open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[skitter30]

Would be exceptionally curious to hear why because I found basically nothing in his posting that you should be giving the benefit of the doubt to

- i can understand the perspective that he's behind and htat it's hard to provide real-time perspective given that (and that it must be rather *difficult* to catch up to the extent he wants given the pace of the game this whole game)
- idk if he hangs out in thread as he is rn as scum
- idk if he keeps telling people to vote one of himself/flow as scum to get an eod wagon

basically this +
- i think long-term he's more likely to be readable than flow
- i feel bad for badgering him so much (which you're gonna scoff at but it is what it is)

i would vote sleepless to ensure a wagon goes thru eod fwiw

pedit fair enuf
like i said before i would be down to do midway now as well

[Faker]

I see now, 2911. That will suffice, sorry skitter.

[Faker]

And you already restated it, doubly sorry.

[Faker]

like i said before i would be down to do midway now as well

Do you feel midway will be harder to read than Sleepless Assassin in the longrun?

[skitter30]

yes

[innocentvillager]

VOTE: midwaybear

[innocentvillager]

wouldn't it be really funny if these two wagons were both town and midway was scum and we were just wasting our time here

i think it would be

it would be a painful kind of funny, yeah.

it's really not that unlikely

[skitter30]

VOTE: midwaybear
caveat for this is that i need him to claim prior to deadline since he's higher up in the draft, if that doesn't look likely i'm switching back

[Sleepless Assassin]

I'm not voting either midway or sircakez unless it's last resort.

You've spoken about this as a practical matter, end-all ban on voting not-you & not-flow.

For the sake of humoring us, can you discuss your actual reads on the slot instead, without a necessity to vote them today attached?

You give two lines on midway, utilizing one quote, in your initial wall suggesting he is town for feeling solvey. The readwall in 1860 mentions going back and forth; this does not make it into your ISO elsewhere.

For Cakez, you don't weigh in at all in the initial wall. In the 1860 readswall, you mention that he seems town for his posts. The only other post that weighs in on Cakez is 2928, which again seems to be very vague and tonal. At one point you also mention never seeing him as scum, and 2578 just gives a brief "still town" read without further explanation.

You just referenced my answer to your own question. Midway I was lightly scumreading early on but came around and now say town. Sircakez has always been a weaker town read.

Working through your ISO, really not a fan again. You dodge many slots wholesale and flow is the only player you've gone to bat on recently, knowing well in advance how coinflippy of a player he is.

I've actually never played with flow trap.

I want to visit the innocentvillager scumread and how it progresses. You went to bat against them earlier, but a brief leads me to it cools into interactions much more selfserving.

Yes it cooled significantly. You're correct.

Meh. Resistance arguments mean absolutely nothing to me and are rarely actually meaningful

They can be useful after a scum flip if you can pinpoint who was resisting.

[innocentvillager]

there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town

there is too much resistance to a midway vote here for midway to be town

[Sleepless Assassin]

Ugh why are we even voting midway

[Datisi]

there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town

there is too much resistance to a midway vote here for midway to be town

there is too much resistance to a datisi vote here for datisi to be town

literally nobody is voting him wtf

[Faker]

I've actually never played with flow trap.

You know he is a coinflip because the spammy/jokey posts you are citing as the primary reason to scumread him has been repeatedly affirmed to be his meta and NAI at worst. One player you have gone out of your way to interact with and clearly respect deeply has cited it as a towntell for flow trap.

None of this has deterred you.

I am determined to see you flip.

[Datisi]

in all of my mafia career, a last-minute flashwagon hit scum ONCE

but it was such a high that i can't help but want to do it again

[midwaybear]

Ugh why are we even voting midway

you deserve an oscar

[Sleepless Assassin]

Look at midways handling of the two wagons.

He had a gut town read on flow, saw the wagon and went "meh maybe I could vote there" but stuck to the gut read and voted me instead. That's a natural thought process. That's not scum with an agenda.

[skitter30]

ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

[midwaybear]

That's not even my thought process. I don't townread flow anymore.

[Datisi]

ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea

is this not true for literally every single wagon in every game of mafia ever?

[innocentvillager]

Look at midways handling of the two wagons.

He had a gut town read on flow, saw the wagon and went "meh maybe I could vote there" but stuck to the gut read and voted me instead. That's a natural thought process. That's not scum with an agenda.

scum can fake whatever thought process they want if both you and flow are town

and if flow is town isn't that a great excuse to posture around ultimately voting you?

[midwaybear]

@Sleepless sorry if I sound frustrated at you. Your insistence on wanting to die just makes me think you are scum faking it lol

[Sleepless Assassin]

That's not even my thought process. I don't townread flow anymore.

I'm just saying the trajectory flows. I can see where you land on me instead of the guy your gut had as town early on.

[Sleepless Assassin]

@Sleepless sorry if I sound frustrated at you. Your insistence on wanting to die just makes me think you are scum faking it lol

I don't want to die. I want flow to die.

[Faker]

I'm taking a break to focus on collating the ISO from Sleepless. I'll review Midway and Datisi later.

[Sleepless Assassin]

In a perfect world, we eliminate flow, he flips scum, and I get cleared by a power role and carry us to back to back scum eliminations for a town win.