Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[LavarManos]

I don't know about you, but that looks very much like Lukewarm is telling us he has a problem with the datisi wagon being scummy....without sticking his neckout to defend datisi.

Couldn't this just be a normal town reaction though? A quickly forming wagon is suspicious. In the early game, it can be hard to make a call on the alignment of the person being wagoned, but you can still call out the wagon at least.
I think Datisi could actually be scum, but that doesn't mean that there wasn't scum voting him.

[Datisi]

okay i have a shit ton to study and i don't feel like doing it so it's gaming time

(also this is a note that i will be phoneposting only tomorrow because my schedule is utter ass but also not like i'm spending too much effort in this game)

i like gorilla's 397. the answer is gut do not ask me to elaborate.

ok i read like a lot of pages i have nothing to say

VOTE: marci

interesting

VOTE: marci

ugh why are you so obsessed with me

obviously you dont know how to read my tone well if you think thats an over reaction :heart_cat_eyes:

thats the 2nd time he voted me and i wanna know why, whats wrong with that? (:

if you WANT an overreaction tho i can give u one..

oh dear
oh dear oh no these posts are so bad

I'll reread the kovu thing in detail in context at some point and see if it's as much of a misrep as you feel.

have you done this

616 is disturbing me because surely it cannot be that difficult for scum to come up with. i think it's not too unlikely meuh is scum trying to pump up town!val and his shit reads.

What's your current feeling on marci again?

scum
maybe more scum than val but i'm not sure
i still read both val and marci as scum individually but don't think they're buddies purely because i don't think scum!marci has the guts to publicly defend a partner the way she did

impostor looking sus

VOTE: rhyme and reason

[Datisi]

okay here's the thing

the people i do not want to murder on day one are:
bell, fire, luke, dunn, gamma, kovu, baltar, gorilla.

everyone else i could probably be talked into yeeting.

Val is probably town, I don’t think scum can synthesize the whole argument about how putting out reads is bad bc of Invictus. I disagree with it, but it’s probably genuine.

VOTE: meuh

i wanna murder in the val/marci/meuh circle. i feel like it has the highest odd of flipping a wolf somewhere in it and it would shed light on other people.

i wanna try voting meuh because i have a very very hard time believing the thing i quoted above is a real thought.

[VP Baltar]

scum
maybe more scum than val but i'm not sure
i still read both val and marci as scum individually but don't think they're buddies purely because i don't think scum!marci has the guts to publicly defend a partner the way she did

I was mostly curious because you said you were maybe giving townpoints to Val for quadrupling down, and I don't think thats super different from what Marci is doing.


I haven't reread the kovu thing yet, but I can shortly now that I got some work done this morning.

[Datisi]

scum
maybe more scum than val but i'm not sure
i still read both val and marci as scum individually but don't think they're buddies purely because i don't think scum!marci has the guts to publicly defend a partner the way she did

I was mostly curious because you said you were maybe giving townpoints to Val for quadrupling down, and I don't think thats super different from what Marci is doing.

it's not super different, but val is doing it LOUDLY, which is like, microscopically more +town than marci, but we're talking not much more townie

[marcistar]

ur so mean but what should i expect from the devil...

[VP Baltar]

I haven't reread the kovu thing yet, but I can shortly now that I got some work done this morning.

ok, I read the kovu thing, and if I'm being generous, I think town!Val could have latched onto it because Kovu decided to direct quote them. I think Val is making much more of how hard people were "shading" datisi voters than what was really happening, but I also think if val is town, they are just tunneled beyond belief.

So basically, this exercise was useless.

HOWEVER,

It did lead me to reread Val's first wall on you Datisi, and that contains their extensive explanation of the "I'm not going to give reads because invictus" thing:

given the invictus mechanic, if this is a game I ought to be telegraphing exactly how my reads stand at all times. In regular games, I think that is largely how one should play, although I know there are disagreements on that score, but I wonder if the argument for playing ones cards closer to ones chest is stronger in this game than others. One the one hand, if you are right and are openly suspecting scum that might dissuade them from killing you at night and leaves you alive to continue to push those scum, but if you are wrong, and scum can reasonably infer you might have another town as the target of your invictus, there is the risk of handing scum a free two-for-one. Given the number of D1 TvT shitfights I have found myself in over the course of my mafia career, I am inclined not to choreograph my exact moves at least for today and until I feel much more comfortable I am on the right track.

I'm debating if this feels way more indepth and personal reasons based ("given teh number of D1 TvTshitfights I have found myself in") than scum might concoct? IDK. I think it's a kind of silly stance, but the question is if Val truly believes this is a good approach ... and maybe they do?

[VP Baltar]

ur so mean but what should i expect from the devil...

You're really asking me to vote you again.

[Prism]

Vote Count 1.5

FLAVOR

Another day of school, another daydream. Esther is listless, tuning out precalculus in favor of TikTok shorts playing through the airpods tucked behind her hair.

Who are all these people with LED lights in their room, pools in their backyard, electric cars and delicious looking food? She was tired of that old diner downtown, and as much as she loved the goats back home, she figured she'd just get a cat when she moved to the city.

The last short was of a bunch of teenagers having fun, partying it up on the beach. They even had a drone shot. The only drone in Selah, bought by Isaac a year above with the money he earned from saving up last summer, got shot down by old man Ryan who called it the 5G machine and said he saw something about Bill Gates on TV. Isaac made him pay for it but said he figured there was no point in rebuying it, it'd just happen again. He bought a new bicycle instead.

Another school year will come and go, but graduation still seems a world away. Los Angeles, New York City, they all still seemed so far away, but who knows? With Tesla moving in, maybe the city'd come to her instead.

"Esther, what's that in your ear? Did you take my hearing aid?" Damn, the teacher finally caught on!

Player	Votes
Bell (3)	Lady Lambdadelta (175), Dwlee99 (305), Rhyme and Reason (316)
Val89 (3)	Lukewarm (489), gorilla (544), LavarManos (600)
SirCakez (3)	Bell (301), fireisredsir (586), Meuh (616)
Datisi (2)	marcistar (19), Val89 (32)
VP Baltar (2)	SirCakez (529), Fey (560)
Malakittens (1)	Enchant (317)
marcistar (1)	Gammagooey (497)
LavarManos (1)	Kovu (506)
Dwlee99 (1)	VP Baltar (620)
Meuh (1)	Datisi (627)
Not Voting (2)	Dunnstral, Malakittens (130)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-06-03 13:48:00).

Spoiler: Postcount Tracker

Player	Daystart postcount	Reserves
Bell	0	10
Fey	0	10
fireisredsir	0	10
Lady Lambdadelta	0	10
Malakittens	0	10
Lukewarm	0	10
Dunnstral	0	10
Rhyme and Reason	0	10
Meuh	0	10
Val89	0	10
marcistar	0	10
Dwlee99	0	10
Gammagooey	0	10
Kovu	0	10
VP Baltar	0	10
Datisi	0	10
LavarManos	0	10
Enchant	0	10
SirCakez	0	10
gorilla	0	10

Posts are capped at 125 posts per slot per dayphase. Please see the Ruleset and FAQ for more information and tips on tracking your postcount.

[SirCakez]

FINALLLYYYYY HEREEEEEEE

[SirCakez]

Going to resume from the top of page 10 but feed me questions and anything you want to hear from me while I work on that!

[SirCakez]

I favor Datisi's response in 218 over Marci. It feels like Marci was trying to attack at things that weren't really issues if that makes sense?
And I like that Datisi went on to pressure someone else too. He avoided the sort of 1v1 death spiral that can kill games.

@baltar, give me your hottest take on this game, stat

hottest take is probably you could be scum here.

Second hottest (with absolute zero reasoning beyond GUT) is there's one scum in gorilla/gamma.


Mostly though, I think marci doesn't look great and that's about as LHF take as one can get right now.



On the town side, my takes right now are that fire, Dunn and Val are all town.

the most boring weaksauce takes possible from scum Baltar

- oof i don't like anything cakez has posted. esp 197, like i disagree with almost every point made here. and the last time i remember that happening it was scum. and from what i read of his past play in large themes what he's done so far feels a lot closer to how he struggled to get footing as scum

what do you disagree with?
I haven't been in this game at all because it literally started the day I left for vacation

Can someone vig sircakez.

why have you been completely obsessed with me this game?

[SirCakez]

I should give some bits of the game a reread because some of it I just don’t really remember or spent much energy on interpreting.
Not that much has been sticking to me thus far.
Dunn/Gorilla/Fire/VB/Lukewarm/Bell probably town here

Also what’s the expected number of scum here? 4? 5? Never played this big of a game on this site.

these reads suck how could you have VP and Bell as town? and what has Gorilla done really?

I’m willing to sheep you on this and my vote fulfills essentially the same purpose on Enchant than on Tako. I wanna see where this goes and you’ve had good vibes as of late anyways

why sheep Lavar here? that's such an odd pick to follow of all people this game

As a sidenote, I disagree with your Dunn townread - I think I've seen like 3 people say they townread him and to me he looks the same as he did in the last game I was in where he was scum (Slaughter Hour), and I don't remember him being different in World of Tomorrow where we were both scum with him either (though my memory of that game isn't great tbf and I checked out a bit after I died). Like I haven't seen him as town in ages and it's still early game, but his vibe still seems like *he exists a little bit but never sticks his neck out and makes a big deal of anything relevant*.

I don't think this looks like slaughter hour Dunn. He was way more apathetic there.

I have not read the game entire, yet it
Is thought by me — the wagon Bell attracts
Quite good may be. I cast our vote for him;
He has not here his normal tone he seems
To me to lack conviction that, when town
He has achieved in role PM, he with
Swift, easy facility presents in game


VOTE: Bell

My friend still stays with me in fair Madrid
No posts shall here forthcome until the morn
~Reason

this could definitely be a Bell scumbuddy
there's zero conviction in this vote and it feels like distancing IMO

[SirCakez]

I'm at e-4 I think. I don't either either Marci or I are good wagons.

literally a shitpost
Bell is so scum this game guys I've never seen him play as garbage as this as town

[SirCakez]

Meuh seems town to me.
Fire seems town to me.

Marci seems likely town to me, but I'm uncomfortable saying that when Lukewarm has a ping there. Then again, not listening to Lukewarm has been A+ the last 2 games lol.
Dwlee, I'm not sure they embarrass themselves by thinking the Marci/Bell wagon has scum in it as scum, it's fairly risky and gives them heat later that they don't really need.
Datisi, is just....Meh this game. They feel plain. But I don't know what to make of it.
Tbh, beyond a few sparks of slight creativity Baltar feels the same as last game. They got mad, but all I got from it was a brain dead vote on me, it was probably the worst vote this game, but hard to tell if it's just a character trait or not given they're relatively new to me.
I roughly agree with the universe aligning with Kovu, they're just as odd as usual. I dunno know that automatically makes them town but it might.
I actually think heart syndrome sounds vaguely town but they're sort of a none presence so it's hard to know for sure.

That's all I got so far.

This isn't antispew btw, in case you were wondering.

look how bad this readslist is
"maybe town but not sure"
"not sure if they do this as scum"
"don't know what to make o it"
"hard to tell what Baltar is doing"
"vaguely town and hard to know for sure"

these reads are trash. literally completely made up.

[Meuh]

UNVOTE:

[fireisredsir]

what do you disagree with?
I haven't been in this game at all because it literally started the day I left for vacation

from 197:
- i thought mueh's vote on takotsubo was good, so i wasn't really a fan of the questioning there
- strong disagree with your liking of lavar's post, and especially with the characterization of it as "organic", since i felt it was p stilted and unnatural sounding.
- kovu's readlist... eh, i can understand how someone might have that reaction, so not a strong disagree even tho i don't think it feels forced
- liking 94. i did not really like the vibes from luke in that post, the content was fine and i actually agreed with most of the things he said though, so i think its reasonable to like it fypov. something about the way he approached it though just pinged me a little, but looking back now i don't feel that as strongly

but still, uh, almost everything in the post, like i said. the biggest thing was the lavar post though

look how bad this readslist is
"maybe town but not sure"
"not sure if they do this as scum"
"don't know what to make o it"
"hard to tell what Baltar is doing"
"vaguely town and hard to know for sure"

these reads are trash. literally completely made up.

what makes you think that bell's d1 reads having words like "maybe" and "not sure" makes him more likely to be scum? like yeah you can call it "bad" but that sounds pretty zero level to me, and i don't really buy that your confidence here is legit

[SirCakez]

Bell’s recent string of posts is very townie-like and they’re probably my strongest townread rn. Both situationally and based on their own actions they should be town.

?????????????

honestly I'd love to hear more on the Bell TRs, cause this isn't exactly mirroring the bell!town I'm familiar with, this bell isn't doing too much, but it's also like half this freaking table is doing nothing, soooo idk, someone called enchant town right? I'm also really curious on that.... cause enchant is one that still has 0 content

thank you lion

we've been here 3 IRL days... and 8 of yall don't even have 10 posts, like, it's not that hard to ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAME YOU SIGNED UP FOR...
Probably time to step away for now, but seriously, EIGHT of you can't even post 10 times???? and 1 of the 8 is literally a hydra that seems to care more about their gimmick than playing the game

this complaining is pointless but also probably town

...and how do those reads relate to the prospect of Bell flipping scum?

Both are being independently useless and bemoaning in their own way how people posting in the game right now, which is primarily coalescing around a Bell yeet today, fmpov.

It reads to me like an effort to shift the status quo without drawing too much attention.

how is being useless a scum tell? especially the kind of useless Kovu is being.
it's just not really scummy FMPOV like at all

Town andante wants blood. Kovu is a snoozefest of petty complaints.

what even... so I'm supposed to sit here screaming for blood all game? oh my bad, it's a little hard to do with 8 slots doing absolutely nothing to advance the game. Yeah I posted a readslist, so what? it was largely just asking a bunch of questions to people? you ever think I'm tired of playing like I'm "out for blood" Fey literally just spent a game yelling at me for "throwing" while I was town I figured, new account, we're keeping the tryhard mode, less "shenanigans" more organized thoughts... and you're shitting on me for what?? trying? giving reads? wow.. so freaking scummy

and this feels really genuine in a way that scum Andante is not

[SirCakez]

what do you disagree with?
I haven't been in this game at all because it literally started the day I left for vacation

from 197:
- i thought mueh's vote on takotsubo was good, so i wasn't really a fan of the questioning there
- strong disagree with your liking of lavar's post, and especially with the characterization of it as "organic", since i felt it was p stilted and unnatural sounding.
- kovu's readlist... eh, i can understand how someone might have that reaction, so not a strong disagree even tho i don't think it feels forced
- liking 94. i did not really like the vibes from luke in that post, the content was fine and i actually agreed with most of the things he said though, so i think its reasonable to like it fypov. something about the way he approached it though just pinged me a little, but looking back now i don't feel that as strongly

but still, uh, almost everything in the post, like i said. the biggest thing was the lavar post though

I didn't have a problem with the Tako vote I was unclear on what exactly Meuh wanted whether it was more vote on Tako or more content from them. I think Tako was and still is a decent vote (but obv not my preference atm)
The reason I said that about Lavar is because it was basically the same thought process I had and post I would have made at that point in time. like I can clearly see how a town brain got to that point. maybe organic isn't the right word but I can see a town mindset there. but I also understand why people could not like that post so whatever.

look how bad this readslist is
"maybe town but not sure"
"not sure if they do this as scum"
"don't know what to make o it"
"hard to tell what Baltar is doing"
"vaguely town and hard to know for sure"

these reads are trash. literally completely made up.

what makes you think that bell's d1 reads having words like "maybe" and "not sure" makes him more likely to be scum? like yeah you can call it "bad" but that sounds pretty zero level to me, and i don't really buy that your confidence here is legit

I've played with Bell town mannnnyyyyyy times. He has confidence in himself and he plays to actually scumhunt. these reads just look super forced and passionless.

[Bell]

You’ve played with bell many times. And either scum read me every time you were scum or misread me with over a thousand posts. And you’re saying this when I claimed a role that confirms itself the next day phase?

Okay.

[SirCakez]

if you claimed something I missed it or its in the 10 pages I'm still working on

And either scum read me every time you were scum or misread me with over a thousand posts.

where's the receipt for this?

I can't even remember the last time I scumread you

[SirCakez]

Still skimming, but is anyone else getting the feeling from the last couple of pages that Kovu really wants someone to scumread me for a lack of activity, and is getting frustrated noone is biting?

no this take sucks

all ill say is that it seems like u were premaking excuses

it is funny yes, it makes it seem like ur playing both stocks and mafia at the same time but yeah

okay

LLD is town LOL

Also, what in the actual...

it was half a joke but also I feel LLD would more likely make that post as town
I need a lot more from her though but I respect she was also V/LA

[SirCakez]

ok Bell has been softing some sort of confirmable PR whatever...we'll see
happy with my Baltar vote in the meantime he keeps posting crap on every page I read
few more to go but nearly done

[VP Baltar]

we'll see
happy with my Baltar vote in the meantime he keeps posting crap on every page I read
few more to go but nearly done

Yes, I'm the one posting crap.

[SirCakez]

we'll see
happy with my Baltar vote in the meantime he keeps posting crap on every page I read
few more to go but nearly done

Yes, I'm the one posting crap.