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[Frogsterking]

What does that even mean

It's a pretty straightforward question.

It's not. I don't know what a mega athlete is.

You're sort of a universal gamer FMPOV and seem to strive to do well at all of them. Do you apply a similar mindset to athletic stuff?

I should have said mega gamer rather universal gamer to make the analogy more clear about what I'm asking.

[Thestatusquo]

I don't have very many athletic pursuits. I did when I was younger. I'm in a bowling league but I'm pretty bad.

I don't really play video games either.

[Thestatusquo]

It kind of just sounds like you're asking if I'm very competitive and the answer to that is yes?

[Thestatusquo]

As always though I'm less confused about what you're asking (although this time I was confused by what you were asking) and more confused by its relevance to anything.

[Dannflor]

sure

that was me arguing against a town read, not arguing for a scum read

I wouldn't trust a town read on me on the basis of "he can't make up his mind"

I guess my issue is that I don't really see you having any preferences really besides fire. But you sure keep coming up with vague reasons people you're town reading could possibly be scum that you might be able to come back to later, but you don't actually seem that invested in them being scum.

How convinced are you that fireisred is scum and why?

at this point in the game I think everyone left is relatively towny

it is very hard for me to get as confident a scum read on someone as I could on say obscure

everyone left is also a very good player so I really feel like when I *do* get confident on something I have to triple check my work elsewhere because well I hate being wrong.

fireisredsir is the slot that I feel like I have the least amount of reasons to rule out. he is the slot I've suspected the most off and on throughout the game. and I feel like he is the slot most playing for a day past this day phase.

frogster seemed the most obviously scummy to me and he was where I was fixated on at day start, but I did my double check thing and I feel like I found pretty good reasons to rule him out. granted, I don't think everyone agrees with that.

I've thought you were town Shea through most of the game. I've had a couple moments of doubt, largely at the end of the previous day. But I don't think you are really playing to end game and I think the way you've behaved concerning your relationships to flipped scum is... unlikely to be scum. I've seen you play scum before and you're more subtle than that.

That being said, I won't lie and say that I will be super surprised if I'm wrong on fire. I find this point in the game really hard and I wish I could have more confidence. I'm continuing to look at fire and the other slots that feel like I could most be wrong on right now because I'm looking for that AHAH moment that affirms my confidence and solidifies that I'm going in the right place.

and I realize from that outside that isn't super detectable from sorting and keeping options open but I'm probably gonna keep doing and keep posting in thread about it because like it's the only way I'm gonna end this day feeling comfortable about where I'm voting

[Thestatusquo]

When have you seen me play scum before?

[Dannflor]

redfire what are your reads rn?

prob most interested in looking for scum in dann, shea, SS, marci rn. a slight level below that would be xofelf and gamma

strongest TRs on ausuka, scamper, you. not quite as strong on datisi, hem, obscure, ydra, frog. then DV and GL are kinda weak townleans ig

i think thats everyone

okay this is funny
our strongest TRs line up but aside from that there's notable variance
I think I'll pencil in fire as town for this

right now I think this post is like one of the strongest points for fire!town

I know Ausuka disagrees

but it seems just like SO BAD. aren't you going to be more careful about town reading a buddy?

but this might be gamma specific so I'm going through Gamma's scum games to see if I can find a similar type of read on a buddy

[Dannflor]

When have you seen me play scum before?

team mafia

I wasn't in your game but I was on Pine's team

the game was kind of a clusterfuck

[Frogsterking]

I don't have very many athletic pursuits. I did when I was younger. I'm in a bowling league but I'm pretty bad.

I don't really play video games either.

It kind of just sounds like you're asking if I'm very competitive and the answer to that is yes?

Okay. I was asking because despite how competitive you are everyone burns out after a while and I feel like you would have burned out by now if you are scum.

PEdit

You're in luck then because I'm making a fairly nuanced point. It takes a lot of energy to manufacture all these lies at the rate you would be doing if you are group!scum. I get that lying can become autopilot after a while but it still requires metabolizing glucose and increases stress on the central nervous system for most people AFAIK.

I don't think you've played a bunch of mafia games either recently based on your comments about "coming out of retirement" so it's not like your scum play is likely to be at its peak here.

If you were some marathon runner as one of your hobbies I might be more inclined to think differently. You're saying that you aren't and didn't understand the context of my question so I'm inferring you're telling the truth and therefore are incapable of executing your play in this game as scum.

[Dannflor]

wow I think that's the towniest post frogster has made all game

[Thestatusquo]

When have you seen me play scum before?

team mafia

I wasn't in your game but I was on Pine's team

the game was kind of a clusterfuck

I feel like I can't be judged by anything I did while having to listen to flavor leaf all the damn time.

[DeasVail]

redfire what are your reads rn?

prob most interested in looking for scum in dann, shea, SS, marci rn. a slight level below that would be xofelf and gamma

strongest TRs on ausuka, scamper, you. not quite as strong on datisi, hem, obscure, ydra, frog. then DV and GL are kinda weak townleans ig

i think thats everyone

okay this is funny
our strongest TRs line up but aside from that there's notable variance
I think I'll pencil in fire as town for this

right now I think this post is like one of the strongest points for fire!town

I know Ausuka disagrees

but it seems just like SO BAD. aren't you going to be more careful about town reading a buddy?

but this might be gamma specific so I'm going through Gamma's scum games to see if I can find a similar type of read on a buddy

I agree, but like you I'm at the point where I can think of reasons for townreading everyone, and I just think the stuff supporting fire-town is the least clearing.

[Dannflor]

The dogpiling jokes aside I will give something_smart a chance to get involved in the game I suppose.

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma who are the scum and why

Marci
One of you/obscure
humaneatingmonkey
And maybe someone else

my gamme meta dive was a bust but it did make me come back to this

how likely was it that gamma was scum reading ALL of his partners on D2? feels more likely even for a known busser to be town reading one of your buddies

[Thestatusquo]

I mean the context of that post is that she was scum reading me and marci because we were pressuring her iirc. I don't remember if that's the same reason for HEM, maybe it was. Did they have a spat at some point too?

Obscure just seems thrown in there for funsies.

[Thestatusquo]

Presented without comment

HEM what are your thoughts on me rn?

i do like the overlap in townreads that most of the people i townread have

maybe willing to just trust scamper's gamma read

definitely willing to find two ish people that are consensus scumread by the towncore and wagon em up and get things moving

frogster seems to be doing good work and being protown. tbh i live in fear that the other shoe will drop at any moment but i do think he's probably town here and i like the approach he's taking so far

What are your own thoughts on me?

[Thestatusquo]

what about me makes you think i have a chip on my shoulder
what about my handling of her makes it not look right

I think you’re salty about last game and want to exact vengeance upon the one that sniffed you out, or at the very least you’re scared of a repeat

this feels wild enough to be +town ?

this is valid
Ausuka actually has the context for why I thought this

Ok so my reads list is something like

{Irrelephant, Marci, Nero, scamper, Ydrasse}
{Aristeia, Gamma, Guiltylion, humaneatingmoney, obscure, xofelf}
{Deasvail, Firebringer, Froggy}
{Datisi, fireisredsir}
{ConManMick, Dannsflor, VP Baltar}

Ftr I am starting to reconsider Datisi because even though I think he's been scummy I suck hard at reading him and I don't think he's doing much in the pursuit of like being Super Town and positioning himself for endgame? Does that makes sense??

Also these reads are more "vibes" than "people sorted by actual probability of being scum based on their scumrange and my ability to read them"

Noticing multiple SRs on Dann, I do wanna know what’s up w that because I feel like he does have an odd habit of getting yeeted D1 as scum, tho only 1 instance comes to mind immediately

Dannflor (5): humaneatingmonkey, GuiltyLion, Frogsterking, Ausuka, Datisi
ConManMick (4): scamper, Ydrasse, Aristeia, VP Baltar
GuiltyLion (3): skitter30, DeasVail, Dannflor
Gamma Emerald (3): Irrelephant11, fireisredsir, Nero Cain
obscure (1): Firebringer
Aristeia (1): ConManMick
Frogsterking (1): Gamma Emerald
Not voting (2): marcistar, xofelf
Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-09-09 23:15:00). With 20 alive, 11 is needed to lim and 10 to no lim.
Mod notes: no weird pictures have some music

Ayo redfire, you still good w your vote?

This post on the other hand seems like an incredibly weird thing to say to a buddy.

[Thestatusquo]

The first one is quoted mistakenly, was just talking about the comment to fire.

[Dannflor]

Has your read on Gamma changed?

I felt like our 1v1 was making the game intolerable so i backed off to give it more thought.

What are your current thoughts on me?

GL what are your thoughts on me specifically?

seems to be something gamma says with relative frequency

both of these from separate games where gamma was town

[Thestatusquo]

Gamma doesn't talk about fire very much at all. What is there is all vague defense stuff rather than the bus stuff we see with her partners that have flipped.

There's several posts vaguely defending fire early in the game before we even get to the "I'll pencil you in for town" post.

If anything it looks more like pocketing attempts than bussing, but on the other hand its hard to believe that he wouldn't have ANY partners in town reads.

[Thestatusquo]

Has your read on Gamma changed?

I felt like our 1v1 was making the game intolerable so i backed off to give it more thought.

What are your current thoughts on me?

GL what are your thoughts on me specifically?

seems to be something gamma says with relative frequency

both of these from separate games where gamma was town

Ok but he said it to exactly two people this game. Maybe its something he knows he does but replicated it towards just his scum buddies here. I'm just reading and throwing shit out.

[Thestatusquo]

I am less confident I know anything about this game at all after reading gammas iso and ctrl fing "fireis"

[fireisredsir]

wow I think that's the towniest post frogster has made all game

why

[Thestatusquo]

People who have done associative dives are there good reasons dannflor is unlikely to be scum that I am not remembering?

[Datisi]

People who have done associative dives are there good reasons dannflor is unlikely to be scum that I am not remembering?

8048

[fireisredsir]

gamma can you elaborate on your HEM read? that feels unpopular

dannflor felt townier in the moment when i first started reading the thread, but i thought the person they subbed in for was really scummy.

obscure, what about my 8 post predecessor was really scummy?

@thestatusquo I am a new player. I'm not asking to be seen as townie for it as I do have experience with social deduction games but I would prefer if you respect the fact that I am new regardless because... what you're saying is coming across as quite offensive when I'm only trying to figure things out. Maybe I seem dumb but subbing into a game for the first time in so many pages as my first game ever isn't exactly easy.

More thoughts tomorrow.

mmmmm over under on the sincerity here?

VOTE: gamma

Gamma why is HEM scum

this series of 5 posts in a row all about flipped scum isn't like clearing but i think he would be self-conscious about focusing so much on his partners