micro 1049: taking it bit by bit (endgame)

[Flea The Magician]

This is going to be mayhem isn't it...

[Flea The Magician]

This is going to be mayhem isn't it...

hello!

i think i know you, am i right on that?

You do know me, you also know one or two of my alts/hydras too

[Flea The Magician]

I like everyone who's posted so far except for Flea.

flea why don't you like mayhem?

-A

...
Amma let you just sit that with that question. :3

[Flea The Magician]

mistyx's response is so odd i can't work out if it's scummy or not

oh i'm just getting warmed up

Datisi, why should i townread your opening, when i have been easily able to in the past?

If datisi really is town ill be able to find him, trying to fight back against my read rn wont change it

Also ~ i am able to read you decently too ari and i dont townread you either.

Spew more thought processes , less surface level omgus statements and we can talk :3

Idk fam do u think i am that stubborn

.... you're not?

[Flea The Magician]

This is going to be mayhem isn't it...

hello!

i think i know you, am i right on that?

You do know me, you also know one or two of my alts/hydras too

yeah i was pretty sure on that id guess but you asked me not to say it so i didn't

hope you've been well!

As well as I can be, Whats your thoughts so far? If memory serves you're usually pretty solid with read rates.

[Flea The Magician]

also I really doubt town!you begins by immediately shit-shoving us right away

Ha-ha-ha.

ikr

[Flea The Magician]

You also have a history of using aggression to fuck with the reads of people who you think are good at playing town so this fits your scum MO to a T.

-A

Funny thing is, I've been on the recieving end of this as town from town.

Wanna back up these claims?

[Flea The Magician]

Loving this bait attempt, ngl.

*monches poopcorn*

[Flea The Magician]

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=88941

^

You discussing how hyperposting is bad



You should know this game state is not conducive for town figuring things out

yet you continue to spam this thread and harass me for reads/comments that you know I'm unable to form because literally 99% of my energy is spent responding to you and you have deprived this game of any oxygen for other people to breathe and play.

so if you are town here shut up and I will return the favor and let's let everyone else play the game.

-A

Including the names bit is good btw.

Also HURT: Logic and Literature

[Flea The Magician]

hi flea, whats your view of the game rn?
Im a bit nervous because you took this "soft buddy" approach to me in the astral plane game and you ended up flipping scum, but my gut does feel you are town.

You I'm completely null on, you're doing what you do best at this point and it's entirely NAI for you.

L&L - Vibe checks are failing.

[Flea The Magician]

oops




I have no interest in continuing to enable Koba's ridiculous shit-tunnel spam tactics.

If they actually cared about solving the game they would be quiet and let other people play the game.

-A

You know you could have disengaged at any time?
You say Koba's not been acting in good faith but they said that when they started the dig at you. You genuinely look like the person trying to deny taking the cookies while your hand is in the jar here.

[Flea The Magician]

Remember when pooky and i tunneled norwee for like 20 pages then decided he was town lol

that was painful. Like genuinely that was so painful, I got whiplash from that -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Kennyk

no rce noo

VOTE: Kennyk

67 is super weird but ok UNVOTE:

no stop unvote is town too!!!

once again why are you not voting flea? is there nobody you think is worth pushing except Kenny? youre lookin for 2 remember

Oh good someone chose to come at me.

[Flea The Magician]

contrarily, i'm confused by why rce didn't come at you !

Tried using chess notation?

Worst's Pawn RCE to Flea's King.

[Flea The Magician]

is this what en passant feels like???

but no seriously this isn't chessmastery. i'll happily come for u when the time is right. i'm very overtly confused that rce picked you of everyone to comment on the strangeness of then has followed it up by unvoting rather than circling back to you.

nah that just feels freaking awful and honestly I hate it as a move.

and coward.

[Flea The Magician]

Like really, if you are town here, you need to disengage.

I have been trying to ignore and disengage from you

You keep harassing me.

-A

Aa yes...

Just yeet Koba

this is either scum shitpush or town hardthrowing

either way it is ++++town!EV to get rid of them

-A

Right now you're keeping the fire alight. Stop it.

I also think applying the rule of 3 to a MBoS game is somewhat silly but if we have a third n1 vig, one of the three is probably a mafia vigilante or at least informed scum (last I knew schadd really liked doing neat things with informdd roles)

I don't think any of them are maf vig tbh. 3 is so much neg town util and while I'd probably shoot L&L with 3 I'd also holster.

Also what lucidity I had has faded so going to struggle to interact.
TW has done this to me before, and I'll always scum read this kinda play.

[Flea The Magician]

me: flea reads you as scum *quotes 3 posts where flea expresses L+L are scummy*

you: explain the read

me, who is not flea: ???????????

i really do wonder what the hurt tag meant if not a scumread according to you ROFL

I'm asking you for Flea's thought process

If you want to express a townread on Flea for scumreading me - you would have to think Flea's read of me is genuine - which would require you being able to explain Flea's thought process for scumreading me.

Aint nobody wanna know how that wrks btw.

And this is a weird ass fucking question from someone who's been screaming abuse all dang game.

[Flea The Magician]

me: flea reads you as scum *quotes 3 posts where flea expresses L+L are scummy*

you: explain the read

me, who is not flea: ???????????

i really do wonder what the hurt tag meant if not a scumread according to you ROFL

I'm asking you for Flea's thought process

If you want to express a townread on Flea for scumreading me - you would have to think Flea's read of me is genuine - which would require you being able to explain Flea's thought process for scumreading me.

Aint nobody wanna know how that wrks btw.

And this is a weird ass fucking question from someone who's been screaming "[i'm being] abuse[d]" all dang game.

[Flea The Magician]

The fact that you are unable to answer this question and continue to dodge shows you did not do any evaluation of Flea SRing me.

Which implies you don't care if Flea is scum who is encouraging you to push me.

Wanna pull your head out your bung hole before I genuinely find reason to start? Like my health is causing some serious issues at the moment so when I get glimpses of being able to game I'm gaming.

You have done nothing but play victim to Koba's pushes this game and while they've been entirely honest in how they've poked at you, you have been so disingenuous in your most recent push.

You tell me why I SR you. Read back through your posts, and through mine, and tell me why I SR you.

Lets see if you can actually see any light.

[Flea The Magician]

@rce, flea, bugspray, enchant (whoever is town in this category) - please be wary that you're low content, haven't done a lot, and you are hard to townread but currently very easy to pocket.
dkkoba isn't able to explain their reads on any of you with any degree of depth, but their confidence level is increasing rapidly. this isn't sincere.

Ah yes, be aware that I'm low post, low content (I mean I'm not high content but I've got content) and hard to townread...

Meanwhile I can be high post, high content and impossible to town read too. Soooo ya know....

You've not exactly done much either ya know except poke at a couple bits that might get you townie points.

[Flea The Magician]

*inane cackling*

ok, so. i skimmed the last few pages that happened while i was asleep. and every single post of koba that i saw has made me irrationally angry. so, in an effort to (1) promote a solving mindset and atmosphere and (2) not get banned for toxicity, i'm gonna go through everyone else's iso and give my thoughts and utterly ignore anything they've said. cool? cool.

Let the savagery commence.

bugspray

- a whooping total of 4 posts, uhhh.... i think this is a scumlean? i don't really care about the early vt claim or whatever, but if i had to rank bugs somewhere, i'd say they're a scumlean because (1) i think town!bugs is excited to try to crack setups open, so the fact that they reacted so weakly and disinterestedly to the claims in 23 is concerning, (2) i think that town!them would be more willing to try to break up the fight, or at least yell at me/my slot for prolonging it, while scum!bugs wouldn't give two shits because realistically, why would they

Scum reading someone for low posting in a game you claim has been under a stranglehold by someone you're attempting to batter down persistently through an abuse tactic. Nice read.
0/10

enchant

- don't feel strongly one way or another, i don't think they've really left their scumrange or anything... i'd put them as the smollest of leantowns due to not realizing that i am a part of a hydra, and i *assume* there would've been talk about us in the scum pt, but this isn't something that's guaranteed or terribly difficult to fake so wtv

Not out of scumrange but thinks enchant reads the maf pts and whats happened is easily fakeable so tl.
0/10

flea the magician

- eh. kind of concerning that flea has spent most of faer time here discussing thing that are evidently not related to alignments of players at all. i don't count the hurt tags or the "vibe check are failing" because if you scumread me, vote me. hurt tags take more time to type than vote tags, so i'm assuming that's not a scumread. would kill this slot too, i guess.

See Dats knows what happens when I get locked in a tunnel - and part of the problem is I got a gutping. And it's the kind of gutping I get people hate because it's literally "caught for no reason"
Given I also have a bad habit of SR'ing him regular it's potential I'm a threat here this game.
Who said the hurt tag didn't have an effect? It's an MBoS game.
Oh also you know you can't see YOLO with an ascetic claim...

kennyk

- still absolutely hate the poor attempts at shading us for the ascetic claim, but if i'm trying to be rational, i *can* see it coming from town because i know how it looks like when townies *think* they know mech but they really don't. i strongly disagree that kenny's conclusion was arrived at in a clearly townie manner or whatever but ok. 249 strikes me as not an awful post. the jury is still out, though.

Lots oh uhm'ing and ah'ing to say you don't know.
0/10

mistyx

- i'm curious why you find enchant's vibes to be the best as of 153? otherwise, this slot feels... empty. there's no glaring red flags that make me scumread her but i also don't think anything she's done so far would be particularly hard to fake. uh, the vote on bugs and the silence that continued is a bit worrying, i guess? yeah, i don't have much.

I need to poke Misty more myself actually. Shame it all got swept up in Karen-esque shenanigans.
Also "Nothing scummy but nothing townie but MAAAAYBE..."
0/10

rcenigma

- i'm confused why you backed off from kenny as quick as you did. otherwise, i'd say i'm slightly leaning towards town here? the kind-of-mech-but-not-really speculation on why koba is town feels sincere, and also unnecessary for rcenigma to make as scum (regardless if koba is his partner or not). there is one thing that's worrying me about this slot, but for now i think it would be better for me to wait and see how the day continues before i attempt to push at it.

So townreading with intent to push later maybe?
yeah ok
0/10

the worst

- it did strike me as a bit weird that duckie thought i was still dead null in 257. objectively, do i think i have done anything ai up to that point? no, not really. but the impression i have of duck is that he can read my mind better than i can and that he would've been able to astrally divine some sort of alignment-information out of my posts there if town. idk if that makes sense but it makes sense in my head. curious why you voted bugspray in 273? (i know this seems like a trivial question, but bear with me.) and in the world where both me and koba are town, 380 worries me *a lot*, for the very simple reason that it seems like duck has spent a lot of time saying how he doesn't think koba is necessarily being scummy, to then turn around and go "they're not sincere!!!" in a way that implies they are scummy for not being sincere. like, either their insincerity is nai because it's just a thing they do, or it's scummy. can't have it both ways. i haven't really seen much town!indicative from duck (and this might be because i don't know what it is that duck could do that would be outside their scumrange) but etc etc hopefully i figure it out at some point.

-10/10
That's a lot of text to say someone is null.

taking questions from anyone not named koba.

Do both heads agree on this reads list?
Do you often attempt to use abusive manipulation tactics to drown out a game and try and discredit someone?
Do you actually have any strong reads list?
Do you think you're going to survive N1?
Do you actually think you can do something other than make shitpushes on Koba?

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs if you're town give me a GTH read you got, I know you're a slow starter usually but I wanna see something.

Misty, why Bugs?

Kenny I need to read you, got anything spicy?

Enchant, hi.

[Flea The Magician]

Hi Flea, what's up.

Same shiz new day. Genuinely can't read you at all so honestly not going to bother trying lol

[Flea The Magician]

flea seems to be playing in a way that seems *designed* to get on my nerves. which means this is probably town!flea. and in an attempt to avoid another yin-and-yang situation, i'm not gonna be commenting on literally every single thing fae has said. will say that "scumreading bugs for lowposting" is such a simplified version of my read it veers into being false, and a lot of "wow you don't have a lot of thoughts on this person but you still wrote words" is like, yeah, duh? i never claimed i did? the point was to start some productive discussion somewhere, not chug out a solve.

Do both heads agree on this reads list?
Do you often attempt to use abusive manipulation tactics to drown out a game and try and discredit someone?
Do you actually have any strong reads list?
Do you think you're going to survive N1?
Do you actually think you can do something other than make shitpushes on Koba?

nope, i did it without any input from ari. i have no clue where she stands.
not often.
nope, i would've said if i did.
if i live to n1, probably.
noting the loaded question, pointing at the wall i made in an effort to get something going that's not gonna involve screaming to koba.

-D

Oh the last question was retorical and was with the intent to see if either of you would bite the bait.
And my playstyle annoys a lot of people, honestly I'm past caring about that at this point. I do my thing and my thing honestly changes game by game.

And yes, it's a simplification but it is accurate.
The thing for me is the level of OVER explaination. It's not a thought process you have, it doesn't flow as one. It's a composed read explaination which is far more than is needed at this stage of the game.

"scumreading bugs for lowposting" is such a simplified version of my read it veers into being false

actually i will go a bit deeper into this

i have played with town!bugs in games that were shitfests. the first game i can come up with is that chain of command game that georgebailey modded where i got into a huge fight with noraa early. in that game, not only did bugs not refrain from posting, they were actively scolding me for being inflammatory. bugs and i are friends outside of game, and i don't think they'd hesitate to tell me when i'm being a pos. here, they're not doing that. now, i know one game is not proof of like, anything, but it's a starting point that i want to poke at. so the "wow you're scumreading someone for not posting in a toxic environment that you have created" is *technically* true, but there is way more nuance there than simply "this person lurk so they scum lol"

-D

So my experience with bugs is rep-meta. Which I hate, honestly. Bugs as town is low effort ramping up. Bugs as scum, rep out/inactive.
4 posts at the moment fits in both metas.

When you get a chance, push A to make a reads list, I wanna try something, will come clean after, promise.

[Flea The Magician]

Its only misyeet to lose if we have more than 2 vigs who fire tonight. Ones claimed and is holstering, one I can't remember. I'd be tempted to shoot ngl but thats me.

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs if you're town give me a GTH read you got, I know you're a slow starter usually but I wanna see something.

Misty, why Bugs?

Kenny I need to read you, got anything spicy?

Enchant, hi.

I have some red hot chili peppers (the vegetable, not the band). But I am not sure how they will help you reading me.

Share and then we find out, lets find out if you got bargin basement chillies or if you got some good wasabi or reapers.

[Flea The Magician]

Misty, why Bugs?

slot's not doing anything

wcs they see the pressure and come back in and start making their alignment obvious, otherwise we get someone who isn't doing and is plausibly scum out

If we're honest, neither if yours. You're very passive and its worrying me.

[Flea The Magician]

Eugh.
Need to catch up. Will do so when I'm home.
Yes I'm prodging, no intent to hammer here

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah bugs is either making a solid meta change or is town here.

[Flea The Magician]

k I'm here and lucid.
Lets do this.

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I'll have a look over Misty's ISO but I really don't remember anything standind out to me.

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i wouldn't even call it a policy i think going "oh i'll catch up later" then never doing it is just straight up a scumtell

Well fuck I'm just lockscum then with the amount of times I'd do this.

Eugh.
Need to catch up. Will do so when I'm home.
Yes I'm prodging, no intent to hammer here

I passed tf out ngl.
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koba is actually scum here VOTE: koba

Gimme the lowdown bugs cause I ain't vibing on this one. I'm thinkin Koba's town (and this reminds me theres a post somewhere I need to answer.)

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Also as another request -> would you be willing to talk to me about your read on the worst? I want to see your perspective on that slot as I feel that we are mindmelding on many things in this game - and not just superficially like in Astral Plane, where that was just us being the target of an aggressive player lashing out at everyone.

Found it. TW's vibe seems to be trying to push me without actually psuhing me. There's definitly an attempt to get a wagon going on me but there's no case, no vote, a few loose thoughts maybe but there's absolutely nothing consistent in the behaviour and push.

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I think it might just be enchant + tw.

I think Flea is going to shoot us tonight so thankfully I will not have to be alive to talk to Koba anymore.

Dats is a bit busy so I haven't really had a chance to talk things out with him.

-A

Why would I do that?
Better yet how would I do that?

Also I wanna know where your reads are at. Dats has given us a clue, I've not seen owt from you yet.

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Yeah bugs is either making a solid meta change or is town here.

meta change?
They tend to primarily effort as scum.

Slanky scum in my experience with them.

[Flea The Magician]

Yeah I'm not seeing where Misty is screamed town but I can vibe with a lean there.

[Flea The Magician]

Why would I do that?
Better yet how would I do that?

your question of "do you think you will survive night one?"

felt like you were telling me you would murder us at night.(I imagine it would be a vig or a delayed day-poison?)

You would do it because you think we are mafia.


-A

Not the answer I was looking for, but now I know your mindset.

[Flea The Magician]

Dats thinks this is just how town!flea treats him.

I cannot break the sus and it's so frustrating for both of us ngl.

VOTE: kennyk

Do tell, why?

[Flea The Magician]

I cannot break the sus and it's so frustrating for both of us ngl.

It is not really frustrating for me - it is more or less expected atp.

-A

Given it's between me and dats, frankly I couldn't care less about if you expect it or not.

Fortunately for me at least, it's not Dats whos throwing off the big scumz vibe today.

[Flea The Magician]

Why would I do that?
Better yet how would I do that?

your question of "do you think you will survive night one?"

felt like you were telling me you would murder us at night.(I imagine it would be a vig or a delayed day-poison?)

You would do it because you think we are mafia.


-A

I guess Flea predicting a mayhem night one might early in this game might have played a part in this, too. This to me indicated a night activity of some sorts from Fleas side (pontentially a n1 vig, too?). As far as i remember, this was mentioned earlier and so far not denied by Flea. Did fea (I hope I used the right pronoun here) forget, that fea hinted at a claim earlier and tries to deny it now?

This feels kind of strange. Not enough to put my vote there (yes, I try to be careful with my votes), but Flea is clearly on my list of possible scummies now.

Near enough for me.

The thing is I'm not going to confirm or deny anything.
I saw 2 N1 vig claims, an aesetic claim and I can't remember if the now retracted lightning rod claim was around that time.
These games are also always beautifully chaotic.

So you tell me, am I claiming something? Or am I throwing up dust against the scum to cloud who their shot should be?
Everyone on this list bar you and Ari have played with me before, everyone knows what I bring and that what I bring ebbs and flows with my mood.

Lets go back to the post you quoted, what do you see there, Kenny?

[Flea The Magician]

Why would I do that?
Better yet how would I do that?

your question of "do you think you will survive night one?"

felt like you were telling me you would murder us at night.(I imagine it would be a vig or a delayed day-poison?)

You would do it because you think we are mafia.


-A

I guess Flea predicting a mayhem night one might early in this game might have played a part in this, too. This to me indicated a night activity of some sorts from Fleas side (pontentially a n1 vig, too?). As far as i remember, this was mentioned earlier and so far not denied by Flea. Did fea (I hope I used the right pronoun here) forget, that fea hinted at a claim earlier and tries to deny it now?

This feels kind of strange. Not enough to put my vote there (yes, I try to be careful with my votes), but Flea is clearly on my list of possible scummies now.

Near enough for me.

The thing is I'm not going to confirm or deny anything.
I saw 2 N1 vig claims, an aesetic claim and I can't remember if the now retracted lightning rod claim was around that time.
These games are also always beautifully chaotic.

So you tell me, am I claiming something? Or am I throwing up dust against the scum to cloud who their shot should be?
Everyone on this list bar you and Ari have played with me before, everyone knows what I bring and that what I bring ebbs and flows with my mood.

Lets go back to the post you quoted, what do you see there, Kenny?

The lightning rod claim was retraced at the time of your "mayhem post" and the ascetic claim not yet there. Both facts don't matter though (I guess), because I don't see how an ascetic could cause mayhem n1 and in the Enchant claim/retract I am not too sure which is serious and which is for the lolz.

It all looked like a hint of a claim to me. As to what your motive for that was, I am not sure. Could be throwing dust at scum. Could be you are what you hint to be and hope that scum thinks you are throwing dust at them. Could be scum throwing dust at town. ...

Going back to the post I quoted I see a conclusion that is potentially false (thanks for making me look again. Didn't see it the first time). Your question "Do you think you're going to survive N1?" could have many directions. LaL not surviving n1 could have many causes:
a) You being vig and thinking LaL is scum. (I don't see why you would ask this question if you intended to do so)
b) Any other vig having the same thought process (for example Koba, despite the holstering claim).
c) Any vig who had enough of the LaL/Koba thing and wants to get rid of at least one of them.
d) Scum getting rid of one player. (Everyone can go through her/his/their/faer own list of why scum would do this. There are too many potential options I have time for right now)

I have also played MBoS and other schadd games before - they're all amazing ftr and beautifully chaotic. Going back, that's 2 N1 vig claims and a retracted lightning rod claim. that's chaotic af and I still love it.

I'll go back to my intent with it.
There's 3 ways to answer it
"No, I think I'm getting vigged."
"No, I think I'm going to get NK'd."
"Yes."

Two of those tell me "This person thinks they're towny"
One tells me they're thinking they're scummy.

It also gives me some insight to the players mindset.
I mean no disrespect to Ari here but there's a Karen mindset there currently.
THEY are the victim, and everyone else is there to cause shit for them.
I've no intent to act with Ari any further as a result which is not good, it stops me attempting to solve and it stops me reevaluating if they're being set up to fall.
Which blows, honestly.

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs and titus - Titus especially - Whats your thoughts on the current game state?

Titus whats with the Kenny vote?

Koba you've gone quiet, whats happenin?

Dats you good? I can't work with Ari and you're quiet too :/

RCE curious about your setup spec, wanna throw it out for all to see and let Misty get there when she gets there?

[Flea The Magician]

I strongly doubt everyone is a vigilante, because that is breakable just by getting everyone to shoot one above/below them.

I wouldn't put it past scum to be BP.

But we do have a claimed asectic.

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Logic and Lit

Kewl. This is where I go for now then.

[Flea The Magician]

Meanwhile I'm on the inverse of that.

[Flea The Magician]

Ascetic.

[Flea The Magician]

N1 Vig - Koba, Misty, Flea, Titus, Enchant
Ascetic - LaL

[Flea The Magician]

I mean I never actually claimed but yeah

Duck has flown away and we have the lovely Moon Queen instead

[Flea The Magician]

The problem is we have 2 days and a potential standoff.

I'm going to call it now, nobody shoots and we play as normal, Koba's got the right idea to be honest.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, I actually am.

OK so basic break, everyone shoots the person below them.
If scum are together on the list, scum wins.
LaL are todays elimination as the odd claim out (which hasn't been retracted)

if everyone shoots we all have to agree to shoot the one below or above. And lets face it enchant you're too chaotic a being to agree to that. Because I wouldn't want to either.

[Flea The Magician]

Eh I'd rather vote you out and formulate a n1 plan but noted.

You have a day and half.
Go for it.

[Flea The Magician]

yeah, I actually am.

OK so basic break, everyone shoots the person below them.
If scum are together on the list, scum wins.
LaL are todays elimination as the odd claim out (which hasn't been retracted)

if everyone shoots we all have to agree to shoot the one below or above. And lets face it enchant you're too chaotic a being to agree to that. Because I wouldn't want to either.

didnt bugs also claim vt

we have more than one odd claim out

We can do both.

[Flea The Magician]

So like I guess my first draft plan would be

DK - Titus cross shoot
RCE - Enchant cross shoot
Flea - Mistyx cross shoot

Kenny/LaL/Bug in eLo
Town left alive with a scum dead is an added win but unlikely. I don't really care about wifom if it put scum in a losing position.
Town left alive with a town dead is whatever, rogue vigs are a thing but it validates shots taken within a pairing.

Nope.
Scum will likely have a protection against this number of vigilantes and honestly I wouldn't put it past the setup to be all town or some blank.
Misty doesn't sit in my suspects at the moment and I don't see any reason why it would be me or her when the best option is to holster and make it a near-nilla game

[Flea The Magician]

I'm absolutely holstering. Now I know theres a stupid number there's no way in hell I'm firing.

[Flea The Magician]

Holstering or shooting LaL.
Be warned.

[Flea The Magician]

We still got like 30 hours but ya know.

[Flea The Magician]

I holstered.
Lost my nerve when I saw how the votes landed at EoD

[Flea The Magician]

Hah

ok

Setup looks to be Mafia Goons against Neopolitans/Asectics/Vigs

So anyone flagging as vanilla is technically a guilty check with the Asectics potentially throwing up as millers essentially.

We have 6 vig claims if memory serves, 1 asc and 2 soft cops.

I'm 100% betting scum in vig claims - possibly 1 in the soft cops.

FL curious why you pick me out for reanalysis?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm 100% betting scum in vig claims - possibly 1 in the soft cops.

I realise this is obvious and fluff, its 2am and I'm just dumping what I'm thinking in here rn.

[Flea The Magician]

Has to be a modified neap for that... also means this game is screwier than usual for a MBoS.

[Flea The Magician]

N1 Vig -

Koba,

Misty, Flea,

Titus,

Enchant, RCE
Ascetic -

LaL

Neapol - Bugs, FL

[spoiler="Noting some weird for later".]

i dont think i need to read past page 5 tbh i have caught scum we can yeet this slot rn pl0x

also i dont think the n1 vig claim is real, i think scum is informed of the existence of an n1 vig and during pregame the scum colluded to make that nut button claim

DUCK ARE YOU A VANILLA TOWNIE? PLEASE TELL ME I WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE HIDING UNDER MY COVERS STRESS EATING TONIGHR

I knew the ascetic was real. I'm an odd night Neapolitan which is why I was s so sure of it

First post indicates disbelief in claims, I would take this as a crumb to target worst slot, confirms believing the asc claim but not the vig claim?[/spoiler]

I think we aim inside the Vig pool today. So me, misty, enchant and RCE.

[Flea The Magician]

We need everyone else to check in before much else can happen I think

[Flea The Magician]

i dont think i need to read past page 5 tbh i have caught scum we can yeet this slot rn pl0x

also i dont think the n1 vig claim is real, i think scum is informed of the existence of an n1 vig and during pregame the scum colluded to make that nut button claim

DUCK ARE YOU A VANILLA TOWNIE? PLEASE TELL ME I WON'T BE THE ONLY ONE HIDING UNDER MY COVERS STRESS EATING TONIGHR

I knew the ascetic was real. I'm an odd night Neapolitan which is why I was s so sure of it

First post indicates disbelief in claims, I would take this as a crumb to target worst slot, confirms believing the asc claim but not the vig claim?

OK I'm not half asleep now so I'm poking on this.

Bugs why would you believe the asc claim but not the vig claim?

[Flea The Magician]

hi i rolled the one role that i absolutely abhor and i cant even holster it so im just going to claim that im a night 1 vig outright because fuck yall im not using it.

i think my setup spec was right, lol. the subtitle of this game appears to be ironic. i suspect n1 will be madness.

hi i rolled the one role that i absolutely abhor and i cant even holster it so im just going to claim that im a night 1 vig outright because fuck yall im not using it.

are we really doing this

i also claim n1 vig

if everyone is an n1 vig there is probably an optimal way to do this

which i am not going to out just yet

Relevant posts up to that point.

if everyone is an n1 vig there is probably an optimal way to do this

which i am not going to out just yet

I keep coming back to this with Mystyx. I felt this was off when I read it, but this requires scum to be informed of the vig's, and if Bugspray is scum, they definitely knew of a Neapolitan. That's what RCE said essentially.

If scum was informed of a lot of vig's, then actually, double vig claim can make some sense for scum to do, and in that scenario, I think it's always Mystyx and one of the other 2, probably RCE.

How's everyone else feeling about Flea? I felt like they were bleeding town.

I think it's just Bugspray/Mystyx tbh. Occam's razor.

I am concerned about how often you're asking for peoples thoughts on me.

[Flea The Magician]

it does, but doesn't sit well with me so much because it shows to me that you seem to be openly looking for assurance on your or potential support on a later drive.
I know my own weaknesses and inconsistencies in my play and know they make me perfectly exploitable later on.

[Flea The Magician]

How do you see FL/bugs here Misty?

[Flea The Magician]

How do you see FL/bugs here Misty?

Like how are you seeing this pairing?

[Flea The Magician]

If I go GTH I'd call it as Bugs/{Enchant/Enigma} currently. Has everyone checked in?

[Flea The Magician]

Did you read game at all

Probably more than you ever will.

[Flea The Magician]

Explain which bit?

[Flea The Magician]

Why i am mafia.

Vibes.

I'm not going digging because there's nothing to dig up at the moment.


Bugs wanna tell more?

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs and Enigma is where I'm at then.

Has been a foggy day...

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs and Enigma is where I'm at then.

Has been a foggy day...

What makes Enigma over Mystyx for you?

Misty feels genuine in our limited interactions so far

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Bugspray

Bugspray has just been creating a 1v1 with me all day phase, they're staying away from the Enigma/Mystyx stuff.

there is no reason to engage with anyting other than my current read because i am certian it is correct

do you have no concerns about the fact that you are very likely to lose this 1v1

How so? I'm leaning to vote Bugs here because they're not exactly throwing much out thats catching my eye.

[Flea The Magician]

Means people are either aware of my status as perpetual LHF and are openly voicing intent to yeet me later, or people are aware of my status that my townier games are usually my scum games.

[Flea The Magician]

Could also be genuine oopsie. I find those harder to believe lately.

[Flea The Magician]

Bugs you still convinced of this 1vs1?

[Flea The Magician]

i policy suspect kenny because players i forget about and don't consider in my reads often turn out to be scum

Also can you expand on this?

[Flea The Magician]

kewl, and thoughts on this 1vs you're locked in to?

[Flea The Magician]

You're going to need to sell me on that and you're going to struggle to ngl Bugs.

Especially given FL replaced Kenny.

[Flea The Magician]

To be fair bugs, you're not helping your own situation here.

No thoughts on FL being the kenny replacement? That change anything anywhere?

[Flea The Magician]

To be fair bugs, you're not helping your own situation here.

No thoughts on FL being the kenny replacement? That change anything anywhere?

it just means i'm more right. i scumread them independently for good reasons

my opponent is scum

i policy suspect kenny because players i forget about and don't consider in my reads often turn out to be scum

Also can you expand on this?

in a lot of mafia games i played when i was trying to form poes the most forgettable players that i would not even consider turned out to be scum

VOTE: Bugspray

Bugspray has just been creating a 1v1 with me all day phase, they're staying away from the Enigma/Mystyx stuff.

there is no reason to engage with anyting other than my current read because i am certian it is correct

also omgus

i suspect leaf is scum informed of the presence of a neoeptlitan because schad would not make two odd night neapols for a single ascetic

VOTE: flavor leaf

Wait okay leaf either has the same role as me or is lying and is informed scrum

But I softed and tried to find people I could confirm

If this setup truly has no vt I will be angy at the fish man because that is bastard!!!!

I knew the ascetic was real. I'm an odd night Neapolitan which is why I was s so sure of it

Can you see why I'm not biting bugs?

[Flea The Magician]

I'm hoping bugs is going to give me something that says this is TvT...

-.-; I think I've more odds of winning the lotto at this point :/

[Flea The Magician]

Dangit FL

I knew my Sus was legit and once again I ignored my gut -.-;

[Flea The Magician]

I was praying and hoping Bugs was going to give me more townvibes to wrk with, I was thinking TvT for a while and was sure this was townbugs but my gut was "this is SvsT"... -.-; wugh.