Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[VP Baltar]

Why are you like overly cautious of me? when you have almost no one else doing much? so shouldn't you just go "ok gonna assume andante town, see where this goes, and evaluate later if needbe" ?? like, if someone is doing a lot, I'll just assume they're town and work with them for finding scum.. instead you're all "CAN'T TRUST ANDANTE. SHE MAF!" like what? you, yourself aren't doing too much, instead just tunneling in on the people who talk a lot, have you ever considered trying to engage with anyone other than me or datisi this game?
I guess you kinda are with Ari now.. but like, ehhh

I can barely follow whatever you're trying to say here. How am I being cautious with you?

[Andante]

Tbh I'm like, a little bit surprised that VP hasn't attacked me back yet, as town or as scum. I think it surprises me a little more if he's town; I kind of expected to be lumped in as the third in his Andante/Datisi/??? solve with how I've acted toward those slots. The way he's been acting toward my slot feels maybe scum-indicative; he's engaging with me some but also kind of ignoring substantive engagement with me. I don't think it's super indicative of anything up to this point but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm by no means like sold on VP scum or anything.

Why would I just attack you back?

While I do see you lining up with Datisi, I don't see you lining up with andante necessarily (despite that weird sort of exchange you two had), and she is my lead pick for scum here so far. What substantive things would you like to engage on? I didn't get a lot from your posts toward me.


pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

LOL "I don't

think

implosion is scum with Andante"
Right.. so... we haven't ruled out implosion completely as my scum partner? cause scum partners start the game like we did? I'm honored you think my scum game is this amazing thing, but it's really not lol

[Andante]

forget what I said earlier, fire is town

is it bc i posted a big paragraph that you looked at and went "uhhh wow" and moved on

hahaha trying to call me out... umm... that's not 100% of it, actually Iw as like, "if he just drops this and waits 24 hours to come back, then he's probably scum" but here you are again, so yeah. good look!!

[Aristeia]

pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

Which game are you talking about?

Lake Melancholy I said you were mafia and almost voted you out at some point.

Bunnies you claimed a PR and got shot.

Large Normal I think I had to replace out fairly early.

[Andante]

I think people are tone reading her as town, but from games I've played with people who say they have good meta from her, IDK if you can necessarily use tone to tell alignment.

@VP

the "cautious" thing
(that you actually said, but quotes be wild, and idk how to make it like the cool people do, and I don't wanna click back to OG post... tangent aside, you said it, not me)

[Datisi]

Large Normal I think I had to replace out fairly early.

my first thought reading this was "what? ari was scum in large normal and didn't have to read baltar"

then i realized >_>

[VP Baltar]

Tbh I'm like, a little bit surprised that VP hasn't attacked me back yet, as town or as scum. I think it surprises me a little more if he's town; I kind of expected to be lumped in as the third in his Andante/Datisi/??? solve with how I've acted toward those slots. The way he's been acting toward my slot feels maybe scum-indicative; he's engaging with me some but also kind of ignoring substantive engagement with me. I don't think it's super indicative of anything up to this point but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm by no means like sold on VP scum or anything.

Why would I just attack you back?

While I do see you lining up with Datisi, I don't see you lining up with andante necessarily (despite that weird sort of exchange you two had), and she is my lead pick for scum here so far. What substantive things would you like to engage on? I didn't get a lot from your posts toward me.


pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

LOL "I don't

think

implosion is scum with Andante"
Right.. so... we haven't ruled out implosion completely as my scum partner? cause scum partners start the game like we did? I'm honored you think my scum game is this amazing thing, but it's really not lol

that's your emphasis not mine.

As far as quality of your scum game, wasn't it just in KTaNE that a bunch of people were going on about how your tone is similar between town and scum and that's not alignment indicative for you. I think it might have been Bell who said the best way to read you is to look at who you are pushing and why.

[Andante]

which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

I mean, vulture has definitely dropped off, so like... yeah, "I'm just gonna observe this game" ok.. sure whatever, but we need some thoughts plz...

[Aristeia]

Town!Baltar doesn't really care and is just having lots of fun doing whatever he wants.

that has never been my experience. Town him is usually yelling... a lot, scum him is just "hey look I'm nice!!" which was why like KTANE, day 1 there was a point like "hold up, he's too nice here" but yeah, your desciption of town/scum VP do NOT line up with the VP I'm aware of lol. now... are you his scumpartner... or is it just you maf trying to pocket him? either way I don't by any of this, plus I was SRing you earlier, and I'm gonna take a wild guess you saw and this is the "effort" in your posts.... describing meta to us... instead of actually reading VP this game

VOTE: Aristeia

when I say "doesn't really care" I mean "doesn't really care how other people see him" he doesn't really try to get townread. he's just throwing out takes left and right and not trying to "seem reasonable/nice"

[Aristeia]

Large Normal I think I had to replace out fairly early.

my first thought reading this was "what? ari was scum in large normal and didn't have to read baltar"

then i realized >_>

I think I'm always a tiny bit your traitor at heart when you roll scum <3

[VP Baltar]

pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

Which game are you talking about?

Lake Melancholy I said you were mafia and almost voted you out at some point.

Bunnies you claimed a PR and got shot.

Large Normal I think I had to replace out fairly early.

eh, Lake Melancholy you came to the correct read and I wasn't even playing very engaged that game.

Guardians at the Gate or whatever you also read me correctly.

I don't recall what your actual read on me was in Bunnies, as I have the memory of a gold fish for mafia games.

Only semi recent game I can recall you having an absolute SHIT read of me was Legend of the Hidden Temple, and that was a long time ago.

[Gamma Emerald]

bascuse me?

[VP Baltar]

I think people are tone reading her as town, but from games I've played with people who say they have good meta from her, IDK if you can necessarily use tone to tell alignment.

@VP

the "cautious" thing
(that you actually said, but quotes be wild, and idk how to make it like the cool people do, and I don't wanna click back to OG post... tangent aside, you said it, not me)

That's not me being cautious with you. It's me saying I don't think your stream of consciousness posting is alignment indicative.

[fireisredsir]

also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

so you think you would be taking on more of a sitting back and observing role if you were scum here?

[Aristeia]

eh, Lake Melancholy you came to the correct read and I wasn't even playing very engaged that game.

Guardians at the Gate or whatever you also read me correctly.

um Lake Melancholy was mostly because Prism claimed a role that was mechanically incompatible with the role I had so I knew she was mafia and when she tried to kill you I decided you were town.

Guardians was because Imaginality scum-slipped in your game about pre-flipping my game which basically was a scum-claim to me and that made it so you were definitely town.

In both of those games I initially mis-read you as Mafia and pushed you.

[Datisi]

meeeeeeeeeeh

i don't agree w baltar's read of andante and also i am not reading her by tone at all

but also like i can kinda sorta see the idea so maybe

i'll decide tomorrow how i feel about him

how about i VOTE: vulture

i'm off to bed, pls don't shit this up to like 50+ pages by tomorrow please

[Aristeia]

oh god did you two roll scum together >_>

[Gamma Emerald]

also I think if I'm scum feeling this way about the game I don't really throw myself into things the way I have, which is also why I voted vulture, because it feels like she's doing what I would be doing as scum here

so you think you would be taking on more of a sitting back and observing role if you were scum here?

yeah

[Aristeia]

my jealousy meter just went up to like 15

[Andante]

Tbh I'm like, a little bit surprised that VP hasn't attacked me back yet, as town or as scum. I think it surprises me a little more if he's town; I kind of expected to be lumped in as the third in his Andante/Datisi/??? solve with how I've acted toward those slots. The way he's been acting toward my slot feels maybe scum-indicative; he's engaging with me some but also kind of ignoring substantive engagement with me. I don't think it's super indicative of anything up to this point but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm by no means like sold on VP scum or anything.

Why would I just attack you back?

While I do see you lining up with Datisi, I don't see you lining up with andante necessarily (despite that weird sort of exchange you two had), and she is my lead pick for scum here so far. What substantive things would you like to engage on? I didn't get a lot from your posts toward me.


pedit - @ari, I don't think you actually have a terrible record of reading me at this point? Didn't you correctly townread me our last few games?

LOL "I don't

think

implosion is scum with Andante"
Right.. so... we haven't ruled out implosion completely as my scum partner? cause scum partners start the game like we did? I'm honored you think my scum game is this amazing thing, but it's really not lol

that's your emphasis not mine.

As far as quality of your scum game, wasn't it just in KTaNE that a bunch of people were going on about how your tone is similar between town and scum and that's not alignment indicative for you. I think it might have been Bell who said the best way to read you is to look at who you are pushing and why.

ok whatever, so if we're going with this, THE GAME IS STILL VERY MUCH IN RVS RIGHT NOW!!! we don't have actual content right now, my "amazing scum game" the EM people know about and refer to is literally from 2017-2018,

like, this is probably *mostly* representative of my scum game on MS:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88375

and this is what I would say my *best* scum game on MS is
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88224

So like, can you stop referring to "meta" that someone else once said once upon a time? Use your game with me, and reach your own conclusions. if you want to keep pushing meta reasons that aren't even your meta, I'll just vote you out here no brakes and call it a day. It's just freaking annoying hearing all this "WELL... META!!" like, yes... I was conf maf, and town genuinely believed I was town and the invest was lying... but that was like 5 years ago... so yeah, Fish in the sea is the closest you're getting for my "awesome maf skills"

[Datisi]

oh god did you two roll scum together >_>

god i wish

[fireisredsir]

oh god did you two roll scum together >_>

i did think datisi's reaction to my mostly joking theory about them being scum together was slightly awkward and took it too seriously while also laughing at it

maybe i was onto something

[Aristeia]

oh god did you two roll scum together >_>

god i wish

you'd rather roll scum with him than with me

[Andante]

i don't agree w baltar's read of andante and also i am not reading her by tone at all

what do you think of baltar reading me by "meta" which isn't even his meta? He's never even seen my scum game.. yet seems to be relying on my scum meta?

[fireisredsir]

its ok tho, no need to sort datisi yet. we just have to wait until he has enough posts and then we can run a sentiment analyzer on them