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[JacksonVirgo]

I'm against mass claim on d2.

geraintm
MalcolmTucker
Andresvmb
JacksonVirgo
Save The Dragons

is the POE though

Solve by removing me and Malcome. Wham, 2/3 in there

[ItalianoVD]

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Greeting

[Rathe]

Quote redacted - player is not part of the game. - Greeting

[angela]

I'm against mass claim on d2.

it is currently day three

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm against mass claim on d2.

it is currently day three

:dead: :dead:

[geraintm]

i dont think jacksonvirgo is mafia it would make more sense for him to bus scorpius not heavily defend him the way he did

hmhmhm

it is like, if mafia,

they only needed one vote though

like when jacksonvirgo is fighting hard against the scorpious elimination there they would need one additional vote on geraintm, assuming geraintm town right

and jacksonvirgo angled almost exactly for that, in a way that did not really feel towny at all,

and but so enchant/nero cain were the only outstanding votes

and then nero said would hammer whoever was voted first

and enchant voted scorpious

and then jacksonvirgo went ahead and hammered before nero cain returned

as it's not like jacksonvirgo could be like, no i'll vote geraintm hammer this one instead! at that point

ya know?

this is good logic, and gets enchant a ton of town points. i cannot see me voting there today.

so there are nine players left
i am obviously excluding myself
and the people i have said i am town reading
leaving for me

Rathe
MalcolmTucker
Andante
Nero Cain
Save The Dragons

[MalcolmTucker]

I really do not think Jackson is mafia here. Andante/Scorpious were really going at each other midway through D2 to the point where I reckon Andante could've became a potential candidate for elimination if we were struggling. I don't think there's a benefit for mafia here in going all out against each other to create some distance between each other when it could backfire.

Jackson's play strikes me as a townie who just read Scorpious incredibly different from the player who had their slot beforehand. Yes it could be worth trying to save Scorpious - but why would Andante not take this approach beforehand as well?

[MalcolmTucker]

Granted, I know STD will likely say they had to opt for someone on D2 and none of their own preferred elimination candidates (mainly me or Rathe) were up for the chop as such, but their view on Geraint seemed to shift very suddenly in a way that could allow them to look like they were making a vote that was based on conviction and not just a last ditch attempt to save Scorpious.

Post 1636 criticises Geraint for their approach to the game and I personally think it was a fair point to make at the time, but also an easy one for mafia to jump onto without looking suspicious (as Scorpious did).

But post 2269 is then a lot more antagonistic toward Geraint in a way that doesn't feel particularly organic given previous reads. I'd argue the two main players pushing Geraint based on their play were me and Scorpious - the latter is confirmed mafia now and the former (myself) is someone STD suspects as being mafia.

If STD believes I'm mafia, why were they so willing to eliminate Geraint? I get you can have multiple lines of enquiry at the same time and you can acknowledge that if one of your suspects is guilty the other will be clean, but this doesn't appear to be something they've questioned or thought about at all. It was a nice easy vote to direct away from Scorpious.

[MalcolmTucker]

i wasn't saying you read are bad or anything i was pointing out you have a lot of {?} which i have a lot of {?} too

i tr kitty from play yesterday so just because i mentioned the doesn't mean that's the only thing i'm considering. we also agree nero is suspicious and potentially andante, and that ger is null, so i dunno why you're acting like my list is bad when we do have some common points

this is what i feel. it's not a wide pool, it's one more scumread than you. (@andres)

scum is in = {galron, nero, rathe, malcolmtucker}

null = {ger}

uncertain = {andante}

town = {rest}

These are some of STD's null reads on Geraint, it's pretty clear they didn't particularly suspect them at all. But when it came to placing their vote suddenly Ger's playing style (which had been largely NAI for them until then) was worthy of an elimination. What fundamentally changed?

[Enchant]

I a bit lurked, what i missed?

[MalcolmTucker]

I kinda disagree with a lot Nero has said throughout the game and I think their lack of a vote on D2 is suspicious, but their D1 push for Scorpious does seem fairly genuine and again not entirely advisable if mafia.

[geraintm]

sorry, i mised jackson from my list of suspects

[Andresvmb]

Can we get some more votes? I want to see how people are actually feeling. We’re being too shy about putting votes down this day phase.

[Andresvmb]

I ISO’ed STD btw and they made every soft defense of Scorpious that could have been made this game, and never voted there. When I (and others) were focused there early, they made a comment about how their eyes were glazing over and they didn’t think it was worth even debating (it clearly was). Then they obviously defended Scorpious mechanically by suggesting we don’t try and “outguess the Mod”. They of course did push geraintm hard when it was convenient and could avoid an execution of Scorpious. Like I think it’s obvious STD needs to get executed this game.

[MalcolmTucker]

I ISO’ed STD btw and they made every soft defense of Scorpious that could have been made this game, and never voted there. When I (and others) were focused there early, they made a comment about how their eyes were glazing over and they didn’t think it was worth even debating (it clearly was). Then they obviously defended Scorpious mechanically by suggesting we don’t try and “outguess the Mod”. They of course did push geraintm hard when it was convenient and could avoid an execution of Scorpious. Like I think it’s obvious STD needs to get executed this game.

Agreed, there are one or two minor disagreements or tiffs between them here and there but they never go anywhere. Quite notable STD was both very much not willing to get rid of Scorpious but never mounted a committed or deliberate defence and instead suddenly happened to suspect their main rival for elimination on D2.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

[MalcolmTucker]

I will add, we should hold off hammering anytime soon if the votes start to pile up, I think D3 will mostly be useful for trying to figure out a potential third partner if STD is seen as the most viable elimination.

[Andresvmb]

i feel like we're getting distracted in crap that doesn't matter and ignoring what does matter like voting rathe

ok it's not crap per se but my eyes are glazing over and it's hard to focus on this "it's a joke it's not a joke it's a percent it's a lie it's not a lie" convo going on

Scorpious

i think it's entirely possible they're a town mailman, but the friendly neighbor information does make me wary. i think they're town based on play though.

This is what I’m talking about specifically.

[Greeting]

I will do a VC in about 4-5 hours.

Sorry, VC might have to wait a bit longer.

[MalcolmTucker]

As I've said from the start as well, STD's push on Rathe has been both consistent but fairly weak - they've never really dropped it, perhaps because they reckon they need to come across as having some strong reads, but there's never been much conviction or an attempt to actually push for elimination at all. Just feels a bit like mafia going through the motions.

[Andresvmb]

i think i believe the scorpius claim and that he was just likely blocked or something

why did you target angela, scorp

D1 angela was pretty town tho

These are STD’s posts regarding Scorpious’ claim.

[MalcolmTucker]

i feel like we're getting distracted in crap that doesn't matter and ignoring what does matter like voting rathe

ok it's not crap per se but my eyes are glazing over and it's hard to focus on this "it's a joke it's not a joke it's a percent it's a lie it's not a lie" convo going on

Scorpious

i think it's entirely possible they're a town mailman, but the friendly neighbor information does make me wary. i think they're town based on play though.

This is what I’m talking about specifically.

In the same last post there STD was also null on geraint. Funny how that changed pretty quickly.

[Andresvmb]

outguessing the mod/setup is dangerous

i've seen a neighborhood with 2 traitors in it they flipped one and assumed the other was town. i also saw a game with 3 mafia doctors in it. both are considered normal.

i could see a mailman and a friendly neighbor in the same setup as town

And this is the outguessing the Mod post I talked about.

[Andresvmb]

I just think all of this is pretty damning. I don’t see a need to look elsewhere at present.

[MalcolmTucker]

Re 1636 as well - I find it interesting how STD sort of backs away from giving a definitive read on both Galron (now Enchant?) and Nero as well.

"Wary" of Galron but again this has never really been pushed or taken any further. Easy way to potentially create some distance or sow some doubt as to them being teammates but never developed upon. Likewise with Nero, "worried" about their lack of contribution but mostly just doesn't remember what they've done all game.

Same could go for Jackson as well based on that post - "nothing to convince" them the slot is town, however never really pushed it at all.

It's weird readslist because almost everyone who isn't confirmed town comes under some level of suspicion, but there are no major pushes after this except for Geraint, who was battling to stay in the game against a now confirmed mafia player.

[Andresvmb]

Does anyone have a contrarian view? Could STD just have been wrong? What do we feel about Rathe?