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[Something_Smart]

Spoiler: Through ISO 50

s_s, give me three of your strongest reads in either direction

gamma town dann town shea town. based on some other people's stated reads these seem to be

very

out of touch, but that's hardly surprising. (then again, I think disagreeing with Frogster makes me more likely to be in touch than out of touch.)

I doubt I would townread partner-gamma here, that seems pretty risky given gamma's mixed scum record and how awkward it would be if I had to defend him

honestly i feel like i should have died last night and the fact im still alive makes me think i have townread scum

Because you're a shining beacon of towniness, or because you made a claim I didn't see?

if I were scum I would probably know the answer to this already

Don't do that. As scum I constantly angle around "there's no way townie X gets out of being eliminated here" and I constantly get surprised by it. And I love it when townies do this because a lot of the time the town will just shrug their shoulders and go along with it.

Pedit: @shea

not sure I would be this blunt about my scum thought processes if I am currently experiencing them as I talk about it

why not

I didn't have an immediate answer to this. But I'm pretty sure the answer is that you have a rare combination of motivation and open-mindedness that makes you valuable lategame if town. And I'm not inordinately scared of your scumgame-- it's good, but not something a competent town can't handle especially if we can take down your buddies first.

maybe wouldn't have come up with this as scum? maybe would have. not sure

however I'd also like to see where some of the bad vote slots (obscure, DV, S_S, marci, xofelf replacement) go while the wagons are still fairly tied up

Serious question, but you don't have to answer: what vote from me would make you townread me the most/scumread me the least?

This is an incredibly brazen towncred-grab. I'm not sure I'd have the guts to ask this as scum. I expected more backlash than I got; maybe people misunderstood me.

what I'm looking for mainly is some type of commitment to a wagon that you think has a chance of happening

whether that's obscure, TSQ, or somebody else specifically is less material to whether I understand who you think is the best flip for the game and why, and whether you're taking action to make that happen

I know you indicated a townread on Shea, so for me it's like - would you vote obscure? Why or why not? If not, why are you seemingly ok with him being at risk of lim and not pushing any alternatives that you think are better?

in a realistic sense voting obscure and then obscure flipping red would go a decent way towards weakening my scumread. I just won't have any reason to townread you until I can start to believe that you are trying to eliminate mafia

Certainly in some cases, I could demonstrate commitment by remaining flexible, no? I think I'm fine with starting on obscure, but if something else came up that looked more promising, I would think that I could show a desire to eliminate scum more by switching than by stubbornly staying.

There are of course complicating factors. We still have almost a week, by solidifying wagons on objectively LHF slots we do a lot to stifle pushes against players who might otherwise be harder to catch. That's generally why I'm reticent with my vote until late-ish in the day. I am getting the feeling that some people think we are in the "determining major wagons" phase and some people think we are in the "consolidating on major wagons" phase, and the latter are annoyed that the former are not consolidating.

I would vote obscure, but I think that could end up being pretty detrimental if he's town, and while I don't have any particular reason to believe that he is, the numbers say it's likely. (Plus, in my experience, if town doesn't have a clear direction after an early scumflip, they're likely to get a lot of misses. Might not hold as much if it was a vig shot, but I know the leading wagon is on town, at least.)

This is pretty deep stuff, it shows a vested interest in getting on the same page as GL. My response as scum is likely more terse.

were you townreading me

A little.

Real talk I don't think I would have remembered the answer to this as scum so I probably would have just said "no"

That actually may not be true, but it might be. Or I might have exaggerated the read when I went back to check.

If this is helpful I can keep doing it

[Datisi]

hm, i don't think i actually know your meta well enough to be able to tell if what you're saying is true or not

will likely pause on commenting on that until some of my townreads do, hopefully someone with a better idea on how to read you

who do you wanna kill rn?

[fireisredsir]

however I'd also like to see where some of the bad vote slots (obscure, DV, S_S, marci, xofelf replacement) go while the wagons are still fairly tied up

Serious question, but you don't have to answer: what vote from me would make you townread me the most/scumread me the least?

This is an incredibly brazen towncred-grab. I'm not sure I'd have the guts to ask this as scum. I expected more backlash than I got; maybe people misunderstood me.

this is a weird one bc i never even considered that this would be your goal here? i interpreted it as you trying to sort GL, or like challenging whether his blanket statement makes actual sense when applied to your specific situation

calling it a brazen towncred grab is just a strange mindset to me bc i don't get why you as town would see it from that perspective

also i did think about the gamma defense thing but im p sure at that point you would have expected to flip before gamma and i think it's a play that makes more sense in that world

[Something_Smart]

also i did think about the gamma defense thing but im p sure at that point you would have expected to flip before gamma and i think it's a play that makes more sense in that world

do you think I would rule-of-3 myself, then?

[Frogsterking]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

[Something_Smart]

And yes, the whole point of 3833 was for GL to say "I'll townread you the most if you vote X", and then I vote X, and then GL townreads me more.

[Datisi]

And yes, the whole point of 3833 was for GL to say "I'll townread you the most if you vote X", and then I vote X, and then GL townreads me more.

is this sarcasm? because it feels like it

what was the point of that post?

[Something_Smart]

Not sarcasm. 100% genuine.

[fireisredsir]

also i did think about the gamma defense thing but im p sure at that point you would have expected to flip before gamma and i think it's a play that makes more sense in that world

do you think I would rule-of-3 myself, then?

in most cases, rule of 3 is not something i think is useful for people who are aware of it and i don't have much interest in trying to guess what level of wifom you would prefer to play it

[fireisredsir]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

[Frogsterking]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

Are you opposed to voting Menalque?

[Frogsterking]

@all

Does anyone have a link to the origin of the Luca Blight tell, like did they actually explain it anywhere or did other players who played with Luca Blight create it?

[Datisi]

@all

Does anyone have a link to the origin of the Luca Blight tell, like did they actually explain it anywhere or did other players who played with Luca Blight create it?

a player who is purely shitposting is likely town, but a player of the same posting amount who tries to put out a Bit of content is likely scum?

i have seen luca use that a few times, but i don't know the origin

[fireisredsir]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

Are you opposed to voting Menalque?

no, don't feel very strongly either direction on mena, i just think SS is more likely to be scum

[Frogsterking]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

Are you opposed to voting Menalque?

no, don't feel very strongly either direction on mena, i just think SS is more likely to be scum

Why?

[Ausuka]

ok i'm really sorry

i wanted to do gamma iso tonight

i am not doing well rn and i don't think i can

is there anything specific someone wants me to comment on

thanks

[Frogsterking]

@all

Does anyone have a link to the origin of the Luca Blight tell, like did they actually explain it anywhere or did other players who played with Luca Blight create it?

a player who is purely shitposting is likely town, but a player of the same posting amount who tries to put out a Bit of content is likely scum?

i have seen luca use that a few times, but i don't know the origin

This reminded me of it:

lame

when can i expect the content from you? i don't want you stalling out on it

I'm curious if the concept is applicable to S_S in this game, ie I'm curious if there is going to be an attempt fairly soon at forging scum reads in HDP. I'm ~69 pages in so far, S_S pops in around page ~45.

[Frogsterking]

ok i'm really sorry

i wanted to do gamma iso tonight

i am not doing well rn and i don't think i can

is there anything specific someone wants me to comment on

thanks

Menalque

[Nero Cain]

i don't really believe a word SS says

[Frogsterking]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

Are you opposed to voting Menalque?

no, don't feel very strongly either direction on mena, i just think SS is more likely to be scum

Why?

Why to both the null on Menalque and scum on S_S? I have a very low certainty feeling that you're resistant to voting Menalque and I'm not super clear why.

[Ausuka]

i was leaning town on mena's reaction on scamper

in general was not a big fan of obscure, but now we have someone active in that slot it's like

i guess i will wait and see what he does

[Nero Cain]

I came away thinking that GL makes sense as a scumbuddy with VP and he wasn't on the MT train

[Nero Cain]

like, he spends a decent chunk of time calling VP scum and having a back and forth with him but when there was a mini VP wagon d1 doesn't join. He does finally vote VP later on when the conman wagon was in full swing and no one was voting him at that point.

[Frogsterking]

UNVOTE:

I also sort of had a gut town reaction to those obscure posts

idk I get that he just claimed but I do want to actually reread the ISOs again and avoid making a bad decision out of inertia

Lamist maybe

It had almost no success getting traction on gamma because of a ubiquitous claim that her tone and emotion were coming from town, and I find it really weird that as far as I can say nothing really seems to have changed that much but here's a wagon out of nowhere.

my main thing with Gamma is I thought she felt genuinely uninformed of marci's alignment. When I pushed on marci at the very start of the game, Gamma kinda pushed back at me in a defensive way, I think this was out of considering her a friend and not wanting her to get bullied immediately out of playing at gamestart. Then Gamma slowly became more and more suspicious of marci throughout D1/D2, it didn't feel like a calculated trajectory to me and I feel scum!Gamma would have been more likely to stick to an approach of buddying marci rather than picking a fight with her and claiming to feel "betrayed"

VOTE: obscure

I'm still not feeling great about this and still need to re-ISO DV, I am taking a train to Portland shortly and will try to do a bit of reading during that, but looking at wagon comp I still like this option much better than DV. MT wagon seems ok but I haven't found the courage to re-evaluate my Gamma townread yet

Trying to save Gamma?

Is this what you're seeing D2, Nero?

[fireisredsir]

Fire, I take it you're pushing S_S lim today over Menalque?

yes

Are you opposed to voting Menalque?

no, don't feel very strongly either direction on mena, i just think SS is more likely to be scum

Why?

Why to both the null on Menalque and scum on S_S? I have a very low certainty feeling that you're resistant to voting Menalque and I'm not super clear why.

idk i just kinda townread obscure and haven't really seen anything that convinces me that he's scum

but multiple people who i think are probably town seem to want to elim there so idk they could be right

so yea im slightly resistant to wanting to vote there but i don't want to stand in the way of anyone else doing so