cw what happened that made you untownlock meIn post 819, Confidently Wrong wrote:Good morning i slept all day
The people tunneling on loftwing need to stop when scum eira is right there.
I also am untownlocking irrelephant until they can explain where their mind went from Eira to Loftwing - I did not feel good about the last few pages and how they treated certain slots suddenly.
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Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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My case goes way deeper than this. The entire dynamic between Loft and you feels off, as it does with loft kenny but less so to me. Lowell was my top pick for a vote early D1. Since then I locked them town, and there they stay until D4, if both of us are alive and if D4 even comes at this point.In post 1771, Confidently Wrong wrote:Loftwing saw me townread them and used that to hide behind me but no im scum with them
Town has never hard defended mafia in their life amirite. I guess that tracks with why you think lowell has to be town... you're hard defending them so.they cant be mafia!! Impossible! Would destroy your whole argument on me, if one ignores the fact that it would mean lowell scum and game over.
I really did. I truly did, like just I expected a more civil discourse at this point. I'm not cussing or insulting you like a dog, and I'm not gonna. That's why I'm wary of engaging with you. And yeah I expected more. If you are town, I really expected more. Right now, and through much of day two and three, I can't shake the feeling that you're scum salty cos their team lucked out with vig/tracker.In post 1772, Confidently Wrong wrote:You expected more? No you are lying now. You had your mind set. You can say you're scumreading me, but dont fucking lie to me that you were open to townread me.
Like I said, I don't care. It's you over Lowell right now and that ain't gonna change. And I am a clown, haven't u noticed ; )In post 1773, Confidently Wrong wrote:Your case is embarassingly filled with bias. It will look extemely clownish post game. My case on lowell is what a proper scumcase looks like that takes into account things you might see as town
In post 1774, Confidently Wrong wrote:Also eira you're not going to convince irrel or dunns for that matrer because they both know ive towntold out my ass because i can continue to produce content which is extemely towny for me. You've never played with me before, people like Enchant and Dunns have.
Good for them. If they can peg CW in a heartbeat, let 'em. Or they can go over what I said, what you said, and reach their conclusions. Im not going to push them either way, as I said earlier, the only hard push I'll make today is against anyone who wanna elim lowell.
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I had an early scum read of Kenny from early game and it never really changed.In post 1768, Irrelephant11 wrote:
BBT can you go over your scumread of Kenny and whatever read you have on CW?In post 1513, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'd vote out the Kenny slot before a replacement is even found I'm that confident he is scum
However, upon flips it looks like Kenny has been cleared by Shoshin pushing Loft on his vote/unvote of Kenny. Which you would have seen if you had read my posts? I don't actually think Kenny is scum anymore and I think the last one could actually be CW.
I need to go over Shoshin's ISOMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Also, if I'm completely honest, I thought the no-kill (?) tied in with Kenny being super inactive was just a dead giveaway?
Reflecting on this, I think Mod would have extended deadline if this were the case though? I guess scum could have shot Mala as well as Vig, but meh, I don't see it.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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@KittyTacky I think Lowell is voting for Dunnstral?-
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Eira im going to be brutally honest. you are not a player who as far as I can tell is some sort of mafia prodigy who has way better reads than other people. If you're along on your island you are probably wrong. Just like how I was wrong alone on my island on Loftwing. You won't listen to that because it's coming from your super duper confident scumread of yours but its the fucking truth lmao and its extremely frustrating to argue with you because like i mentioned before you are both confbiasing your conclusion and working backwards and also refusing to acknowledge logic that opposes your view.-
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bc I was extremely tunneled on eira scum at the time and thought you were teamed with them. I thought that much was obvious from the post and the implication of it. Like.. the explaintion is in the post actually now that I reread it ... so not sure why ask me when its right there.In post 1775, Irrelephant11 wrote:
cw what happened that made you untownlock meIn post 819, Confidently Wrong wrote:Good morning i slept all day
The people tunneling on loftwing need to stop when scum eira is right there.
I also am untownlocking irrelephant until they can explain where their mind went from Eira to Loftwing - I did not feel good about the last few pages and how they treated certain slots suddenly.-
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You wrote this based on an early game scumread you hadn’t thought about since d1?In post 1612, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm stunned you think Kenny is town CW
I see that you’re now saying Kenny could be town, I’m trying to understand the basis for what seemed like a very very strong scumread on Kenny that you had until Dunn repped in. To understand your mindsetHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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In post 847, Lowell wrote:This is terrible ^In post 848, Lowell wrote:Like pulling teeth around here. Let’s all call a guy useless and scummy and do nothing.
CW, can you talk about why Scum!Lowell makes these posts please?In post 853, Lowell wrote:Dudes loft posted 8 times in the last day and a half, listing all his suspects, what exactly you want from him? Vote him or don’t. BBT is scum, eira is probably town, I have this read in my head and can’t shake it now.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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Eira you expected me to not push Lowell and push Enchant. That is exactly what you wanted. You think that as town I will do exactly that. You arePROJECTINGYOUR thought process onto ME. I am NOT YOU. I hate when people project onto me and it is obnoxious. We are not the same. We do not think the same. You are not going to get me to act like you when you're town. Because I dont act like you when I'm town. I act like this. This is town me. And I've been trying to get you to accept that for a while but hey.-
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Okay fair, that’s not how I read it at first but you’re rightIn post 1782, Confidently Wrong wrote:
bc I was extremely tunneled on eira scum at the time and thought you were teamed with them. I thought that much was obvious from the post and the implication of it. Like.. the explaintion is in the post actually now that I reread it ... so not sure why ask me when its right there.In post 1775, Irrelephant11 wrote:
cw what happened that made you untownlock meIn post 819, Confidently Wrong wrote:Good morning i slept all day
The people tunneling on loftwing need to stop when scum eira is right there.
I also am untownlocking irrelephant until they can explain where their mind went from Eira to Loftwing - I did not feel good about the last few pages and how they treated certain slots suddenly.Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Sometimes I overstate reads. My previous reasons still apply. Dunn helped me to reeval the slot, sure. As did rereading the ISOs of flipped scum.In post 1783, Irrelephant11 wrote:
You wrote this based on an early game scumread you hadn’t thought about since d1?In post 1612, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I'm stunned you think Kenny is town CW
I see that you’re now saying Kenny could be town, I’m trying to understand the basis for what seemed like a very very strong scumread on Kenny that you had until Dunn repped in. To understand your mindsetMeta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.-
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In post 1781, Confidently Wrong wrote:Eira im going to be brutally honest. you are not a player who as far as I can tell is some sort of mafia prodigy who has way better reads than other people. If you're along on your island you are probably wrong. Just like how I was wrong alone on my island on Loftwing. You won't listen to that because it's coming from your super duper confident scumread of yours but its the fucking truth lmao and its extremely frustrating to argue with you because like i mentioned before you are both confbiasing your conclusion and working backwards and also refusing to acknowledge logic that opposes your view.
like whatever tbh appeal to authority. i'm scum hunting, plain and simple. step out of your panic room and actually approach me or stop whining about my methodology like a goblin with a stick. i'm done for now, ill build my case further and post it but i wont engage with you cos u toxic and that makes me toxic.
id rather have good vibes
And honestly even if im wrong idc. I'm pretty sure which three players scum are in, we have breathing room, so i won't she any tears for a cw mis-elim at this point unless you make some major claim, after the investigative roleclaim you made, which you then retracted. but have fun, and make sure to remind everyone how your irrel read shifted only because toffee townread loftwing ; ) Like i'm not engage with you because there's still D2 and D3, your entire 'case' on Lowell, for me to cover.
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remember how you almost shouted at me about how i vote wrong day one? welcome to the club bub.In post 1785, Confidently Wrong wrote:Eira you expected me to not push Lowell and push Enchant. That is exactly what you wanted. You think that as town I will do exactly that. You arePROJECTINGYOUR thought process onto ME. I am NOT YOU. I hate when people project onto me and it is obnoxious. We are not the same. We do not think the same. You are not going to get me to act like you when you're town. Because I dont act like you when I'm town. I act like this. This is town me. And I've been trying to get you to accept that for a while but hey.-
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because distancing exists and the dude is TMIing loft scum. Lowell is also the only one who has not considered anyone in the PoE as town and has tried to ignore sorting within it, I think if you try to focus on what is a hellbus strictly to clear them you are going to get nowhere. Because it was a wild move in a desperate situation that will seem wrong.In post 1784, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:In post 847, Lowell wrote:This is terrible ^In post 848, Lowell wrote:Like pulling teeth around here. Let’s all call a guy useless and scummy and do nothing.
CW, can you talk about why Scum!Lowell makes these posts please?In post 853, Lowell wrote:Dudes loft posted 8 times in the last day and a half, listing all his suspects, what exactly you want from him? Vote him or don’t. BBT is scum, eira is probably town, I have this read in my head and can’t shake it now.
I perhaps also understand this is possible because I have pushed over a partner in similar ways for cred and distanced. So it is something I can recognize when reading back and learn to ignore until other evidence shows it is true.
The point is that I don't care that Lowell pushed scum hard. I care that the way they reached that conclusion was congruent with a town thought process and not just scum choosing to place themselves in a nice cozy position around their partner.
You can sort people best when you look at how they push people who flipped town, because pushing scum can look natural and organic the most - which is why I ask people to look at how mainly, Lowell has treated CSF
WHO PEOPLE STILL CANT EXPLAIN WHY THEY DIE IN ANY OTHER WORLD BUT LOWELL SCUM WORLD
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shrug i usually have above average accuracy on d1. confidence usually warranted, was not warranted here.In post 1789, Eiralox wrote:
remember how you almost shouted at me about how i vote wrong day one? welcome to the club bub.In post 1785, Confidently Wrong wrote:Eira you expected me to not push Lowell and push Enchant. That is exactly what you wanted. You think that as town I will do exactly that. You arePROJECTINGYOUR thought process onto ME. I am NOT YOU. I hate when people project onto me and it is obnoxious. We are not the same. We do not think the same. You are not going to get me to act like you when you're town. Because I dont act like you when I'm town. I act like this. This is town me. And I've been trying to get you to accept that for a while but hey.-
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I’ve posted why CSF would die in any scum world. General towniness and/or guessing at TPR (they were sorta right if so)Hey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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I think some of my early Kenny scumread might have been a result of a language barrier but fwiw dunn has not towntold so strongly it could never come from scum. He’s posted like a dozen times and was aware he was at E-1 and needed to perform or lose if scumHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Ok Eira - let's lay out the logic here so I can show how ridiculous you are in assuming it is only scummy:In post 1788, Eiralox wrote:In post 1781, Confidently Wrong wrote:Eira im going to be brutally honest. you are not a player who as far as I can tell is some sort of mafia prodigy who has way better reads than other people. If you're along on your island you are probably wrong. Just like how I was wrong alone on my island on Loftwing. You won't listen to that because it's coming from your super duper confident scumread of yours but its the fucking truth lmao and its extremely frustrating to argue with you because like i mentioned before you are both confbiasing your conclusion and working backwards and also refusing to acknowledge logic that opposes your view.
like whatever tbh appeal to authority. i'm scum hunting, plain and simple. step out of your panic room and actually approach me or stop whining about my methodology like a goblin with a stick. i'm done for now, ill build my case further and post it but i wont engage with you cos u toxic and that makes me toxic.
id rather have good vibes
And honestly even if im wrong idc. I'm pretty sure which three players scum are in, we have breathing room, so i won't she any tears for a cw mis-elim at this point unless you make some major claim, after the investigative roleclaim you made, which you then retracted. but have fun,and make sure to remind everyone how your irrel read shifted only because toffee townread loftwing; ) Like i'm not engage with you because there's still D2 and D3, your entire 'case' on Lowell, for me to cover.
Hav fun tho.
You townread someone really hard. like REALLY hard. They're townier than anyone else. You dont know their alignment though, theyre a scum who is fooling you at that very moment. This can be Player A.
There is a player you scumread really hard for what you believe are good reasons to scumread someone, we can call that Player B. That person is being pushed currently by another one of your townreads, lets call that person Player C. You are sure that person is town but you've never played with them before so you're not quite sure what they're capable of if scum. Let's remind the reader that none of the alignments are known to you at this time.
So Player C shifts from player B to Player A in a way that you feel was possibly with intent to dismantle a wagon on scum, and that they were just distancing and got off when it was hot.
It would then be reasonable to think that Player C is potentially mafia with Player B and not be as sure of them as town.
I hope this very simple explaination makes sense to you because I'm reaching my limit.-
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no lmaoIn post 1792, Irrelephant11 wrote:I’ve posted why CSF would die in any scum world. General towniness and/or guessing at TPR (they were sorta right if so)-
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CSF wasn’t vanilla thoughHey all! Excited and nervous to play my first game with you!
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Now this could come from Scum!LowellIn post 935, Lowell wrote:Fine. I’ll be white-knighting scumBBTs errand boy if it gets us a vote.
vote Fred
I guess this ship has sailed, but man does that ever seem like a fake-claim. Never heard of a neighborizer—why would it exist in a mini.Meta this. Meta that. Meta Everything. Meta is not a good scum-hunting tool. PEOPLE CAN MANIPULATE THEIR META. Stop it. Stop. It. Now.
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