Open 866: CK9++ [game over!]

[BlueBloodedToffee]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pooky

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

pooky is playing like a shitter but honestly I don't know what to do with him because I feel like most of my desire to SR him just comes from him being really obnoxious towards me every time we play together

this just sounds like you're mad about being caught for the wrong reasons or w/e

also like if i'm mafia and you're town, why would I be obnoxious? the whole point of being scum is to vote out townies. I'd just be playing to my win con. you kinda tmiing that I'm town here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I kind of feel like if you were town you would've just voted me like 10 days ago or w/e instead of doing this whack ass I dunno handwringing

[SirCakez]

I really disliked cats early posting but this page has been much better, Maria calling her town and me scum for not very much looks worse on Maria than cat, I've decided.

Why can't they both be scum? What about Cat's posting did you like?

VOTE: lammolde
I'm sold

I don't like this vote. Frog's case was very 'meh'

@cat, it just felt very....dry? I'm used to being able to read you quickly and I think a lot of that is 'vibes'. I would've voted you but Maria's posting made me hesitate, and then I'm much happier just voting lammode. I think you are town now! Not sold on Maria.

Talk about why you're voting Lammode?

P much, but would also vote in Maria, cakes, maybe bbt, maybe dv

Umm, what? Awful pool

I like that Pooky liked my case on Lammolde.

He did? He had you at null and Lammode as town...

I feel this post incriminates bbt. Look in two different section he essentially pushes to get pressure off of Lam

[SirCakez]

pooky is playing like a shitter but honestly I don't know what to do with him because I feel like most of my desire to SR him just comes from him being really obnoxious towards me every time we play together

this just sounds like you're mad about being caught for the wrong reasons or w/e

also like if i'm mafia and you're town, why would I be obnoxious? the whole point of being scum is to vote out townies. I'd just be playing to my win con. you kinda tmiing that I'm town here

Cuz if ur Mafia being obnoxious will get me tilted, you've done it in the past

[Roden]

@sir cakez, talk to me about Roden? I pretty strongly think they are town.

like I said, POE bc he was off wagon and I TR most other people more

8 reads, I feel like you have a lot of reads and I'm not sure where they're all coming from.

the day 1 wagons and interactions with Lam have given me a lot; I find interactions with flipped scum to be a strong indicator of buddies
i'm not even thinking about possible SK right now; maybe they'll crosskill a scum for us

Based on?

POE mainly bc most people on Lam wagon were prob town so doesn't leave many other options and I don't TR either of you

Can you explain why you don't town read us?

because I haven't seen anything town-motivated or that I think is townie in your posting. I don't default TR people.

Back in SCP, Cakez was town and correctly scum read me. But he didn't just say "you're my PoE," he actively questioned and pressured me. When something stood out as scummy he would relentlessly hound me down.

Here it just seems like he saw the both of us were in other people's PoE and just scum read me based on that.

this game does not have that much to work with compared to that and like I've said a lot I feel like now I don't have something I find actively scummy about you

Gonna just repeat what I'm understanding here.

You think I'm scum because of a lack of townie-ness. You can't pinpoint anything in particular, but you think everyone else is just townier. It seems to be mostly based on wagon positioning from the D1 flash wagon.

Can you go down the list of everyone you find townie and explain your reasoning for why you find them as town?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pooky

Why

[DeasVail]

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

[DeasVail]

Cakez, walk me through your scum read on me?

I think your interactions around Lam are flat out terrible. You seem like you're trying to awkwardly defend them at points then you just rolled over and gave up and voted them. it didn't seem natural at all; it looked like a buddy giving up and trying to salvage some towncred

Can you show me where I was trying to defend them? Do you think my vote did a good job of getting me towncred?

The "do you think my vote did a good job of getting me towncred?" is sort of missing the point. What BBT thought would give them towncred is what's more important.

The defence of "would I have put my buddy at L-1 with Enchant in the game?" betrays the fact that BBT thinks this is the kind of thing that

should

get them towncred.
And the other thing about BBT saying this is that if they were town then they knew that they were effectively hammering someone (who they didn't necessarily think was scum) by voting them at L-1.

Imo much more likely that BBT voted to try and get on the wagon of the buddy (perhaps not realising that Enchant would hammer) than put someone at L-1 whose wagon they had previously been skeptical of.

[SirCakez]

@sir cakez, talk to me about Roden? I pretty strongly think they are town.

like I said, POE bc he was off wagon and I TR most other people more

8 reads, I feel like you have a lot of reads and I'm not sure where they're all coming from.

the day 1 wagons and interactions with Lam have given me a lot; I find interactions with flipped scum to be a strong indicator of buddies
i'm not even thinking about possible SK right now; maybe they'll crosskill a scum for us

Based on?

POE mainly bc most people on Lam wagon were prob town so doesn't leave many other options and I don't TR either of you

Can you explain why you don't town read us?

because I haven't seen anything town-motivated or that I think is townie in your posting. I don't default TR people.

Back in SCP, Cakez was town and correctly scum read me. But he didn't just say "you're my PoE," he actively questioned and pressured me. When something stood out as scummy he would relentlessly hound me down.

Here it just seems like he saw the both of us were in other people's PoE and just scum read me based on that.

this game does not have that much to work with compared to that and like I've said a lot I feel like now I don't have something I find actively scummy about you

Gonna just repeat what I'm understanding here.

You think I'm scum because of a lack of townie-ness. You can't pinpoint anything in particular, but you think everyone else is just townier. It seems to be mostly based on wagon positioning from the D1 flash wagon.

Can you go down the list of everyone you find townie and explain your reasoning for why you find them as town?

I think you could be scum but you aren't on the top of my list of suspects. I don't know why you're taking me saying you're in my pool as me declaring that you're 100% scum fuck who needs to die today

I'm not going to do that lol. If you ISO me I have a post where I quoted several posts from day 1 that I found townie from specific slots. I can't remember a post you made day 1.

[Roden]

@sir cakez, talk to me about Roden? I pretty strongly think they are town.

like I said, POE bc he was off wagon and I TR most other people more

8 reads, I feel like you have a lot of reads and I'm not sure where they're all coming from.

the day 1 wagons and interactions with Lam have given me a lot; I find interactions with flipped scum to be a strong indicator of buddies
i'm not even thinking about possible SK right now; maybe they'll crosskill a scum for us

Based on?

POE mainly bc most people on Lam wagon were prob town so doesn't leave many other options and I don't TR either of you

Can you explain why you don't town read us?

because I haven't seen anything town-motivated or that I think is townie in your posting. I don't default TR people.

Back in SCP, Cakez was town and correctly scum read me. But he didn't just say "you're my PoE," he actively questioned and pressured me. When something stood out as scummy he would relentlessly hound me down.

Here it just seems like he saw the both of us were in other people's PoE and just scum read me based on that.

this game does not have that much to work with compared to that and like I've said a lot I feel like now I don't have something I find actively scummy about you

Gonna just repeat what I'm understanding here.

You think I'm scum because of a lack of townie-ness. You can't pinpoint anything in particular, but you think everyone else is just townier. It seems to be mostly based on wagon positioning from the D1 flash wagon.

Can you go down the list of everyone you find townie and explain your reasoning for why you find them as town?

I think you could be scum but you aren't on the top of my list of suspects. I don't know why you're taking me saying you're in my pool as me declaring that you're 100% scum fuck who needs to die today

I'm not going to do that lol. If you ISO me I have a post where I quoted several posts from day 1 that I found townie from specific slots. I can't remember a post you made day 1.

I didn't say or even imply that I believe I'm you're top scum read. I just don't think your scum read on me is based on anything other than convenience/circumstance and doesn't seem real to me. Especially since you're still only reading me based on my content from D1 and don't seem to be taking a look at anything from today. And honestly, there's some cognitive dissonance here that you would scum read me over my D1 but then claim that your D1 isn't AI, despite us having very similar D1 issues.

[Datisi]

vote count 2.04

with 10 votes in play, it takes 6 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-03 00:00:00).

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SirCakez [3]:

Malakittens, PookyTheMagicalBear, Gamma Emerald

PookyTheMagicalBear [3]:

Enchant, Frogsterking, BlueBloodedToffee

BlueBloodedToffee [2]:

SirCakez, DeasVail

not voting [2]:

Roden, Bellaphant

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[DeasVail]

I’m a bit conflicted on Cakez at the moment. I can still see a case for him being scum and can’t exactly articulate why I think he might be town but there’s just something there that makes me expect a townflip. Maybe it’s the messiness of the posting or the lack of obvious attempt to

look

consistent in his reads and posting. I don’t know. But regardless, BBT feels like the more likely scum flip to me.

[Frogsterking]

this feels like textbook demotivated scum team who dont post or try cuz they fell behind early

when have I ever ONCE ghosted on a failing scum team
i always try and you know that we've gone to war so much at this point

also ya I +1 SK theory cuz I don't see why a vig would have shot either of those people

you pretty much went awol in Eurybia's curse on your scum team then you had to drink like a gallon of vodka just to find the courage to even post

that's just a blatant lie read scum chat

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

this game just ended so I can quote this now:

this is how town cakes feels about me:

viewtopic.php?p=13503084#p13503084

he forgot about it this game cuz he's a scum fuck lolololol

I don't understand the context of the meta argument so the nou nou back and forth doesn't mean anything to me other than one or both of you are lying. The game you linked to in 406 isn't convincing because it feels like a big step back from what --if you were telling the truth-- was a big opportunity to validate your activity tell on Cakez as well as catch them in a lie by refuting 380.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

refute what he was literally afk

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

here's game link:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89546

[Frogsterking]

Pooky why not refute this? Instead you linked to here:

refute what he was literally afk

here's game link:

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=89546

(maf PT)
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=89547

I can see Cakez survived that entire game and was the only scum to do so. Cakez said in 380 to check the maf PT which I linked above. I haven't read the main thread yet but based on the maf PT it looks like Town was tearing itself apart and Cakez told his only remaining scum buddy at the time that they were in a good spot now and to
"...not rock the boat." Cakez scum buddy replied
"I think it's safer to rock the boat a little..." followed quickly after by a long string of posts which are some variation of "oh no I made a terrible mistake."

Based on what I've read so far it doesn't look like Cakez abandons a failing scum team. Is my opinion going to change if I bother to read the main thread?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea he survived by pretending not to know what was going on.

very present

much thread influence

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also his team lost so surviving wasnt exactly useful

[Frogsterking]

pooky is playing like a shitter but honestly I don't know what to do with him because I feel like most of my desire to SR him just comes from him being really obnoxious towards me every time we play together

this just sounds like you're mad about being caught for the wrong reasons or w/e

also like if i'm mafia and you're town, why would I be obnoxious? the whole point of being scum is to vote out townies. I'd just be playing to my win con. you kinda tmiing that I'm town here

Cuz if ur Mafia being obnoxious will get me tilted, you've done it in the past

Can you link to a completed game where scum!pooky plays this way toward your slot?

[Enchant]

yea he survived by pretending not to know what was going on.

It's basically me as every alignment

[Bellaphant]

VOTE: bbt

I'm not sold on cakes being scum and I think this pooky arguement isnt very convincing either way.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: BBT
back to this then

[SirCakez]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=87795
This is the game where Pooky infamously snowed me in final three and I cost town the game

[SirCakez]

There was a 13p game very soon after that one where Pooky and I 1v1ed in LyLo and he won and pissed me off again but I can't remember what it was it was a while ago like last year