In post 2792, Nero Cain wrote:A post like 2328 always makes me think of the "vote town, bus buddy" strat.
My intuition is that an experienced player like VPB would be aware of this trope and wouldn't be inclined to go for it as a direct response to being told to vote a buddy.
Then again, if he wasn't set up to townread buddy-Gamma and he felt it wasn't strategically sound to bus there, I'm not sure what else he could have done.
In post 2796, Something_Smart wrote:And I think the subsequent stuff is also not a trajectory I would expect if Gamma were a buddy. I think he'd be more likely to already have a stance on Gamma in mind?
there was also this pushback against nero saying vp and gamma looked paired
In post 4672, Something_Smart wrote:So I ISO'd marci and the only interesting thing was an extended push of Gamma on D1 followed by 180'ing into having Gamma as their highest townread today. I'm glad I was made aware of this, but I'm not immediately sure how it factors into my read?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
it already didn't make sense to say the vigs shouldn't shoot gamma specifically bc marci might have an inno there. when the way i see it, obviously the person you should be protesting being shot is the person who you think might have the role that would generate an inno
but then now knowing that gamma was scum means that SS has an obvious motivation to drop a hint that maybe people shouldn't shoot gamma
it seems almost too crazy to be scum but i am not feeling very willing to make that bet
In post 3848, T3 wrote:Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real
r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?
that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw
i dont think this is,like, impossible to be a bus but the vote is pretty icky
You were scum last game we played annd I was tunneling so rando townie, got no traction and then flipped you.
Where do you get off saying that a vote on you is some venge vote that means I don't want to play with you? It's like you are trying to villainize me.
This argument has a lot of TvT vibes from where I'm sitting.
frog, you ever explained why this was tvt to you?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
gonna be disappointed if SS' scum game is to lurk and say a few dumb things. I lowkey think he's town but its an ok flip.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 3848, T3 wrote:Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real
r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?
that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw
i dont think this is,like, impossible to be a bus but the vote is pretty icky
what was the vc around the time?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 5581, Nero Cain wrote:I actually do not think it's impossible that TSQ reps in and pushes his scum buddy. He gets mad that he wasn't on the scumflip yesterday so he looks better?
thoughts? @ anyone not named Dann
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 3848, T3 wrote:Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real
r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?
that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw
i dont think this is,like, impossible to be a bus but the vote is pretty icky
what was the vc around the time?
i was just checking this and i think SS was at 1 vote lol
In post 5581, Nero Cain wrote:I actually do not think it's impossible that TSQ reps in and pushes his scum buddy. He gets mad that he wasn't on the scumflip yesterday so he looks better?
thoughts? @ anyone not named Dann
i don't think it's impossible either but i want to reread a bit
and as i am about to sleep, that's happening tomorrow
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Oh so you agree with the strategy you're just not convinced S_S play is AI?
yeah
this was also weird, he clearly hadn't caught up but saw frog's post about SS being in antispew on the previous page, and agreed and voted? (even tho frog was saying that S_S was scum but we should eliminate him later, which is also an interesting take lol)
but then argued right after about how S_S's play wasn't AI for him
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
You were scum last game we played annd I was tunneling so rando townie, got no traction and then flipped you.
Where do you get off saying that a vote on you is some venge vote that means I don't want to play with you? It's like you are trying to villainize me.
This argument has a lot of TvT vibes from where I'm sitting.
frog, you ever explained why this was tvt to you?
IIRC I did actually, this lead to a convo where Nero responded like
"oh yeah because my reads are bad" and I said
"No, I think Gamma would be more afraid of you if they were scum" and then Nero was like
"ehh I'm pretty sure Gamma has clapped back at me before as scum."
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 5581, Nero Cain wrote:I actually do not think it's impossible that TSQ reps in and pushes his scum buddy. He gets mad that he wasn't on the scumflip yesterday so he looks better?
thoughts? @ anyone not named Dann
dunno, maybe
i thought the reaction and the repeated emphasis on how many people told him he couldn't scumread gamma (which idk maybe there were multiple but i don't remember that many) was maybe slightly overdone but i don't really want to focus there rn
In post 5613, fireisredsir wrote:even tho frog was saying that S_S was scum but we should eliminate him later, which is also an interesting take lol)
Uhh?
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
In post 4218, Frogsterking wrote:I've recently started thinking differently about flips like that. I think SS doesn't give us a lot of info right now and I think that's because SS is playing on anti-spew. So with my current understanding of how the game works, SS is the correct slot to flip if we want to maximize the amount of info Town has at a more crucial point later in the game.
isn't this saying "SS is scum but we should flip him later, not now"?
did i misunderstand that
i see you were voting SS at the time and continued doing so for a while so maybe i did
In post 3848, T3 wrote:Something_Smart (6): GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, scamper, fireisredsir, Ydrasse, humaneatingmonkey
in scamper's pov i am lurking scum who voted with him on his scumread so he should probably be unvoting now if his reads are real
r u saying i should be assuming ur scum and s_s is town?
that seems to be exactly what he's saying
I kinda get the sense he's feeling pinned by him + S_S being in the PoE VOTE: Something_Smart
I also agree w the anti-spew bit somewhat, plus this is where there's a wagon in the last VC I saw
i dont think this is,like, impossible to be a bus but the vote is pretty icky
what was the vc around the time?
i was just checking this and i think SS was at 1 vote lol
oh, lmao
i was just looking at the iso and didnt check the post number
In post 4218, Frogsterking wrote:I've recently started thinking differently about flips like that. I think SS doesn't give us a lot of info right now and I think that's because SS is playing on anti-spew. So with my current understanding of how the game works, SS is the correct slot to flip if we want to maximize the amount of info Town has at a more crucial point later in the game.
isn't this saying "SS is scum but we should flip him later, not now"?
did i misunderstand that
i see you were voting SS at the time and continued doing so for a while so maybe i did
Why would it benefit us to keep a scum slot around which is playing on anti spew vs others which presumably aren't? This feels like a thinly veiled excuse to throw my name around.
Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.
In post 4218, Frogsterking wrote:I've recently started thinking differently about flips like that. I think SS doesn't give us a lot of info right now and I think that's because SS is playing on anti-spew. So with my current understanding of how the game works, SS is the correct slot to flip if we want to maximize the amount of info Town has at a more crucial point later in the game.
isn't this saying "SS is scum but we should flip him later, not now"?
did i misunderstand that
i see you were voting SS at the time and continued doing so for a while so maybe i did
Why would it benefit us to keep a scum slot around which is playing on anti spew vs others which presumably aren't? This feels like a thinly veiled excuse to throw my name around.
can you please just explain what you meant bc i don't know how else to interpret that
obviously i don't think it would benefit us but i wasn't gonna question it
believe me i would not ever throw your name around and invite interaction unless i thought it was useful to do so
