large normal 239. game over

[over90]

or maybe it was Bosco, idk

instead of nk maybe

[over90]

I am not so sure about kitty too.
I need to reread a bit, dont speed up the day please.

[over90]

Let's point and laugh on RCE who could just wait with claim, and possible save claimed Mala from death afterwards.

mala could be elimed

[over90]

i mean she could be elimed yesterday. that's why rce's defense wasn't so awful

[over90]

i mean i had suspicion of elsa on d1

yeah, it was, i remember you said that to me, that the behavior of elsa is so showy

[over90]

im still pro limming titus

i liked this brave post, even if titus is townie

but you have nothing about gamma and you wasn't voting gamma/elsa on day1 at all, but u was voting bosco, titus and also cakez...

who are scums for u now?

[over90]

The lurker comes back just to vote me because they see 4 votes on me. Wonderful.

i kind of agree with over90 that elsa's posts are vacant of hunting they're just pretty to look pretty

bosco why did you vote for elsa jay

I saw this voting from others. Been away for a few days and can't force myself to read from 15 till 35 pages.
over900 voted Jay too. :о

i dont feel that they are three scums here
smb of them is town (bosco or std)

[over90]

No mercy for STD.

Also NK that post is bad.

ok

VOTE: Save The Dragons

[over90]

Save The Dragons (4) - Mala, Cakez,

Nero

, Enchant, over90
NK15 - Nero
NM - NK15

Need 7 to elim

[over90]

is there anything people want me to like defend against

Scum post he's looking for a way out

wtf i'm looking for a case i don't see one

who is mafia and why

[over90]

jesus christ i don't have the mental energy for this today

im protective and i protected someone n1 so i wondered if i was the one who stopped the kill

so are you claiming? like the fourth man who can stop the kill?
town odd night roleblocker (DEAD), town doctor-rolecop (DEAD), town jailkeeper mala (ALIVE) and smth more like that you have too, really??!? is this too many of them?

in that case u should scumread mala, not someone else like cakez.

[over90]

what?

[over90]

why is that?

[over90]

rolecop

he cannot see the color of the player i guess, so std!townprotectivepr can consider mala is scum, because there are too many of them for balance, no?
but he doesnt think about it

[over90]

why is that?

not impossible but unlikely there's another scum in the hood.

shitty reason. forget about the hood, if there are 0-3 scums are possible

[over90]

i'm a 1 shot doc, i protected over90 night 1

because of my vote to townie titus? i dont believe you, that you have no better targets

[over90]

why should they shoot me after that fail on d1? i dont believe you, that you spent your only 1 shot on me. i am not the target for night shot obviously after that fail
they need to shoot prs

[over90]

titus, what about kitty? he can know smth? it your list is solid? any changes?

I'll take a look but how I operate is to take a theory and change when evidence to the contrary.

Mala and bosco are lock.

If both those flip red, DV. Then RCE.

While I'm confident, I always could be wrong.

lock towns?

what about elsa?

Nero you enchant cakez lock town

Elsa lean

dv said that kitty and bosco are towns
maybe it is time to vote dv
i would elim dv before bosco and kitty if he has no updates

but now i want to sheep mala
and i have almost nothing to think that we are making a mistake with std

i go sleep

[over90]

Nk15 thinks kitty is soft bussing not_maf,

Emm, i dont think that, "Nk15 thinks kitty is soft bussing not_maf", there is nothing about it in the thread

[over90]

Yeah, std is hammered

[over90]

Dont forget about opinions of dead townies. Though i have no solid opinion,but there were opinions of Titus (bosco and dv are scums) and rce (i'm not sure what he has left for us, he was mostly thinking about elsa and mala, and night kill).

I think Titus should definitely hit somewhere in a scum.
Bosco/DV smth here.
And ofc STD, but if he is town, smth in bosco/dv should be for sure

[over90]

Titus didnt mistake so much, scumreading mala and rce. Pr slots in games I play usually are not considered as totally town slots. For example a cop in professional games usually looks very suspicious before claiming.
So if the rest people in her range are scums - std, bosco, dv - she played very well, finding scums and pr.
The only mistake she've done is considering elsa a town lean.
I hope there are no mistakes in her solid towns - nero, enchant, cakez...
Though if std is a scum, cakez should be not, i guess.
Though it was the first day, maybe we shouldn't trust titus' reads so much.
Though im ready to make my bet, that there is at least 2 scums in her range - std, bosco, dv.

[over90]

I would think more about Mala again if std flips town and Mala survives the night. Though i dont feel that she is scum

[over90]

The lurker comes back just to vote me because they see 4 votes on me. Wonderful.

i kind of agree with over90 that elsa's posts are vacant of hunting they're just pretty to look pretty

bosco why did you vote for elsa jay

I saw this voting from others. Been away for a few days and can't force myself to read from 15 till 35 pages.
over900 voted Jay too. :о

i dont feel that they are three scums here
smb of them is town (bosco or std)

smb please think more about those interactions between those three. who of them are together with whom.

[over90]

It's very possible Titus was wrong on all 4 in her hero solve. If she's right on one it's DV and my DV read is just completely off which is possible.

[over90]

Ok so full disclosure night one my shot was combined doctor rolecop. Mala came back as jailkeeper neighbor. So she could either have jailkept the killing scum/protected from a kill or been shot in the night.

You guys might have different opinions about what scum would/wouldn't do but I don't see scum shooting mala when Titus dying words were to kill in mala/Bosco and mala was pretty much universally scumread...or at least not townread.

So I'm betting on mala target being shot or being the shooter. Elsa claimed basically VT with a neighborhood D1 so whoever can jump through hoops to explain scum shooting there feel free.

I thought mala targeted kitty tbh with Nero's psuedo claim and the continued push on Bosco made sense from a scum!perspective but I was wrong. Bosco could reasonably be scum.

VOTE: Elsa

bosco is a scum for him

[over90]

If we put a pin in the mala/Elsa thing I'm up to fielding thoughts about the rest of the game and we still need to hear from like Bosco and NK and cakes.

we didnt hear many things from them since that time.
i dont know how to understand these silent slots.
cakez maybe is not with std, because std pushed cakez so much, but im not sure even in that.

[over90]

there are some people who didnt appear here for days

[over90]

i will be later
the nights are too long, i hate it

[over90]

Mala is not dead - strange (but she elimed 2 scums, though why scums need to left JK alive???)
DV is dead - strange
DV said bosco/NM is town - I'm confused, bosco doesn't need to kill dv
(titus said bosco and dv were scums)
Nero was trying to elim NK instead of STD - strange
Nero was pushing italiano, dkkoba continues to do that - strange
Titus said, that italiano and nero are townies - I'm confused
Kitty was defending elsa, i remember this. DV didnt like kitty too.

[over90]

For what line(s) exactly?

[over90]

okay, i'm not good in mechanics

[over90]

So he claimed in the beginning of the game as ascetic pr... I didnt believe that it was serious.

[over90]

i dont trust enchant much

i remember good vibes from italiano on day1

I would elim bosco with ease, if dv was alive saying that bosco is town, but he was shot, eh...maybe because he is confirmed pr for them, not looking at his position about bosco. and he also could check someone on night1. did he check bosco?

I can elim kitty. I thought he is town, but in fact he protected elsa on day1 and his behaviour about titus was very strange like he knew that titus is not lying about her role , i didnt like it so much

[over90]

Nero was saving std...
Nk is just strange...

[over90]

I have nothing to say about potato, but people think he is town on forst pages of the game. Then he stopped playing at all....meh...

And cakez... i hope this is not weird distancing with std

[over90]

I was looking at the bosco slot overnight and believe them to be town. Not_mafia, indeed

Oh, he really checked bosco, right?

Well i had a theory that someone is town among bosco-std-elsa.
If dv checked bosco with his 1shot ability of a cop, then i was right.

[over90]

Now i get it.

[over90]

I'll be later, after sleep.
The only thing i was thinking once yesterday about this game: i thought italiano is not with std on day1. Maybe it is truth. Im too lazy to recheck it, I'm ready just to trust myself. I tried to find smth like this about other connections of players with std and elsa, but there are nothing interesting.

I've completed few games during this one and i'm playing another one right now
Not on this site

[over90]

The only thing i was thinking once yesterday about this game: i thought italiano is not with std on day1. Maybe it is truth. Im too lazy to recheck it, I'm ready just to trust myself.

I've just checked my big post from day 1 (the second page of my iso). It is not updated, but im not sure that i have smth serious to add there

[over90]

VOTE: KittyTacky

I didnt read anything.
I can elim nk15 too for his game.
I want to elim kitty for protecting elsa. But he can be town.

And like I said i consider italiano is not with std, but he is voted by kitty and dkkoba. This is strange.

And i also dont like enchant.

[over90]

I will read everything later, I promise

[over90]

I played with math and dkkoba, i remember, it doesnt help with meta

[over90]

UNVOTE: kitty

[over90]

It is nice time to check what's going on here
well, i'll read during the night, maybe i'll survive the night and share any conclusions

[over90]

Andante, are you scum?)

[over90]

Andante, are you scum?)

you know it!!

Maybe)

[over90]

Guys! Ladies!
Please speed-up the night

[over90]

Ugh((

[over90]

I just can't start reading))

[over90]

It was a pleasure to play with you andante))) now i'll read everything already knowing your color

Im sorry, i had too many other games/duties

[over90]

What votes are most suspicious for u?

[over90]

Dont rush. Reading everything during previous night, I thought about 2 scums in CSF and Enchant, like Dkkoba said, bc Dkkoba seems to be a townie (except one moment with Nero, where he could be trying to save std from elimination, trying to push NK15). I also have a problem with seeing Italiano as townie, and I thought that Italiano and STD are not together... So dont rush. I think we need to think more. I will be here in next few hours, but I need some time to wake up and gave a breakfast. Dont speed up the days. U shoukd speed up these f nights, not days, lmao...

[over90]

. I also have a problem with seeing Italiano as townie

I mean he is good here, if he is a scum. Though cfs looks like he lost much morale after his partners' deaths. With enchant too.

[over90]

I will be here in next few hours

without "in"

[over90]

gave a breakfast

have a breakfast
jesus

[over90]

He is playing the whole game like this.

Could smb remind all serious claims? Among the alive ppl

[over90]

Fine.

VOTE: andante

It’s either andante, csf or nk for me.

i think you're trying to for it in a way that mafia wouldn't like why pick a fight with nero he's just going to shit on you

I'm interested in why we are just both town and that we weren't partners distancing.

i think nero's energy is townie but i dunno if i really know how to read him so take that with a grain of salt, but i'm not convinced by your case

I wasn't really expecting to "convince" anyone on meta, but this day is long and if I'm right, I'm sure it'll show for others to see as well. On the flip, if he is town, that'll show too.

carcalilly called me scum for no reason which is weird i don't really get the TMI post either i wouldn't say no to a carcalilly wagon

Okay. I'm still waiting for Carca to come back and give more insight into the game. She feels kinda trolly so far though so not sure how much we'll get from her.

partners?

[over90]

Mala's quote was posted accidently. Btw there is no dkkoba in her last scumreads before the night

[over90]

You know... i dont understand why nero and dkkoba claim bulletproof. Why to do that? I dont understand. Townie bp should want to be shot, bc they want mafia kill to be lost...correct me if im wrong. Claiming bp this is some kibd of explanation why the player is still alive, and i can see reasons for scums to say that, but it is difficult to understand why townie is doing that... even if he is lying for a townie, this is some kind of "dont shhoot me, shoot other town prs", this is weird for townie play, who should want to be shot instead of town pr...

I need final serious claims from people

[over90]

I see only 2 problems with nero/koba:
1) I see no reason for townie to claim bp, if he is not a useful pr, this is scummy
2) Nero tried to elim NK instead of STD

But I was reading Dkkoba attentively and he looks townie.
And I liked Nero too. We also have some opinions of dead townies that he is town

[over90]

Maybe mass claim is not so bad idea now?

[over90]

Elsa was considering Enchant is the most towny player in the hood, she talked about it a lot, and I guess they were talking in the hood together rather much? With each other? If so, I guess they are not together, because it can be risky to protect her partner so much , especially when sce could be elimed im any moment...

[over90]

"she could be elimed in any moment"

[over90]

I would elim nk15, but dkkoba had some good argument why nk is not with std

[over90]

There's only 4 scum here

I see TMI.
VOTE: Nero

Why is everybody ignoring this?

this isn't a thing

this isn't a s/s interaction

again, this is not a paired interaction, so not sure why you want to push NK15 so hard?

or maybe this is not so good, idk

[over90]

Why this is not s/s? They can have opposite aims. Nk is pushing nero slot, nero tries to pocket nero with this message

[over90]

Nk is rather suicidal for mafia, this is weird for mafia, so he can be town.

Though I remember he forgot that I was very scummy for him in his big post, and his reasons for everything are absolutely bs

[over90]

Yes, let's massclaim.

Im vt
U?

[over90]

nero tries to pocket nero with this message

std tries, not nero

[over90]

Enchant doesn't look too good, but CSF or Andante first IMO.

Andante: kitty
Mala: csf/nk mafia
DV: nm is confirmed town.

I would elim CSF today.
But if he is not mafia, I would elim Dkkoba.
If csf is maf,I would elim enchant/nk.
If dkkoba is mafia, kitty is with him.
Smth like this. Not so sure about cakez btw...

[over90]

I have no feeling that math is scum, though it is hard for me to understand him.

[over90]

Lets massclaim.

[over90]

That's so funny that nero and italiano were fighting, now after replacing dkkoba and csf are fighting. I guess we need to stay on the idea, that there is one scum among them and to elim them both, if the first one flips town

[over90]

What? This is stupid. Maybe just a typo of schadd?
They both told that mala is in the hood (elsa and mala).

[over90]

I'm tired to watch they are pushing each other even after replacements.
So it should be 1 scum between them.
I think that this is not bad plan.
Though I have too many doubts about each of them.
But I rechecked my theory that std is not with italiano/csf, and it can be wrong. It was weak.

[over90]

Reasons?

[over90]

For example the position of csf.
"Everyone else is townier than {NK15, Nashed, kitty}."
How many scums are here for you? He is just looking for easiest targets with minimal resistance, in my opinion

Right now Dkkoba is voting CSF.
CSF is voting NK15.
Csf is more suspicious in this situation

[over90]

Koba is maf.

This sounds like nothing without arguments

[over90]

Please provide good reasons.

[over90]

LMAO HOLD UP DR WORM IS A VASEX ALT?

No. Vasex, Wiki, over90. That's all

[over90]

Over90 do you have any completed scumgames?

I have never been a mafia here on this forum.

[over90]

Although I'm pretty confident that Enchant is town here, so if I die, no shitpushing Enchant! I also think Koba is probably town, so the people who are trying to say there's 1 scum in {me, koba} are lazy at best and scum at worst.

So again... kitty and nk are mafia?
Dkkoba says that all of them are 100% town, and you even dont sr him...
VOTE: CSF

[over90]

And he is pushing your 100% townie Enchant, and 100% townie csf for you, and you still dont scumread Dkkoba...

[over90]

hey people, please update your opinions right now - your scumreads and townreads, maybe only townreads, it would be very helpful! i will update mine too

CONFIRMED TOWN

KittyTacky

STRONG TOWN

over90
ItalianoVD

TOWN LEAN

RCENigma
Carcalilly

NULL

Everyone else not mentioned

SCUM LEAN

Titus
Malakittens

STRONG SCUM

mq.bosco

CONFIRMED SCUM

Nobody yet!

+ gamma/elsa town vibes

[over90]

VOTE: CSF

Sheeping Koba on this.

Why do you vote against your townie Italiano with Nero/koba, who wasnt townie for you?

[over90]

VOTE: Koba

Koba is locktown.

why it is? What's happened?

[over90]

I also think Koba is probably town, so the people who are trying to say there's 1 scum in {me, koba} are lazy at best and scum at worst

I have already explained why I don't think Koba is scum.

I'm actually not sure if NK15 and Kitty are scum together. VC 1.3 would actually suggest against such a team. But I'd like to think at least one of {NK15, Kitty} is scum. If that's not the case, I doubt town will win this game anyway, so.

so you dont like the idea, that 1 scum is between you and koba, and we should think that 1 scum is between you and kitty. okay. maybe even 2, s/s with kitty

[over90]

yeah, kitty is so easy can be scum... but koba protects him

[over90]

VOTE: kitty

[over90]

Kitty's suspicious actions:

1. He protected gamma/elsa, so he protected mafia.
2. He knew for sure that Titus was not lying about her role as scum, so he knew for sure, that she is not a scum and that she was going for sure to flip green.
3. He considered Italiano solid town, Nero was null for him, but then with no good reasons he starts sheeping Dkoba(nero) against kitty's solid town CSF(Italiano) and with no reasons he calls Dkkoba locktown.

Elim kitty

[over90]

I also checked his iso, he didnt talk with std and gamma/elsa at all.

[over90]

My guess for now it is kitty and csf

[over90]

We have pretty enough time

[over90]

VOTE: KittyTacky

I didnt read anything.
I can elim nk15 too for his game.
I want to elim kitty for protecting elsa. But he can be town.

And like I said i consider italiano is not with std, but he is voted by kitty and dkkoba. This is strange.

And i also dont like enchant.

level 1 read - read how scum talk to kitty.

U mean 1 post of std? Elsa didnt talk with kitty, std talked only once. Wtf?

[over90]

Gamma didnt talk with him too

[over90]

Also, told yall Titus is town

Didn't you just not want to lim her because of the d1 PR claim?

Also, told yall Titus is town

Didn't you just not want to lim her because of the d1 PR claim?

is there anything people want me to like defend against

Scum post he's looking for a way out

wtf i'm looking for a case i don't see one

who is mafia and why

Sircakez for reasons i've made earlier

kittytacky for his weird callout of me and weird stance on titus

maybe bosco slot just some bad vibes

maybe nashed potato slot for lurking when i'd probably expect a little more from them

maybe NK15 i'm not sure how to read him

Dkkoba, is this enough to consider Kitty is not with STD? You have shitty reasons to consider kitty is town (your reason was - how scum talks with kitty, but there was only 1 moment of that and u even didnt quote it)

[over90]

Or maybe it is Cakez and Kitty.
Maybe it is not enough to consider he is town for distancing with std...

Well, this game is hard

[over90]

Ugh. Elim kitty.

[over90]

If he is red, next one is dkkoba.
If he is green, next one cakez/csf.

[over90]

If this is about my post, skip it, I'm just not sure that CSF is scum and I dont want to rush elimination of anyone now

[over90]

VOTE: CSF

Sheeping Koba on this.

Why do you vote against your townie Italiano with Nero/koba, who wasnt townie for you?

Because my read changed.

without explanation it sounds like shit

[over90]

VOTE: Koba

Koba is locktown.

why it is? What's happened?

Meta. This smells like town Koba.

bad reason to locktown anybody
u need smth more
Italiano was your solid town. Why do you think that koba is not wrong about italiano/csf?
Where are your reasons for that?

[over90]

I'm not sure about kitty.
If smb has better ideas or reasons...

[over90]

In my opinion, last scums should be low active with no huge morale after losing 2 partners... but maybe im wrong and dont understand local people's willing to play in any circumstances

[over90]

Ahh shit

[over90]

I think there are more chances I'll hammer math, bc I trust dkkoba, nm is cleared... though I hate to be defeated by scums like nk15. Dkkoba also had some good argument about nk15 is not in pair with std, it was definitely better than about kitty... i need to think more

[over90]

What about claims? Remind me who claimed who

[over90]

Kitty, wtf, why enchant became less scum than nk15 for you? What's happened?

[over90]

Yeah? You've protected kitty so much.

[over90]

And you decided not to push each other with csf only when i brought the idea that one scum is among u, and we can elim u both

[over90]

Fine.

VOTE: andante

It’s either andante, csf or nk for me.

Or i can elim nk bc of this

[over90]

lock towns?

what about elsa?

Nero you enchant cakez lock town

Elsa lean

[over90]

NK is not scum.

or maybe i wont hammer nk

[over90]

VOTE: not known 15

Do you think scum interact with me like NK15 has? I guess NK is sort of piggybacking off over90 but I kind of doubt scum bother pushing me tbh

[over90]

Do you think scum interact with me like NK15 has? I guess NK is sort of piggybacking off over90 but I kind of doubt scum bother pushing me tbh

Why would scum not bother pushing you?

I generally think that scum tend to be more thoughtful about their pushes and with NK pushing me for exactly the same thing over90 did D2, which got no traction, it feels... like scum wouldn't do that.

[over90]

81-83 caracalilly isn't amazing here, like on 1 hand is like "TMI!!!" and has these "reads" that reflect that, like why do you have a team of 4 maf on post 83??? and calling everyone else town... doesn't feel like you're actually trying to scumhunt - Caracalilly is now Mathblade
92- I definitely agree, Nero is not towny - Nero is now Koba

[over90]

. I wanna say Carcalilly (MathBlade), and mq.bosco (Not_Mafia) are currently my top scumreads right now, possibly KittyTacky there... I'm sure it'll change, but yeah, hope this "content" was enough to satisfy yall for the moment.

[over90]

what's the case for NK15? all I know is they were getting involved with the setup spec, and umm ever since SS did that, I don't trust anyone that starts giving numbers and percentages lol, but at the time I was like "meh NK15 does setup stuff, prob just nai" and uhh yeah I don't remember anything else from them in the first 9 pages

[over90]

Umm not super caught up, I wanna say carcalilly looked especially scummy from what I was reading, now mathblade, I thought they were basically off the table here based on how people are talking, I'd need to go ISO the remaining people and see my thoughts though. CSF most likely town for helping me instead of just yelling at me...

[over90]

I don't think I want a NK15 wagon so I picked the next wagon going on. Ideal vote here to me would probably be mathblade/Koba just based on carcalilly and Nero, but mehh no one else seems to want those, so it's whatever

[over90]

Tako and bosco didnt think nk is mafia, tako knew his playstyle

[over90]

I dont want to hammer nk15 today.
But I'm not sure that math is mafia.

[over90]

So what? Im gathering all opinions of people whom i can trust

[over90]

Kitty maf i guess

[over90]

VOTE: kitty

[over90]

oh no my vest

So u are just bulletproof townie? It is kinda strange

[over90]

And there is no strongman, right?

[over90]

I dont need to think more if the last one is Kitty.
He even didnt show himself today...

I need to think much if it is not Kitty.

[over90]

I will elim koba, if there will be three players alive.

[over90]

Koba, in fact you trried to elim no scums, but townies instead of them.
On day 1 i dont remember that you tried to elim elsa or std or carca much.
On day2 it was obv to elim elsa, so doesnt count.
On day 3 you tried to elim nk15 or nm instead of std.
On day 4 hard attack to andante from you.
On day 5 yeah, you are playing against math... but should i remember where you recommend me to vote, when it was 4 4 and e-1 for both... you suggest me to vote not math, but nk15

[over90]

Over hammer. These 2 wagons are fine because even if nk15 is miselimed it cracks open the game
If he flips scum well then i just get mislimmed and i have faith in final 3

[over90]

Save The Dragons (4) - Mala, Cakez,

Nero

, Enchant, over90
NK15 - Nero
NM - NK15

Need 7 to elim

[over90]

On day2 it was obv to elim elsa, so doesnt count.

lmao, he has no vote to elsa on day2

[over90]

Spoiler:

d2 final

Elsa Jay (8):

Cat Scratch Fever, over90, MathBlade, Enchant, Malakittens, Save The Dragons, DeasVail, SirCakez

Not_Mafia (2):

KittyTacky, Not_Mafia

Malakittens (1):

Elsa Jay

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (3):

NashedPotato, Not Known 15, RCEnigma

with 15 alive, it took 8 to cause someone to be ever so slowly slowly locked up in their own house

[over90]

Italiano/Csf and enchant are scumreading you
You had strange thoughts sometime, for example talking useless shit about the hood (like math did), claiming bp pr and mafia are so dumb to shoot you after that...
Maybe there are 5 mafia scums

dkkoba, kitty, std, elsa, math

because kitty is saying that you are locktown for him with no reason
and if the game doesnt end on kitty...

[over90]

VOTE: KittyTacky

town wins!

Awesome hammering

Thanks to all players