LOST (Game Over)

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Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

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Hi Mislim bait so you joined the game without reading the game first?

I sure did and I got town.

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Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

Hey there, also @CSF this was the player in the game when you were wolf, this was the town that TR'ed me but I SR'ed them and you won.

I only got few games and a 100% town win rate so maybe you got the wrong person?

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Hello I haven't played for 2 years so I'm a bit rusty and old doge.
So I hope you guys won't mislim me that would be horrible.

I havent read anything yet.
Is there anything I need to know before I start

I would say start from flips and play as you go

Game is too fast to try to read before posting

Mason Roden/Dwlee
Dunn claimed something comfirmable
Frog claimed two shot role cop
Lots of hoods someone has list

C&G and I are in one

is the mason thing confirmed?
I'll probably just start reading with isos
from the looks of it I'm pretty sure one of the neighborhoods got wolves so maybe look at their partner when one of them flips town

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Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

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Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

thats fair
although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

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wtf is wrong with Cytosine and Guanine slot

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Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

thats fair
although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

I can see this from town Taly to be fair. The gladiate itself seemed a bit...out of nowhere at the time and if you're a townie who's not exactly on the verge of being eliminated, I can see why you'd grow convinced that scum are trying to forcibly eliminate you from the game.

I think Ceph was town and I think some of the votes to eliminate them are incredibly suspect, but the motivation for why scum Ceph might go for the gladiate wasn't entirely terrible and given how the votes lined up, it's clear some townies bought into that.

what are you trying to say with the bolded sentence?
Some votes on ceph are incredibly suspect but also townies also voted them?

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Flavor

you may only vote for Taly or Cephrir

Vote Count 1.31

13 Cephrir (ProfessorDrapion, JohnnyFarrar, Taly, Off the Hook, Malakittens, Lukewarm, T-Bone, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rad, Dancing Puppets, Mathblade, RCEnigma, Bell)
7 Taly (Dunnstral, Cephrir, Frogsterking, Klick, MalcolmTucker, Roden, Cat Scratch Fever)

Not Voting (Cytosine and Guanine, Enchant, Bellaphant, BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, Best Bird)

With 26 alive, it takes 14 to yeet.

Deadline: (expired on 2022-07-18 12:42:51)

Mod Notes

Replacing Klick
Mala on V/LA until the 16th
Titus V/LA
Best Bird V/LA
Taly V/LA
Lukewarm V/LA
Mathblade V/LA
Wedding week and new job expect less from me

So three of taly's voters flip town
1 is mason and 1 is klick which is the person I subbed for and know that is town.
any reason why we shouldn't speed lunch taly here?
I'll try to read malcolm and cat

You may have missed that there was a gladiate between Ceph and Taly day 1, which kinda messes with this line of thinking imo

thats fair
although from a quick skim of taly's iso.
they didnt have an initial read on ceph before the gladiate and their case against ceph centered around the whole gladiate thing being scum motivated.
This could probably be excused due to it being 1v1 but still a bit of bad look.
will look forward to how they will bounce back today after they were wrong on their reads.

I can see this from town Taly to be fair. The gladiate itself seemed a bit...out of nowhere at the time and if you're a townie who's not exactly on the verge of being eliminated, I can see why you'd grow convinced that scum are trying to forcibly eliminate you from the game.

I think Ceph was town and I think some of the votes to eliminate them are incredibly suspect, but the motivation for why scum Ceph might go for the gladiate wasn't entirely terrible and given how the votes lined up, it's clear some townies bought into that.

what are you trying to say with the bolded sentence?

Some votes on ceph are incredibly suspect but also townies also voted them?

Yes? That's pretty obvious. Ceph got a majority of votes and thereby likely had a combo of scum positioning on them and town genuinely being convinced that it was a scum gambit. I didn't particularly buy into that but understood where the thought process was coming from toward the end.

ofc it was obvious that's exactly why I asked you. You're pretty much saying the obvious in such a hedgy way.
We know for sure ceph voters got town but none of them flipped yet so on what basis are you saying that some townies bought into that aside from the obvious?

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yo what's the case on math

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don't quote me on this but I generally think that nk analysis is more likely to come from town because it's bad.

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Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine

also how fck up is this guys role
how common is this guys role here in ms?
I get if it's post limit but imagine sharing 100 words as a hydra

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don't quote me on this but I generally think that nk analysis is more likely to come from town because it's bad.

VOTE: RCEnigma

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whos alt is professordrapion they claim to know who i am

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do u have any actual reads

a lil bit but mostly on low posters cause im too lazy to iso

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I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

I never watched Lost so all flavor is completely, ahem, lost on me. Happy to be town though!

Wolfy entrance.
VOTE: Rad

Lukewarm and Bell give early towny vibes.

How's that wolfy? *growls*

'happy to be town' feels off.

here's an example of scummy posts early on

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VOTE: Cephrir

Think Rad has confidence, seems more like newish town than scum imo. Happy to opportunistically hop on the flashwagon

You are being pretentious about this. Nobody else has placed great importance to your reads and there is no real reason for you to keep this information hidden.

I agree but taking his reads too seriously feels slightly town from the frog?

yo rc you looked like you subbed into a scum slot

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WHY THE FUCK AM I BEING WAGONED

GET THE FUCK OUT OF TOWN

IM ON VACATION FIRST
AND IM POSTING A DECENT AMOUNT

no I’m not going to read every single fucking page of this fuckng game while
I’m on vacation and doing school.

However when I’m here I’m active and commenting (maybe along with some page top steals)

I WANT EACH AND EVERYONE WHO THINKS IM SCUM TO EXPLAIN WHY

I’m actually legit fucking pissed right now

One because we decided to run up a mason and expose that.

So can we not run me up, thanks? I’m dead serious don’t even do it.

Full stop.

how did you guys let this coast by
this sounds fake and even called you guys town

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enchant can die also
they frozen boi

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VOTE: Cephrir

Think Rad has confidence, seems more like newish town than scum imo. Happy to opportunistically hop on the flashwagon

You are being pretentious about this. Nobody else has placed great importance to your reads and there is no real reason for you to keep this information hidden.

I agree but taking his reads too seriously feels slightly town from the frog?

yo rc you looked like you subbed into a scum slot

Guess you haven’t seen my SUPER TOWN role pm.

are you crumbing somethin

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who would call their role pm super town in full caps

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if your claim isn't ic i will lunch you

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I'm sure everyone already knows this but I have a chat with dancing somethin if anyone thinks their mafia you should raise your hand

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if your claim isn't ic i will lunch you

Lunch away.

*Raises*

that bearded child over there
yes you may speak

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how did the lunch got decided when we still have 10 days before day ends

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I'm gonna bet mathblade is town but I have the most flimsiest read so I'm not gonna save them

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I'm gonna bet mathblade is town but I have the most flimsiest read so I'm not gonna save them

What is the flimsiest reason to think that he is town?

instinct

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C&G's post restriction sounds fake as fuck at this point

I just don't get why they'd make it up in the first place, and that's the only reason I don't want to hard push them atm

I mean if they could self destruct then we just have to give them a d5 deadline to get themselves modkilled because their role is horrible for late game

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Does anyone think that there is still a benefit for me to keep my neighbor unmentioned?


Pedit: I think that C+G should reach out to the mod, see what the effect of breaking the limit is/was, and see if it is gonna happen now that it has been revealed, and report back.

STD literally got married over the night phase, so I could see him missing it.

We did.
He says that we were close enough so we won't get modkilled for breaking the limit.
-Guanine

maybe I'm being nitpicky but now that I think about it
mod kill is a weird word to use when getting eliminated is supposedly part of the mechanic of your own role.

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C&G's post restriction sounds fake as fuck at this point

I just don't get why they'd make it up in the first place, and that's the only reason I don't want to hard push them atm

I mean if they could self destruct then we just have to give them a d5 deadline to get themselves modkilled because their role is horrible for late game

They claimed that their posting restriction was only for Day 1, and that they have no restriction any longer.

oh well then nvm
I didn't notice much difference.
they're underwhelming today for someone who got restricted last day while also being a hydra

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322212121332122223312111212
~Cytosine

this is 27 numbers - there are 26 players in the game

did you mess up somewhere? can you double check and give me the right number pls

this is what your readlist looks like in my spreadsheet; I left out the last number

32221212133212222331211112
-Guanine

alright i'll spend the next 30 minutes updating the spreadsheet - I'm kind of lazy ngl.

here's where it's at right now:



give me your updates.

22221112123212222221211112
VOTE: Roden
-Guanine

Pooky what's BB at in the Readslist

I haven't updated since last night

what do people want to change?

22221112121212212313211112
-Guanine

@Pooky
Can you move Dunn and Klick 1 up, Frogster 1 down?
-Guanine

so if im reading this right
based on this numbers my slot Klick and bell had been going back and forth between scum null and town
what happened with this reads my slot haven't even posted much

the first one is like klick and bell red
2nd one is both null
3rd one is klick red and bell green
then you move klick 1 up after

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maybe you can talk more about your reads now that you're not restricted

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I'm gonna bet mathblade is town but I have the most flimsiest read so I'm not gonna save them

What a disgusting post

what does this mean
is it a scummy post?

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What is interesting is that most of the leading wagons this game have been on town - which means scum are driving the narrative of the game really well.

Of course, people won't look at certain other people because meta or some other BS until it gets to D4 or something and they start to open their eyes.

This meta circle jerk that goes on makes the game extremely difficult to play and difficult to insert myself into. I simply have to wait until meta players decide to reevaluate or even consider other viewpoints. It's usually too late by then though, it also gives scum players a great place to hide.

what does this mean
is it a scummy post?

100%. Reeks of TMI. Like, you're confident enough to say that Math will flip town but not confident enough to do anything about it?

why do I need to have a certain level of confidence to post something?
I'm just posting directly out of my thoughts

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You bet Mathblade is town = confident
But your read is flimsy so you won't defend = not confident?

Your sentences literally contradict each other

that sentence sounds completely fine put together lol
what are you trying to pull

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You don't.

But simultaneously saying you bet someone will flip town without attempting to a) try and stop it or b) redirect elsewhere is scummy as shit. It's basically a told you so in waiting in the case of Town!Math to look good.

oh I assure you that this would definitely happen but not in the case of 'wolf me trying to look good' but more of a 'I'm better than any town here' kind of scenario.

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what are bbt's reads anyway? he's complaining about most wagons being town and that scum are controlling this game but his best vote is me who only got less than 40 posts

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I think Ceph was town and I think some of the votes to eliminate them are incredibly suspect, but the motivation for why scum Ceph might go for the gladiate wasn't entirely terrible and given how the votes lined up, it's clear some townies bought into that.

malcom said something similar.
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some votes on them are very suspect but the reason isn't entirely bad because some townies voted them

'

anyone have a read on malcolm?

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And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

ISO me

wait thats the best you got?

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why is everyone and their mom obsessed with day 1 vcas with no mafia flips

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so the whole case against my slot started with me possibly TMIng math town but it suddenly evolved into a klick case.

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Yeah, your bad post made me ISO your predecessor and then I'll look into what you have done so far as well.

You worried?

You're obviously nitpicking with a red lens because you voted me first before isoing klick

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I like vcas but its bad to go overboard with it because you only see the results and ignore alot of context

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I still hate how I'm suddenly Muslim Bait after being away for a while gdi

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whats with the reaction towards bbt is this the first time they did something?

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Oh so he's frozen boi like enchant but louder

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that handsome doge is indeed me and that is the 4th post after subbing in with nothing else to go by.

again what are you trying to pull lol.
I did say I like vca and I didn't go overboard by continuously pushing tris

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Damn, all of Mislim's reads are very poorly explained.

I'm really happy with my vote and look forward to a wagon building.

do i have reads that needs some explaining?

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You did go overboard because you literally said 'Is there any reason we shouldn't use this VCA to speed elim Taly?'

If a speed elim is not going overboard, what is?

thats a question to get more context

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You could start by having reads, but sure.

Talk to me about your scum reads.

Actually no

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I don't wanna believe that bbt really thinks that his against me are actually good

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enchant gets a word count buff everytime he talks about something nai or mechanic.
mala had this idgaf energy but suddenly went full caps screaming bloody hell after getting wagoned which sounds fake

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also BBT I haven't read your iso and I don't wanna add more oil to fire but this pushes are actually horrible that I don't want to believe it is town.

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I don't wanna dumb down my reads more than I already have just to talk with you

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VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

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You can't find a stronger scum read than Enchant?

I should be the one asking you this.
you were around d1 and your best case is this?
I just subbed so I got an excuse

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Yeah, your bad post made me ISO your predecessor and then I'll look into what you have done so far as well.

You worried?

You're obviously nitpicking with a red lens because you voted me first before isoing klick

I understand MLB’s feelings here a bit but BBT’s progression also feels logical.

~GE

You did go overboard because you literally said 'Is there any reason we shouldn't use this VCA to speed elim Taly?'

If a speed elim is not going overboard, what is?

thats a question to get more context

Could have phrased it better then

~GE

Does GE actually think that BBT's pushes are good? no fckin way

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We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

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Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

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Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

So which pushes are actually bad?

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We're kind of behind.
Can any of you help catch us up?
-Guanine

8816

Oh. Yeah.
I already found both Bell and Klick to be playing how I expected both to play as Town.
Then, I decided that it was likely NAI so moved them to null.
However, I decided that Klick wasn't posting a lot which I found scum!indicative while Bell's explanation for his behaviour made sense.
Then, after a while, especially since I read Dunn's claim, I decided to move both him and Klick to null so that I could re-evaluate my reads later.
-Guanine

Your first read on both klick and bell wasn't a town read but a scum read though.

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Without the dreaded meta, I'd probably have spite voted them. Since their chat restriction has barely if at all improved their posting.
Which makes less than zero sense give Guanine's personality being one I would expect to have more substantial, concrete opinions and actions than they have deliberately declined to have this game.
Frankly, it sux.

the constant change in reads not just on us but also others last day made me think that they have much more to share like they're constantly contemplating something.

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Looking at your own list it kind of feels like you are conflating being widely scum read with being an easy push, and also an easy push with a safe push.

A town that's widely scum read is an easy push for scum to make. So I'm more cautious of those in the "easy" list and will focus more on the reasons given for a vote on them than anyone else.

Are there probably scum in this list? Yeah for sure unless town is absolutely lost (hurrr) this game. A push on any one of them doesn't mean it's a push on town, but if there are town in that list, they're likely going to get pushed by scum.

That's my theory here.

scum pushing lhf is just basic hunting theory.
who's reasons are bad is what matters

Yeah, it's LHF theory, isn't it. Sorry for being basic

I think I got caught up in Luke's point about Enchant and wanted to explore and confirm it.

So which pushes are actually bad?

TBH I dunno. Anything you're spotting in particular?

I wasn't paying attention thats why I wanted to know

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Made the case before that their case on Puppets was really odd - no real reasoning for it and they became very tetchy when questioned here. Tried to deflect by saying I was reading too much into them, very much tried to back off Puppets gradually without suddenly just dropping the read in case doing so appeared too forced.

Not too keen on the way they unvoted Mala in 5821. Again they point out Mala hasn't engaged much despite the complaints about having to catch up and I was at a point in D1 where I'd have agreed Mala was a reasonable compromise wagon. But instead of continuing on this path and trying to force more from Mala, Rad just sort of backs off immediately instead of continuing in their efforts to push the slot, despite also sort of not really rescinding the scumread either?

I think Rad maybe voted Taly when the gladiate first happened because they felt it was the only viable option for scum to pursue, even if getting rid of Ceph could potentially be advantageous. Rad then suddenly unvotes and is baffled at the idea of others wanting to kill Taly - seems they are perhaps positioning themselves as scum who sits off the vote entirely, so either way they don't look suspect when the loser of the gladiate comes back as town (presuming Taly is also town in this scenario). But then the momentum begins to shift to Ceph and it instead becomes conductive for scum to eliminate there instead.

this post is absolutely horrible and I hate the idea of having to explain why
free townpoints to someone who understands why it is

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thats too many words for an old bear like me to read eager puppy

gonna need a tldr

this post is absolutely horrible and I hate the idea of having to explain why

you may hate the idea, but what about the action of explaining why...for those of us with bird brains.

If you've played mafia for awhile now I'm sure you've encountered one of those wordy posts that scum makes to look busy but the contents are pretty weak.

here malcolm did a play by play by commentary on rad's action while adding a bit of his own scum narrative as if every rad's actions are scum motivated.
they made it as if it's a big solid case but the content are weak and could be summed up in a few sentences

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@rad, fair. I basically summarised Malcolm's post as 'rad has occasionally backed off from confrontation ', which I do see. I also think that town do make these weird stories, because I do think it is what professor drapion is doing to me - it kind of doesn't matter what I respond, they've decided a thing and their narrative is stronger.

if you could summarized that whole wall post in 1 sentence why are 'surprised' that it's a bad take?

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@rad, fair. I basically summarised Malcolm's post as 'rad has occasionally backed off from confrontation ', which I do see. I also think that town do make these weird stories, because I do think it is what professor drapion is doing to me - it kind of doesn't matter what I respond, they've decided a thing and their narrative is stronger.

if you could summarized that whole wall post in 1 sentence why are 'surprised' that it's a bad take?

are you going to vote for your scumread or what

actually yes
VOTE: Malcolm
I wasn't done isoing them so there might be more where it came from.
I'm also slightly worried for town that I had to point this one out for people to notice and make a new wagon.
iirc bbt/math were like the only wagons this whole day.

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I feel like I just explained? Can you ask me a clearer question? No shade but I literally just talked through my thought process.

I feel like yoy agree that there's not much content in that novel but you don't think its bad.

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....that's less clear! Like I'm five, please

oh f
okay why does little bella think its bad?

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I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

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Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

are you voting malcolm yet

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I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

okay then I'm not sure what made malcom TR luke enough to debunk that whole case easily because they never talked about luke before that post.

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@Mislim Bait - Malcolm and Luke are in a neighborhood together, so keep that in mind when considering their reads on each other

oh
well then luke what did you say in the chat

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I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

You misread that post.

He was calling Rad town with that "pushing the game forward line."

I actually quite like that malcomn post the more that I think about it.

He is saying he is not swayed by Rad's case on me, but town reads Rad for making it.

Because that looks like genuine effort to solve, and is out pushing a scum read when a lot of other people were still not doing much, or to push the game out of RVS.

And also does not think that scum!Rad picks a me as the person to push, if he just feels like he needs to find someone to push.

That all seems like solid enough reasons to town read Rad at that point in the game.

I'm not arguing about his rad read its more about his read on you.
if rad's case is like a gem in the sea of rvs like you said then it's a pretty easy read.

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So I went ahead and read through Luke's ISO so far...

luke's 85 is referring to Off the Hook (marci version I think... yeah confirmed in 166). I think this town read is a super easy thing for scum!Luke to say to town!OTH, but also a reasonably easy thing for scum!Luke to say to scum!OTH. Does town!Luke really have this much confidence in a town read that soon based on meta alone?

luke town reads Mala in 78/166 from Mala's 2 opening posts. 2. opening. posts. I was thinking about Mala's potential power claim - being able to talk to the dead? Intitially sounds like a townie type power, but what if it's a scum power? That would be really powerful as well, being able to talk to the dead and make up dead town reads as they see fit. Plus I think you'd be more likely to just let that one slip early as scum to try to look like a town claim, cause if you're town and you just gave away a huge power like that, you're not even going to get a chance to use it as you're most likely going to be the first NK. So I'm not sure where this town read is coming from beyond potentially reading that power as a town power and not thinking it through?

Beyond that, for the most part, Luke's posts are just about the game's flavor, some past game banter, some non-AI style conversations about game rules or theory.

I'm not saying Luke's just trying to look useful without saying much... but... yeah that's the impression I just got from reading the ISO so far. I mean I was expecting to go into it and get some decent content out of it, but it was really thin on anything useful. I know it's early game so everyone's been spamming a bunch of useless bs, but Luke's ISO reads like it's serious from the start, and all I really got out of it was 2 bad town reads and a lot of nothing.

Hey

@Frogster

take a quick glance at Luke's ISO and tell me if you see the same lack of content. I ask you specifically because of your 270 which makes me believe you've got an eye for that sort of thing.

I actually find it strange that Mislim Bait is defending this case as being too good to dismiss, while also calling out malcolm for being over explainy for simple reads.

Like. This entire case was:

Luke town read OTH based on Meta (and Rad did not like that). Luke town read Mala based off of her early claim (and rad did not like that). And Luke has a serious tone, but appears to be talking about non-game related stuff a lot.

I actually hated that case against me when it happened.

Mislim, do you really think that people should have read this post, and should it should have definitely swayed peoples read on me?

this has more meat than malcolm's post and this was early d1

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so like malcolm just townreads you because you're neighbors is what I'm seeing.

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Calling a fight TvT then town reading one side and calling it wrong without a reason is always a bad look for me.
if you think it's TvT then the least you could do is make it stop and tell them why they're wrong

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who got the list of claimed neighbors

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I find that telling people they are wrong is an excellent way to diffuse situations.

you are wrong

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I also very much feel like Mislim Bait has moved the goal post at least a couple of times, and the thing that he is arguing now is not the same thing that he was arguing before.

believe me or not but an empty post saying it's TvT looks more natural.

and you're the one asking questions about this and I'm just responding this whole time.

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Hi. So we got a mafia flip and potentially another one? noice.
iirc C&G got a neighbor chat with Math so maybe you could copy paste the whole chat here

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They had a post restriction, although they seemed to have broken it.

Sorry, I shouldn't post at 3am, I briefly forgot masons! It's nice to know that Bella's sleepy gut was on the right track
@taly, you asked about reads. My strongest scum read right now is still Johnny, I think I'm mellowing on bell, I need to see a lot more from best bird. I don't know how I feel about math but I thought his bbt point was at least interesting. My big read shift at the end of yesterday was that t bone was town, it's possible off the hook is too.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

The klick replacement is still town. I think dancing puppets is town but their read on klick at the end of yesterday was garbage and looked opportunitistic in places.

correct me if I'm wrong but this is bella's last read on bell and it looks like there's a couple more people above him on his reads

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They had a post restriction, although they seemed to have broken it.

Sorry, I shouldn't post at 3am, I briefly forgot masons! It's nice to know that Bella's sleepy gut was on the right track
@taly, you asked about reads. My strongest scum read right now is still Johnny, I think I'm mellowing on bell, I need to see a lot more from best bird. I don't know how I feel about math but I thought his bbt point was at least interesting. My big read shift at the end of yesterday was that t bone was town, it's possible off the hook is too.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

The klick replacement is still town. I think dancing puppets is town but their read on klick at the end of yesterday was garbage and looked opportunitistic in places.

correct me if I'm wrong but this is bella's last read on bell and it looks like there's a couple more people above him on his reads

I don’t think that’s fair tbh. When you make night decisions it isn’t as simple as”who do I townread most?”

Your townreads definitely matters what are you on about

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scum probly think the doctor will 50/50 between the claimed masons or some shit

theres no reason for them to think doctor will protect bell of all people in a 24p

Klick hard tr Bella and he’s her husband and you said yourself Klick is town.

just cuz klick is town doesn't mean his read on bella is right

titus hard TR mathblade and she's literally his twin sister and she was wrong.

is titus even town

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Juliet. I assume there's a jack.

@pooky, they felt strong town. I liked their reads. The masons seemed no point, I thought bb was limited utility, it was Luke or bell for me and I assumed if another doc then prolly on other obv! town

maybe bella can explain why bell is strong town

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scum probly think the doctor will 50/50 between the claimed masons or some shit

theres no reason for them to think doctor will protect bell of all people in a 24p

Klick hard tr Bella and he’s her husband and you said yourself Klick is town.

just cuz klick is town doesn't mean his read on bella is right

titus hard TR mathblade and she's literally his twin sister and she was wrong.

The obvious main difference here is that Math was objectively scummy by play and Bella isn’t. Also, it was literally one of Klick’s earliest posts in our pt.

the one in our pt
they said town with a question mark at the end

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they said town with a question mark at the end

rofl

did klick even townread bella strongly

not sure about the thread but definitely not in pt
thats the only read on bella that klick gave there and with no reasons or anything

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I personally think it's very notable that Bella's having trouble reading MathBlade, because Bella has clocked onto Math!town very quickly and accurately in the past, and that sort of nullish read on someone often turns up scum in my experience. And I've already given my thoughts on why Corwin's slot was scummy. I can't give much more than that without delving into things that really don't influence my own thoughts either way.

well klick have also noticed that bella had been kind of hedgy with their math reads.
Bella said that math is off since d1 but they never pressured that slot and only voted them once last day.

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Titus, if you mean who seggested he gladiate taly over math, pooky has quoted it a couple of times

luke
DP=taly, johnny=math

Bone
taly dp johnny math

csf
johnny taly math dp

pd
math johnny puppets taly

pooky
math johnny taly dp


TALY 2.5+3+2+0+1 = 8.5
JOHNNY .5+1+3+2+2 = 8.5

i hate u all

Me, tbone, and CSF all had taly >math

Drap and pooky both had math > taly

I would like more than who suggested but who was persuasive vs who sheeped and how.

Their alignments likely sort each other.

~Titus

So I backread and your slot had been pretty vocal about math being town and you even fought ceph and frog who'd been pushing math

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Titus, if you mean who seggested he gladiate taly over math, pooky has quoted it a couple of times

luke
DP=taly, johnny=math

Bone
taly dp johnny math

csf
johnny taly math dp

pd
math johnny puppets taly

pooky
math johnny taly dp


TALY 2.5+3+2+0+1 = 8.5
JOHNNY .5+1+3+2+2 = 8.5

i hate u all

Me, tbone, and CSF all had taly >math

Drap and pooky both had math > taly

I would like more than who suggested but who was persuasive vs who sheeped and how.

Their alignments likely sort each other.

~Titus

So I backread and your slot had been pretty vocal about math being town and you even fought ceph and frog who'd been pushing math

I voted him on the second day he repped in and Titus believed he was genuinely tilted. Read our interactions with Math. I already explained that his being sick threw me off.

If you’re going to make the argument that being wrong on Math somehow makes us scum. I can link you to games like FL v Hectic where I was asetic mason hard defending scum!Dannflor and Titus can’t read Math very well, obviously

calm down I never called you scum
I just pointed it out since Titus asked ppl to backread so I went and did.
ppl didn't really say much that time except for frog who absolutely wants math and pooky dead.

why do people bring up their meta just to say that they've played worst as town.
just get good ppl geez

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Spoiler:

Titus, if you mean who seggested he gladiate taly over math, pooky has quoted it a couple of times

luke
DP=taly, johnny=math

Bone
taly dp johnny math

csf
johnny taly math dp

pd
math johnny puppets taly

pooky
math johnny taly dp


TALY 2.5+3+2+0+1 = 8.5
JOHNNY .5+1+3+2+2 = 8.5

i hate u all

Me, tbone, and CSF all had taly >math

Drap and pooky both had math > taly

I would like more than who suggested but who was persuasive vs who sheeped and how.

Their alignments likely sort each other.

~Titus

So I backread and your slot had been pretty vocal about math being town and you even fought ceph and frog who'd been pushing math

I voted him on the second day he repped in and Titus believed he was genuinely tilted. Read our interactions with Math. I already explained that his being sick threw me off.

If you’re going to make the argument that being wrong on Math somehow makes us scum. I can link you to games like FL v Hectic where I was asetic mason hard defending scum!Dannflor and Titus can’t read Math very well, obviously

calm down I never called you scum
I just pointed it out since Titus asked ppl to backread so I went and did.
ppl didn't really say much that time except for frog who absolutely wants math and pooky dead.

why do people bring up their meta just to say that they've played worst as town.
just get good ppl geez

Okay sorry then, because I’ve been pushed for that and even was the game losing Elo mislim bait in an MU game. I just think we’re pretty obvtown here and I feel like I have to keep defending myself.

Sorry for misinterpreting you.

wait elo in a mafia game?

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Spoiler:

im not trying to kill oth

gamma is capable of faking anger as scum

see slaughter hour

Gamma didn’t fake anything. His anger was still genuine. Your assumption of it impossible for scum to be genuinely upset is wrong.

And Gamma was extremely clearly upset that if Math flipped town, Marci would get blamed for that.

I was trying to find the original post that started this topic off because I thought it had gone unaddressed, but since Pooky added something I'll respond to the latest part of the reply chain I found:
Both Pooky and Nancy's positions here are wack. I'm pretty sure I've iterated multiple times to them that I don't fake emotion as scum, I just angle it differently. To cite events in Slaughter Hour, I was legitimately pissed no one listened to me on Infinity, but towards the end of that event I ceded the point because I knew I could gain sway once my read was proven correct. And the reason why I said both are wack was that in the original post Nancy said my emotion here was genuine, ignoring the above point.
I do have to ask, Pooky, what emotions are you saying I faked that game? To make that accusation with no specificity runs a dangerous line, as I had emotional aftershocks from that game that have lasted until very recently.

~GE

So then I don’t get it Gamma, what is “whack” about our position?

You're ignoring nuance that I'm 99% sure I've spoken about with you in proximity countless times.

~GE

I’m really not following?

In this post:

Nancy talk to me about OTH because they have been sliding in my reads since day 1.

Well, take Gamma’s outburst at the end of d2 for example, where Gamma clearly misread Luke’s and Pooky’s trolling of Marci. Why does scum!Gamma ever flip out like that if Math flips scum? Gamma was clearly worried that they would get run up in the event of a Math townflip.

Gamma is pretty much incapable of faking that level of emotion. OtH is NEVER scum here.

You said "Gamma can't fake these emotions so he's town". The issue is I

rarely if ever

fake emotions as either alignment, so it's a net-zero statement to say I wouldn't fake emotions as scum. Pooky probably got close, I am just a bit triggered by him saying my emotions in Slaughter Hour were fake because as I said, that game actually shook me to my core.

~GE

Yeah, so I still don’t get why you think what I posted was “whack”? No not really because Pooky and Luke were trolling that Marci would be blamed in the event of a town!Math flip and if you and he were buddies, you would obviously already know that couldn’t possibly happen, so why would you be upset in that case?

this read isn't bad but it's disaster waiting to happen.

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flavor gaming sucks

I haven't watch lost thats why

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why would we waste a track just to track them again

VOTE: Bellaphant
this just needs to go and ppl should stop speculating about roles with funny names in a non flip game.

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I'd suggest an actual role cope on me?

you'd think its worth it to out a role cop just to prove a doc claim?

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they got tracked to an nk
they claimed doc
it's not rocket science

what's the point of keeping them alive

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theres literally no flavor flips wtf are people talking about

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So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead? or they got a fake town claim with flavor?
or maybe they got a role cop on one of the dead towns role?

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Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

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Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

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So what are the chances that bella actually stole her partners flavor instead?

I think this is likely, or that she is a doc but chose not to use it bc she did the NK instead

csf also got a point
they could be real scum doc but they have limited shot so they holster and did the nk instead

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Yo we already decided Juliet (bella claim) could be doc.

Did Bella steal it from a scum partner? Sure maybe.

If PD dies tonight we flip bella, 100%.

If Bella is town doc PD doesn't die. Bella dies or someone random dies.

That's the point.

role blocker exist iirc
which is why pd failed the track on csf d1

Ok if so, who does rb target?

If targets town bella, PD dies and we flip bella tomorrow. Same scenario for scum as if we flip town bella here.

If targets pd, bella dies and PD gains no info.

In both cases it only sucks for town Bella which is the same scenario as town flipping town Bella right now.

So in rb scenario, only town Bella suffers? Now if town bella is doc and we have second doc, chaos for scum.

Sorry sounds like broken English because phone.

They could just rb pd why would they need to kill bella?
if bella is town then they get free mislim and town would waste more time resolving bella.

we could just flip bella right now and if they flip scum the real town doctor protect pd and pd gets another shot on someone else
if bella flips town then the other town doc protects pd
if pd dies anyway then scum have strongman

I absolutely hate this kind of talk
I could already think of ways to wifom it as scum.

Rb on Drap doesn’t affect Bella’s claim, so what’s your point? If Drap dies, we lim Bella. If she flips town, we know a strongman exists and implying RAD could be scum from this is whack. It is super protown.

What do you mean implying RAD could be scum?

I'm saying that regardless of bella's alignment. Scum would always want her alive here and they have every means to disable the doc if bella is town
either through roleblock or strongman.
and based on the flavor talks we have a 2nd doctor?

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It’s super important to leash Bella tonight onto Drap, because if he dies and she flips town, we know strongman exists and that means that > rand chance Frogs was the actual scum kill and not Dunn.

Leashing Bella on Drap is the only way we can find this out, If we run her up today and she flips town, we never find that out.

So..
what if bella is town and they're quack doctor
what if scum have strongman but they didn't use it on frog
or what if bella is just caught scum
the more I talk about this the more I actually want bella dead

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I'm not sure I get your obsession with proving a scum strong man.
this is a role madness with no flip and although minor the host still said that the game is bastard.
any talks about roles is a landmine

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Booo

In fine to be on pd, but agree they should be on someone else, so we actually get info.

@miselim, I think the bastatrd is the dead people? Or there is some form of misdirect (I'm thinking about the black smoke)

likely but you'll never know for sure and it's safer to assume that it isn't the only one in play.

Bella do you have any reads?
you sound way too calm for someone who correctly targeted the nk but failed to save and getting shit for it.
It's pretty easy to chuck all of your posts today as anti spew

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Nancy maybe you're just town but I hate how you keep making reads that are in wifom territory.

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It doesn't sound like bella cares to know why their save failed.
they left all the solve regarding her own role to other people

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BTW Johnny is Doc from my understanding.

Johnny doc? Interesting. I thought you were thinking BBT was doc.

Based off these, I'm starting to wonder if Drapion targeted BBT and found out that they weren't going anywhere.
-Guanine

drap is alive whats the point of speculating who he targeted?

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did bbt claim something
I wonder if I missed some claims

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Hi. So we got a mafia flip and potentially another one? noice.
iirc C&G got a neighbor chat with Math so maybe you could copy paste the whole chat here

We can't because that'll be against the rules but we could paraphrase.
I'll do that when I get the time.
-Guanine

C&G why you haven't done this yet
no spews or any analysis on what they said in neighbor chat?

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what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

Kinda curious how you checked whether you're sane or not.
like did you just asked and got a yes reply

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what's up friends

I am a novice two shot cop

T-Bone & Lukewarm are town

I checked with Dragons I am confirmed sane

Kinda curious how you checked whether you're sane or not.
like did you just asked and got a yes reply

i asked dragons cuz I didnt want to believe T-bone was town rofl

If this is true then this pretty much confirms that hidden sanities or variations are not in play.
I guess rules regarding mod comms are pretty lax eh

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did enchant claim yet

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Enchant sounds like someone who got caught in pregame and had been antispewing ever since their first post.

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Enchant sounds like someone who got caught in pregame and had been antispewing ever since their first post.

I was discovered when i signed up?

Damn these scumreading techologies.

Why you ignore people who asked for your reads but replied to mine?

Damn these evasive maneuvers techologies.

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VOTE: Enchant
just give us the flip

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oh hey I might do something today

@mala did you claim your n4?

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I think bbt is bella spewed
they had this whole conversation that feels real
bella didn't know how to react to it when bbt admitted that bella was right and that she was town

Spoiler:

(I tried to call you!)

Do you always move your vote around this much?

Well, when you look at the votes I accumulated and you consider my wagon lasted from 1075 up until 1699 then you have to consider the fact that it was a convenient place for scum to sit.

The fact I was 6(?) or 7(?) people's top scum read for a significant portion of the game based off of a naked vote is astonishing. I understand they can't all be scum, but scum took advantage of that situation for sure.

You seem quite worried about a vote that would've needed what, 14 votes to be a lim?

Worried is not the word I would use. Especially when my wagon isn't even relevant any more.

Suspicious fits much better. That was a horrible post Bella.

I guess I don't understand your key point? It feels like you are saying your wagon was scummy for....reasons, but you haven't really communicated the why, the who... I guess I'm normally used to being able to follow you and I'm finding it really hard This game.

P-edit also partly that. Ceph kicked off at their wagon top

I mean, you understand who I'm trying to get people to vote for, right?

Your thinking just feels really divorced from what was happening around it, like...who were you the counter to, what was happening with frog/ceph, why did your lack of contributions stick out more than say...toogs/corwins/whatever, rather just onto discrediting it. I used worried as it feels like you are using it a bit to avoid progressing the game, it feels backwards focused rather than forward.

Also, your response reminds me a lot of the response to my shit vca.

It feels strange to me that you seem to be not really engaging with the fact that your counter was ceph, who you also don't want people to vote. I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Mine?

Bella, I'm not following you at all here.

I literally just showed you a bunch of naked votes on my wagon, Dunn, Frog and your main reason for voting me was my naked votes. So that's 3 at the very, very least. These reads were held as their (your) best scum read FOR 25 PAGES. How do you not see a problem with that?

How is talking about my wagon not progressing the game? It gives me people to look at, one of which I am trying to get people to vote, but it's not happening.

What the fuck Bella?

It feels strange to me that you seem to be not really engaging with the fact that your counter was ceph, who you also don't want people to vote. I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Right, but counter wagon doesn't matter too much as only 7 votes. Like I said, they can't all be scum on my wagon but I expect scum to take advantage of a very comfortable place to sit for a long period of time.

I don't even remember where I was trying to go with this anymore.

I'll come back to this later

Because I don't think that's what happened? It is if you take away all the context, yes, but not in reality. I think that's why we are frustrating each other - you are telling me something you see as true, but I am also trying to tell you something true. You weren't 'my best scum read' for 25 pages, I'm frustrated with myself that I didn't vote ceph way before I unvoted you, but 25 pages here can also happen while we are asleep! I had a pile of scum reads, some of which we share. I dunno if people's reads list was more ordered than mine, in which case if you were 'bottom' of everyone's I guess it's a bit of a safe read, but even that isn't massively scummy, I think a few people have been borrowing those reads list for inspiration at least.

It isn't even 'naked votes ' - I've already said it was because of the feeling around it, the sneakiness, which is the bit I think Roden is trying to highlight too , that votes happened in response to a series of things.

I feel like you are being...blinkered? I understand your issue but it feels very off without the context. Plus, it feels a bit like your posts about vasex, which both you and corwin used to drag the game back, which is maybe why I'm reacting so badly.

I agree that there's some issues on your wagon/people's continued scum read, but I disagree that they came out of nowhere. I spoke to you, I unvoted, but this recent block of posting has made me worried again and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you to understand why, seeing as a lot of it is to do with you specific to wider context?

I also think there are wider issues with the readslists.

Friday, really early morning, the wagons are
5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

Couple of hours later, the ceph wagon comes up. By bedtime, that wagon vanishes and you and frog have one vote different.
Sat pm, ceph wagon back, sat bedtime you are back down to two votes.

So...I understand why you would say scum could take advantage/sit on that wagon, but i would agree more if you were a leading wagon for a much longer chuck of time/the wagons weren't so shifty, etc. Same with the '25 pages ' - it's not a long time. This is why I said worries in the first place because it doesn't look that impactful.

You're absolutely right Bella.

My apologies, and thank you

The 25 pages thing is completely irrelevant given we're in a large. That were some really bad takes from me and I kind of wish I could delete them.

Bella you made me feel dumb. On the brightside, I'm pretty sure you're town now so I got something from it.

?? Now I'm sad /and/ confused

I was completely oblivious to the timing. I didn't realise it was only from Fri morning to Sat night, I just based it off # of posts and pages.

Every game I have played since being back has been remarkably slow and I've just caught onto something that wasn't relevant in the slightest.

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not alot but I dug more bella spews

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from. Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron.

They used cat's read as kind of a reassurance to look good for their galron read which is PD's previous slot

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
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2080 definitely isn't super town which reeks tmi

@tsly, you disagree? I think cat evaluates a ton of slots, but also sees some stuff where they disagree but also take the time to work out if the thought process behind it comes from a solveu town mindset. Plus, they were sharing a bunch of my thoughts - the ceph wagon, toad, etc. I disliked t bones reaction a lot, but also I think I'm just a bit clashy with t bone in general

Again they kind of used csf's reads to look good saying that they shared the same read on ceph and we already know that ceph is town.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

They called csf their strongest town and used it to shade pd's push on csf

CSF is still obv town.

They kept calling csf obv town
I honestly haven't looked at any of csf posts on a microscope so I'm not sure how justified a tr on them is but this looks good for csf
especially when it's compared to bella's hedgy read on mathblade their scum buddy.

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If one of rad/malcolm flip scum then the other is always town
same goes for oth/mala they're claims sort of conflict with each other

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Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

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Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

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Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

I said I was wanting to look there, I then took a quick skim through their ISO in relation to interactions with Bella and vice versa and think they could potentially be scum. What's wrong with that?

Whats with the bella interactions that could make csf scum aside from voting there when pd claimed the track?

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Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

I said I was wanting to look there, I then took a quick skim through their ISO in relation to interactions with Bella and vice versa and think they could potentially be scum. What's wrong with that?

Whats with the bella interactions that could make csf scum aside from voting there when pd claimed the track?

Very friendly early on, townreading each other with the occasional null from Bella thrown in. Nothing there to rule out potential buddies which is why I'm interested in the slot.

If there's nothing there to rule out potential buddies then it should be nai but instead you called it scum?

when did bella throw a null on csf anyway I only remember he said it once before she made a read on csf

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rad asked who else you think is scum and you only mentioned csf
so is this your 2nd best scumread? it took you like what a few seconds and a quick skim for bella interactions

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Hey Malcolm, do you lean scum on any of the following?

Mala, OTH, BB

I sure as hell won’t be dying before you,

Good luck with that

Why is this town?

Obv you’re shit at reading me too

The flipped scum with interactions are damn near saying that I’m town

But you gave forgotten that.

Plus I have been very open to what my results were after I have gotten them every night. I have been trying to play my role as protown as I can to give people the most information.

Do you not have not results last night?
why haven't you claimed it yet

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C&G needs to vote more
All days ended with them not voting anyone

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Can we kill enchanted

Fine.

VOTE: enchant

Hey Mala, why did you go from requesting an Enchant kill, to seeming like you are just accepting it?

I actually want this answered

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Tbh C&G is prob town.

Math was probably a modified pr with a neighbor such as a RB’r or something like that.

I lowkey need to see how this wagon went down and I know marh was on the block d1

I wish cephrir went with his gut bc that would have helped miles

@BB, did you pick someone last night to talk to?

no - i withheld at the advice of ceph + paranoia of a roleblock since I claimed only one shot left

Smart.

I doubt you’ll be RB’d tho.

The first quote is mala's first post in d3 and they claimed to have checked math n2
these are good crumbs and it checked out with their claims at least

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the 2nd quote might suggest that mala/bb is not w/w
It's a very subtle crumb and would be weird to say it to a buddy

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I agree with rad regarding the mala/corwin
It's not exactly a mala push they're just using them to push frog.
If you look at it in another angle it's not hard to say that they're trying to tie fwog's mislim to a scum!mala flip.

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People told oth to halt their actions and I'm not sure why
but it would be crazy if we lim them after telling them not to use it and they claimed that it's public so it's just free info anyway.

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they said that math is roleblocker
idk why they haven't claimed any results for n4 today

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Mala being angry is unreasonable when they themselves said that they're purposely playing bad to match their scum meta.
They AtE like they should be obvious town and people are bad for suspecting them

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I already said math was a good choice and ceph was your only choice. Bella is arguably bad and frog is lolol

wait why was bella a bad check?

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But bella is scum so it literally doesn't matter even if their claim make sense or not.
Since it's natural for scum to lie removing any doubts about their real role would be more beneficial.

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I don't wanna shut down rad's attempt on mech solving for the 2nd time now but who actually read 12058 and thought that yeah this is a good idea.

to sum that post up we're basically misliming a town(town!rad world)
wasting 2 coroner shots, bb's shot and tracker's shot all just to prove that mala is telling the truth about being a coroner which is nai.

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But bella is scum so it literally doesn't matter even if their claim make sense or not.
Since it's natural for scum to lie removing any doubts about their real role would be more beneficial.

I dunno what to tell you man. What does town gain from knowing Bella was a doc or not? Who cares? We'd learn more from Dunn. You may not have been around during the dunn discussions but we were all pretty confused by the 2 town kills n1 and knowing dunn's actual role could have helped clear things up. Ultimately we don't know if scum targeted dunn or frog n1 and that info could help us understand. I don't see what knowing bella's a doc or not really helps.

Knowing scum's role would 100% be more important in the long run

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I don't wanna shut down rad's attempt on mech solving for the 2nd time now but who actually read 12058 and thought that yeah this is a good idea.

to sum that post up we're basically misliming a town(town!rad world)
wasting 2 coroner shots, bb's shot and tracker's shot all just to prove that mala is telling the truth about being a coroner which is nai.

It does a bit more than just catch Mala...

Drap confirms BB can target dead
Mala and OTH are pitted against each other's reads
BB talks to me to find out my role which could out Mala if Mala just isn't coroner at all
If scum cares about the plan, they should kill town!BB, and BB isn't being heavily town read this game so that's a wasted NK for them

Is it foolproof? Nope.

It's mechanically interesting though and accomplishes some things if everything goes to plan. Town can decide it's a bad idea though, that's fine. Also I think the plan is just dead now if OTH can't target during the day cause the result would come back before the plan could even take place.

-drap confirming that bb can target the dead doesn't mean anything just confirming their role.
-like you said bb could be scum
-mala could still be scum claiming their real role
-or mala could be town and everything is just wasted

we do all this or we could just let drap track someone and maybe they'll track another nk.

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I don't wanna shut down rad's attempt on mech solving for the 2nd time now but who actually read 12058 and thought that yeah this is a good idea.

to sum that post up we're basically misliming a town(town!rad world)
wasting 2 coroner shots, bb's shot and tracker's shot all just to prove that mala is telling the truth about being a coroner which is nai.

Well most of it went over my head but what I did get out of it is that RAD’s probably town, so that much was super helpful.

I would agree with you if the plan was good but rad made this whole mech solve centered around them flipping town which looks kind of lamist
I'm having 2nd thoughts whether they really think that misliming themselves here as town!rad is beneficial for town. There's like little chance here that mala is lying about their role.

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the timing of that post was also bad
both mala/malcolm were the top wagons when they said that
and they both scumread them
so why would they suggest a town!rad mislim?

Rad sounds fine up until 12058
and any mala/malcolm scum flip would also spew rad town
If it wasn't for these I would probably go there today

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why is this day still going

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I don't think my wim could keep up with how slow this game is
can we get a speed elim

VOTE: Malcolm

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I feel like everyone have sort of claimed their roles.
Who here haven't claimed yet?

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I can't vote Rad in good faith. If he is scum, well played.

UNVOTE:

Mislim, some general thoughts on the game?

I just want this game to end tbh

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Johnny

- I <3 Johnny. I think johnny played a terrible game here though if town, EXCEPT when his other game ended and he came in and started actually playing. That was good! Or johnny's just scum and he had a little ramp up and backed off again. I dunno. Johnny could be either. I know CSF hard reads johnny scum. If I had a bullet and could shoot one, I'd absolutely shoot johnny over CSF. But I'd shoot pooky over johnny What a weird way to view a slot. What are you johnny? I think he's probably town and at the same time, I realize I'm probably just wrong and he's scum.

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- I had that silly IRL theory about Klick + Bella that probably influenced my read too much. This guy could just be scum. I mean honestly, if I was scum this game, I'd be playing it like him. I felt he made some good points about Malcolm that I was also feeling and I just stuck him in my town read from there. His attack on me felt a little weird but still, I wrote it off as just town being town. Maybe he's town but he's playing like scum here.

wth is this read on johnny and me

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now that drap stopped saying that johnny is doc what is johnny's actual role this game?

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then vote rad

bleh I dont like malcolm
but luke was the person I last saw doing real cases this game and I know he's town
so whatever
VOTE: rad

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I don't think Rad ever flips scum in this game.

VOTE: Johnny

then vote malcolm?

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maybe johnny is scum but I'm not voting out of malcolm or rad today
it was supposed to be between those two yesterday until mala wagon suddenly happened.
theres still 3 wolves left and these guys SRed each other since early on
if masons tracker and cop are all town then theres a huge chance 1 of these guys are scum based on associations

VOTE: Malcolm

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VOTE: Rad
I don’t feel that confident he’s scum but given he’s the sole wagon I think resolving him is fair.

~GE

Malcolm is 1 vote away from rad now so wdywd

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I saw some people are doubting the tracker and cop claims
thats fine but people should know that they claimed without needing to
they also claimed pretty early on and these invest roles sounds pretty common for town to have and I doubt mafia have a full grasp of what roles are safe to claim early on.

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this is why this game have 13000 posts

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VOTE: johnny

malcolm doesn't seem like he would be scum, why would he keep posting after the wagon keeps coming back to him..? its clear hes just town trying to leave last reads.
if he's scum hes just leaving lots of info for us to find his partners from.
town is sooooo much more likely here.

rad is town too, hes too motivated to be scum IMO.

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okay i'll force the use of it tonight HOJHIDFS whenever i suggest using it gamma keeps saying no but ill slide it in so it isn't noticed GIEUORFJ

How is this a real read?
"He keeps posting when he gets wagoned so he's town"

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Okay.
I just afked for 2 days and missed nothin cool.

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Someone should file a missing case for johnny and yeet's votes
they've gone missing for an entire year
the whole town is concerned for their well being.

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VOTE: malcolm

VOTE: Malcolm

Let's see if CSF is real JK. #testtheclaim

VOTE: Malcolm
finally
been sitting on this wagon for an entire month

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oh didn't mean to quote those.

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VOTE: furtiveglance
this one is randscum

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VOTE: furtiveglance
this one is randscum

I'm too lazy to quotes so
iso RCE ctrl+f malcolm
lots of hedgy reads on them

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Sorry Luke I’m probably voting Malcolm today. Town!Malcolm though means it’s likely scum are tied together on one of the other 4 vote wagons as of right now.

not even once did they vote malcolm
but they subbed out shortly after so thats that

they never really gave any reason about their back and forth with malcolm read
he keeps associating malcolm TRs to luke's read

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Johnny read any of these posts and say yeah this is scum.
Idk how you're even reading my slot.

Spoiler:

Made the case before that their case on Puppets was really odd - no real reasoning for it and they became very tetchy when questioned here. Tried to deflect by saying I was reading too much into them, very much tried to back off Puppets gradually without suddenly just dropping the read in case doing so appeared too forced.

Not too keen on the way they unvoted Mala in 5821. Again they point out Mala hasn't engaged much despite the complaints about having to catch up and I was at a point in D1 where I'd have agreed Mala was a reasonable compromise wagon. But instead of continuing on this path and trying to force more from Mala, Rad just sort of backs off immediately instead of continuing in their efforts to push the slot, despite also sort of not really rescinding the scumread either?

I think Rad maybe voted Taly when the gladiate first happened because they felt it was the only viable option for scum to pursue, even if getting rid of Ceph could potentially be advantageous. Rad then suddenly unvotes and is baffled at the idea of others wanting to kill Taly - seems they are perhaps positioning themselves as scum who sits off the vote entirely, so either way they don't look suspect when the loser of the gladiate comes back as town (presuming Taly is also town in this scenario). But then the momentum begins to shift to Ceph and it instead becomes conductive for scum to eliminate there instead.

this post is absolutely horrible and I hate the idea of having to explain why
free townpoints to someone who understands why it is

thats too many words for an old bear like me to read eager puppy

gonna need a tldr

this post is absolutely horrible and I hate the idea of having to explain why

you may hate the idea, but what about the action of explaining why...for those of us with bird brains.

If you've played mafia for awhile now I'm sure you've encountered one of those wordy posts that scum makes to look busy but the contents are pretty weak.

here malcolm did a play by play by commentary on rad's action while adding a bit of his own scum narrative as if every rad's actions are scum motivated.
they made it as if it's a big solid case but the content are weak and could be summed up in a few sentences

I reckon Luke and Rad is probably TvT. I don't agree with Rad on the read but they are making a genuine effort to solve early on even if their conclusions aren't necessarily correct. Attempts to drive the game forward earn townpoints from me and Luke doesn't strike me as the type of player to go after if you're scum wanting to appear busy.

I'm not convinced Frogster is town though, potential scum slot.

another post from malcolm early on that I don't like
this is in response to rad's case on luke 340 which is a reasonable case early on.
he didn't have any luke reads before this yet he called them TvT just because luke is pushing the game forward and he even called rad's conclusions 'not necessarily correct'.
I assume luke was a high poster during this time which makes for an easy town read to get away with.

Guess what I just did!
That's right I just made up a case I didn't believe one iota of because believing is for suckers.

are you voting malcolm yet

I think bbt is bella spewed
they had this whole conversation that feels real
bella didn't know how to react to it when bbt admitted that bella was right and that she was town

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(I tried to call you!)

Do you always move your vote around this much?

Well, when you look at the votes I accumulated and you consider my wagon lasted from 1075 up until 1699 then you have to consider the fact that it was a convenient place for scum to sit.

The fact I was 6(?) or 7(?) people's top scum read for a significant portion of the game based off of a naked vote is astonishing. I understand they can't all be scum, but scum took advantage of that situation for sure.

You seem quite worried about a vote that would've needed what, 14 votes to be a lim?

Worried is not the word I would use. Especially when my wagon isn't even relevant any more.

Suspicious fits much better. That was a horrible post Bella.

I guess I don't understand your key point? It feels like you are saying your wagon was scummy for....reasons, but you haven't really communicated the why, the who... I guess I'm normally used to being able to follow you and I'm finding it really hard This game.

P-edit also partly that. Ceph kicked off at their wagon top

I mean, you understand who I'm trying to get people to vote for, right?

Your thinking just feels really divorced from what was happening around it, like...who were you the counter to, what was happening with frog/ceph, why did your lack of contributions stick out more than say...toogs/corwins/whatever, rather just onto discrediting it. I used worried as it feels like you are using it a bit to avoid progressing the game, it feels backwards focused rather than forward.

Also, your response reminds me a lot of the response to my shit vca.

It feels strange to me that you seem to be not really engaging with the fact that your counter was ceph, who you also don't want people to vote. I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Mine?

Bella, I'm not following you at all here.

I literally just showed you a bunch of naked votes on my wagon, Dunn, Frog and your main reason for voting me was my naked votes. So that's 3 at the very, very least. These reads were held as their (your) best scum read FOR 25 PAGES. How do you not see a problem with that?

How is talking about my wagon not progressing the game? It gives me people to look at, one of which I am trying to get people to vote, but it's not happening.

What the fuck Bella?

It feels strange to me that you seem to be not really engaging with the fact that your counter was ceph, who you also don't want people to vote. I actually share 2/3 of your other scum reads, so this point bugs me.

Right, but counter wagon doesn't matter too much as only 7 votes. Like I said, they can't all be scum on my wagon but I expect scum to take advantage of a very comfortable place to sit for a long period of time.

I don't even remember where I was trying to go with this anymore.

I'll come back to this later

Because I don't think that's what happened? It is if you take away all the context, yes, but not in reality. I think that's why we are frustrating each other - you are telling me something you see as true, but I am also trying to tell you something true. You weren't 'my best scum read' for 25 pages, I'm frustrated with myself that I didn't vote ceph way before I unvoted you, but 25 pages here can also happen while we are asleep! I had a pile of scum reads, some of which we share. I dunno if people's reads list was more ordered than mine, in which case if you were 'bottom' of everyone's I guess it's a bit of a safe read, but even that isn't massively scummy, I think a few people have been borrowing those reads list for inspiration at least.

It isn't even 'naked votes ' - I've already said it was because of the feeling around it, the sneakiness, which is the bit I think Roden is trying to highlight too , that votes happened in response to a series of things.

I feel like you are being...blinkered? I understand your issue but it feels very off without the context. Plus, it feels a bit like your posts about vasex, which both you and corwin used to drag the game back, which is maybe why I'm reacting so badly.

I agree that there's some issues on your wagon/people's continued scum read, but I disagree that they came out of nowhere. I spoke to you, I unvoted, but this recent block of posting has made me worried again and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you to understand why, seeing as a lot of it is to do with you specific to wider context?

I also think there are wider issues with the readslists.

Friday, really early morning, the wagons are
5 Frogsterking (JohnnyFarrar, Roden, Cephrir, Lukewarm, Galron)

4 Cephrir (BlueBloodedToffee, Dwlee99, PookyTheMagicalBear, Bell)

2 Galron (Bellaphant, The toad)
2 BlueBloodedToffee (Dunnstral, Cat Scratch Fever)
2 T-Bone (PenguinPower, Enchant)

Couple of hours later, the ceph wagon comes up. By bedtime, that wagon vanishes and you and frog have one vote different.
Sat pm, ceph wagon back, sat bedtime you are back down to two votes.

So...I understand why you would say scum could take advantage/sit on that wagon, but i would agree more if you were a leading wagon for a much longer chuck of time/the wagons weren't so shifty, etc. Same with the '25 pages ' - it's not a long time. This is why I said worries in the first place because it doesn't look that impactful.

You're absolutely right Bella.

My apologies, and thank you

The 25 pages thing is completely irrelevant given we're in a large. That were some really bad takes from me and I kind of wish I could delete them.

Bella you made me feel dumb. On the brightside, I'm pretty sure you're town now so I got something from it.

?? Now I'm sad /and/ confused

I was completely oblivious to the timing. I didn't realise it was only from Fri morning to Sat night, I just based it off # of posts and pages.

Every game I have played since being back has been remarkably slow and I've just caught onto something that wasn't relevant in the slightest.

not alot but I dug more bella spews

Don't agree with frog about the Titus hydra for now, but can see where they are coming from. Reassured cat is picking up the same vibes as me from galron.

They used cat's read as kind of a reassurance to look good for their galron read which is PD's previous slot

2080 is super town, tbone! What's your issue with cat.
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2080 definitely isn't super town which reeks tmi

@tsly, you disagree? I think cat evaluates a ton of slots, but also sees some stuff where they disagree but also take the time to work out if the thought process behind it comes from a solveu town mindset. Plus, they were sharing a bunch of my thoughts - the ceph wagon, toad, etc. I disliked t bones reaction a lot, but also I think I'm just a bit clashy with t bone in general

Again they kind of used csf's reads to look good saying that they shared the same read on ceph and we already know that ceph is town.

I don't know how to read professor drapion - yesterday I was scum with frog, and today their scum reads are weird. I also think the consistent push on CSF is ridiculous, as they are my strongest town read.

They called csf their strongest town and used it to shade pd's push on csf

CSF is still obv town.

They kept calling csf obv town
I honestly haven't looked at any of csf posts on a microscope so I'm not sure how justified a tr on them is but this looks good for csf
especially when it's compared to bella's hedgy read on mathblade their scum buddy.

Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

I said I was wanting to look there, I then took a quick skim through their ISO in relation to interactions with Bella and vice versa and think they could potentially be scum. What's wrong with that?

Whats with the bella interactions that could make csf scum aside from voting there when pd claimed the track?

Who besides me do you think is scum Malcolm?

As I've outlined above, I'm increasingly of the belief CSF could be scum. Didn't think much of them as potential mafia early on but felt they'd been quiet last turn and the links between them/Bella look reasonable as two scum-mates who potentially defended each other a fair bit early on before Cat bussed at the right time.

VOTE: MalcolmTucker

Why is this scummy?

you townread csf earlier but you changed your read because they're quiet and they somehow bussed when they chose to vote someone who got tracked to a night kill?

I said I was wanting to look there, I then took a quick skim through their ISO in relation to interactions with Bella and vice versa and think they could potentially be scum. What's wrong with that?

Whats with the bella interactions that could make csf scum aside from voting there when pd claimed the track?

Very friendly early on, townreading each other with the occasional null from Bella thrown in. Nothing there to rule out potential buddies which is why I'm interested in the slot.

If there's nothing there to rule out potential buddies then it should be nai but instead you called it scum?

when did bella throw a null on csf anyway I only remember he said it once before she made a read on csf

rad asked who else you think is scum and you only mentioned csf
so is this your 2nd best scumread? it took you like what a few seconds and a quick skim for bella interactions

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I wasn't kidding when I said I've been sitting on malcolm's wagon for an entire month
I was there before malcolm was even in the chopping block.

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I've been quietly sussing Pooky for a bit now, I was slightly hesitant to raise it because I know butterflies is hard townreading Pooky and I know what they can get like, and so is Rad and apparently half the lobby.

1) They suggested Rad/Malcolm was scum/scum which has been practically impossible for a few days now (13718)

2) They keep switching their vote when the mood feels like the energy is dying on a wagon. The first time I noticed this was 13657 - Rad to Malcolm, reason given is "I'm bored and you're annoying". Then there's 13734 - back to Rad, reason given is "I guess I can go back to this". Then the latest thing is 13800, over to Johnny, reason is "Rad has cried enough".

3) 2-shot Cop is a weird role to be in a game like this. It doesn't seem balanced for a game like this, and checking 2 now dead town, who didn't seem likely to be eliminated, with the reason of 'paranoia' feels really convenient.

4) Pooky is guilty of hypocrisy regarding ProfessorDrapion. 13222 is a good example of this, Pooky is also an investigative, and hasn't been killed.

Anyway this is my current big sus.

VOTE: Pooky

this is also bad from furtive
if I'm reading malcolm's role right
then he gets a free kill if luke gets voted out somehow
maybe getting luke lunch is unlikely but luke had rad as scum and malcolm as town.
no reason for scum!pooky to fake a green on luke then nk them immediately which makes malcolm role useless

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@OtH
I have a theory that if C&G is wolf they didn’t have a Neighbourhood with Math so use your ability on math tonight.

mala already confirmed the neighbor

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csf should claim who they will target in case we get scum today
if it's town then feel free to pick anyone

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I guess it's just furtive or C&G today
I kind of prefer furtive out first because of how malcolm treated C&G slot

Did someone mention C&G/Math unlikely to be scum together due to their hood? I wouldn't be against eliminating C&G but would prefer Math out of the two. Of course, suppose there's a chance they could be scum and lied about having a hood at all?

C&G could still die based on poe

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OTH is the one who role revealed Malcolm, right? If so they're most likely town as well.

Yes they were. Though they were explicitly asked to.

What was the reveal?

it's below bbt's

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where the people at

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VOTE: C & G

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if this flips scum we probably go for oth next

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csf should claim who they will target in case we get scum today
if it's town then feel free to pick anyone

Happy to do furtive if consensus veers that way.

I prefer OtH gets tracked though, since I feel like those interactions with Malcolm really don't look good. Drapion, what do you think?

VOTE: furtive

Sleep tight!

I'm on off the hook if this flips scum.

these are csf's last posts
if oth is also wolf then it make sense for c&g to do the kill instead of getting no kills

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sup

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I feel like I aged a decade after every night phase.

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drap faking the track isn't surprising
I had a hunch after he went quiet more than usual last day.

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So player list is lookin like
butterflies
Noraa
PookyTheMagicalBear
Off the Hook
ProfessorDrapion
Roden
Mislim Bait
JohnnyFarrar
Best Bird

MislimBait is town ofc and roden is mason
I'm just gonna lazy read pooky as town for their green on luke.
tbh I never had any read on johnny and taly's slot
people kept calling them town and I just assumed so cause I was too lazy to check but now that we're near end game I should sort their slot.

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I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

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I think that NM has above average reads tbh

I've heard he has actually been doing a lot better than his previous meta.

I am amazed anyone can read lack of posts besides hammering

Has Not Mafia started to provide content?

Did anyone else catch this? I think Math is town.

~N

no? not at all.

He obviously thought NM was on the playerlist.

So......

Just means that he isn't paired with NM...which *gasp* doesn't meant anything.

this probably looks good for BB and based on interactions he almost sounds unaligned with anybody thats left alive.

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I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

He already lied about DNA, so totally don’t know why you think he’s suddenly going to tell the truth?

I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

how does scum get "forced to give green checks"? i disagree with all reasons to keep drap except "i think drap is town" reasons.

If he's the last wolf alive then obviously every person he tracks is town
if he's town then obviously everyone he tracks is clear

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I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

He already lied about DNA, so totally don’t know why you think he’s suddenly going to tell the truth?

I don't agree with drap's TMI post he quoted earlier but this is the one that sounded like tmi.

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what drap did isn't that horrible like people think
I've seen worst fps play and the one he did gave no real benefit as C and G was already on his way out the island
but hey we're on MS so I'm not surprise

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if he's town then obviously everyone he tracks is clear

what if he's town and he starts faking guilties on people who are town

have you thought about that

you're assuming he's town

there is also the possibility he is just scum

I mean you're the one assuming he's town that would fake a guilty again.

I already said why it's beneficial even if he's scum

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I kind of want drap to stay alive today
even if drap is really wolf it's more optimal for town to have him as the last wolf alive because then he would be forced to give green checks as a tracker.

what is hard to understand about this?

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I don't care if you guys hammer but can we all agree to shorten night phase.
Last day felt like it was the age of dinosaurs

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he literally gave us a red check on someone who flipped town

and you're advocating

to

not

kill him


so

why the fuck

would he give a shit

about giving you

a green check

you don't understand it
it doesn't matter if he lied if he's the last wolf alive
if he's town and faked a guilty in a world where there's only 1 wolf alive then its 100% game throwing no room for any fancy play there

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he literally gave us a red check on someone who flipped town

and you're advocating

to

not

kill him


so

why the fuck

would he give a shit

about giving you

a green check

you don't understand it
it doesn't matter if he lied if he's the last wolf alive
if he's town and faked a guilty in a world where there's only 1 wolf alive then its 100% game throwing no room for any fancy play there

Let me put it this way:
If you enforce your will here and Drapion is scum, you’re giving him carte blanche to scumclaim as hard as he wants with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

~GE

He's not out of the chopping block.
I'm just saying that if he's wolf then most optimal to lunch his ppartner first

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with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

well thats not very nice....
sadribbet

I think we still got two mislunch before elo
lets say that drap is scum then
Butterflies doesn't sound like their partner based on today
BestBird doesn't sound like it based on previous interactions
It can't be me or the masons
It also can't be pooky cause it's fked up if scum have tracker and cop and none for town.

so left with oth/johnny/taly
I think many people would agree that this contains at least 1 wolf even in a world where drap is town

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I'm using phone and quotes randomly pops up in my posts

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I don't care if you guys hammer but can we all agree to shorten night phase.
Last day felt like it was the age of dinosaurs

rather than the lunch I'm more interested in getting this done tbh

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with the guarantee that at least one dumbass will defend him

well thats not very nice....
sadribbet

I think we still got two mislunch before elo
lets say that drap is scum then
Butterflies doesn't sound like their partner based on today
BestBird doesn't sound like it based on previous interactions
It can't be me or the masons
It also can't be pooky cause it's fked up if scum have tracker and cop and none for town.

so left with oth/johnny/taly
I think many people would agree that this contains at least 1 wolf even in a world where drap is town

who are taly and oth and where am i?

taly is your slot lol and you're talking to oth right now

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quick tell the host to shorten night phase to 12 hrs

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I was hoping that people would pop in today with their own solve

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I think we still got two mislunch before elo
lets say that drap is scum then
Butterflies doesn't sound like their partner based on today
BestBird doesn't sound like it based on previous interactions
It can't be me or the masons
It also can't be pooky cause it's fked up if scum have tracker and cop and none for town.

so left with oth/johnny/taly
I think many people would agree that this contains at least 1 wolf even in a world where drap is town

this point still stands

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He obviously thought NM was on the playerlist.

So......

Just means that he isn't paired with NM...which *gasp* doesn't meant anything.

tho I guess I could do it if I was a true tryhard

Pooky is it possible for bird to have this godawful a read on me and still be town here?

so it

is

literally just me saying that your slot is scum...and everything else was just chaff. cool.

No, I really don’t appreciate you continuing to mischaracterizing my posts. Just because I made this statement - in THIS post - doesn’t even remotely negate what I previously posted about your other reads. Are you even honestly trying to solve me or just continue to twist my words?

~N

You're in a hydra and I will respond to what your slot does as a hydra. Work it out in your hydra PT. I won't be acknowleding hydra dissonance here.

these posts doesn't sound s/s

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unless you disagree it cant be butterflies/bestbird
and it cant be one of me or roden

so whoever is town in oth/johnny/noraa should have a better solve than anyone else

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just wanted to ask butterflies why they asked for roden and luke's reads the people who aren't around but didn't asked for johnny's who they scumread and is around.

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i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

what I'm saying is oth/johnny/noraa have at least 1 scum
if nancy or bb is scum then one of their partners have to be in that pile

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Have you even backread though?
you can't argue about not townreading anyone the day before elo when you haven't backread.

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Have you even backread though?
you can't argue about not townreading anyone the day before elo when you haven't backread.

easy for you to say when you don't have 500 whole ass pages that you haven't read. i wont gain anything from reading like ten pages. if i want to get something out of that, i need context and thats like at least 50 pages. hell no

like hell I've read 500 pages I can't even say that I've read half of it. I don't think anyone ever did read that much this game
and you obviously don't need at least 50 pages to get a read on someone like you TRed drap instantly right after you subbed yesterday.

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I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz I think scum Nancy (if she is scum) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

Cool, Johnny’s scum.

Roden is confitown, so this is seriously bad.

Johnny also knows that this is my towngame, since I’m playing EXACTLY like I did in BOTH incarnations of that insect game.


VOTE: Johnny

i dont townread anyone. being cleared is a different story. dont see any reason why you, best bird, or butterflies cant be scum. i dont see why you're town and nancy is capable of faking that read convincingly as scum. idk about best bird

Then you’re incapable of reading me. I repeat I don’t ever have a near fucking meltdown over Taly gladiate as scum and even Luke did a 180 on his sr of me after that anc Bell also hard tr me after that.

Do I also need to requote Pooky who locktowned me? He sussed me in White Flag but here, he has as lockclear. Think about that if you seriously want to solve this game.

i didnt read whatever gladiate thing happened and i think your scum game and town game are very similar or at least i cant tell the different. i cant read you and i dont like trying to read you because you get upset with me regardless of alignment unless i say you're town. i dont want to upset you but i also cant just give you a town pass when i see no reason to townread you! im sorry i cant read you but i dont see a reason you have to be town here and im not willing to read the meltdown because i will probably tr you after that but my read has zero value because i would think that regardless of your alignment because im weak to ate. what am i supposed to do???? like i cant just magically spawn a cabd brain overnight i literally dont know what you want from me. like could you be town? yeah? would i be able to tell either way? no.......

I have given lots of extemely valid reasons for my read and I’ve been hard tr your slot since even before the gladiate. I also don’t think it’s OtH either. I think Johnny probably just scumclaimed with that last post. Butter fk confitowns Roden and Johnny was in insect game like Taly yet he has a completely different read on me here, so totally not buying it and iirc, someone said that Malcolm was giving Johnny hedgey reads or something?

But Noraa, if you have time, please reread the gladiate. It seriously looked like your slot was getting whacked and I was totally demoralized over it. In our discord, Titus told me that she’d rather vote a tr > a no lim and I told her that I would lose complete motivation for playing in that case and would probably just prodge for the remainder of the game, which I would have because I was that strongly opposed to voting you and are you seriously going to suggest I was trying to pocket Yeet? I’ve been consistently hard tr your slot since the getgo and OtH as well. It’s all in my ISO.

Who the 2nd scum is, I have no clue but pretty damned sure now after that last post, one of them is probably Johnny.

I mean I figure I'm going today, if not today then tomorrow. I don't envy my fellow townies tomorrow. I'll feel bad for all of us if it's Mislim/Roden but I just don't see it.

Pooky kill obviously implicates me and I think it points away from Noraa toward someone like BB or Butterflies. If I had my druthers it'd be Butterflies > oth > BB cuz

I think scum Nancy (

if she is scum

) needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.

That's my 2. Here for questions.

This is a scumpost btw, Johnny clearly doesn’t care about what my alignment actually is. I would expect town!Johnny to be far more interested in actually trying to case me than arguing that I need to be stopped

IRRESPECTIVE Of MY ALIGNMENT.

also to be clear because im like extremely tired right now and probably not speaking coherently, im not saying that i think johnny is town. im questioning the confidence behind an argument that doesnt make sense to me for johnny scum. pooky flip =/= johnny scum.
can johnny be scum? yes, but not for this reason.

Whatever, I won’t be at all shocked if Johnny flips scum here. I just wish I had a clue who his buddy is but hopefully I’ll be nk’d and out of this game before I have to figure that out.

whats with the dissonance here
from I'M PRETTY SURE JOHNNY IS SCUM 100% to I won't be at all shocked if Johnny flips scum here.