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[Nero Cain]

who should i iso

me

[humaneatingmonkey]

hey

is datisi town

who should i vote

[Datisi]

datisi is town

why did you unvote me earlier

[GuiltyLion]

lions who do i scumread

who should i iso

zzz

I don't get why you have Smart as town

you've been scum with him before, do you see any differences in his play here from HDP

[fireisredsir]

hey

is datisi town

who should i vote

yes

SS or shea, maybe? or suggest an alternative

[humaneatingmonkey]

prod dodge

[fireisredsir]

fire is scum clearly

why

3410

go on

@marci

[humaneatingmonkey]

i can vote you back if you want

[Datisi]

i feel like you should answer the q instead of being snarky

[humaneatingmonkey]

it literally is a prod dodge

[Nero Cain]

I like 3535 from GL but I don't like Gamma being so high. Sorta think xo is town but a vig or a policy lim might be ok there b/c I don't really want someone thats barely playing and won't even vote to be around in critical times like end game.

[marcistar]

fire is scum clearly

why

3410

go on

@marci

buddy scamper zzz
ez smart vote zz

[humaneatingmonkey]

can i get a rundown of what's happening i dont wanna read

[Datisi]

ah, that was actually an answer, okay whatever

fwiw i don't think xof has entered policy territory yet, they said they're a bit busy for a day or two, and from what i remember from tm2021, they do pick it up in later game

[Nero Cain]

we are mass claiming go!

[Nero Cain]

would have been better if dats didn't get in my way.

DAMN YOU DATSI!

[Datisi]

anytime bb

[marcistar]

lions who do i scumread

who should i iso

zzz

I don't get why you have Smart as town

you've been scum with him before, do you see any differences in his play here from HDP

i dont remember sorry
i think smsrts easier to read as game goes on though!!

for why i said smarts town
im mostly just bsing most of my posts and saying things i think of asi think of them. a post smart made i liked.

[GuiltyLion]

also I'm rereading VPB's ISO for skitter/obscure comments and I don't see anything that makes me think unaligned

in fact it would be quite convenient (and funny) if all of FB/skitter/VPB were scum doing some good ole scum theater when FB voted skitter for a joke and VPB uses it to distance with both FB and skitter over it. like this:

@vpb again i dont really know if his vote on me is indicative of 'lack of viewpoint/conviction'
(Or at least, is unusual or scum-indicative for him ...)

It's more than the vote on you. That was just an example. There doesn't seem to be much conviction from FB on anything.

[Datisi]

I'm also not sure I agree with your take that VPB/FB come off unaligned from VPB pushing FB given that VPB eventually evolved away from pushing that, coinciding with me pushing FB a lot of D1

i think this is still the biggest obstacle i have wrt voting s_s... can you elaborate what you mean by "coinciding" with you pushing fb and how that makes them more likely aligned?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am somehow feeling hammered after a single beer so lmk later if you have something you’d like for me to look at

[Nero Cain]

must not drink often

[Gamma Emerald]

That is true but I think what might have happened is I paced myself poorly
I started with small sips then ended up downing the last third of the bottle in one go

[GuiltyLion]

i think this is still the biggest obstacle i have wrt voting s_s... can you elaborate what you mean by "coinciding" with you pushing fb and how that makes them more likely aligned?

I don't feel VPB's push on FB eclipsed range of usual scum distancing, because I don't think it ever turned into Intent to Kill in a way that makes me think miselim. his vote on FB was understated, as Ausuka pointed out, but why go hard on dunking your buddy and putting him in more danger if the goal is to attempt to distance? Like his case on FB amounts to these posts, none of which I think are likely to actually build significant Momentum on FB:

Spoiler: VPB pushing FB

kinda interested in what @baltar saw there, though

Kind of started when FB said I was being laid back or whatever, which I thought was weird and then never followed up on.

The saying you're off for interacting when they asked for interacting, followed by the skitter vote...

It all kind of adds up to like poking at things without conviction of a viewpoint to me. I could see skitter vote as a joke, but still don't feel like FB is pushing in a direction.

im kind of surprised i get more heat for voting skitter than claiming scum a dozen or so times.
I am gonna have to write this down for future reference.

Why are you seemingly not following up on any of the pushes you made?

what should he have conviction on atp?

Anything? We are 42 pages in here. Time to start moving the game in a semi serious direction.

is there anything specific you expected to see from Town!FB that you're not seeing or is this just a generalized "he has no takes" thing?

I didn't say FB has no takes, though they are few and far between. It's more of the fact their takes don't go anywhere. I don't have a strong FB meta, but I don't take anyone this game as a complete slouch.

I get the working a lot thing. I have put in 8 hours Sunday, 14 Monday, and 12 yesterday at work. It sucks and makes it hard to stay up on everything in a mafia game or pursue threads as deeply as you may like. That being said, I do still think it's possible to semi-read along and have some kind of viewpoint.

You think this is typical town!FB behavior?

this is actually encouraging town!Ari to go into reasons why FB isn't scummy

That said, I do see that he encouraged people to vote FB a few times:

GL, you wanna vote FB?

while I don't want to say this is never scum pushing town, I kind of feel this may have been a trap - if I was awkward or seemingly resistant to a vote, that's juicy material to paint me as a FB buddy later should FB flip red

Grant the birthday ydra's wish and vote FB

this was directed at skitter (I think... someone correct me if I'm wrong), which again, looks better for FB if skitter is town but now that I'm on this scum!obscure kick, would be totally easy and safe to say to a partner

FB, what do you think of ari's meta defense of you?

how does this post help push FB? Like it's easy for me to imagine this as "do some townie stuff in response to a townie defending you!". Also worth noting Ari didn't really "defend" FB and was resistant to being suggested that she did.

Then he starts the whole shtick around "why aren't you voting ME" in 1202, 1205, 1212, 1218. At this time I was voting Firebringer, his own scumread! And this was in response to me trying to get FB to elaborate on VPB, a slot FB had expressed suspicion of, a slot that was voting FB. If FB is a miselim he wants, why is he grilling me (town) over giving a reach out to FB when FB might misstep or do something I find suspicious, and why is he trying to vortex my vote onto himself? This is what I mean by coinciding with my pressure on FB - the more I indicated I actually really was seriously scumreading FB and not happy with his play in the game, the more VPB started scumreading me and shading me and discrediting me.

Come 1433, the FB wagon has all but died in favor of Eiralox and never regained momentum again. And VPB doesn't push it or touch it again. So yeah, I don't see why this is town clearing for FB slot, and if anything I think a post like 1310 should add extra scrutiny to FB because I sorta doubt his only three expressed scumreads are all town. Also, the whole "Ari is meta defending FB" claim and angle stands out as well, something I had forgotten til I went back to reread and case this.

[GuiltyLion]

i'm not personally really townreading but a number of my townreads are and I'm currently ok with that: {dv, marci, xofelf}

would yeet: {dann, conman, firebringer, vpb}

This is an absolute trash reads list, imo. DV looks pretty town to me this game. Marci seems pretty townie, though she's opaque sometimes. xofelf is probably null to town lean for me. Dann and conman I've talked about already. FB did look scummy to me early on, so I can agree there. And I'm town.

So like, where's the beef in this reads list? Unless I'm so dead wrong on my reads at the start of this game, I have trouble seeing how people see this list from GL as credibly a good take from someone who has been HIGHLY engaged with the game so far.

There's also this. If I assume DV/marci/xofelf town, then this feels like he's using my mistaken suspicion on townies to buddy/pocket them in favor of discrediting me, and to make the rest of my scumreads look "bad" by association. CMM is town. if Dann/FB are town, why is this an "absolute trash reads list" when he could use it to push some miselims in those players?