It is. I was going to chalk it up to him being new, but looking at his profile I guess he isn't? But he also probably isn't that familiar with Ari, or he probably would have recognized that she is often seen as a threat.In post 3877, humaneatingmonkey wrote:this is a weird point to make
oh, i forgot shea made an immediate awful defense of hem that doesnt really make senseIn post 3035, Thestatusquo wrote:I made a post in response to gammas scum read:In post 3031, scamper wrote:wrt hem: i think nero had a good read on him day 1 when he said he was present but didnt really feel like he was doing all that much. it occurred to me overnight that there was mention of a previous game where he got caught fr being overly aggressive, and as there is some overlap between that game and this one its possible he was trying to avoid being caught on that same thing, but overcompensated by playing very passively instead. his push onto datisi sucks and is lazy, like he picked a tunnel target in the first 10 pages and decided to just stay with it. him shading me for unvoting tsq is also bad.
he posts about vpb, but never commits to a real read on him, asks him a few ez questions and fencesits. i dont ever get the sense hem actually tried to solve vpbs alignment
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meanwhile this is the most baltar had to say about hem:
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he never really gives much of a real read on hem, just agrees with nero when nero calls his list bad, and then they have an incredibly tepid argument that goes nowhere. then somehow in a later post he calls hem town and never elaborates on why
so i think hem looks compatible as a partner with vpb, i dont have any good reasons to townread him, if someone who townreads him could give an explanation beyond "he posts a lot" and "has chill vibes", id love to hear it
In post 2960, Thestatusquo wrote:It feels like you're making a squishy meta feels case here that involves actively ignoring a lot of what HEM is actually doing in order to accomplish it, so the read doesn't feel real to me either.In post 2942, Gamma Emerald wrote:he's basically felt fake all game to me, between the overly verbose post I called out early and his approach to meIn post 2815, Dannflor wrote:Gamma why is HEM scum
there's also a slight meta aspect, he feels rather reactive, which I attribute to his scumgame
To me, looking through HEMs posts theres a lot of stuff which is interesting novel thoughts on game and relation to the alignment of others that would be really strange to come from a scum player and hard to fake because they involve breaking the flow of the game which in some cases would be detrimental to scum.
Take this post, for example. Why would scum HEM feel the need to point this out at this time? Unless you think he and I are buddies there's very little reason that HEM would think this is a good topic of conversation for town to take, because it detracts from the momentum of the suspicion of me. Like, I guess you are saying that you think HEM and I are buddies because its a game solve but when I read back on HEMs iso theres a lot of stuff like this that individually seems like pointing out little things that are interesting for the town to think about.In post 2727, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i wonder if this is a direct reaction to TSQ mentioning that scum loves to dogpile replacementsIn post 2710, scamper wrote:UNVOTE:
while i am still very suspicious of the relly slot i feel like i dont need to dogpile someone who has just replaced in
I don't see a lot of scum motivation for a lot of HEMs posting, and I think its hard to fake because its not like not doing this stuff will get you scum read and the effects on the game are net negative for scum.
i think it's a fake read because it's too narrow to make. why would anyone think ari only has to die if she gets 1 scum right? why is that so specific?In post 3900, Something_Smart wrote:It is. I was going to chalk it up to him being new, but looking at his profile I guess he isn't? But he also probably isn't that familiar with Ari, or he probably would have recognized that she is often seen as a threat.In post 3877, humaneatingmonkey wrote:this is a weird point to make
Do you think it reads like a premeditated argument?
1. i've played a lot with ari, this is an alt (if the whole "pretending to be like skitter" thing was not a tip off, although i'm not doing that as much now)In post 3900, Something_Smart wrote:It is. I was going to chalk it up to him being new, but looking at his profile I guess he isn't? But he also probably isn't that familiar with Ari, or he probably would have recognized that she is often seen as a threat.In post 3877, humaneatingmonkey wrote:this is a weird point to make
Do you think it reads like a premeditated argument?
fake scum bravado
hes blatantly not attempting to solve the gameIn post 3907, Datisi wrote:still sticking to that datisi scumread you decided on back on like page 5, eh?
I did assume that, but only by clicking on your profile and reading your sig.In post 3906, scamper wrote:this is an alt (if the whole "pretending to be like skitter" thing was not a tip off, although i'm not doing that as much now)
on the red: why does this make me mafia and not a town who is disengaged? like, i don't think that it would be particularly difficult to fake pushes as mafia, it seems like mafia 101. but, i have had some stances, they just aren't hard/strong due to not having read enough to make that call.In post 3892, Dannflor wrote:In post 3883, obscure wrote:not necessarily townreading.. it just to me comes off as building a case on someone who would be very easy to execute rather than going for actual mafia. like, i don't think there's been a lot of meat behind it beyond latching onto status's idea of me faking being new.. i don't think i've done anything scummy either aside from not be as engaged with the thread as other people.. but, that's due to availability, and some of it being overwhelmed by volume.your reaction there triggered me to look more closely at you but my main problem is that you've taken 0 hard stances or significant pushes
from my standpoint, you seem content to constantly be pointing at things and giving some analysis but not really acting on any of it with significant fervor. now, this *could* very well be for a combination of factors, your newness to the format, or your inability to keep up with the game
but I cannot shake the feeling that even when you are engaging with stuff, it's more superficial than not.
honestly, I'd rather see you focus sorting out your scum reads and making a concerted push somewhere than defending yourself here. or talking more about why you're for or against the current main wagons. I think it would be more productive for everyone
and I mean if I'm the one you scum read, why aren't you voting me?
did you misphrase this or somethingIn post 3904, humaneatingmonkey wrote:why would anyone think ari only has to die if she gets 1 scum right? why is that so specific?
who is S_S in for? i'll ISO them first.In post 3848, T3 wrote:
Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
obscure (3): Dannflor, Thestatusquo, Ausuka
Thestatusquo (2): Gamma Emerald, Datisi
DeasVail (1): obscure
marcistar (1): DeasVail
Dannflor (1): Nero Cain
Not voting (3): Something_Smart, marcistar, Enchant
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-18 20:44:00)
Mod notes: this was right near my school
oh okayIn post 3915, GuiltyLion wrote:did you misphrase this or somethingIn post 3904, humaneatingmonkey wrote:why would anyone think ari only has to die if she gets 1 scum right? why is that so specific?
scamper's point was Ari probably had at least another scum in her scumreads, not just 1
Certainly in some cases, I could demonstrate commitment by remaining flexible, no? I think I'm fine with starting on obscure, but if something else came up that looked more promising, I would think that I could show a desire to eliminate scum more by switching than by stubbornly staying.In post 3835, GuiltyLion wrote:what I'm looking for mainly is some type of commitment to a wagon that you think has a chance of happening
whether that's obscure, TSQ, or somebody else specifically is less material to whether I understand who you think is the best flip for the game and why, and whether you're taking action to make that happen
I know you indicated a townread on Shea, so for me it's like - would you vote obscure? Why or why not? If not, why are you seemingly ok with him being at risk of lim and not pushing any alternatives that you think are better?
in a realistic sense voting obscure and then obscure flipping red would go a decent way towards weakening my scumread. I just won't have any reason to townread you until I can start to believe that you are trying to eliminate mafia
why is it that and not real town bravado? I have a hard time imagining those manifesting differently in this situation.In post 3908, scamper wrote:fake scum bravado
