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[catboi]

Vote Count 2.03

Sweet soul sister
Keep on pushing till the dawn, well, well, well, well

Elements (3):

Gamma Emerald, Not Known 15, Malakittens

Malakittens (2):

Roden, Fredrick A Campbell

Fredrick A Campbell (2):

Elements, MegAzumarill

Roden (1):

MathBlade

With 8 alive, it's 5 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is October 4 at 9:00 PM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-10-04 21:00:00)

[Fredrick A Campbell]

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Roden]

Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?

[catboi]

Given the site downtime over the weekend, I will be extending the deadline by 3 days to compensate for lost time/people getting their bearings back.

[Elements]

Spoiler:

We all can say with confidence that Mathblade isn't CL.
So Mathblade was Town Day 1.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is " I think X but". We saw this on Drapion, who flipped Cult.

Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.

My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.

This read way too honest for me. This reads to me like Drapion had a plan to be TR’d early and Drapion is one of those too honest scum that doesn’t know yet how to highlight which points of scum to highlight and which not. This makes me think that Drapion will have never voted the cult leader.

Yeah no. That assessment is actually made out of thin air. All rests on the unsubstantiated "Drapion is one of those too honest scum"; and even if it was honest it might have been something Drapion wanted to

avoid doing

because they knew it.

I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.

I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.

This is some next level BS because this rests on "there was a bus" which we have no credible evidence for. It took a lot for Drapion to be limmed.
The "elements is town" case is, again, made out of thin air.

Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.

This very much reads to me like Drapion’s CL had the intention of converting me and then driving that bus into the ground. Let’s look at the prior post Drapion had.

Why would Math assume that the CL would try to convert them? Maybe because it succeeded?

Now comes the question of who Roden would convert.

If they tried me and failed they would know they would need to buddy me. Especially if they think I am the inconvertible Townie.

This really matches his open and why I wanted to back off and give space to see if someone else was a convert target.

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

VOTE: Roden

This is again, Math's scum bullshit mode meta.
This rests on the assumption that Roden failed to convert(something that is not likely from the position of a VT). It also rests on "no one else has been converted".

If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.

The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.

Backed up by exactly nothing.

VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.

Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?

Ditto here tbh

Agreed on bad vibe. I don’t think Elements can be CL though

But if a wagon forms again with TRs I will follow onto it like Drapion

Mainly I kinda don’t think any wagon except Fred is on a potential CL candidate though :/

So I am just blah.

We have to remove the CL. So this is a soft defense of Elements.
That isn't the only telling thing though, here!
Remember what Math said before?

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

But if that thing would give them a bad vibe, and element isn't CL, they could be the convert, right?
However, Mathblade never backs down from that theory:

I didn't take back a read on you. Like there's nothing else to say here, what you're seeing here is a completely foreign interpretation of what actually happened.

What I'm understanding is that because I didn't unvote Hutmeil after you replaced in, you think that I scum read you as well. If that's the case, that's something I can understand. If not, I don't know what to say, I can't argue with something that I know didn't happen.

Repeating this repeatedly is toxic af to the game

I will just go after you tomorrow when we don’t flip the CL today because we cant

Well, that was not what I was expecting....
but Mathblade has spewed themselves as the convert... and Elements as Cult Leader.
Every time Mathblade said loads of massive BS it was when scum-pushing someone, with one exception. Elements.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is also telling us that Elements is Mathblade's CL: Math is trying to establish a thought progression here, but on Day 1 Math said:

180 is how I form reads

Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are

So I make hypothesis and test them

I was evidently wrong on that one post (458) coming from town.
VOTE: Elements

It's amazing how someone can conf. bias themselves into a particular viewpoint. That or Fred is CL and 15 is the convert trying to get the wagon off them.

[Elements]

And I would've recruited Meg

[MegAzumarill]

And I would've recruited Meg

Why so?

[Elements]

And I would've recruited Meg

Why so?

you're well read and wouldn't have to change your stance on me

[Not Known 15]

Spoiler:

We all can say with confidence that Mathblade isn't CL.
So Mathblade was Town Day 1.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is " I think X but". We saw this on Drapion, who flipped Cult.

Yeah honestly I think our objective here is to figure out who the CL is and make sure they are executed today.
Also make sure to remember that the second cult member might try and save their CL today cause if they don’t they would have a low chance of winning.

My suggestion is to make sure if your town reading someone not to blindly sheep their town reads (I never do) but cause like they could be the second cultist trying to make their CL look good so make sure you have valid reasons for each of your Townreads.

This read way too honest for me. This reads to me like Drapion had a plan to be TR’d early and Drapion is one of those too honest scum that doesn’t know yet how to highlight which points of scum to highlight and which not. This makes me think that Drapion will have never voted the cult leader.

Yeah no. That assessment is actually made out of thin air. All rests on the unsubstantiated "Drapion is one of those too honest scum"; and even if it was honest it might have been something Drapion wanted to

avoid doing

because they knew it.

I do actually like Elements too but nothing that makes me say “yeah this is town”
But I do think Gamma/Elements are not both aligned together so if Gamma flips wolf then I think Elements is just town.
Although I guess if Gamma isn’t the CL then the CL could convert Elements and no longer make them town but my point is I don’t think they are ever starting wolves.

I think furthermore if my theory that Gamma isn’t CL is correct because of the vote then it’s likely Elements isn’t either because I don’t see any evidence of a planned bus. Maybe a planned conversion of Elements later but this really reads as TMI.

This is some next level BS because this rests on "there was a bus" which we have no credible evidence for. It took a lot for Drapion to be limmed.
The "elements is town" case is, again, made out of thin air.

Yes.
One of my voters are definitely a cult and I think it’s Math.

This very much reads to me like Drapion’s CL had the intention of converting me and then driving that bus into the ground. Let’s look at the prior post Drapion had.

Why would Math assume that the CL would try to convert them? Maybe because it succeeded?

Now comes the question of who Roden would convert.

If they tried me and failed they would know they would need to buddy me. Especially if they think I am the inconvertible Townie.

This really matches his open and why I wanted to back off and give space to see if someone else was a convert target.

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

VOTE: Roden

This is again, Math's scum bullshit mode meta.
This rests on the assumption that Roden failed to convert(something that is not likely from the position of a VT). It also rests on "no one else has been converted".

If it can be achieved, I will execute Malakittens, Not Known 15 or Elements this day phase. This decision is not final.

The one exception is maybe Frederick because imho that PoE is terrible.

Backed up by exactly nothing.

VOTE: Elements
I get a bad vibe from his Fred vote. Meg’s too but she’s probably not CL.

Can you explain that "bad vibe" a bit more?

Ditto here tbh

Agreed on bad vibe. I don’t think Elements can be CL though

But if a wagon forms again with TRs I will follow onto it like Drapion

Mainly I kinda don’t think any wagon except Fred is on a potential CL candidate though :/

So I am just blah.

We have to remove the CL. So this is a soft defense of Elements.
That isn't the only telling thing though, here!
Remember what Math said before?

Nothing is striking me now which makes me think he failed the convert.

But if that thing would give them a bad vibe, and element isn't CL, they could be the convert, right?
However, Mathblade never backs down from that theory:

I didn't take back a read on you. Like there's nothing else to say here, what you're seeing here is a completely foreign interpretation of what actually happened.

What I'm understanding is that because I didn't unvote Hutmeil after you replaced in, you think that I scum read you as well. If that's the case, that's something I can understand. If not, I don't know what to say, I can't argue with something that I know didn't happen.

Repeating this repeatedly is toxic af to the game

I will just go after you tomorrow when we don’t flip the CL today because we cant

Well, that was not what I was expecting....
but Mathblade has spewed themselves as the convert... and Elements as Cult Leader.
Every time Mathblade said loads of massive BS it was when scum-pushing someone, with one exception. Elements.

I kinda think Elements makes a good CL but the fact I wasn’t culted means scum might hope I tunnel elements.

I kinda want to see how people open.

This is also telling us that Elements is Mathblade's CL: Math is trying to establish a thought progression here, but on Day 1 Math said:

180 is how I form reads

Scum rarely if ever do relational reads or feel where the vibes are

So I make hypothesis and test them

I was evidently wrong on that one post (458) coming from town.
VOTE: Elements

It's amazing how someone can conf. bias themselves into a particular viewpoint. That or Fred is CL and 15 is the convert trying to get the wagon off them.

Do you have an alternative explanation? One that doesn't make your "confbias" the mudslinging it probably is?

[Not Known 15]

Why are there so many blank votes? And what's the case on Elements?

Read my case on the previous page.

[Elements]

No one says 423 about their own CL after being recruited.
And given I'm not CL I know your deductions are just wrong

[MegAzumarill]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

[MegAzumarill]

Part of it may be the two days away but I have trouble finding convincing reason to not shoot between the unspewed quiets..(Mala, Frederick, and Elements)

Elements is still my least favorite shot out of the three. I don't really see the MO they are going for here if they are CL.

[MegAzumarill]

probably should reread the game but i don't really wanna so I'll just ISO the CL pool or somethin

[MegAzumarill]

Idk if you're trying to defend your skill here but I'm not saying anything about how you're playing, it's how you're talking. In the Micro you do seem different there, you're less wordy and I don't get the feeling you're reading over your posts before you hit submit.

I don't think 82 and 84 read like they've been read over. Maybe a bit wordy but explaining gut reads be like that.
82 and 84 are the important post coz they're actual thoughts, the rest is like, yea sure it's more read over but it's also defensive so that's kinda what you expect

But you have Roden as your top pick?
What about gamma's push on drapion did you dislike as compared to roden?

The groupings aren't ordered

Actually these two look a lot scummier in retrospect. A significant part of the day 1 Elements ISO is defending drapion.

[MegAzumarill]

I think this player has the highest chance of being mafia by virtue of post count and content of 伊's posts.

VOTE: Malakittens

Spoiler: What is 伊

Third person singular pronoun in Hokkien Chinese

Don't really like this. It's a weak push but considering Mala's day 1 "posts" it's not unreasonable here.

I don't think Drapion's early game really suggests 伊 is cult leader.

Well, why not?

I actually don't think Drapion's early game suggests 伊's alignment at all.

But I actually think Drapion's early game suggests ProfessorDrapion is town. I just forgot about that when I made the post I quoted.

This doesn't feel like scum hedging and I don't think CL!Fred defends his partner like this. Occams razor to me says town here.

I'll UNVOTE: here for now.


It's hard to compare Mala's lack of an ISO here to Elements. I do recall that their (elements)thoughts were close to mine which is +points for town but idk. I do see some of the stuff for the wagon on them now
Mala on the other hand doesn't really have anything to read for day 1 so I'll give my past self some credit and go here.
VOTE: Malakittens

[Not Known 15]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.

[MathBlade]

This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.

I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.

Rest I haven’t read

[MegAzumarill]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.

I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amount

[Not Known 15]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.

I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amount

Please share these inconsistencies you are seeing.

[Not Known 15]

This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.

I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.

Rest I haven’t read

This is a scummy post.

[Elements]

how?

[MegAzumarill]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.

I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amount

Please share these inconsistencies you are seeing.

See: My scumcase of Mathblade day 1

[Not Known 15]

NK15, your case doesn't really tie in much from elements (or anything at all) that makes you think they are CL.

Even if you are right on Mathblade being the recruit I don't see how that makes Elements CL.

It does because the only math townread that is full of BS is Elements and because of what I said below the second-last quote in my case post.

I still really prefer hunting for CL first then working the way down. I also think even Math's day 1 in isolation ia inconsiatant at points so I'm hesitant to be certain on your math case since I don't think their play has changed a huge amount

Please share these inconsistencies you are seeing.

See: My scumcase of Mathblade day 1

Looked at it. That is a playstyle clash with a bit of tunnelling on Math's part. An 1v1 with tunnely behaviour is not the same as pushing multiple BS reads(their scumreads, and the Elements townread).

[Not Known 15]

This is a prod dodge as I have work stuff.

I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed. Will discuss later.

Rest I haven’t read

This is a scummy post.

how?

Me:Scumcase against Math,pointing to Elements as scum, too.
Math:"I think the argument I am the recruit is horribly flawed "
Does this look like a town reaction to you?