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in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Not for vanilla cops.In post 7026, Nero Cain wrote:
in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?
Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.
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the stuff about wolf-cop interaction and what a hirsute is if it's more than a miller (I doubt it is) needs to be updatedOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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oh no, this was about this gunsmiths saying that they don't get gun from wolf. not vanilla cop. There's a chance the Dunn is legit not understanding his role b/c info is scarce but I think he's just trying to bullshit us.In post 7027, Nashville Dreams wrote:
Not for vanilla cops.In post 7026, Nero Cain wrote:
in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?
Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.
~TitusOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Same. Can be resolved by a PM to the mod.In post 7029, Nero Cain wrote:
oh no, this was about this gunsmiths saying that they don't get gun from wolf. not vanilla cop. There's a chance the Dunn is legit not understanding his role b/c info is scarce but I think he's just trying to bullshit us.In post 7027, Nashville Dreams wrote:
Not for vanilla cops.In post 7026, Nero Cain wrote:
in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?
Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.
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I'm not a wolf.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote:
but in the example that you gave in 6900 you have a wolf give a result of not vanilla.In post 6887, Dunnstral wrote:It's irrelevant because I'm a hirsute. I don't interact with cops at all.
Ydrasse is not a vanilla cop.
And I'm not talking about vanilla cops here, I'm talking about whether Ydrasse would get a correct result on me with the parity cop claim. And I said she would.
Ydrasse is not claiming vanilla cop.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote:If a wolf gives a result other than "no result" it's still a result.
[quote="In post 7023, Nero Cain"Also, the idea that wolves (that have no additional abilities) give a pr result seems kinda dumb to me. It should work the same way with all factions, imo.[/quote]
OK.
It doesn't how you think the role should work, I quoted what the wiki says, and it is very clear in how it works.
Again, this doesn't relate to my claim of Hirsute, which is by the way also not vanilla anyways.
We have already established that gunsmiths work differently between the two factions.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote:Mine and most players (well I assume) just see wolf as a flavored version of mafia with no difference.
I agree that this would not be normal.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote: now the miller page does say
but I have never seen this and it's not normal.In Online Werewolf, the Miller is called a Lycan and is unaware of his Lycan status.
I am not being deceptive about anything.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote: I'm 99% certain that the mods on this site have just been using hirsute as a flavored wolf miller and I feel like you are just being deceptive right now.
I had no questions for the mod. My role pm is very clear. If a seer targets me, I look like a werewolf. This is what I have claimed my role did in the past, including links to the wiki where the role is described as such in 6822In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote: What does your role pm actually say? After you asked the mod any questions?
You are being intentionally obtsure because I have in the past pointed out to you that I linked to the wiki.In post 7023, Nero Cain wrote: Why? If you believe that you don't interact with cops wouldn't you think that a cop check on you is a waste?
The full argument went as follows:
Ydrasse expresses that they were considering my role when using their own role (?)
I point out that there is no reason to think my role would interact with Ydrasse
I also point out that a normal miller probably would interact with Ydrasse
Multiple players claim that miller would not interact with Ydrasse
I make it clear that I am not a miller
You ask me if Hirsute is "a miller that shows up as a wolf"
I say it is irrelevant,my role does not do anything special when targeted by a cop.
The only role that does anything special is the seer. This is not the case for the standard miller. In 6822 I give the reasoning for that. The standard miller is worded much more vaguely than the Hirsute, such that multiple cop type roles react differently. Miller explicitly outlines which cop roles function normally when targeting it. Here's the quote from the wiki:
So in conclusion, yes Hirsute is the werewolf flavored counterpart to miller. No, it's not the exact same thing. Because there are multiple cop roles but only one seer, and because miller uses over 10 times the word count to explain what it does and to give exceptions to certain roles. Parity cop is not one of those exceptions, and yeah a miller would give a result of "mafia" to that role (not directly shown, but used to compare alignments) - because that is an "unfavorable result" and the role investigating it is a "cop"A Miller returns a guilty result if investigated by a Cop, "Miller" if investigated by a Role Cop, and "non-Vanilla" to a Vanilla Cop.-
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And in flavor, cops are not the right investigative to figure out werewolves.In post 7026, Nero Cain wrote:
in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?
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I will not be pming the mod. If you have a question about the role Hirsute, you can pm the mod and ask. I don't have a question, and I'm not confused about how my role works, so I will not be doing that.In post 7030, Nashville Dreams wrote:
Same. Can be resolved by a PM to the mod.In post 7029, Nero Cain wrote:
oh no, this was about this gunsmiths saying that they don't get gun from wolf. not vanilla cop. There's a chance the Dunn is legit not understanding his role b/c info is scarce but I think he's just trying to bullshit us.In post 7027, Nashville Dreams wrote:
Not for vanilla cops.In post 7026, Nero Cain wrote:
in flavor, SKs use knives thus they get negative from a GS. Perhaps the mod has wolf flavored as using theirIn post 7021, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah so is Gunsmith but multiple players have claimed it doesn't work against werewolves. What makes vanilla cop different?CLAWSand they are basically a faction of SKs?
Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.
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I have never said that I don't have a town wincon.In post 7024, Nero Cain wrote:even if hirsute was something other than just a miller, you'd still have a town wincon unless you just aren't town.-
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No, Vanilla cop does not do that.In post 7027, Nashville Dreams wrote:Not for vanilla cops.
Vanilla just determines PR or not. Faction be damned. Period.
This is what a Vanilla cop does:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanilla_Cop
Normal Guidelines
Vanilla Cop is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.When the role is called "Vanilla Cop", Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and Serial Killers with no additional powers return a "Vanilla" result, while all other roles return "not Vanilla".
The Neapolitan variant is also considered Normal, but must be named "Neapolitan" to distinguish it from the preceding version.-
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In post 6980, butterchurn wrote:
I do think this was somewhat overlooked. They're clearly just making things up at this point and I'm not sure why nobody seems to care.In post 6977, Dunnstral wrote:In post 6923, butterchurn wrote:
Another? What previous wagon was to save scum!Dunn and scum!CSF? Please, do tell.In post 6922, Nashville Dreams wrote:cute another wagon to save scum-dunn & scum-csf
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I never said that.In post 7036, MonkeyMan576 wrote:If you know you get a non-town result to a parity cop then-
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It is abundantly clear what I am talking about in this post. Anyone sayomg that I'm somehow insinuating that Ydrasse's claimed role somehow doesn't work on me, or that I am claiming Miller are straight up not reading the game, lying, stupid, or maybe a mix of all of those things.In post 6811, Dunnstral wrote:
My role is that if I get investigated by a seer (werewolf sided cop equivalent) I appear as a werewolfIn post 6799, Ydrasse wrote:
pedantry really but when i got my role my question was basically likeIn post 6797, cassowary wrote:
hmm, then what's the point of specifying 'identical wincon' over just 'same alignment'? don't those mean the same thing?In post 6794, Ydrasse wrote:all four alignments have different wincons is the impression i have
"can wolves/mafia have the same wincon (beat all other threats) or like, wolves/malefactor"
and they cant
so i classify it as different wincons as what im checking for
it's not functionally different but it feels it
especially with a game with like a claimed werewolf miller lmao
Just like a miller for the mafia side
You're not claiming seer so it doesn't interact with your role. I have the town win condition.
Thingsmightbe different if I were a normal miller, since you are a paritycop, but I'm not.
We are going to stop trying to make this about me now. This was originally about Ydrasse, and they haven't responded at all, instead they made a few more woof woof posts and continued to vote me to "end the day".
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One vanity wagon's as good as another when every major wagon is on town and my vote on FL is a statement that I prefer.In post 6940, Enchant wrote:Then why don't you start
Move on to who?In post 7020, Save The Dragons wrote:dear mastina
flavor leaf isn't happening today. please move on.
Dunnstral? He's town.
Nashville Dreams? They're town.
Cat Scratch Fever? Also town.
Literally every single player with more than one vote right now is town.
So respectfully, I'm not moving off of my wagon until there's actually a better wagon.
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Have you ever considered the possibility that you might be wrong? You were saying earlier that you believe your own reads currently are around average, or middle of the road. Which wagon has more people that you townread pushing it? And what makes your read more likely to be correct than theirs?In post 7047, mastina wrote:Dunnstral? He's town.
Nashville Dreams? They're town.
Cat Scratch Fever? Also town.
Literally every single player with more than one vote right now is town.
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