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[Ausuka]

i broadly do, yeah. i thought the "you guys better not let frog live to endgame" given how people have been treating frog and, like, datisi putting him firmly in the poe, felt performative? and i still believe there was some scummy stuff in his early game

re 8096 i kinda don't expect scum to be so blatantly opportunistic as to shade and target all the miselims they're going to need? assuming there's 1 scum, they are quite a way off and like trying to actively create paths to all those miselims just sounds like it would be too blatant

now that i'm actually thinking about this game i need to go through the menalque associatives though >.>

[fireisredsir]

if y'all don't ever flip frog this game i will be big mad

this doesn't really feel genuine given your trajectory on frog

why not?

im not digging up receipts right now but i feel like before you cased frog you at one point felt pretty strongly that this was frog's town game

i guess maybe you getting big mad about someone you've only more recently gotten confident about doesn't match up with my image of you as a player

thats tru i don't ever really get big mad

i would be a little annoyed tho because in 238 im p sure i remember laying out a poe of like 4 people and it had 3 scum in it

and then we ended up yeeting the 1 town and then i got nk'd and then town kept making excuses for frog and then we lost

in that game i was also townreading frog like the entire game until i realized that was dumb lol

[Ausuka]

Datisi I'm proud of u for following my patented "reading MT" method

menalque isn't scum with datisi

[Ausuka]

ok uh smart ppl say frog is scum but like

looking back at the frog/mena interactions, i dont really see it?

like i guess it's possible he decided to treat his buddy like that? with the whole thing about him not posting when he was busy?

but it doesn't seem likely to me

[fireisredsir]

the only smart person saying frog is scum rn is me i think

and a dead scamper

[fireisredsir]

that isn't a dig at other people not being smart btw i just don't think anyone else really thinks he's scum which is what makes me concerned that if i die then he will win

[Ausuka]

i thought datisi was saying that

unless you're saying that he's not smart

pedit: lmao

[Datisi]

if we're talking about "frog bussing mena", i don't really think that's out of the question as s/s because i would not be surprised if mena's first posts in the scum pt were something like "ah shit oh fuck i'm prob going to die soon, bus me lole"

the *intensity* with which he did it is something else, but that's going into the general "can scum-frogs replicate this" read, not "would scum-frogs treat a partner like this" read

[fireisredsir]

anyway would love to have it explained why town frog suddenly flips on MT and mena when they replace in after previously townreading both slots and pushing back against suspicion there

like literally get scamper back in here

it's not about what his scum plan is. sometimes scum do things just for the sake of being unpredictable. sometimes it's hard to understand their motivations

what matters is whether the actions make sense from a town mindset

they don't

[Ausuka]

ok uh smart ppl say frog is scum but like

looking back at the frog/mena interactions, i dont really see it?

like i guess it's possible he decided to treat his buddy like that? with the whole thing about him not posting when he was busy?

but it doesn't seem likely to me

i also thought he was scum in a recent mini normal for like doing weird things where he turned around and started like strongly pushing me d2 after townreading me strongly for ll of d1 and he ended up being town? so that is colouring my perception a bit

(that game ended up being void, because the vig tried to shoot the cop and the mod killed a mafia member instead, but i don't think that makes this invalid)

pedit: i am more inclined to believe scum would bus mena there than not, in a general sense. i don't really see the way frog pushed him so aggresively when he was busy as partnered though.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: fireisredsir

fire is orange, actually

[fireisredsir]

why would it not be partnered frog has tmi that mena is scum and thinks its dumb that town won't let him bus him

in 238 late game the whole scum team including frog was trying their hardest to bus eyes and then town wouldn't let them

[fireisredsir]

idc just please do not let him live to the end of the game

[Ausuka]

i think the tonal thing where he's like

so convinced mena is lying about being busy or, whatever? and is being so aggressive about it. doesn't seem fake to me. and in general i don't think scum are that likely to treat their partners that way.

i also think the way he kept like going on about how incompetent people are for wanting to give mena time and complaining about the masons doesn't really feel partnered. like, i expect scum to bus their partners a lot, but on average i don't expect them to be outright hostile around the topic of their partner?

i also think read flips can def come from town frog, and i mean i probably should review that time more but the idea that town frog wouldn't flip reads in that manner comes off as very unconvincing to me.

pedit: shrug i mean if ur town i'll take ur reads into account i guess? i don't have massive confidence in my reads generally but i am not really seeing this

[Thestatusquo]

anyway would love to have it explained why town frog suddenly flips on MT and mena when they replace in after previously townreading both slots and pushing back against suspicion there

like literally get scamper back in here

it's not about what his scum plan is. sometimes scum do things just for the sake of being unpredictable. sometimes it's hard to understand their motivations

what matters is whether the actions make sense from a town mindset

they don't

I don't believe this is a real thing you think.

Frogs reads and interactions with literally everyone in this game can be defined by rapid fire shifts and switches for basically no reason and logic that can be charitably described as stretched.

That's basically his whole game play. He went from saying I was lock scum to saying I was town to 5 pages later saying I was lock scum again day 2.

I do not believe you wouldn't think about this in a fair analysis of frogs play.

[fireisredsir]

i mean my reads aren't great either but i do not think thats at all a valid reason to clear someone especially when that someone is frog

[Thestatusquo]

i mean my reads aren't great either but i do not think thats at all a valid reason to clear someone especially when that someone is frog

you don't think "he rapid fire shifts reads on everyone" is a reason to be skeptical of "he rapid fire shifted his reads on x and y" as a reason to scum read him?

Why? Feel like he did it in the town game I read too. I dont remember if he did it as much in the scum game but maybe I should check.

[fireisredsir]

no i was talking to ausuka not you

[Thestatusquo]

Oh no my ego.

[Ausuka]

im not sure how important this is but like

could mena claiming vt in response to scamper imply the last scum role is some sort of information role?

especially given the ydrasse kill.

also i haven't cleared frog? i just don't think it's frog. ribbit.

[fireisredsir]

clearly this is your bias for frogs as an animal showing smh

[Thestatusquo]

im not sure how important this is but like

could mena claiming vt in response to scamper imply the last scum role is some sort of information role?

especially given the ydrasse kill.

also i haven't cleared frog? i just don't think it's frog. ribbit.

I guess is that more likely than just that's the baseline claim.

[Thestatusquo]

I do think scum likely have some power given town power level though. Or there's two.

[Ausuka]

oops i probably shouldn't have said that until massclaim finishes actually >.>

[fireisredsir]

i think mena prob just knew that obscure had already claimed VT, idk if its meaningful

frog asked him to claim on entrance and mena ignored him