Mafia Invictus Redux [Game Over]

[LavarManos]

I'm reversing my read on marci. Everyone wanting to wagon for the sake of having dueling wagons should explain why?
VOTE: Datisi as a placeholder

[Gammagooey]

@Lavar When ya get here I'd appreciate if you could go into a bit more detail on which of Meuh's early posts or which parts were good after re-reading them, along with answering fire's 788

Like early game right after you changed your vote to tako, what exactly of Meuh's looked better after another look?

[Prism]

Vote Count 1.7

FLAVOR

I first took power 12 years ago, the only man to make it out of the bloodbath with his head still above the water. I always thought I knew how I'd go. I fought like hell to prevent it, sure, but there was never any doubt in my mind that I'd die violently and gruesomely, like an animal.

That first year was especially frightening. Some called me harsh, and they're right. I did things I wasn't proud of to consolidate my power. When the citizens of Selah rose up in revolt, it scared the shit out of me. It was like I spent 10 minutes slipping around on ice, only to have a rug pulled out from under me the second I got off the rink.

The years of Bugatti Mafia encroachment were small fry in comparison, but they were persistent...and always still dangerous. Even they won't touch this, though..

Who could have seen this coming? It's not the 1950s anymore. Criminal outfits can't go against corporations with more economic output than entire countries, not anymore. We're not the cartels, our heyday's long past. You try to extort a company of Tesla's size and you'll have a whole army of feds swarming down on you. No partnerships, either: These people are serious. Audits, shareholders, consultants, federal and state inspectors, the works. Where's the business in that? Siphoning off a couple of "faulty" batteries from the line? Hell no.

Still, there are other ways to get them to leave. This is still our turf, and I'm not looking forward to a peaceful retirement.

Player	Votes
LavarManos (7)	gorilla (790), Lukewarm (796), VP Baltar (798), fireisredsir (800), Rhyme and Reason (801), Val89 (803), Meuh (822)
marcistar (3)	Gammagooey (497), Datisi (703), SirCakez (717)
VP Baltar (2)	Fey (560), Dwlee99 (692)
Datisi (2)	marcistar (19), LavarManos (950)
Bell (1)	Lady Lambdadelta (175)
SirCakez (1)	Bell (301)
Lady Lambdadelta (1)	Enchant (759)
Rhyme and Reason (1)	Kovu (880)
Not Voting (2)	Dunnstral, Malakittens (130)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to eliminate.

No elimination has been achieved. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2022-06-03 13:48:00).

Spoiler: Postcount Tracker

Player	Daystart postcount	Reserves
Bell	0	10
Fey	0	10
fireisredsir	0	10
Lady Lambdadelta	0	10
Malakittens	0	10
Lukewarm	0	10
Dunnstral	0	10
Rhyme and Reason	0	10
Meuh	0	10
Val89	0	10
marcistar	0	10
Dwlee99	0	10
Gammagooey	0	10
Kovu	0	10
VP Baltar	0	10
Datisi	0	10
LavarManos	0	10
Enchant	0	10
SirCakez	0	10
gorilla	0	10

Posts are capped at 125 posts per slot per dayphase. Please see the Ruleset and FAQ for more information and tips on tracking your postcount.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Lavar

Moving here

[SirCakez]

I'm reversing my read on marci. Everyone wanting to wagon for the sake of having dueling wagons should explain why?
VOTE: Datisi as a placeholder

This makes 0 sense if Lavar is scum like c'mon

[marcistar]

Marci lim is bad so this is fun

why do you think my elim is bad meuh? last i heard u didnt wanna try to read me?

[Rhyme and Reason]

My list of people that I do not want to be the day 1 elimination has grown to:

1. Bell
3. fireisredsir
4. Lady Lambdadelta
6. Lukewarm
7. Dunnstral
9. Meuh
11. marcistar
14. Kovu
15. VP Baltar
18. Enchant
20. gorilla

Why is LLD on this list and not RR?

~
and on another note I think I tr RR, like, that's the 1 slot to not call me town lol and like all these other people automatically calling me town know I'm capable of posting all of what I've posted thus far as scum, like, I don't think I'm an easy person to just call town, but like, when VP called me scum it was "under the condition bell flips scum then we look at kovu" like, that is probably the worst way to make reads, like, as I've learned, we don't plan on chaining lims or whatever, so instead of how VP called me scum, we have RR just flat out "kovu might be" and I like that

~

lmao Fey "this is a game I'm in" yeah... and this really feels like not town!you

Disagree, that seems well within her scum wheelhouse.

you seem convinced I'm not town tbh, might actually mean you're scum.. usually you just like ignore me in games, yet here's the 2nd time you're like "Kovu can definitely be scum" like, what?

VOTE: RR

I am pretty certain RR is not town.
VOTE: RR

Also, I've decided Lava most likely flips town, cause he has some of the better posts of people this game.

run me through your thought process about us over these 3 posts, Kovu, if you'd be so kind

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

shit, I really need to get into the habit of combining things for future days, but also can someone tell me the cliffnotes on lavar/if there's a case that's been posted them?

~Rhyme

[VP Baltar]

ok, i can explain then:

1) your early posting felt really stiff and unnatural. this is more of a gut thing, sure, but i read posts like 91, 229, 232 and it feels like they don't really have any meat to them. i can't feel any town thought process behind your words, it just feels like you're trying to avoid stepping on any toes and making as low impact as you can

2) the way you interact with people. you're generally extremely accommodating to whoever you talk to. this has scum motivation bc it makes people less likely to want to scumread you. its not inherently scummy, but it is when it doesn't actually make town sense for you to do that there. one example is around post 290 and the following few posts with much. you had mueh as a top scumread before this, but once she started talking to you, you kinda started buddying her. it was a super weird interaction and i originally thought it could be s/s but i think it could just be t/s. this isn't the only instance of this, i think you also have done it with others, but it's the most significant for me

3) related to the above, i think you've gone out of your way to avoid interacting with people probably bc you know that you come off as awkward. you've ignored questions and haven't really engaged at all with the suspicions on you, and it seems like you're just hoping that they'll go away or people will get distracted by something else if you don't acknowledge them

4) your votes on val and marci feel opportunistic and are supported by p weak reasoning. it doesn't feel like you have any genuine scumreads and are happy to just go with the flow for the most part

[Rhyme and Reason]

thanks, Baltar

you roll town this time or are you counting on another embarrassing duping of yours truly?

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

speaking of getting duped - mena, pls give a read on datisi when you can k thx

[gorilla]

Can the people who are not on a wagon please vote for one? We have a day left.

[Datisi]

meh

if this flips scum, probably nuke sircakez into the orbit

VOTE: lavar

y-2, we got a claim yet?

[Rhyme and Reason]

I was about to grill you over the vote for us in 626 but I just read the context and now I get it

in other news, not sure, not ready to commit, I have a desire to scumread you because you've fooled me recently and I don't recall the last time I actually caught you as scum at this point

I'm doing my best to keep that in check and to take your posts on their merits, and hopefully running through it with S_S will help, but for now it's a hard unsure

I also have no idea if interacting with you is going to make said feeling stronger or weaker, so we'll have to see how it goes

~Rhyme

[Rhyme and Reason]

UNVOTE:

~Rhyme

[VP Baltar]

if this flips scum, probably nuke sircakez into the orbit

I'm actually slightly concerned Cakez is TMIing in his confidence about lavartown/marciscum.

That's exactly the shit I do as scum on D1 to gain authority D2.


@RR - I'd never lie 2 u bb.

[Meuh]

Marci lim is bad so this is fun

why do you think my elim is bad meuh? last i heard u didnt wanna try to read me?

Because I actually think I’m decent at sorting you later in the game with more concrete information in play, it’s more day 1 that’s an issue…
So if you stay around I think I could actually figure you out. Instead of dropping a low-confidence vote on you rn

Also fwiw I think your confidence this time around doesn’t feel similar to the game you were scum we played together… you were very passive there iirc
So I have good enough vibes on you to feel iffy about limming you.

[Datisi]

I'm actually slightly concerned Cakez is TMIing in his confidence about lavartown/marciscum.

idk, i think if this were the case cakez would be setting up whose votes on lavar look shit in order to push them later

and his kinda desperation for lavar lowkey reminds me of that game i modded where he was hitler and was defending the people he thought vere his fascists

i rarely see scum actually defending scum this openly on day one but like. basically i think whatever alignment lavar flips, cakez is more likely? the same alignemtn

[Rhyme and Reason]

i think if this were the case cakez would be setting up whose votes on lavar look shit in order to push them later

you mean:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: lavar

Late day surprise wagon! My favorite.

oh HECK yeah let's go

VOTE: Lavar

Why is LLD on this list and not RR?

Why would we be on the list? Before this post basically nobody had called us town.

This bit is something I would see myself post as scum tbh

I can go find examples of me saying similar stuff as town if you'd like (but only if it would help, it's time-consuming). Or we can just ask the many other people in the game who are familiar with me if it's AI.

I very much want to see a counterwagon to marci for reasons I already laid out, so even though I just got town vibes on Lavar I think it's proper to VOTE: Lavar

I haven't heard from Mena yet but I would expect him to agree with me.

-Reason

I don't want Marci. I realise my opinion on the matter might not count for much when I've been floated as an alternative, but I'll give it, since my lack of involvement in the wagon so far is probably clue enough as gamma pointed out previously.

I got a slight town ping from 40, although I accept that sort of thing could come from scum surprised a made-up read was endorsed by a townie, I also think it would be some co-incidence to hit the same ping on the 8 players posted pre-marci entrance on page 1. My initial reaction to Lukewarms' push there was that is was opportunistic garbage, and seeing datisi wholeheartedly jump on and endorse it with 'lolscum' whilst trying to give justification (albeit shit ones) for everyone else sealed the deal for me that the case was crap. Having seen luke temper and then reverse it leads me to believe the case there was initially deliberately exaggerated and oversold, and in truth is probably +town for luke as well as marci.

I've been voting datisi since "RVS" too, although it was never actually an RVS vote. I've deliberately chosen to be cagey about my reads, which may have led to the impression there is a lack of scum hunting going on, too. Those are the reasons I see given for the wagon now, and I can't see them as scummy because I know there is at least one genuine thought process that results in those same outward signs.

I've not given too much though to LavarManos since I noted datisi's strange justification for that read, which when examined I strongly disagreed with, and thought had to be basically invented. I might have been hasty there, if for no other reason that nothing prevents scum from inventing reasons for giving a 'slightly scummy maybe?' read on a partner.

If this is the two we are going with;

VOTE: LavarManos

All of these people are null to scum - over half of the wagon and all of the later votes. Definitely could be scum driven.

like this?

~Rhyme

[Datisi]

oh wow thank you mena i was not aware of that

yeah ok townlavar/scumcakez world is a possibility

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm waiting to hear back from S_S so we can avoid dissonance but as it's a topic atm anyway

Cakez was my first scumping the other day, I don't like his ISO when I'm looking at it now, and while I don't feel confident that Lavar is town I feel better about Cakez being scum than Lavar being scum

Idk if S_S is strong on Lavar scum, so idk if we're going to stick to the main wagon or if he's going to back me and we're going to start pushing on Cakez but this is where I'm at personally

~Rhyme

[Fey]

Obligatory I still think Lavar is town.

I don’t particularly like the alternative of Marci but I don’t have a great grasp of what else I would do wagonwise. Probably not Luke/Kovu/fire/gorilla and shrug at the rest. My reasons for those names is just memory of goodvibes when I was reading closer than I am now.

VOTE: Marcistar

[Fey]

[Rhyme and Reason]

I'm going to listen to that while I make some lunch, I like it from the beginning

what do you think of Cakez, Fey?

~Rhyme

[Fey]

Meh. Last time I tried to read him I tunneled horribly so I wasn’t here. I’d give him a meh I guess, seems proactive and trying to do things so I’d give him a pass for now.