Micro 1044: A Normal Blitz V - Game Over

[Vanderscamp]

Yeah, Vanderscamp is just scum here.

I'm not!

What do you think I've said is scummy?

[Jacket]

Yeah, Vanderscamp is just scum here.

I'm not!

What do you think I've said is scummy?

It feels inauthentic.

[Jacket]

Townlist as of right now

shiki
Dorsey
Cape

[Vanderscamp]

I think Dorsey has the highest chance of being scum because I really didn't like their read that shiki was scum for not voting.
Having that read in the first place was somewhat fair, but the part I really didn't like was him maintaining the read when shiki gave a pretty strong justification for it, including stating that not voting is something she often does.
I think what shiki had to say around that period was probably the towniest anyone has been this game and I dislike that Dorsey didn't pick up on that.
My townread on shiki is stronger than my scumread on Dorsey.

I still dislike Jacket's defensiveness and his reads, but I'm less sold on this being scum indicative now and more thinking it is just his playstyle to take things too seriously. The biggest part of me gaining this read was when he said "congratulations" when someone said they thought he might be a serious player or whatever it was.

I'm also happy to sheep Umlaut's read saying that Datisi wouldn't say they didn't want to kill Umlaut but then voting there anyway for a minor town lean.

[Vanderscamp]

Yeah, Vanderscamp is just scum here.

I'm not!

What do you think I've said is scummy?

It feels inauthentic.

There's not too much I can say to this other than that you're wrong, happy to answer any actual questions you have for me though.

[Datisi]

Only players I haven't seen really criticized are bugspray and Cape (other than Looker's hate crime)

weren't people calling bugs scummy? and do you have an opinion on those players? (or like, anyone not named shiki)

[Datisi]

VOTE: vanders

ok i can join this

[Vanderscamp]

I don't have strong opinions on Dorsey but

Have there been any games where there were no scum slots assigned? Like everyone was town and didn't know it? I want to read that one.

Sorry, that really didn't progress this thread at all.

Both of these strike me as towny with one another, moreso on the ladder quote here

I also have Cape as light scum because this is a baffling read.

I think it's pretty unlikely that Cake and Dorsey are scum together though because of how bad the read is.

Cake did have the same conclusion of Shiki's townieness earlier which I did like so this read is not as strong.

[Jacket]

UNVOTE:

[shiki]

UNVOTE:

thoughts on datisi?

[Jacket]

UNVOTE:

thoughts on datisi?

Not much, really. LGW's fixation on my page 1 read was a little bizarre. Datisi's entry was all right, but not blown away.

[Datisi]

why did you unvote vanders then?

[Dorsey]

Only players I haven't seen really criticized are bugspray and Cape (other than Looker's hate crime)

weren't people calling bugs scummy? and do you have an opinion on those players? (or like, anyone not named shiki)

I do, but I doubt it'll be helpful or I would have given it already. But here goes...
Vander...I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me
Jacket...I like them but didn't want to broadcast it because they said they townread me. I was trying to emulate their reaction testing with Shiki but I don't have as many posts.
Bug...Doesn't really say much. I know you said people were calling them scum, but I didn't see much reaction.
Cape...I don't see a really telling connection with anyone. (They had unvoted Jacket but Micc just didn't catch it - had to get that off my chest)
Wheels/Datisi...Please don't make another cult. LGW struck me as a background character and I don't know what made them leave.
Looker...Minimal iso with vote shifts. I'm biased towards this behavior because I do the same thing unless I'm replacing in and there's already content.
Shiki...I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying.
Umlaut...Thought the E-1 was weird. Also leery of the pass given to Datisi for perceived contradiction or "madness", but I think that's just because I'm leery of Datisi.

[Dorsey]

O, that is ugly.

[Micc]

Votecount 1.03

Vanderscamp (2) -

Cape90, Datisi

Jacket (2) -

bugspray, Umlaut

Dorsey (1) -

Vanderscamp

shiki (1) -

Dorsey

Cape90 (1) -

Looker

Not Voting (2) -

shiki, Jacket

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2022-02-08 01:00:00).

[Jacket]

I think umlaut's read on Datisi is kind of bad.

[Jacket]

why did you unvote vanders then?

Thinking about things.

[Vanderscamp]

FWIW Dorsey my vote started as an RVS OMGUS but has since become real, and not because you voted me.

[Looker]

It's difficult to read through arguments and differentiate between who's potentially contradicting scum and who's just getting out-communicated. What did Vanderscamp do? Was it just the catch-up post?

[Datisi]

I think what shiki had to say around that period was probably the towniest anyone has been this game and I dislike that Dorsey didn't pick up on that.

this part personally rubs me the wrong way

it feels like a sorta stretchy reason for suspecting someone for not having a read they think they should have, and after (i think) no attempts to engage with dorsey about it

but yeah i don't have a whole lot more than ~vibes~ and i'm genuinely curious what jacket is thinking about right now

[Jacket]

It's difficult to read through arguments and differentiate between who's potentially contradicting scum and who's just getting out-communicated. What did Vanderscamp do? Was it just the catch-up post?

It's day 1, everything is just kind of a gut feeling that everyone is stretching to put into words. I just looked at his stuff and it felt inauthentic.

[Vanderscamp]

I think what shiki had to say around that period was probably the towniest anyone has been this game and I dislike that Dorsey didn't pick up on that.

this part personally rubs me the wrong way

it feels like a sorta stretchy reason for suspecting someone for not having a read they think they should have, and after (i think) no attempts to engage with dorsey about it

but yeah i don't have a whole lot more than ~vibes~ and i'm genuinely curious what jacket is thinking about right now

My main reason is that I feel that when shiki said "I often don't RVS vote as either alignment" that statement was obviously true regardless of alignment, on top of shiki sounding town anyway.

When Dorsey's opinion on it didn't change at all it made me think the read was fake.

[Vanderscamp]

I also have tried to engage with Dorsey about it, here:

Dorsey, you're doubling down here on suspecting shiki for not voting.

yea. u say u suspect cape, but all your questions are for jacket.

Do you think shiki is lying about this?:

and no of course not but i also do not think it was necessary for me to rvs vote ?

sometimes i rvs, i often do not, and otherwise i vote when i wish for the person i am voting to be eliminated,

[Umlaut]

I want to say shiki is town.

I don't even really believe in my Jacket vote any more so much as I just don't really have any scumreads rn so have no reason to move it. Someone sell me on something.

I think umlaut's read on Datisi is kind of bad.

What's bad about it?

[Umlaut]

Actually

VOTE: Dorsey

Not impressed with their ISO, read on Shiki seems shallow and as Vanderscamp pointed out oddly rigid, and if I take 187 seriously I have to conclude they are not currently voting their top scumread. Particularly note their read on Vander: "I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me," followed by their read on Shiki: "I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying." This former read looks like it's arguing for a Shiki-Vander team but the latter looks like they don't even believe that? This readlist does not show the sort of thought I expect from someone who actually means what they are saying.