be, just seems too godawful to be scum, since scum usually at least try to come up with decent reads but if noob scum, then obviously the jury would still be out on that.

[Pentagon Shape]

158 iz me.
not u.

u slippy scumz.
ask mod cnt b vrifid.
no pts 4 u.

I know 158 is you.

I never claimed it could, so why do you continue to shade me for something I didn’t do?

so u admt u ddnt ask mod?

slppy slde tme!

I did ask the mod Sherlock just not in thread but nice try.

[Pentagon Shape]

0/10 no hexagon

unpair

[Pentagon Shape]

Why do you want to pair with me?

I'm not necessarily against it I was clearing the circle pair of my predecessor

I can’t explain but read the game and I think it should become obvious why I did a complete 180 on your slot.

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

I think this post pretty much never comes from scum.

[Pentagon Shape]

So far liking circle, arrow, blue, orange

Suspicious of purple, star, red

Okay scratch that previous negation. Why is Red suspicious for you?

I flipped my read on red, I know think they’re town and I’ve explained why.

[Pentagon Shape]

Pntagn alws bad hre.
trd usng me as ezkill.

we cnt vrify ne modQs clm. Ony clmd modQ aftr cll out.

ezpz.

"prgssn" mns i hv 2 stp txtspk... duck.

When you speak English and actually stop misrepping my posts, let me know.

[Pentagon Shape]

So far liking circle, arrow, blue, orange

Suspicious of purple, star, red

Okay scratch that previous negation. Why is Red suspicious for you?

Didn't Pentagon answer that in 178?

That was not an answer, merely a digression from the original stance. I still want an explanation of what factored into the original stance.

Oh, I see. I would like an explanation too. Nobody can ever be locktown unless proven.

I already answered but I’ll requote it again.

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

I think this post pretty much never comes from scum.

Orange, THIS post.

[Pentagon Shape]

I mean Purple.

[Pentagon Shape]

If Circle agrees, that leaves Heart, Pentagon, and Star, as my candidates for pairing. However, I feel that Pentagon would probably try to go with Red (who they have as locktown). Star wants to stick to his plan. Heart would be my backup pair if Star sticks to his plan.

I agree on shapes, less sure on heart but they sound fine. Wrt colors I like red, purple, orange, yellow, maybe blue?

[Pentagon Shape]

Yup, Pntagn, star.

pentagon + star = pentagram.

pntagrm = EVVVVIILLL

nxt.

Yes, me and star are very clearly Satan worshippers. I find you extremely entertaining. lol

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum.

They’re obviously trolling with that. lol

[Pentagon Shape]

Can someone go over why purple seems to be a consensus townread, I've seen a lot of "purple is town" but I haven't seen why. I have seen a lot of effort but that isn't completely AI.

As far as I can tell Triangle this game has made basically one point which is a really odd roundabout TMI accusation on penta.

Still don't really understand Penta's 180 on me, but others seem to believe the logic holds and its right so I guess it can be left be.

That post I’ve now quoted twice from your predecessor, is why.

[Pentagon Shape]

Yup, Pntagn, star.

pentagon + star = pentagram.

pntagrm = EVVVVIILLL

nxt.

Yes, me and star are very clearly Satan worshippers. I find you extremely entertaining. lol

I hope Triangle's joking though. I find their reasoining too idiosyncratic to be taken seriously.

How are you even questioning this? lol

[Pentagon Shape]

Way too early readlist:


TR: Circle Arrow Yellow Orange Pentagon
TL: Red Triangle
Null: Heart Green
SR: Purple Star Diamond

I want to be wrong on Purple, I think I might be somewhat confbiased against him but most people think he's town so I don't think it will matter much.

I'd actually like pairing with Diamond despite thinking he's suspicious because he sounds like a fun guy and I have a weakness for bad boys.

Why is Triangle a tl for you?

[Pentagon Shape]

I'd say there is rarely a case where scum doesn't bus their partners, maybe not to the point of elimination but somewhat at least.

Reading through ISOs, not impressed with orange's posts, Purple/Penta's is fine enough that I'd prefer them alive at EoD.



As for the last post of my predessor, I probably wouldn't consider it a towntell if it was on another person, especially if I was already scumreading them but that's probably just playstyle difference.

I can flip my reads on a dime if a slot towntells or scumtells and I believe your predecessor towntold with their last post.

[Pentagon Shape]

Green ISo is lackluster
Blue seems very transparent, which is hard for scum to fake without scumtelling.

Because I've seen tthis come up a few times I'll leave this here.

2) Players will receive a role PM before the game starts informing them only of their alignment, win condition, and whether they are a Modifier or Power. There are six Modifiers (Colors) and seven Powers (Shapes) in the game. Flavor is random and unrelated to role content. They will receive their account names and passwords at this point.

The colors/ shapes that correspond to each ability would be randed after setup generation. So don't pull from the color/ shape any speculation of abilities.

I agree with you, I also like blue.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is circle paired yet?

I don't think so.

I would be extremely sad if circle wasn’t paired.

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum.

jsyk, i actully wsnt. i fnd bth sus++.
pntagm ws a jk & i fnd it fnny

also, lv tht pnta ignrd my actul cll out.

There’s literally nothing for me to ignore.

[Pentagon Shape]

Not sure how I feel about Star's one-minded attack on blue.

I can't decide either. Also, it feels like he's on an agenda. (But then, that's just vibes.)

Yeah, I don’t care for it either particularly since I don’t agree with the reasoning for it. The read just seems way too strong and the basis for it doesn’t really fit with the stance. Both stances, wanting to be left unpaired and now this, leave me concerned.

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately. Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

I don’t understand what you see is the connection between blue and diamond.

[Pentagon Shape]

The read on Orange is kind of silly because Orange has been attacking me for a while and I'm supposed to be Star's biggest scumread ?

I don’t understand it but I can see a possible scum motivation for pushing on so many colors because only one slot - a shape slot obviously is going to be left out and based off of what Star was saying they wanted to yeet Diamond if you flipped scum but that would obviously imply that Star or Triangle is getting yeeted today, so I just find that leap extremely odd.

[Pentagon Shape]

Orange should pair with circle.

So far we have you/Yellow
Heart/Purple
me/Red
so if Circle pairs with orange

then Diamond/blue maybe?
If we leave out Star, I don’t envy who gets a PT with Triangle. lol

[Pentagon Shape]

I think I'm focused way too much on trying to figure out Blue and not enough on sorting the shapes. Refocusing as I type.

re:Blue - her entrance with the early reads made me think either Blue is way better than I am, or those reads are really premature. 116 suggests the latter. Her catch-up is largely a bunch of likes/dislikes with no context (for example, what does Blue see in 113 that I don't?). And the "way too early readlist" didn't feel too early, compared to their very early reads.

re:Shapes - I don't feel equal to the task of being the one to share a PT with Triangle's plaintext messages and trying to sort that slot. I can probably count on one hand the number of text messages I have sent in my life, so that's a tough gimmick for me to parse through. As for the rest, I'm a bit nervous about Star trying to go for the Delayer. And, like, if Star is scum, we really can't stop them from getting the delayer, right? If the Delay lands on something like a doc or a jailkeeper, it would be pretty difficult to prove that the delayer was holstered if we leave the unpaired slot alive. And also, Star hasn't really posted much except to talk about or defend that plan. I can support Purple+Heart. I think I would be ok with pairing with Diamond (or Circle, but I think someone more widely townread would make a better pair with Circle).

This post about wanting Circle paired with someone more widely tr seems fine. I’m glad we only have to really try to sort the shapes for today, primarily Star, Diamond, Triangle.

[Pentagon Shape]

Pairs:

Purple-Heart
Yellow-Arrow
Red-pentagon.

I do not feel great about heart. I can't really tell yet.
Red is kinda up and down for me. Currently up.
Pentagon is kind of eh.


Murder pool:
Diamond.
Star.
Green.

It's unfortunate that blue did not pair with pentagon.

Why?

Who would you have preferred Red pair with then?

[Pentagon Shape]

It’s a really tough call trying to figure out which one I like least from Diamond/Star. Because they ping me for entirely different reasons.

Diamond isn’t doing much outside of AtE and Star is pretty much doing the exact opposite. Tone-wise I probably like Star slightly better but meh.

I feel pretty good about all of the paired shapes + Circle and I’m quite happy with my pairing since I still feel really good about red.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

im going to call purple town and assume they get yeeted at some point at some point anyway for being weird

so i can say i told you so

No. As long as Purple remains a townread for me I'll fight tooth and nail to keep him alive.

Red is still the scummiest. I might be wrong on purple. What do people make of Star wanting to be left out?

I feel like Red is town, as well as Purple. More confident on Purple. I want to see Star post about other things before forming a read there.

i dont think purity of pairings is even essential given the lack of loverization and may just lead to obvtown pairs getting offed

i may be happiest pairing with a null read who i can try to sort in private

thats my last thought for the night

Pairing with scum means that they can mess with your role usage. Either side dying means the role stops working.

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?

I was wrong about this, and do not eel as I did before.

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I don't think that's how a delayer works.

I also think it'd be more informative & exciting for us to eliminate the unpaired player.

I do like the way you think about this and think it's more likely to come from town.

If pairs aren’t loverized I think that’s only a good idea if the unpaired slot is the scummiest. If not, that could be suboptimal.

I think we should try to leave scum unpaired, and then eliminate the unpaired player, that way all the abilities can be used N1.

Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

I was talking about 114. I was worried that it would give away that I've never played outside of the Newbie and Normal Queues.

I would not have thought that. You seemed more suave in a way that meant you had a lot of experience in many areas of the site. This probably actually makes me feel better about you, you probably have less ability to dupe me.

I think I agree with Arrow here, all of these posts seem pretty protown which makes me seriously question why Star is referring to them as “null-scum”.

[Pentagon Shape]

Wait, have you gone up to the part when I scumlean Star for his attacks on Blue and Diamond?

And Star's read on Orange feels off to me. I can't explain why. It's probably because I

can't

view anything from Orange as coming from

scum

.

Yeah but dislike the Orange read the most. I feel bad for Orange now because they either get paired with a slot I’m iffy about or a possible headache. I don’t envy their position here.

[Pentagon Shape]

i wnt cnsdr nonanon psts or reacts.

reds 313 hd no react from ne1, yet is v smilar 2 my ntry.

pnta sddenly no cmmt or "i spke 2 mod 2 vrify"

buddiez.

i find your posts unreadable and if you’re going to call me scum every other post, I will not be commenting on that because an inexplicable confibias, is something I can’t in good faith engage with.

[Pentagon Shape]

huh i msred.

meh. slv nt chngd.

prv psts r scmmy. Crrnt psts nt bettr.

jst ignrin nonanon psts.

Can you please stop with the text speak. It makes your posts extremely frustrating to read. If this is about me, what don’t you like about my posts?

[Pentagon Shape]

red hs nt sat wll wi me at all thru ths phse.

Pntas intratns wi me were bd. Trd to loop arnd my psts & ddge.

Pnta slms Red. But, is paird. Tht i rd, it ddn't seem rght.

I switched my read on red because of their predecessor’s post. What is your opinion of that post?

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

@Triangle

[Pentagon Shape]

ovrall feel is off.

Pnta ddnt try 2 intract wi me v well. Yes its a wll, its scalble. Loop argumnt & msdrctin ws usd agnst me.

TmRd ws b4 tht intrctin.

I’m trying now despite the text speak giving me a headache.

I’ve also changed my read on you if you haven’t noticed?

I think you should be paired because I like you better than either Star or Diamond. Why haven’t you commented on that?

[Pentagon Shape]

I think I would trust a Diamond/Orange pair more than I would trust some of the other pairs that have already formed.

I prefer Orange/Triangle.


Also don’t like this post from Green. What is so trustworthy about Diamond?

[Pentagon Shape]

Also Green, if you trust Diamond so much, why don’t you pair with them?

Shapes

Pentagon
Circle/Arrow
Heart/Triangle
————
Diamond/Star

Colors

Red/Blue/Purple/Orange
———
Green

So I guess I’m mindmelding with Arrow because I dislike the same three slots.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is anyone else noticing that Star, Green and Diamond are all tunneling on Blue?

[Pentagon Shape]

Spoiler:

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3.

Which of my early reads feel most off to you?

I am always happy to discuss.

I don't think I am so fantastic as to be right this early in the game and course correction is always better done early.

I have townpings from Circle and mild scumvibes off Purple's entrance.

I am looking for a partner with a great taste in music and also hopefully very active.

Must like long walks and have a great sense of humor.

Also preferably of town alignment because I don't need to be pocketed in a PT that would not be fun.

Town ping on Circle seems like TMI when all they did at that point was post a song and offer mech talk, yet you've shaded me for mech talk.

Read on Purple feels very quick and one-dimensional, and you just stick to this read going forward no matter what Purple says or does afterwards.

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I don't think that's how a delayer works.

I also think it'd be more informative & exciting for us to eliminate the unpaired player.

I do like the way you think about this and think it's more likely to come from town.

Subtly pushing for a shape to be the default elim knowing you'll be safe if people agree.

And again town reading somebody for mech talk.

I'm almost embarrassed to say I townread 24

You town read a screenshot...

Diamond ends up in your scum reads soon after anyway though with zero progression.

Like Diamond 42

Diamond what type of music do you like?

This is everything else in your ISO pertaining to Diamond until you scum read them.

I appreciate the effort but there's like no scum reads and it feels kind of robotic almost in the way he is town-reading people for doing fairly minor things.

Also if you townread people who took issue with your entrance, did you make your entrance deliberately scummy on purpose? I'm confused about your thought process there.

This seems more like you're trying to justify your scum read rather than just make an honest read on Purple.

Way too early readlist:


TR: Circle Arrow Yellow Orange Pentagon
TL: Red Triangle
Null: Heart Green
SR: Purple Star Diamond

I want to be wrong on Purple, I think I might be somewhat confbiased against him but most people think he's town so I don't think it will matter much.

I'd actually like pairing with Diamond despite thinking he's suspicious because he sounds like a fun guy and I have a weakness for bad boys.

Your suspicion on Diamond comes out of nowhere here. Going back to Ro3, you put three players in your scum reads, and it is the only read group to have three players in it. Regardless of the validity of your reads, Ro3 is a fairly consistent general scum tell and I think it points to Diamond being your scum buddy.

It looks to me like you tried to spin a positive vibe on Diamond, but when very few people bought it and Diamond proceeded to flail, you decided to put them in your scum reads in case town decides to elim them. However, you because you don't have a progression from a town read to a scum read, it makes it look like a fake read.

Star

Spoiler:

I think I'm focused way too much on trying to figure out Blue and not enough on sorting the shapes. Refocusing as I type.

Mmm while I am somewhat flattered by the attention, why are you so interested in figuring me out ?

Your posts just kind of stick out, so as I'm trying to solve they just draw my attention? Like, they just seem weird to me coming from a town POV.

Also:

I've caught up.

Blue seems townie. They're a bit artificial, but I don't find it being used to much advantage other than being inoffensive to reduce scum reads/suspicion.

They don't feel like passive scum to me, due to some of their suggestions.

What does this even mean? Like, if you think it's artificial, why do you think they are being artificial, and why is that townie?

Green

Spoiler:

- I like Green from the back and forth with Arrow on pages 3/4, the turnaround onto Arrow in 53 is nice. It's a small 'trap' of sorts but it doesn't feel like one laid to frame someone poorly but just... feel out their thought processes. Arrow doesn't come across as good but not bad, either.

- ...actually don't like Arrow's snarkiness, unsure if this is a playstyle/personality thing but 72 and 82 don't do it for me. Also in response to Circle (who I think is... fine, on page 4), 79 and 80 feel like a small, weird sequence. Of picking at Circle for not giving reasons and conceding what they can and then like... besting them in 80? I don't think this holds a lot of weight but it's the feeling I get: "You didn't give reasons, here's my reason on someone else." I dunno. They're not connected posts really but this popped into mind and I like rambling.

- Pretty sure this has been said to some degree but Purple is probably down, weird entry but they feel very... earnest in their replies in a way that I don't think scum can easily fake. The content itself doesn't seem sound but the spirit matters.

- Blue doesn't feel Good rereading quoted entrance in 15 from 109. It's early game reasoning but it feels very... the thing you throw out early game because it looks a little nice and is easiest to fake early on, these small things.

- I feel like I am shrivelling up so trying to speed this up. Actually like 129 from Arrow and don't like it which is like okay, don't like how they're positioning themselves as like, aligned with Circle who I feel is... more overtly liked by everyone. Past biases aside could just be me tunneling early, Purple take is good.

- 133 is so true.

- I'm a little irritable over being POE'd with like, barely any posts but 143 feels like the sort of assumption town likes to play around with (X amount of scum in one Shapes/Colors) more than scum does because it's really silly and I think has been randomized in all dance games.

- Big list of reads, curious if Purple has any scumreads.

- Meh on 157.

+ Reply to Star Shape

Star feels a bit like pandering for town reads too

Not really, considering it's already been suggested that we lim the lone shape anyway.

It's weird playing a game with no RVS...

Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.

And this one as well, perhaps a bit more. Star, why make this sort of post to volunteer if you're going to undercut it immediately with a preference? It comes across a bit LAMIST-y to me.

Because the main attraction of this game is the anonymity and the pairing. I didn't sign up for this game just to go solo and not use my night actions. However I see an easy way to deal with the lone shape Delayer dilemma and have no problem volunteering if that helps town reach our win con more easily.

LAMIST itself doesn't really mean anything to me. If the plan is to lim the solo shape and you think I'm scum purposely volunteering to put myself in a situation that likely gets me voted out, then I suppose I resolve myself here, don't I?

I don't think that we're deadset on actually killing the person who is left out yet even though it's bandied around so this reply doesn't really mean anything to me either? Like it's by no means concrete so you can just... say things this early and then they don't happen later. Basically we impasse.

Diamond

Okay, Star is actually tunneling the most but both Green and to a lesser extent Diamond are sussing them. Also, Green and Diamond seem to tr each other and Green liking Diamond better than some already formed pairs is strange.

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

@Triangle

Ths is a nonanon pst.
ignrd.

So what? Why ignore it?

[Pentagon Shape]

parin isnt a prity rn 4 me. if i gt delayer thn u all kno my trgt. RdPenta.

ur rd on me dsnt bthr me ethr.

u engged me w/ msdrctn. u saw LHF & went koolaid.gif
i hv no rsn 2 blve ud tlk 2 me in gd faith

Can you please get off this ridiculous tunnel and actually read the game?

Why don’t you? Why do you think I prefer you being paired to either Diamond or Star?

Why would I prefer you being paired over Diamond/Star then? Why would scum!me change my read on you? It’s blatantly obvious I don’t like Diamond or Star because I don’t townread them. And now Green apparently is townreading Diamond over obviously townier slots.

I don’t think you’re scum because you are pretty much the only one pushing me/red, while there are three slots pushing Blue. What does that say to you?

[Pentagon Shape]

reasons.

It’s not against the rules to have an opinion on that post. If the mod allows it, you shouldn’t ignore it.

[Pentagon Shape]

im hrdly pshing.
ppl ask 4 reads.
i gv reads.

i hv read the gm. i stll dnt lke u.

blu is twn.

u wnt me paird bcoz u kno id dlay u. smplz.

No because I don’t think you’re scum.

Exactly, we both like blue and the three slots I like least are pushing them. That ought to tell you something.

[Pentagon Shape]

im hrdly pshing.
ppl ask 4 reads.
i gv reads.

i hv read the gm. i stll dnt lke u.
blu is twn.

u wnt me paird bcoz u kno id dlay u. smplz.

At least you and Pentagon agree on one thing.

It’s really frustrating that Triangle can’t see past they’re confibias on me to see how suspicious it is that Star/Green/Diamond are all pushing Blue. That screams miselimbait to me.

At this point, I’m leaning to not wanting Star paired but I won’t be upset if it’s Diamond.

If Triangle refuses to pair with Orange, I still want one of Star/Diamond to be lim. Whichever one Orange doesn’t pair with probably.

I don’t think Triangle should be left out either way.

[Pentagon Shape]

Wait, if Green likes Diamond so much and Diamond TRs Green, why don't they pair with each other?

Yeah, that’s my question as well.

Unless Green also TRs Orange and wants his highest TRs to be paired with each other.

Well that baffles me because I don’t understand how Diamond is anyone’s highest townread?

[Pentagon Shape]

ur iso dosn't hav ne qustins 4 mod.

i smll scumz.

If this is to me, I didn’t ask in thread obviously. And you’re shading me for saying I asked the mod, pretty much.

Maybe it’s you then? I just really trust red’s opinions.

I meant both that I thought red’s predecessor was being genuine and that they might have possibly been right about the rb thing but on reread, it think it’s also possible he misunderstood that.

@Orange

[Pentagon Shape]

Weekends are busy and suck.

Skimmed to catch up some, taking back the feelings on Blue.

Feel good to some degree about Purple/Arrow/Circle/Blue as top people, reconsidering on Triangle some but it's 1) hard to imagine scum just tunnel vision while also handicapping themselves with a gimmick that has gained them no favors and 2) still feels like bellyaching about gimmick comes from scum somewhere. The Pentagon read is probably wrong at this point (they seem very frustrated that Triangle isn't engaging with them but isn't turning that into a push when I think they could get away with it at this point in time, they just want to actually engage and be read correctly and that is +town). Amenable to their Red read though. So @ 505, T/T (and thanks for the question I know I was a whiny baby earlier).

I'm also amenable to either color pairing... but at this point I don't think people want to pair with Triangle and Star is adamant about getting the Delay so if they want to sort that out between themselves they probably should.

What is your read on Star?

[Pentagon Shape]

Did you ever get to me on why you thought Red was suspicious initially, Pentagon?

I considered quoting the posts I initially disliked but on reread I don’t view them that way anymore, so I don’t understand how that would be useful?

I would much prefer to focus on my current reads since I consider those to be more relevant.

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately.

Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

@Orange, thoughts on this, particularly the bolded?

[Pentagon Shape]

Pntagn alws bad hre.
trd usng me as ezkill.

we cnt vrify ne modQs clm. Ony clmd modQ aftr cll out.

ezpz.

"prgssn" mns i hv 2 stp txtspk... duck.

When you speak English and actually stop misrepping my posts, let me know.

I do not like this. I'm already slightly favoring triangle's position in the clash between you two specifically (I do not place much weight in the rest of the solve), and you telling them to talk normal this way feels like a shady discredit of their position. Someone also recently mentioned people complaining about the gimmick might be scum and this feels like it might be that.

Why is that a “shady discredit”? I find reading textspeak gives me a headache. How is that scummy? Yes, Diamond but that doesn’t make it true and it definitely doesn’t make it true for me.

[Pentagon Shape]

I think Pentagon is suspicious though. Depending on whether my feelings there get more definitive, I would perhaps suggest to eliminate Pentagon today, but that would also depend on if the person left out feels like they might be scum.

Okay, just lost my tr on you. First you say you don’t want Triangle to delay me/red, then you want to elim me. How does that make any sense? This progression is seriously whack.

Triangle’s read on me has at least been consistent albeit wrong but you object to Triangle delaying me to wanting me dead?

Is this making sense to anyone because it’s certainly not to me.

[Pentagon Shape]

Did you ever get to me on why you thought Red was suspicious initially, Pentagon?

I considered quoting the posts I initially disliked but on reread I don’t view them that way anymore, so I don’t understand how that would be useful?

I would much prefer to focus on my current reads since I consider those to be more relevant.

I believe there's an article on the wiki that talks about how scum will throw out poorly thought out reads early and they can be caught on those. Your early Red suspicion feels a bit like that here.

Well I’m not scum, therefore I obviously wasn’t doing that. If I’m scum here I don’t do this kind of 180 and I’m also not thrilled how you’re selective focused on an early read that I no longer agree with and ignoring my current reads.

[Pentagon Shape]

I think Pentagon is suspicious though. Depending on whether my feelings there get more definitive, I would perhaps suggest to eliminate Pentagon today, but that would also depend on if the person left out feels like they might be scum.

Okay, just lost my tr on you. First you say you don’t want Triangle to delay me/red, then you want to elim me. How does that make any sense? This progression is seriously whack.

Triangle’s read on me has at least been consistent albeit wrong but you object to Triangle delaying me to wanting me dead?

Is this making sense to anyone because it’s certainly not to me.

It was Purple who didn't want you delayed. I merely asked if that was necessarily a bad thing given I only town read half of your pair currently.

Literally you and Triangle are the only two slots who keep mentioning this. So what is even your point then? You both want me delayed and dead?

I’m just not getting great vibes from this. I think Triangle seems sincere but I’m no longer sure about you.

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately.

Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

@Orange, thoughts on this, particularly the bolded?

Why did you ask red about their suspicions on you but not address this?

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately.

Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

@Orange, thoughts on this, particularly the bolded?

Why did you ask red about their suspicions on you but not address this?

Disregard, I see you just answered this.

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately. Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

I was going to get to this anyway, so Pentagon badgering me about it is rather pointless, in fact it reads a bit like trying to force the pivot on me to look more justified. Anyway, to Star, I must ask why you make such a point of my town read quantity when I was actually keenly aware of it myself? As for my progression on Purple, I feel like I just saw the effort and it looked genuine and I marked it as townie. I think Purple has also continued to show similar desire to solve. So the initial read shift was probably lazy of me but I do not feel wrong in doing it.

I really hate this post, it’s perfectly fine for you to shade me for entirely nia things and want me dead but when I ask you a perfectly valid question, I’m somehow “badgering” you and “forcing a pivot on you”? Yeah, no.

[Pentagon Shape]

I find it really fascinating Orange how I’m somehow “badgering” you and “pivoting” on you for pointing out the fact that you questioned red on their read of you but seem pretty disinterested in Star’s. What’s even curiouser is how much more charible you’re being to Star’s calling you “nullscum”. Why is that?

[Pentagon Shape]

Just finished catching up. So far I like Arrow, Circle, Heart, and Pentagon for town shapes. I was null on Heart for a bit, but their recent posts don't feel panicked about a potential PoE closing in on them, which is +town.

Diamond's defeatist attitude wrt perceived lack of interaction is very meh to me, several people myself included have given him content to work with but he hasn't responded to much. It also seems odd that he's acting like he's going to have to go solo since no one is poking at him too much, even though he's guaranteed to pair up with a color. Also don't like Triangle's gimmick the longer the game goes on, since my eyes tend to glaze over when reading their posts and that may just be the point. It seems like borderline encrypted text, intentionally making their posts hard to read just seems anti-town.

For colors, Green, Purple, Red, and Yellow all feel pretty townie to me.

Not really liking Blue's posts, early reads felt off and her scum reads ping me with Ro3. If Blue ever flips scum I'd want to get Diamond next immediately.

Orange meanwhile is null scum for me, mainly just vibes since a lot of early posts were just "I like this/this seems townie" without giving a reason, plus the early shade on Purple that didn't go anywhere and just faded once he started towning it up. It got weird because Orange seemed to be so impressed by Purple's town read on me that she went from believing Purple was fishy to hard town reading him.

@Orange, thoughts on this, particularly the bolded?

Why did you ask red about their suspicions on you but not address this?

Disregard, I see you just answered this.

No, actually Orange has yet to respond to this but it’s apparently scum indicative to Orange to be asked to respond to a valid question. It’s shady if they don’t like my responses but I’m badgering and pivoting in the converse.

[Pentagon Shape]

Penta,

I think you're town, please calm down a bit - being overly defensive with Orange isn't really great for the thread and doesn't paint you in a good light.

If you read Orange's posts - she's catching up and hasn't really gotten to that part yet where Star null-SRs her.

Also not all players actually care that much about suspicion thrown their way - I don't think Orange is that type of player who cares as much about how she is viewed.

I quoted that post. I found it to be hypocritical that she was shading me for asking a valid question. If it was a catchup then maybe I’m wrong? I also didn’t care for someone said people griping about the textspeak are scum and that somehow makes me suspicious when several other people have also found that to be frustrating. And the person who made that comment isn’t even scumreading me, so if I discount the catchup part, Orange’s recent posts look really bad to me but if I don’t then maybe I’m offbase?

I don’t like it when I get pushed for shitty reasons and that’s how it looked to me but if you’re right, I’ll reacess. I’m still not imressed with her recent posts regardless. I’m not entirely sure it was a good faith read.

[Pentagon Shape]

I find it really fascinating Orange how I’m somehow “badgering” you and “pivoting” on you for pointing out the fact that you questioned red on their read of you but seem pretty disinterested in Star’s. What’s even curiouser is how much more charible you’re being to Star’s calling you “nullscum”. Why is that?

Perhaps it's because I had yet to get to that post in my reading? As for the part about pivoting, what I'm trying to say is it felt like you wanted to make it look like you had more reason to flip your read than just my interactions with you, so you tried to make it look like I was being inconsistent in my approach to things when I simply had not gotten to addressing Star's suspicion because I'm trying to approach this from a primarily linear fashion. I also don't believe my approach to Star is more charitable than my approach to Red. Is it more charitable than my approach to you, sure, but you are basically trying to intimidate me with your read change on me. Well, it's not going to work.

I’m not trying to intimidate you or anyone. It just read like a shitpush on me pretty much and I don’t respond well to that. It read like you were trying to scumcase me rarher than trying to honestly sort me. If I misunconstrued your intention then I apologize but I won’t aplogize for thinking your reasoning was surface level and bad.

[Pentagon Shape]

So, I am obviously wrong about my comment about your response to Star’s question then, so noted and withdrawn. I didn’t realize that you were doing a catchup, so I made incorrect assumptions on that.

[Pentagon Shape]

Regarding the textspeak comment, I think the way you handled it is the scummy part, not you having trouble in the first place. I think the issue comes down to cognitive load. Scum already have to parse through people's thoughts to ascertain threats, gimmicks only make that task harder. As such they'd be more likely to try to quash such behaviors. Also, who are these others who have expressed this issue, and where have they done so? This is not something I am picking and choosing about so if one of my TRs expressed similar thoughts, I would re-assess this point.

I don’t know who your trs are but I know several people have addressed this. If you ISO everyone, trust me you will find that I am correct about that, so since you’re still catching up, I’m sure you will find the evidence that will cause you to reacess.

I also strongly disagree with you on this. What is remotely scummy about wanting a slot to be more readable? And once you finish with your catchup, you’ll see that I am practically pleading with Triangle to be more readable. I can only view that as a good thing. I am also currently tl on them which is clearly not pushing them, which was what I think you were accusing me of? So maybe I over reacted then? It’s definitely possible.

Both Triangle and me are mindmelding on Blue so really don’t care for Star’s push there, so I really would like to know what people who have yet to express an opinion on that think.

I will be extremely surprised if your read doesn’t change on me once you’ve finished your catchup.

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum.

They’re obviously trolling with that. lol

I still dislike your way of interacting here. It comes off as you trying to simply brush away the suspicion. It would be better looking if you were to try and inquire with Triangle what their actual problems with you were. Because the main meat of it seems to be they think you are trying to shade and discredit them.

They expressed scumreads on me and Star for our names and avatar shapes, so why wouldn’t I think they were trolling with that? I read it as a joke, didn’t you?

[Pentagon Shape]

Anyway, I liked Diamond’s recent posts, so it was probably premature for me to have jumped to conclusions.

[Pentagon Shape]

That part reads as a joke, yes. But you seem to be acting as if the entire read is a joke, which I also saw was scummy on the wiki.

Wiki?

No, I considered the trolling to be specifically about that,

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but

avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum

.

They’re obviously trolling with

that

. lol

Again Orange I honestly don’t know what to make of you reading things into my posts which clearly aren’t there. I think it’s extremely obvious what I meant here.

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but

avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum

.

They’re obviously trolling with

that

. lol

Again Orange I honestly don’t know what to make of you reading things into my posts which clearly aren’t there. I think it’s extremely obvious what I meant here.

Okay, the issue was that I did not see you engaging with the actual reasoning Triangle had expressed against you, at least not as much as I saw content like this. The only actual attempts I can recall was in the initial interaction, which creates the image for me that you tried to talk down Triangle, didn't get very far, and then tried to disregard the push.

From what I understand they sr me for presumbly pushing them as lhf? I didn’t like them initially. Because I kept explaining and re-explaining my reasoning to them, like for example, I said I asked the mod a question. Then they immediately accuse me of lying about that to get towncred, when I never once ever claimed that I asked that question in the thread, So that question was about the pairing but maybe what pinged them the most was peehaps my reaction to them not knowing that, so based soloey off of that, I can understand they’d be suspicious of that but in my defence, I was sincerely trying to figure out if it was a genuine or fake slip because that sometimes does happen but I probably could have expressed that better.

[Pentagon Shape]

I wanna kill Pentagon now tbh. Circle's post on Pentagon is reasonable, but I actually do not think that their string of defensive posts was townie.
It's been awhile since I've seen a player basically say "how dare you scum read me, stop that" with multiple posts while pretending they aren't doing that.

That’s not scum indicative for me ever, at best it’s townie, at worst it’s nia. And yes, since I know I’m town and getting sr for dumb reasons, I will not be quiet about that.

[Pentagon Shape]

@mod, can you prod Star? It’s over 48 hrs now.

[Pentagon Shape]

I think I would trust a Diamond/Orange pair more than I would trust some of the other pairs that have already formed.

Who would you like to be paired with?

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel like I'd rather leave a town unpaired because even if delayer is anti-town, I'd rather have it in town's hands. I think a good strategy might be to never use it until 2 scum are dead?

I like this thinking but the obvious problem is how do we know? Perhaps scum will try to look townie to be left unpaired to get delayer?

The solution here is to either treat a Delay as a scum claim from the Delayer, or just vote out the Delayer. That's why I volunteered, because if I ultimately end up getting scum read then you can just vote me out, and if I'm town read but a Delay happens then you would know I'm scum.

Best case scenario however is that today we find at least one scum that is a Shape, make them go solo, and then vote them out to get rid of scum and the Delayer at the same time.

But you’re insisting on being the one to be unpaired?

[Pentagon Shape]

Pairing status 2:

No pending offered from unPaired players

Pairings:
Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle

UnPaired: Color Orange, Color Green, Diamond Shape, Star Shape, Triangle Shape

Day One Phase One ends in (expired on 2021-11-25 16:57:53)

We have five days left and five slots unpaired, I think that’s suboptimal. People need to decide soon before the timer runs out.

[Pentagon Shape]

Weekends are busy and suck.

Skimmed to catch up some, taking back the feelings on Blue.

Feel good to some degree about Purple/Arrow/Circle/Blue as top people, reconsidering on Triangle some but it's 1) hard to imagine scum just tunnel vision while also handicapping themselves with a gimmick that has gained them no favors and 2) still feels like bellyaching about gimmick comes from scum somewhere. The Pentagon read is probably wrong at this point (they seem very frustrated that Triangle isn't engaging with them but isn't turning that into a push when I think they could get away with it at this point in time, they just want to actually engage and be read correctly and that is +town). Amenable to their Red read though. So @ 505, T/T (and thanks for the question I know I was a whiny baby earlier).

I'm also amenable to either color pairing... but at this point I don't think people want to pair with Triangle and Star is adamant about getting the Delay so if they want to sort that out between themselves they probably should.

+1

This needs to happen, no way is it it protown for five slots to go unpaired.

@mod what happens if no more pairs form before deadline?

[Pentagon Shape]

@Star which shape do you want to leave out if we are using that as the elim?

I agree with an earlier sentiment that it would be between Diamond and Heart, and additionally Triangle for me. Snap reaction to Triangle finally posting is to choose them as the elim since their posts are just...bad. However, I can't rule out them just playing like LHF and want to see their progression in the coming days.

Star feels a bit like pandering for town reads too

Not really, considering it's already been suggested that we lim the lone shape anyway.

It's weird playing a game with no RVS...

Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.

And this one as well, perhaps a bit more. Star, why make this sort of post to volunteer if you're going to undercut it immediately with a preference? It comes across a bit LAMIST-y to me.

Because the main attraction of this game is the anonymity and the pairing. I didn't sign up for this game just to go solo and not use my night actions. However I see an easy way to deal with the lone shape Delayer dilemma and have no problem volunteering if that helps town reach our win con more easily.

LAMIST itself doesn't really mean anything to me. If the plan is to lim the solo shape and you think I'm scum purposely volunteering to put myself in a situation that likely gets me voted out, then I suppose I resolve myself here, don't I?

I don't think that we're deadset on actually killing the person who is left out yet even though it's bandied around so this reply doesn't really mean anything to me either? Like it's by no means concrete so you can just... say things this early and then they don't happen later. Basically we impasse.

I know this, that's exactly why I suggested it. :/

Having someone volunteer to go solo and state that they won't use the Delay makes this problem a lot simpler to deal with. If the solo shape isn't guaranteed to be eliminated, that will hang over the game if they're forced into the position instead of by choice. A shape who is essentially rejected by every color could be scum, which is bad for obvious reasons. But they could also be a disgruntled townie who feels hurt/wants to feel useful, and may use the Delay for emotional reasons. A volunteer circumvents all of that entirely.

The obvious problem with this is unpaired shape could obviously lie about this and still use delayer not to get limmed. I’m still extremely suspicious of you’re wanting to have control of delayer role.

[Pentagon Shape]

I should've waited and paired with Orange.
RIP.

Why “RIP”? Orange can still pair, there are still three unpaired shapes left.

[Pentagon Shape]

I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

[Pentagon Shape]

I realize that but they’re likely getting paired unless player apathy somehow prevents this. Star is overdue for a prod and proposals need to start because we’re nearing deadline.

[Pentagon Shape]

What are some good metrics?

Suspicious pushes for one, suspicious positioning, which is why I’m still the most suspicious of Star for both wanting delayer and their suspicious pushes.

[Pentagon Shape]

Star Shape has been prodded.

@mod what happens if no more pairs form before deadline?

* Any players who are not paired by the end of Phase One will be paired at the scum team's discretion in a special 24 hour phase (Phase One Point Five).

So guaranteed a town dies with this then.

[Pentagon Shape]

I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

Imagine injecting self-meta and then shading someone for questioning it.

???

Do you know what shading even means?

[Pentagon Shape]

Yep!

Gutread based upon game state. Scum paired off early, often, and soon to be dead.

I am confused how you can walk in with your pairing list like:


Town:
Triangle Shape

Could Go Either Way:
Diamond Shape
Star Shape

and then pair with Diamond in around five minutes without talking to the other two..

It's certainly very bold!


I do find your raw confidence kind of attractive so I'm going to suspend my doubt and disbelief for you.

It is interesting to have Triangle that high on one’s list yet not want to pair with them.

[Pentagon Shape]

Your face is all over the place.

Not sure how you get that when I've made my two scumreads immediately and extremely loudly clear but you do you Mr and or Mrs and or missing gender tag fog of war dweller.

Please tell me, that this isn’t going to devolve into “you’re rubber, I’m glue”.

[Pentagon Shape]

Get it together. You're embarrassing the scum team.

When you dislike both the original slot and the replace in, that’s never a good sign. I really wouldn’t be extremely shocked if they flipped red.

[Pentagon Shape]

It is interesting to have Triangle that high on one’s list yet not want to pair with them.

but then again

have you met Triangle?

Yeah I referred to them as a “headache” due to the txtspeak but I’d think it makes more sense to pair with a slot you at least townlean and they had Triangle very high up on their list.

[Pentagon Shape]

It's certainly very bold!

Probably because there's a gap the size of the marinas trench between red and everyone above them!

The sooner we pair up the sooner I can murder heart and then red!

Why on earth would Heart be first, if you proclaim such a gap to exist in your reads?

Yeah, good catch. Green has red as their top scumread but wants to kill Heart first, who’s not even close?

[Pentagon Shape]

also power + modifier corresponding to color + shape was incredibly obvious based on the rules and signup and didnt take asking the mod

the fact that triangle is continuing to push that argument is way way worse than using the info from a mainslip post and has me raising an eyebrow

a nw chllngr apprchs.

Are you seriously going to sr anyone who even remotely criticizes your play, regardless of the validity of their point? There is absolutely nothing remotely scummy about Circle’s post. You are disregarding valid information because it doesn’t fit with your solve.

[Pentagon Shape]

I admit I didn't read every word but I didn't get much out of ORange v Pentagon

other than the obvious they're not TvS.

This then gets immediately dropped but...

A: How is that "obvious"
B: If you're ruling T-S out somehow, why not do partner analysis to sort between S-S/T-T?

It's a throwaway statement that shows a mindset of not actually caring, and I'm gonna bet that it's because they're T-T but subconsciously Heart avoided closing the door entirely with a committed read.

That is an interesting take. I usually here people say things more commonly like “it’s obvious __ and __ aren’t SvS”, so that is interesting. I do wonder why Heart didn’t follow up with this like you suggested.

[Pentagon Shape]

And Triangle, don't take this badly. I am not asking you to be like Yellow, but avoid using people's names and avatars as reasons why they are scum.

They’re obviously trolling with that. lol

So here's the thing: I don't trust trolls. They're too much of a liability and if I don't come up with a slot that feels more scum, I would want to push tri anyway

then again I'm only skimming tonight so I don't have anything real yet to produce.

lol omgus cnfrmd.

Now this read may actually be valid since I didn’t particularly care for their interactions with Orange. Star asked to pair with them and then proceeded to antagonize them, which in this setup isn’t town indicative because scum is anti-pairing because then they get to decide that.

[Pentagon Shape]

also power + modifier corresponding to color + shape was incredibly obvious based on the rules and signup and didnt take asking the mod

the fact that triangle is continuing to push that argument is way way worse than using the info from a mainslip post and has me raising an eyebrow

a nw chllngr apprchs.

Are you seriously going to sr anyone who even remotely criticizes your play, regardless of the validity of their point? There is absolutely nothing remotely scummy about Circle’s post. You are disregarding valid information because it doesn’t fit with your solve.

intrstin reactin.
i nvr sd thy were a scmrd. jst a nw chllngr apprchd.

Oh sorry then, so what then did you mean by that comment?

[Pentagon Shape]

VOTE: Heart

I’m not opposed to Heart if people think Star isn’t scum. I want to hear their reactions to Green’s post first.

[Pentagon Shape]

I guess with five unpaird there probably is scum in there, but I'm not sure I have a preference as far as who should get the delay. If scum get it, I don't know if that's a terrible thing when we don't know what the powers even are yet.

This post is strange. Why wouldn’t scum getting delayer be a bad thing?

[Pentagon Shape]

RE Triangle, still null for me. I'm not sure if they're serious about their hero solve or just using it to sort people. I think the Red/Traingle pairing could be volatile though just because others seem to be seeing things in them that I'm really not. Whoever, I think Orange, said something about me simplifying Blue's read on Triangle as larping and thus nai, that's exactly what it is.

What? Red is paired with me not Triangle and Triangle wasn’t paired with anyone att you posted this.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

I was talking about 114. I was worried that it would give away that I've never played outside of the Newbie and Normal Queues.

If you're town, you just made yourself a target for pairing by scum.

If Heart is scum, this post would be extremely ironic.

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel so betrayed by Heart. If we don't eliminate them, please delay them. I would like Heart to explain everything at once. Then, I might vote them.

How can we delay them since they’re already paired?

[Pentagon Shape]

I feel so betrayed by Heart. If we don't eliminate them, please delay them. I would like Heart to explain everything at once. Then, I might vote them.

How can we delay them since they’re already paired?

Oh nm, you mean Star could but then who would we eliminate then? If we eliminate Star, we can’t delay anyone.

[Pentagon Shape]

I was stupid and didn't read the rules and thought we'd get our PTs right away.

I did too, that’s usually what happens.

[Pentagon Shape]

Sorry, why are people voting Heart?

I admit I didn't read every word but I didn't get much out of ORange v Pentagon

other than the obvious they're not TvS.

This then gets immediately dropped but...

A: How is that "obvious"
B: If you're ruling T-S out somehow, why not do partner analysis to sort between S-S/T-T?

It's a throwaway statement that shows a mindset of not actually caring, and I'm gonna bet that it's because they're T-T but subconsciously Heart avoided closing the door entirely with a committed read.

[Pentagon Shape]

I think Heart is town.

Going thru ISO’s now

My strongest scum read is a null scum @ arrow

Are you going to give reasons?

[Pentagon Shape]

6) Pairing PTs will open at the start of Night One and remain open for the remainder of the game so long as both players are alive. All Night Phases will be two days/48 hours. Each paired player will be sent a PM informing them of their partner's Power or Modifier. The player will not be informed of their own Power or Modifier.

I guess not. I feel rather upset as I was hoping to get a chance to talk shop with Triangle a bit in my limited availability I have tonight.

Yeah because considering we’re now voting, having pts would probably make this a lot easier to make reads except of course with Star.

@Star what is you think about Heart’s playstyle is getting misread?

[Pentagon Shape]

I have been sitting outside the fog of war, following along since the beginning.

Here are my reads prior to replacing in. (Obviously, this ignores my own role PM, but I was fairly confident it was a town slot)

Extremely Town:

Color Blue
Color Purple
Circle Shape

Town:

Color Green
Triangle Shape
Color Orange
Arrow Shape
Pentagon Shape

Could Go Either Way:

Color Yellow
Diamond Shape
Star Shape

Please Deny Endgame:

Heart Shape

Kill As Soon As Able:

Color Red

I do believe all remaining unpaired folks are town, and that the delayer is going to be town as such. Damn the torpedo(s), we eliminate scum, not drag our heels at what could have been with all PR pairings being intact.

I explicitly chose not to replace into the red slot as

I felt the posts that caused it to be replaced were extremely scum indicative

, even in a vacuum of a general unnamed player.

You do realize that the reason for red replace out was the main slipping, don’t you?

[Pentagon Shape]

Arrow feels rather stagnant, if you will?

His reads come across the same since the beginning of the game regarding green, pent, and orange. It doesn't feel like he's evolving that much throughout the game.

Why is consistency scummy for you? I’ll give you that some flexibility on the replaced slots might be more prudent but except for Red, the newcomers have not felt great so I think playing hardball on those is valid.

Consistency is in itself is nia. It’s bad if new information that should affect those reads doesn’t affect reads and it’s good if new information that should reinforce those reads does. That saying, I find Star’s reasoning on Arrow kind’ve simplistic and saying a slot is getting misread based on playstyle is fine if you actually elaborate. Otherwise, that kind of take is essentially meaningless.

@Green, what are your reasons for scumreading red? I paired with them because I really liked the main slipping’s post. So I really don’t understand why you have them so low in your reads?

[Pentagon Shape]

I have been sitting outside the fog of war, following along since the beginning.

Here are my reads prior to replacing in. (Obviously, this ignores my own role PM, but I was fairly confident it was a town slot)

Extremely Town:

Color Blue
Color Purple
Circle Shape

Town:

Color Green
Triangle Shape
Color Orange
Arrow Shape
Pentagon Shape

Could Go Either Way:

Color Yellow
Diamond Shape
Star Shape

Please Deny Endgame:

Heart Shape

Kill As Soon As Able:

Color Red

I do believe all remaining unpaired folks are town, and that the delayer is going to be town as such. Damn the torpedo(s), we eliminate scum, not drag our heels at what could have been with all PR pairings being intact.

I explicitly chose not to replace into the red slot as

I felt the posts that caused it to be replaced were extremely scum indicative

, even in a vacuum of a general unnamed player.

You do realize that the reason for red replace out was the main slipping, don’t you?

Well not opposed to voting Green, since this take is clearly untrue.

[Pentagon Shape]

It's certainly very bold!

Probably because there's a gap the size of the marinas trench between red and everyone above them!

The sooner we pair up the sooner I can murder heart and then red!

I mean hell the mod gave you two freebies by making role PM color match account name and here you are still screwing up!

Reading is clearly too hard for some of you.

Everyone else
Literal ocean trench
Red
Smaller gap
Heart

I'm at least a little shocked nobody else sees the glaring perspective slip from heart....

they're voting Heart and not Red right now

Are you going for the "I read the least actual posts this game" award, or?

Reading is clearly too hard for some of you.

Everyone else
Literal ocean trench
Red
Smaller gap
Heart

The sooner we pair up the sooner I can murder

heart

and then red!

I understand what Orange is talking about here. I have far less of a problem with your reads then you never even explain your red read and suddenly push heart with no explanation on how you got to that point.

[Pentagon Shape]

I swear to ~Deity~ if one me person asks about the fucking trajectory "issues" when my single focus since replacing in is to murder the shit out of Heart and Red.

Red-1's posting that was IMO manipulative being an alt-slip doesn't mean it was intended as one, so you take it as if it had been posted as red directly, and that was a tug at emotion, is the last line:

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

To me this reads as trying to make you (yes you, the person behind the screen) feel sorry for not liking their approach to the game.

How do you get that from this? Since when does scum ever say something like that voluntarily? And he was in fact scumhunting anyway because of his read on Diamond. Idk if Heart is scum but at least the perspective slip theory is plausible and there’s some other odd posts besides that like telling Purple, scum will try to pair with them. I don’t know if that’s ai or not but it’s also kind of an unusual thought for town to have.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

I was talking about 114. I was worried that it would give away that I've never played outside of the Newbie and Normal Queues.

If you're town, you just made yourself a target for pairing by scum.

I guess with five unpaird there probably is scum in there, but I'm not sure I have a preference as far as who should get the delay. If scum get it, I don't know if that's a terrible thing when we don't know what the powers even are yet.

Idk, I still want to hear their reaction first because I think that will tell us a lot.

[Pentagon Shape]

Just re-ISO’d Star because I had previously thought that they sounded worse than either Heart/Green but they actually sound better than either. So I think it’s between Heart or Green. Yellow isn’t doing much but nothing has pinged me really.

[Pentagon Shape]

I have been sitting outside the fog of war, following along since the beginning.

Here are my reads prior to replacing in. (Obviously, this ignores my own role PM, but I was fairly confident it was a town slot)

Extremely Town:

Color Blue
Color Purple
Circle Shape

Town:

Color Green
Triangle Shape
Color Orange
Arrow Shape
Pentagon Shape

Could Go Either Way:

Color Yellow
Diamond Shape
Star Shape

Please Deny Endgame:

Heart Shape

Kill As Soon As Able:

Color Red

I do believe all remaining unpaired folks are town, and that the delayer is going to be town as such. Damn the torpedo(s), we eliminate scum, not drag our heels at what could have been with all PR pairings being intact.

I explicitly chose not to replace into the red slot as

I felt the posts that caused it to be replaced

were extremely scum indicative, even in a vacuum of a general unnamed player.

So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

[Pentagon Shape]

Alternatively, they weren't satisfied with the gamestate as it was when they replaced in.
This would implicate the unpaired shapes as potential partners, but may not be the case.

I have a hard time believing someone can replace in, decide the game state is bad for their scum team and whip up a fake readslist in 12 minutes.

They could but they’re putting such a huge target on their back by doing this, when they could just be playing it safe.

[Pentagon Shape]

I don't have a firm read either way yet, but Arrow seems very fun, so I vote we keep 'em around.

Pair: Arrow

Uh,
why do you think star is town

Their opinion on the lack of RVS. Circle was my RVS pair vote. The question was RQS.

RVS pairing right out the gate seems like a bad idea. It's not like normal RVS where a majority has to agree on a lim before there are any consequences, you could have easily been locked into that.

Idk if this is meaningful but Yellow paired Arrow without having much of a read on them which is nether here nor there but then suggests to Purple that “rvs pairing right out of the gate is a bad idea”. So why is it okay for Yellow to pair with Arrow and not have a read on them but it’s unadvisable for Purple to do that with Star? but I may be just picking at nia things with this.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

Why should who Star’s leaning to delay be a factor? Shouldn’t that be a majority consensus? Last I checked, Star wasn’t too keen on Arrow, who I think is town, does that make Arrow a good lim? No obviously.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

Why should who Star’s leaning to delay be a factor? Shouldn’t that be a majority consensus? Last I checked, Star wasn’t too keen on Arrow, who I think is town, does that make Arrow a good lim? No obviously.

Exactly. How Star is going to use the slot is necessary information. They can say "oh it's going to be used for townie reasons" and just use it however they want. So I wanna know how they're going to use it. And this seems like a particularly difficult thing without even knowing what the powers are. So we should be getting our act together preferably well ahead of the deadline. So what I'm saying is, yes it should be a majority consensus, but there are a lot of variables at play that we can't really say "Okay if ___ is limmed then delay the ______ & ______ team." I wanna know who is going to be delayed before we flip someone bc we probably aren't going to have much time in twilight to talk about that.

I like this post, especially since I’m iffy on Star and I view wanting to essentially hold their feet to the fire as possibly town indicative.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

[Pentagon Shape]

So I see some slight inconsistencies here. Green has Yellow, Diamond, Star as “could go either way” but later states that they “believe all unpaired folks are town and then wrongly shades red by incorrectly implying his replace out was actually voluntary when it clearly wasn’t.

So I’m torn on this because I dislike both but for different reasons, not really impressed with Star either. Diamond and Yellow are nulls am not currently worried about anyone else.

I’m thinking that it’s probably unusual for scum to right out of the gate try to put such a huge target on their back when it’s safer to not make waves.

I think a problem that only just clicked for me on seeing your post is that Green asserts that essentially, two out of three of the people in his "could go either way pile" are town to him, but never really cares to reconcile what that means for the remainder? Having two people as scum does not a solve make.

Yes, that is the one thing that continues to bother me the most about green, the constant contradictions. I think Heart’s recent posting is good and shows a nuanced view of the game and can see no agenda behind their posting. They feel really genuine to me with their recent posts.

So I don’t have to do a defense then, right?

No but I didn’t read anything into their posting to begin with. Only thing I wondered about was the tvs thing but I think Green was really reaching with that.

[Pentagon Shape]

I swear to ~Deity~ if one me person asks about the fucking trajectory "issues" when my single focus since replacing in is to murder the shit out of Heart and Red.

Red-1's posting that was IMO manipulative being an alt-slip doesn't mean it was intended as one, so you take it as if it had been posted as red directly, and that was a tug at emotion, is the last line:

The reason I thought Diamond TMI'd was because as far as I know, we don't know what our powers or modifiers are. So when he claimed that Mafia would have a Roleblock, I assumed he was talking about one of their powers and not the delay action (which isn't a Roleblock).

Shortly after, Pentagon states he didn't like Diamond, which is why I considered Pentagon a good spot to pair with.

I haven't really been trying to scum hunt, so much as figure out who would be my ideal partner.

To me this reads as trying to make you (yes you, the person behind the screen) feel sorry for not liking their approach to the game.

Like this take really doesn’t even make sense.

[Pentagon Shape]

I mean hell the mod gave you two freebies by making role PM color match account name and here you are still screwing up!

Reading is clearly too hard for some of you.

Everyone else
Literal ocean trench
Red
Smaller gap
Heart

I'm at least a little shocked nobody else sees the glaring perspective slip from heart....

So again, why is Green pushing Heart?

[Pentagon Shape]

I'm satisfied with 3 probable town reads day 1.
As long as we do a high information lim, I don't really have an issue with killing anybody else.
I don't really like the pushes on green though. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth because of how literal minded player's approaches have been to them.
They entered the game talking about pacing and the game state and they're doing that, shit pushes or not. It's not like this isn't RVS, a bunch of serious rebuttals doesn't really make me feel better.

Are you referring to votes? You pretty much did a 180 on green are you now convinced Heart is scum? So maybe tell me what I’m not seeing then?

I think you should be more suspicious of people who aren’t questioning things. I have no problem voting out either Heart or Red if I’m convinced on it but posts like this one aren’t really helping me do that.

[Pentagon Shape]

No, what I’m saying is challenging Green on their reads is a good thing. I challenge everything, because it’s important to me to feel as confident as I can on whatever vote I ultimately make and I will check out that list the thing tomorrow.

But now that you bring it up, I would obviously welcome more opinions on Heart from more people. That would be extremely helpful to me.

[Pentagon Shape]

Is this TMI?

What do you mean by this.

I was talking about 114. I was worried that it would give away that I've never played outside of the Newbie and Normal Queues.

If you're town, you just made yourself a target for pairing by scum

.

If Heart is scum, I could see this as a possible perspective slip, since I would expect this to occur more to scum than town.

[Pentagon Shape]

I get told I've got a straight-forward posting style, and I try to read for content. So I'm not too worried about it. If you're scum, it will show. I suggest you try not to deviate from your regular style if you are town lest you look unnatural.

This post strikes me again as off perspective wise. Like why is Heart instructing Purple on how to post, especially since Purple really doesn’t look like they need any help?

[Pentagon Shape]

I admit I didn't read every word but I didn't get much out of ORange v Pentagon other than the obvious they're not TvS.

Purple and Blue seem to be I guess hesitant to push people too much. I'm just thinking off the top of my head so no specific posts, but they seem to be apologetic in their approach, and that's a missed opportunity in my opinion. I mean every time someone does that it's like why. Why not continue to push people in order to sort.

This post is also interesting. Why is Heart criticizing Purple and Blue for not making stronger pushes when they have yet to make any?

[Pentagon Shape]

I guess with five unpaird there probably is scum in there, but I'm not sure I have a preference as far as who should get the delay.

If scum get it, I don't know if that's a terrible thing when we don't know what the powers even are yet.

Another wtf post. This perspective is off. In what world is scum getting delayer a good thing?

[Pentagon Shape]

RE Triangle, still null for me. I'm not sure if they're serious about their hero solve or just using it to sort people. I think the Red/Traingle pairing could be volatile though just because others seem to be seeing things in them that I'm really not. Whoever, I think Orange, said something about me simplifying Blue's read on Triangle as larping and thus nai, that's exactly what it is.

No idea what to make of this, since I was already paired with Red at the time of this post and if any pairing with Tiangle would logically have been considered “volatile” att, wouldn’t that have been me?

[Pentagon Shape]

what are your actual reads heart

the only opinions i can seem to find from you is that you think purple and arrow are town

I don't have a whole lot yet. I think this preliminary stage isn't necessarily the best way to locktown or lockscum anyone.

i did not ask you to locktown or lockscum anyone

this seems a curious exaggeration on your part

Take it any way you want. Doesn't make my thinking on this any less valid. I don't know how anyone can have anything but tentative positions until we actually know what's what. Right now people, including myself, are developing reads based on what exactly. We don't even really know what's going on yet.

So again, why criticize Purple and Blue for not making stronger pushes? That stance seems inconsistent with this.

[Pentagon Shape]

I paired with Yellow, so I can't pair with Orange.
Meta arguments in an anon game, how novel. Forgive me if I don't take your word for it.

No one is asking you to, that doesn’t make it any less true. Reaction reads to getting sr in general are really bad metrics and I really don’t understand why anyone thinks they’re ever indicative of anything, so you don’t even need to know my meta to know that’s a very silly basis for alignment reading anyone.

Imagine injecting self-meta and

then shading someone

for questioning it.

Also don’t like this. I was very clearly NOT “shading” Arrow in this post.

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I have Star/Diamond as SRs is because I got whiplash reading through Diamond's ISO:

42

Diamond calls out Star for volunteering and taking it backsies - he calls it a bit-LAMISTY

Later however:

259

He more or less makes the same kind of LAMisty appeal.

I do think it's possible he is just fustrated town who feels like he is being frozen out - but the game has barely been running for 2? days so I'm not sure that's something that's genuine.

It feels to me that the game state is still wide open and I think people are happy to mingle and talk - we've only paired 2 players so far.

I guess I think if he's town I just want to give him a big hug.

Maybe even if he's scum I would too? I am a sucker for AtE.

Heart apparently takes issue with this post. I don’t understand what’s wrong with it?

[Pentagon Shape]

So I guess asking Star who they are leaning to delay should figure into this calculus of who to lim

Why should who Star’s leaning to delay be a factor? Shouldn’t that be a majority consensus? Last I checked, Star wasn’t too keen on Arrow, who I think is town, does that make Arrow a good lim? No obviously.

Exactly. How Star is going to use the slot is necessary information. They can say "oh it's going to be used for townie reasons" and just use it however they want. So I wanna know how they're going to use it. And this seems like a particularly difficult thing without even knowing what the powers are. So we should be getting our act together preferably well ahead of the deadline. So what I'm saying is, yes it should be a majority consensus, but there are a lot of variables at play that we can't really say "Okay if ___ is limmed then delay the ______ & ______ team." I wanna know who is going to be delayed before we flip someone bc we probably aren't going to have much time in twilight to talk about that.

Another thing this does is prevent Star from going off book. If Star agrees to delay the ____ & _____ team, and that team initiates its power, if the power fails, we know Star likely delayed them.

I actually shouldn’t have tr Heart for this. This is a post that could just as easily have been made by scum. Nothing is of course remotely suspicious about discussing mech but Heart seems to be focussed on that a lot more than in making reads. I think I’m starting to see what Green and Arrow are seeing now.

[Pentagon Shape]

Color Red#
Color Orange
Color Yellow*
Color Green#
Color Blue
Color Purple
Arrow Shape
Circle Shape
Diamond Shape
Heart Shape
Pentagon Shape
Star Shape*#
Triangle Shape

Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle
Color Green-Shape Diamond
Color Orange-Triangle Shape
Star Shape

Looking at this I don't think there's a s/s team. At least not one that pops out. With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

Still don’t understand this read on Blue, I think they’ve been really townie. Why no further explanation on red read?

Another thing that caught my eye, all of these symbols. I’m going to assume that “#” is possible scumread, “*” is a possible nullread and having both in the case of Star is nullscum?

But Green is never mentioned anywhere before in Heart’s ISO as a scumread and there is no symbol next to blue.

[Pentagon Shape]

Anyway, I think I’ve read enough to vote.

VOTE: Heart

They aren’t taking strong stances on really anything but mech and criticizing other slots for not making pushes is inconsistent with not having any strong stances of your own. Heart’s ISO is at times, careful, hedgey and overly focused on mech and I now think Green really believes what they’re saying because it’s pretty much suicidal behavior for scum to take those kind of hard stances. Now if Green had been pushing a slot I have much stronger reason to see as town, that would be different but I’m now kind’ve mindmelding with Green’s take on Heart.

[Pentagon Shape]

To be fair, let's hope that Yellow says something.

Really have no clue what to make of that slot, hopefully they provide some relevant content.

[Pentagon Shape]

Unless we no lim, which I'm not a fan of.

Thinking about it, I think this is the right play.

VOTE: no lim

Why vote no lim?

[Pentagon Shape]

We're at the "pasta" stage of the Heart elimination, folks.

Aka "throw shit to the wall and hope it sticks"

Hence why past-heart and current-heart disagree so visibly about nolim.

What do you think of Star’s wanting to lim you?

[Pentagon Shape]

Hearts votes are so “omgus” but there’s actual debate around Green. Green flipping and then the NK should give us great associatives moving forward.

Why do you think Green is mafia?

Hm actually

UNVOTE:

I don’t think Green is “scum” I said “looks more scummy” which aren’t the same thing.

But ISO has changed my mind.

Oh nm then.

[Pentagon Shape]

Agree with Diamond, Heart looks the least like they’re trying to solve. No one expects you to have confident scumreads atp but you should at least be trying to have reads.

[Pentagon Shape]

Color Red#
Color Orange
Color Yellow*
Color Green#
Color Blue
Color Purple
Arrow Shape
Circle Shape
Diamond Shape
Heart Shape
Pentagon Shape
Star Shape*#
Triangle Shape

Color Yellow-Shape Arrow
Color Red-Shape Pentagon
Color Purple-Shape Heart
Color Blue-Shape Circle
Color Green-Shape Diamond
Color Orange-Triangle Shape
Star Shape

Looking at this I don't think there's a s/s team. At least not one that pops out. With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

Still don’t understand this read on Blue, I think they’ve been really townie. Why no further explanation on red read?

Another thing that caught my eye, all of these symbols. I’m going to assume that “#” is possible scumread, “*” is a possible nullread and having both in the case of Star is nullscum?

But Green is never mentioned anywhere before in Heart’s ISO as a scumread and there is no symbol next to blue.

I would like Heart to explain the symbols. Unless they were people that Hert wants eliminated/NKed?

Look at the player list in Post 0. It's just a copy and paste job. I wanted a list of players. Those symbols are prods and replacements.

___________________

If y'all think all I did was come in, make a list and leave, I don't know what you're on about. I've put more work into this game than I planned to.

Also, people need to learn what "perspective slip" means. It's losing its meaning as much as it's been thrown around in this game.

I don't know who the scum is on my wagon, but I'm pretty sure it's not a pure wagon. Flipping me for info may be the best play right now given the time left in the day.

I don't understand why we're not talking about possible powers and the delay and why it's scummy that I am thinking about it. We don't know how much time we're going to have to talk about it. As someone said, it's important that we hold Star accountable. We can do that. I think we should require Star to use the delay on a specific pair. That pair tries to use whatever power they get, and they should get delayed.

And why even bother to make a list of prods and replacements if you’re not going to form an analysis based off of that?

[Pentagon Shape]

I’m feeling slightly better about Star, waffling sounds somewhat townie and that is what looks different wrt to Heart, they seem more hedging than waffling.

Avoiding making strong reads > then rand chance of scum
Waffling on slots > than rand chance of town

Scum hedges, town waffles in a nutshell.

[Pentagon Shape]

While I don't townread Red, I prefer Orange and Purple. Yellow disagrees on Purple.

Why Purple? Heart/Purple interactions don’t read SvS at all to me.

[Pentagon Shape]

Red barely posted in our PT which means we never got to discuss who or if to target with our power, so make of that what you will.

[Pentagon Shape]

incriminating result

To be clear, I submitted a name cop action on Red and got back "red" as a result. Diamond did a name cop on me and got back "green" as a result, so clearly alignments are now known for the both of us!

VOTE: Red

[Pentagon Shape]

Murder (In Order~!)

Color Red
Color Yellow
Star Shape
Color Orange
Pentagon Shape

Don't Murder (Roughly in Order)

Color Green
Circle Shape
Color Blue
Arrow Shape
Diamond Shape
Triangle Shape
Color Purple

Honestly only purple would I even deem should go into the limpool from the don't kills.

How tf am I on your murder list? I’m very obviously town here.

[Pentagon Shape]

incriminating result

To be clear, I submitted a name cop action on Red and got back "red" as a result. Diamond did a name cop on me and got back "green" as a result, so clearly alignments are now known for the both of us!

This is not possible from the answers I got to some questions to the mod last night.

What?

UNVOTE:

[Pentagon Shape]

Heart Shape (7): Color Green, Color Blue, Diamond Shape, Arrow Shape, Pentagon Shape, Color Purple, Circle Shape

Color Green (1): Color Red
Color Yellow (1): Color Orange
No Elimination (1): Heart Shape

Not voting (3): Color Yellow, Triangle Shape, Star Shape

I mean realistically I think the entire Heart wagon is pure there. But I added more names to the murder list (in order recall) just in case I'm turbowrong about Yellow.

But your murder list really doesn’t fit with thr VCA though. Everyone on Heart wagon looks better than everyone off of it.

I’d say Yellow had just repped in so that should probably be taken into account. I also didn’t hate their catchup.

Both Red and Orange’s votes look bad. Voting yellow looks like a way to flip neither Green or Heart which actually looks worse than Red but it looked to me like they were trying to avoid our PT, so I’m fine with limming either.

But based off of PT interactions, I’d probably do Red first.

VOTE: Red

[Pentagon Shape]

incriminating result

To be clear, I submitted a name cop action on Red and got back "red" as a result. Diamond did a name cop on me and got back "green" as a result, so clearly alignments are now known for the both of us!

This is not possible from the answers I got to some questions to the mod last night.

What?

UNVOTE:

Green was joking. Their names are Red and Green.

I asked if both partners perform actions or if it's only the Shape partner. It's the latter.

But both have to agree to the target. Red told me I could target whomever I wanted but he didn’t bold that or give any opinion on whom we should target. So no action was submitted. It’s possible he didn’t understand how it worked but I didn’t even find out my power until close to deadline and he never asked me what his modifier was.

[Pentagon Shape]

VCA

VCA can die with a sharp pointy stick up the arse.

Not useful in anon games.

Hard disagree. Why wouldn’t it be useful in an anon game?

If you’re going to ignore a valuable scumhunting tool, that’s on you.

[Pentagon Shape]

Okay, that came off as harsh. Sorry.

Just anxious to get red deaded.

It’s okay. He first tells me he needs to reconsider the game on Sunday and finally tells me on Tuesday what my power is and offered no comment who to target and also told me he was avoiding the game a little. You would expect someone who was so eager to pair with me to be a lot more interested in engaging with me.

[Pentagon Shape]

My townread of Arrow

First Arrow, that is. And New Arrow has inherited that read.

Arrow is locktown for me, they were my next strongest tr after Circle.

[Pentagon Shape]

I-I said the Heart wagon was pure first!

Green is charting the same course as they did in the PT. I agreed with about everything minus a few split hairs.

The only people I think /could/ be scum on the wagon are Arrow or Pentagon but I think both scum were off wagon and that’s an in case of emergency option.

I seriously don’t get why anyone is sr me. It just boggles my mind. Arrow makes even less sense.

[Pentagon Shape]

I admit I didn't read every word but I didn't get much out of ORange v Pentagon other than the obvious they're not TvS.

Purple and Blue seem to be I guess hesitant to push people too much. I'm just thinking off the top of my head so no specific posts, but they seem to be apologetic in their approach, and that's a missed opportunity in my opinion. I mean every time someone does that it's like why. Why not continue to push people in order to sort.

I think both Purple and Blue probably spewed town with this.

[Pentagon Shape]

I kind of think the last scum is diamond but Circle disagreed with that >.>

The way Diamond responded to Green's entry by saying Green's reads were "cute" and when asked about it mentioned some stuff but didn't mention the scumreads on red/heart feels kind of wrong to me.

The fact that Diamond has Arrow as possible scum onwagon is definitely whack, so that made me wonder.

[Pentagon Shape]

I-I said the Heart wagon was pure first!

Green is charting the same course as they did in the PT. I agreed with about everything minus a few split hairs.

The only people I think /could/ be scum on the wagon are Arrow or Pentagon but I think both scum were off wagon and that’s an in case of emergency option.

I seriously don’t get why anyone is sr me. It just boggles my mind. Arrow makes even less sense.

For you I find you reactive which I considered a little bit oh is this scum just going with what they see to placate? But I ultimately think it’s you being town who is working through every piece of information and coming to conclusions even if they feel a bit whiplash sometimes.

And I was cranky with Arrow having whiplash and saying to kill me, but for once I was objective and said they’re probably town too.

Reactivity isn’t a scumtell, it’s based off of the false assumption that town shouldn’t ever be survivalistic and unless a slot is being survivalistic in a particularily scummy way, it means nothing. Arrow’s flip flop on Green doesn’t make sense if scum.

I would say, never lim Green, Arrow or Purple and probably Blue as well.

That’s my hard town core.

[Pentagon Shape]

also the way diamond hops on feels kind of bussy.

I don't think yellow hesitates to hammer in that spot if yellow scum with heart who has given up.

the nightkill being on circle rather than green feels like its more likely to come from Diamond-scum

Yeah interesting. I like Yellow more than Orange. Yellow kept saying that Orange’s view of the gamestate was different than theirs and I kind’ve mindmelded with that.

[Pentagon Shape]

I-I said the Heart wagon was pure first!

Green is charting the same course as they did in the PT. I agreed with about everything minus a few split hairs.

The only people I think /could/ be scum on the wagon are Arrow or Pentagon but I think both scum were off wagon and that’s an in case of emergency option.

I seriously don’t get why anyone is sr me. It just boggles my mind. Arrow makes even less sense.

For you I find you reactive which I considered a little bit oh is this scum just going with what they see to placate? But I ultimately think it’s you being town who is working through every piece of information and coming to conclusions even if they feel a bit whiplash sometimes.

And I was cranky with Arrow having whiplash and saying to kill me, but for once I was objective and said they’re probably town too.

Reactivity isn’t a scumtell, it’s based off of the false assumption that town shouldn’t ever be survivalistic and unless a slot is being survivalistic in a particularily scummy way, it means nothing. Arrow’s flip flop on Green doesn’t make sense if scum.

I would say, never lim Green, Arrow or Purple and probably Blue as well.

That’s my hard town core.

Reactive doesn’t... mean reacting and only doing things for survival. It was how you were responding to new pieces of information in a way that felt like each stance was worth consideration which I felt necessary to ask myself, is this scum processing if an option is viable more than their current stance or not?I decided the way you did it was most likely town.

You’d have to provide examples for me then, since I always get defensive if pushed but I feel the worst about Orange after Red. Of all the slots who were pushing me, Orange kept pinging me and I considered it possibly a playstyle clash but my playstyle clash with Triange was arguably even greater but they didn’t ping me.

[Pentagon Shape]

I’ll be open to your input going forward. I just think sharing a PT would not be fun for me.

I’ll post up some quickly hashed out reads and then sign off for the night.

Colors:

Orange (obviously.)
Purple (actively solving, pretty simple.)
Red (thoughts in certain places feel genuine.)
Green (thought process of the current occupant feels erratic which is bothersome but not actually scummy after thinking about it. Not really a strong impression there otherwise.)
Yellow (seems a bit suspicious solely for pairing and then not bothering to provide any content for the rest of the pairing phase.)
Blue (I don’t recall exactly what I do not like here but I definitely feel like I had tangible enough suspicion here to rank Blue lower than everyone else among the colors.)

Shapes:

Arrow/Circle (both pretty much have the same general profile of having hood solving mindsets and town-looking reactions to certain things.)
Diamond (I feel like the outburst earlier is a towny exhibition of emotion. It did not seem like there was manipulation involved.)
Triangle (seems invested to some degree at least. Want to see more, for sure.)
Heart (I recall being pinged by something I saw from Heart so he ranks lower than Triangle which is essentially my null point. But I cannot recall what it was without looking back so it’s clearly not strong enough to rank any lower.)
Pentagon (I don’t feel as bad about Pentagon as I did back during the think of our interaction but she still bothers me somewhat.)
Star (the play of the new occupant of this slot feels all over the place, in a way that I feel less charitable towards than what new Green has been doing. But there’s room for that to change and I also should probably factor in the first occupant as well before sending this.)

I love this readslist. Especially the part about being ranked lower than flipped scum. Also, trs Triangle for being invested which is fine but clearly judging from my post count and content, how am I not invested? I have more posts than both Diamond/Triangle put together.

[Pentagon Shape]

The reason I have Star/Diamond as SRs is because I got whiplash reading through Diamond's ISO:

42

Diamond calls out Star for volunteering and taking it backsies - he calls it a bit-LAMISTY

Later however:

259

He more or less makes the same kind of LAMisty appeal.

I do think it's possible he is just fustrated town who feels like he is being frozen out - but the game has barely been running for 2? days so I'm not sure that's something that's genuine.

It feels to me that the game state is still wide open and I think people are happy to mingle and talk - we've only paired 2 players so far.

I guess I think if he's town I just want to give him a big hug.

Maybe even if he's scum I would too? I am a sucker for AtE.

Heart pushed Blue for this post.

[Pentagon Shape]

With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

I think it's pretty crazy you think I could be scum with Star given the way the previous Star attacked me.

What exactly did I do to Diamond that you think is scummy?

Post 287 doesn't sound like it comes from a genuine place. Although you threw Star in there too, and that one I think is more likely so it could be a foundation for a bus.

With that premise, there could be 3 teams with scum in them or 2 teams with scum and Star is scum. Red & Pentagon and Blue & Circle I think may be most likely, with Red being scum in that pairing and Blue in the other. I didn't like Blue's treatment of Diamond, and I've gotten bad vibes from Red both pre- and post-substitution.

I think it's pretty crazy you think I could be scum with Star given the way the previous Star attacked me.

What exactly did I do to Diamond that you think is scummy?

And I'm not pairing you with Star necessarily, I'm just operating on a supposition. I'm slightly more confident in your being scum rather than there being just two teams with a scumbo in them.

Since being unpaired doesn't mean automatic death in this game, I can volunteer to be the lone shape. In this scenario, I'll just keep the Delay holstered so it won't be an issue going forward. I'd prefer to be paired of course, but I think this is the easiest way to deal with this situation and make it a non-issue.

I have Star as null-town, but I think this very first post needs not be forgotten.

Og Star was hardpushing Blue as well.

[Pentagon Shape]

I guess with five unpaird there probably is scum in there, but I'm not sure I have a preference as far as who should get the delay. If scum get it, I don't know if that's a terrible thing when we don't know what the powers even are yet.

This feels like town.

I would seriously like Orange to explain why they tr this post.

[Pentagon Shape]

VOTE: Orange

We roleblocked Orange. GG.

Whoops.

[Pentagon Shape]

Well we Jailkept Yellow last night. So there's alternative explanation to the lack of kill.

Jailkeep was also my power. When Red failed to post in our PT and tell me what my power was, I told him that if we were cop, we should absolutely use it. That’s when he finally told me I was jk.

[Pentagon Shape]

Hi Pentagon.

Is your pairing a blocker/jailkeeper of any sort?

Because if so yellow scum claimed because red told yellow your pair's ability in the scum topic and yellow forgot it wasn't public knowledge~

Well we Jailkept Yellow last night. So there's alternative explanation to the lack of kill.

Jailkeep was also my power. When Red failed to post in our PT and tell me what my power was, I told him that if we were cop, we should absolutely use it. That’s when he finally told me I was jk.

Just saw this. Yeah when Orange claimed jk, my spidy senses were triggered by that, so unless there’s two of them Orange is probably lying.

[Pentagon Shape]

Well we Jailkept Yellow last night. So there's alternative explanation to the lack of kill.

What are the odds that there are two jks in this setup?

[Pentagon Shape]

...Green's saying that /Yellow/ slipped up, by confirming you were a JK when they shouldn't have known.

Mod already confirmed there could be duplicate roles I believe.

7) There may be duplicates of some Powers and Modifiers in the game.

Oh sorry then, Orange.

[Pentagon Shape]

I'm cursed.

We have/had 3 abilities that block?

Unless Red was lying about Penta being a jail keeper.

Dafuq, how would you even know this? I never said what my power was.

[Pentagon Shape]

Red doesn’t out my power anywhere in the thread.

[Pentagon Shape]

incriminating result

To be clear, I submitted a name cop action on Red and got back "red" as a result. Diamond did a name cop on me and got back "green" as a result, so clearly alignments are now known for the both of us!

This is not possible from the answers I got to some questions to the mod last night.

What?

UNVOTE:

Green was joking. Their names are Red and Green.

I asked if both partners perform actions or if it's only the Shape partner. It's the latter.

But both have to agree to the target. Red told me I could target whomever I wanted but he didn’t bold that or give any opinion on whom we should target. So no action was submitted. It’s possible he didn’t understand how it worked but I didn’t even find out my power until close to deadline and he never asked me what his modifier was.

Well we Jailkept Yellow last night. So there's alternative explanation to the lack of kill.

Jailkeep was also my power. When Red failed to post in our PT and tell me what my power was, I told him that if we were cop, we should absolutely use it. That’s when he finally told me I was jk.

Yep, just checked. I never claimed my power until today. Yellow scumslipped with that.

VOTE: Yellow

[Pentagon Shape]

red probly said it in the scum pt like green said

red didnt even talk during d2

Yep, looks like game is solved and Green deserves a scummie for getting all three scum.

[Pentagon Shape]

I'm cursed.

We have/had 3 abilities that block?

Unless Red was lying about Penta being a jail keeper

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Let’s powerlim this guys and end this game and all bow down to scumhunting genius new Green.

[Pentagon Shape]

(But yeah, put Yellow out of their misery, or they'll feel the need to keep tryharding)

+1

They’re caught scum, it really doesn’t matter what Triangle says.

[Pentagon Shape]

I thought Pentagon said something about that.

Maybe I misread.

I can't find it.

It's not in this thread. But you know where it absolutely WOULD be?

In the scum PT from night one.

Oh no you don't, you don't get to backpedal away from THIS scumslip.

Red must have been lying unless there's somehow duplicate powers. Our ability is Jailkeeper as well.

Red didn't say SHIT itt. Neither did pentagon.

There's ZERO indication that either of them are claiming or even softing a roleblocker/jailkeeper action in the thread.

Go run both their ISOs. I'll wait.

Oh no you don't, you don't get to backpedal away from THIS scumslip.

I can't scum slip.

[Pentagon Shape]

I hate that we'll leave shots on the table.

I hope town gets it right in the end

.

If Green and diamond tracked me specifically then I believe Arrow's roleblock went through. Which means we successfully blocked Orange.

Can someone please hammer this?