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[ProfessorDrapion]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

Posts like these. I didn't see how a Townie missed the claim. When he misunderstood and thought a post was about him. Mainly these things.

Didn’t NJAC ping Gera?
Lmao.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I think Galron's wagon is all Town.

Mine, ehh.

Malcolm's vote maybe scum.

I don’t.
From where I’m standing all of them are likely partners with you.

[ProfessorDrapion]

At least one. I'd never swear Kitty was Town.

Just to be clear, I think Galron can be scum, Kitty

maybe

.

If you think the wolves aren’t voting you would have to think this thread has zero wolf agenda control.
I don’t believe that, I think there is wolf agenda in this thread.
So your wrong or your wolf.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Conftown: Professor (as no cc yet)

He claimed a backup Doctor, I don't see a cc coming. It sounds to me like an easy thing to fake claim.

Yeah, possible.... I usually get cold feet to eliminate someone who claim any role, in D1 specially. On the other hand, scum won't keep a TPR alive, so their claim will be cleared in D2 eventually.

Not necessarily D2!! but if it's a fakeclaim it could be disproved in multiple ways down the line so we table it for now

agree with this. early claims by scum just get exposed, they get trapped in their lies or else scum will get rid of them

@geraintm

, do you have any read other than

Malcolm

atm?

Honestly, right now I am on my phone and so no. I would need to iso people to remember who said what.

The person who claimed back up doc I have as either scum or bad town, but that would be sorted later so I'm happy to leave that slot. The rest of you....I haven't been paying enough attention to votes to see who I really think has been acting poorly. But it is day 1 and so nothing means anything until we get information overnight

I’m not a bad town I just do whatever I feel like doing and read people the most accurate I can.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

Their ISO is my case.

Don’t be lazy.

I have another scumread I’ll keep in my pocket for now.

You're kidding right? You should be the last person to call me

LAZY

! I'm on vacation but still posting & what are you doing?? Asking others to make a case for you on whom YOU scumread!!

I don’t know how this person town!

I don’t know why you think this is immediately jumping wolf behaviour.

They do got a point actually, they aren’t a strong player they aren’t someone who can do all that as an easy pace but YOU can, everyone has specific expectations and YOURS is on a higher scale so yes you should be doing it and yes I think your lazy for not doing so because unlike Porkens your a player that shouldn’t be lazy.

If I knew any better I’d say your a wolf with Wayward.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Yeah Kitty went up and I’m pretty confident about my Townreads:

Gera, Malcolm, Kitty, Porkens, Crest are all town.
My PoE is the rest.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t oppose to a Galron execution but I don’t think he’s a hit.
As I said I think there is wolf agenda in thread and Wayward can easily possess that with their partner.
Even if they are town, they are not seeing the wolf agenda and for some reason think the thread is being town lead which I quite honestly do not see.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

[MalcolmTucker]

I don’t oppose to a Galron execution but I don’t think he’s a hit.
As I said I think there is wolf agenda in thread and Wayward can easily possess that with their partner.
Even if they are town, they are not seeing the wolf agenda and

for some reason think the thread is being town lead

which I quite honestly do not see.

Is that potentially a bit of a slip perhaps? There's only a handful of people who, after all, can definitively know whether town are dominating the thread or not.

[Salsabil Faria]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

I did, and he answered.

In fact, you just responded to his response.

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

Oops!

[Salsabil Faria]

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

Day 1 eliminations are more than likely to end in thr death of town - scum should be able to easily direct the vote to someone they want. Why give scum a free death? Why allow them to get claims out townies they run up?

And go into day 2 basically blind? There's no guarantee we will have an investigative guilty day 2. A flip is needed to provide some concrete information to base a solve off of unless you are a god at this game.

+1

[ProfessorDrapion]

+11

Also, on my homesite (I’ll call it my own site since I go on it the most) it’s more common for mafia to get executed day 1 allot more then town but mafia seems to also win more games with a mafia execution on day 1 for some reason.
So I don’t think you should alway worry about town or mafia going over but rather vote the person who might provide us and help us with the most info or potential spew coming into day 2.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Home Site*
Not Own Site lol I don’t own any site but I might own a mafia site one day who knows.

[ProfessorDrapion]

They legendary “Seththeking” owner a site.
Imagine.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I don’t oppose to a Galron execution but I don’t think he’s a hit.
As I said I think there is wolf agenda in thread and Wayward can easily possess that with their partner.
Even if they are town, they are not seeing the wolf agenda and

for some reason think the thread is being town lead

which I quite honestly do not see.

Is that potentially a bit of a slip perhaps? There's only a handful of people who, after all, can definitively know whether town are dominating the thread or not.

Well the non voters aren’t leading the thread and if they think the non-voters are mafia then the only ones leading the thread as a result are town aligned.

[Salsabil Faria]

Then 334 comes, and... This question doesn't seem to flow properly at all. He's calling Drapion and Porkens scum together, and he's already more or less doubled down on Porkens. The question is phrased as to have no good answer. Why would Drapion defending him make him town in the first place? This is made even more awkward by the fact that he's also openly claiming to scumread Drapion.

I think it's a good question. Am I to understand you Town lean Porkens? Why?

Porkens is directly reminding me of Goldfish, who was so flagrantly useless as town in 2273 that I actually pegged her as town because I didn't think scum would allow her to continue to be so useless. The feeling I have here isn't as strong as the feeling I had on her, but I also can't remember the last time I saw scum frontload their game with the ridiculous barrage of excuses that Porkens already has. I feel he needs time for further observation. I fully intend to keep needling at him.

And it's not a good question. Drapion defending Porkens early on shouldn't have any influence of whether someone town reads or scum reads Porkens now. The fact that you're calling them scum together already means you can attack almost any potential answer to the question, hence it having no "good" answer.

This is a pretty good summary of where I'm at with Porkens as well. I think scum would typically be a bit more self-conscious about having poorly constructed or bad reads and would work to improve them a bit.

I'm also not too worried about Porkens right now because I feel like if they're scum they won't be able to continue with this approach throughout the entire game and sway town onto their side. I think it's a slot that inevitably sorts itself with time.

Hmm... if

Porkens

(and maybe

Kitty

) are really towns then I'm very wrong with my townreads [

Professor

is still in question but their alignment can also be solved later like

Porkens

]....

Wayward

is my least confident townread and

Galron

is my strongest scumread atm. If I have to compromise in D1, I can compromise with

Wayward

.
What is your read on

Galron

? Iirc, you didn't commit there? Also want to know about your

Wayward

stance.... you don't vote either.

[Salsabil Faria]

At least one. I'd never swear Kitty was Town.

Just to be clear, I think Galron can be scum, Kitty

maybe

.

If you think the wolves aren’t voting you would have to think this thread has zero wolf agenda control.
I don’t believe that, I think there is wolf agenda in this thread.
So your wrong or your wolf.

This is actually a good point, I think

NJAC

also asked something like that to you....

@Wayward

[Salsabil Faria]

I really think wayward is scum. Plz ISO and confirm.

Shouldn’t

you

do that? It's your read on them after-all.

Their ISO is my case.

Don’t be lazy.

I have another scumread I’ll keep in my pocket for now.

You're kidding right? You should be the last person to call me

LAZY

! I'm on vacation but still posting & what are you doing?? Asking others to make a case for you on whom YOU scumread!!

I don’t know how this person town!

I don’t know why you think this is immediately jumping wolf behaviour.

They do got a point actually, they aren’t a strong player they aren’t someone who can do all that as an easy pace but YOU can, everyone has specific expectations and YOURS is on a higher scale so yes you should be doing it and yes I think your lazy for not doing so because unlike Porkens your a player that shouldn’t be lazy.

If I knew any better I’d say your a wolf with Wayward.

I scumread

Porkens

for different reasons which you don't agree and I don't even care at this point. On the other hand, you still sound like

you know them/their alignment pretty well

which still doesn't make sense to me. Only for the reasons I'm not at your &

Porkens

's a** because of the

claim

& the way

Porkens

is playing because I don't think

they'll manage to survive like this

on the later game as scum.

And, If. I. Knew. Any. Better. I'd. Say. You're. something but it'd be breaking the rules, so I won't

[Salsabil Faria]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

Umm.... where did I say that??

[Salsabil Faria]

Not Voting

(5): MalcolmTucker, Crescent, Wayward Son, Galron, KittyTacky

Day 1 ends in: (expired on 2022-09-19 10:24:00).

A lot of people aren't voting.....

[Crescent]

The previous post sums up exactly why I'm not against voting Porkens. Barring a full-on town confirmation. players like him almost always get voted off eventually. It's a matter of when, not if.

But here's a fun fact: Galron really has arguably done even

less

than Porkens has, he just hasn't been as obvious about it. He has given exactly one reason to suspect Drapion (#179), said he's voting him or Malcolm is #384, and given exactly one reason to suspect Malcolm (#472). That's... Really it.

Porkers may be doing next to nothing, but his approach to Wayward, as much as I had to pull teeth to get him to actually elaborate on anything, is more than we've gotten out of Galron. Porkens is failing, but Galron feels like he's totally lurking from commitment.

I feel like we have circled around this train while discussing trains to oppose it, while most people seem to agree everyone voting him is town, while the player the train is on hasn't given us any reason to look away him. I have yet to see anything that resembles true, game-solving thought process, and he's the lowest poster in the entire game, who has done effectively nothing since September 13th.

[ProfessorDrapion]

Also note how Salsa I think even talk in regards to not liking Wayward behaviour but not doing much to pressure them.
Distancing?

Umm.... where did I say that??

I could have confused you with someone else but let me double check.

[MalcolmTucker]

Then 334 comes, and... This question doesn't seem to flow properly at all. He's calling Drapion and Porkens scum together, and he's already more or less doubled down on Porkens. The question is phrased as to have no good answer. Why would Drapion defending him make him town in the first place? This is made even more awkward by the fact that he's also openly claiming to scumread Drapion.

I think it's a good question. Am I to understand you Town lean Porkens? Why?

Porkens is directly reminding me of Goldfish, who was so flagrantly useless as town in 2273 that I actually pegged her as town because I didn't think scum would allow her to continue to be so useless. The feeling I have here isn't as strong as the feeling I had on her, but I also can't remember the last time I saw scum frontload their game with the ridiculous barrage of excuses that Porkens already has. I feel he needs time for further observation. I fully intend to keep needling at him.

And it's not a good question. Drapion defending Porkens early on shouldn't have any influence of whether someone town reads or scum reads Porkens now. The fact that you're calling them scum together already means you can attack almost any potential answer to the question, hence it having no "good" answer.

This is a pretty good summary of where I'm at with Porkens as well. I think scum would typically be a bit more self-conscious about having poorly constructed or bad reads and would work to improve them a bit.

I'm also not too worried about Porkens right now because I feel like if they're scum they won't be able to continue with this approach throughout the entire game and sway town onto their side. I think it's a slot that inevitably sorts itself with time.

Hmm... if

Porkens

(and maybe

Kitty

) are really towns then I'm very wrong with my townreads [

Professor

is still in question but their alignment can also be solved later like

Porkens

]....

Wayward

is my least confident townread and

Galron

is my strongest scumread atm. If I have to compromise in D1, I can compromise with

Wayward

.
What is your read on

Galron

? Iirc, you didn't commit there? Also want to know about your

Wayward

stance.... you don't vote either.

I said before I was not too confident on Galron necessarily being town - they certainly haven't done anything I find particularly townie yet, but I feel like Galron's playstyle in general can be hard to read since their contributions can be relatively sparse and not overly detailed.

But I think I'm leaning more scum as time goes on. I don't think the wagon on them so far is overly suspect, and I think their reasoning for me possibly being mafia is really weak - Galron will have seen me play pretty much identically to this in the past as town. I'm at a point where I'd not be opposed to voting there if we want a consensus candidate.

[Crescent]

Oh wow I totally overlooked how close the day is to over.

Imma comb his ISO again after I have lunch.

[geraintm]

If anyone has any questions aimed at me, ask them.

Wanna vote Galron with us?

After he answers my question.

Kitty if you're talking about a question you had previously posed I can't seem to find it. I feel I'm being gaslighted.

I meant the question I was about to ask.

Then ask, what are ypu waiting for?

I did, and he answered.

In fact, you just responded to his response.

Oh yeah I'm here just haven't felt like playing.

UNVOTE: wayward was rvs. Probably voting Drap or maybe Malcom today.

Why Malcolm?

I'm not really seeing a process there. And there's a whole lot of "well you seem like you could be town or scum" and that doesn't really sit well. There was a post or two wrt geraintm where he had expressed a hard town read and then rolled it back the more he got into the post.

They shows more thought process than you...

@geraintm I think your case on Malcolm is going nowhere, who else are you considering to vote?

does it matter if you dont think anyone else is going to join me?

It surely matters if you're going to sit on a wagon nobody else is interested in pursuing to make it look like a committed town read because as Crescent has suggested it's a way for scum to avoid having to make miseliminations. If your read on me was solid I'd at least understand it but your scumread is quite frankly not very good and I think it's right for other players to begin to wonder what angle you're pursuing it from if you have little interest in eliminating anyone else.

I'm not going to jump to a wagon unless I think they are more likely to be scum. Its day 1, I'm happy with no elimination

Wut?? Since when no elimination in D1 is good for town???

Day 1 eliminations are more than likely to end in thr death of town - scum should be able to easily direct the vote to someone they want. Why give scum a free death? Why allow them to get claims out townies they run up?

And go into day 2 basically blind? There's no guarantee we will have an investigative guilty day 2. A flip is needed to provide some concrete information to base a solve off of unless you are a god at this game.

Not blind. I cut think of a game where town doesn't get some info night 1.
Plus, we have one more town player! And scum haven't been given any info of players forced to claim. I think townnwould do better