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[Thestatusquo]

dannflor
- hem has a lot of posts on day 1 that were shitpushing dannflor, to the point where they do not look s/s and where dann might just be clear off hem flip alone (1133, 1177, 1206, 1578, 1585, 1588, 1693, 2335, 2337, 2348 quickly turned into 2397) (s)
- prior to the vc in 4314, which had s/s gamma/hem wagons, he voted gamma. scum is less likely to vote the lesser scum wagon in this scenario (same as deasvail) (s)
- 987 and 1144 don't feel like s/s (d)
- 1438 feels opportunistic and not s/s (d)

Hmmmm, at the very least I don't agree about 1438 especially considering gamma is generally super bussy with his other partners this game. Pushing VPB, HEM and Obscure at various points and with various levels of vehemence. I don't really agree with the 4314 point at all. I think scum will tend to vote where they feel their progressions are better.

Can you walk me through why you think the hem posts earlier don't look distancy to you? Because some of them look quite distancy to me.

VOTE: humaneatingmonkey

i missed this

what's good eiralox

This one in particular looks QUITE like how I would expect scum to react to being voted by their partner.

im good with ending the day on a dannflor or gamma flip. those two are my top priorities.

And this one which we literally know the other person involved in a scum buddy.

I think HEM was making a lot of noise eirolox and dannflors way but I don't really think he was ever actually making a genuine attempt at limming.

Do you disagree?

[fireisredsir]

lmao right after that i talked him into a hem townread oops yea flip me

[Thestatusquo]

The more I read gammas iso the more I don't think fireisred makes a lot of sense with gamma buddy.

Or at the very least if they are buddies gamma played extremely different towards fireisred than she did with all her other buddies.

[fireisredsir]

he also just really consistently was not only voting but actively pushing for wagons on obscure and gamma (and joined the hem wagon when that was a thing)

and if he is scum he would have been spending a lot of that time looking for a paranoia out onto me, even voting me at one point, and just generally being wary

but after ausuka drops her case on me,

VOTE: morning tweet

he goes to tweet instead, and in context i think this is the vote that kills tweet. he didn't have to place it at all

like its possible he's just bussing his whole team (obviously any possible scum remaining did some amount of bussing) but like compared to frog none of it feels like it's tmi'd or unnatural or opportunistic

[Thestatusquo]

This is a good point.

[fireisredsir]

yea it is thats why it's like the 5th time im making it

[Thestatusquo]

This is a tough solve. We'll probably win just because of numbers but whomever the last scum is has played very well and is not super obvious.

[Thestatusquo]

I'm sympathetic to dann saying something similar to that earlier.

[Thestatusquo]

time for me to get paranoid about ausuka for a while and then read datisis post and decide they can't be scum either.

[Datisi]

Can you walk me through why you think the hem posts earlier don't look distancy to you? Because some of them look quite distancy to me.

it seemed to me like hem was more serious about wanting to kill dannflor than he was about wanting to kill gamma there

i'm not sure why eira votes their own partner as the only thing that they do this game, and then unvotes because monkey cute or whatever it was

also hem had a post about how replacements were +scum (att when dann and frogs were replacements) and it's like

i don't have a better explanation than vibes, sorry

1438 doesn't give me the "bus vote vibes" that gamma's hem vote on d2 gave me (which reminder i immediately called out as a bus vote); this one feels less attention grabby and more like scum trying to get onto a misyeet wagon without ruffling any feathers

[Thestatusquo]

ok.

[Dannflor]

i don't wanna crash everyone talking about how town i am by i also casing myself and making everyone paranoid

but shea if you are town you have to ask yourself why I would heavily push against the dueling wagons of you/S_S and instead heavily push for obscure

I mean I guess it depends how sincere you think I was about killing obscure there

[Dannflor]

wow I think that's the towniest post frogster has made all game

why

I was being mildly hyperbolic but I was feeling town vibes from both Shea and Frogster that page for engaging with each other and continuing to try to find more real time reasons for reads

I feel as scum in a game of this size it's very easy to just pick stuff out from the game that looks bad or good to form reads on people, but both slots were showing interest in like real time sorting which I think is a little more pro town this late in the game. and I think it is especially impressive/surprising from frogster who seemed like he had been locked into his reads for the past two day phases.

maybe I'm being too easily impressed by frogster idk

[Dannflor]

lmao right after that i talked him into a hem townread oops yea flip me

I will be honest and I feel a little sick saying this because I would hate if I just had a bad game and this was applied to me, but some of my suspicion towards you is simply burden of proficiency

you were also pretty consistently against the obscure wagon

[fireisredsir]

lmao right after that i talked him into a hem townread oops yea flip me

I will be honest and I feel a little sick saying this because I would hate if I just had a bad game and this was applied to me, but some of my suspicion towards you is simply burden of proficiency

you were also pretty consistently against the obscure wagon

no im well aware

like there's a reason why i haven't cared to ask anyone for any real cases or reasons why im scum

ik how things look and it's fair enough

[DeasVail]

The more I read gammas iso the more I don't think fireisred makes a lot of sense with gamma buddy.

Or at the very least if they are buddies gamma played extremely different towards fireisred than she did with all her other buddies.

Are there any examples of why you think this?

[fireisredsir]

i do think you are being extremely generous to frog here tho

[Dannflor]

I will try to reset and relook at Frog for you

[Thestatusquo]

The more I read gammas iso the more I don't think fireisred makes a lot of sense with gamma buddy.

Or at the very least if they are buddies gamma played extremely different towards fireisred than she did with all her other buddies.

Are there any examples of why you think this?

I already posted them.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Dannflor if scamper has been protecting you because you guys are in a hood/masons then you can hardclaim.

[Thestatusquo]

Trust: scamper, Ausuka,

Aristeia, xofelf

, ydrasse, fireisredsir,

marcistar

Middle ground: DeasVail, Firebringer,

Nero Cain

,

VP Baltar

, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Irrelephant11
Distrust:

ConManMick

, Datisi,

humaneatingmonkey

, Frogsterking, obscure

is this 4 or 5 scum?
does Gamma put at least 1 buddy on each line? If yes who is the scum from the top line?

I'm tentatively onboard with a mena flip if his content is lacking. I still think GL/Relly slot is scummy lol

I'd say probably 1-1-1 or 0-2-1 or 0-1-2

probably not all 3 on one line lol

I think this is probably true, and we know its not 0-2-1.

So with the assumption that its probably not 0-0-3 that makes frogsterking unlikely.

[Thestatusquo]

I also can't shake the feeling that town!guiltylion would be more here and actively trying to solve this game than he is. I know that activity can be decoupled from alignment and I know that there are good reasons to think he's town but it kind of feels like he got consensus town read by associative stuff and then has just been trying to stay out of the way. Maybe I'm way off base but my impression of GL is that he would use not being suspected to be much more solvy than he's being here.

[Dannflor]

I don't know, I think GL has been present enough and I definitely relate to the feeling of not wanting to get down and dirty unless you have the time to do it *right*

I also think his hang up about not understanding why Fire would do a reflective step back on his GL scum read is genuine. He's being a little stubborn about it in a way that I think scum would just let themselves be persuaded out of.

In general I just really like GL's trajectories this game.

Also, another thing that you might not put much stock in because it related to sussing you lol

but I really liked his reaction to the CSF!scum reveal.

Spoiler:

didn't somebody forget at some point that HEM had claimed a confirmable vig shot

I wonder if I can go find that again

gah does anyone remember this or am I just making it up? I feel like somebody at some point threw shade at CSF or had her in their scumreads, and then someone else was like "uhhh did you forget her claim" and then it was dropped and I want to find that and reread it in light of potential scum!CSF, but I don't remember who it was or when it happened and have no idea how to trawl through the thread to find it, especially since my memory of it is so vague

does anybody remember the thing I'm talking about

p-edit: oh maybe it was that

no I don't think it was either of these posts that I'm thinking of, but it's possible I'm just inventing a false memory of something that didn't happen

AH YES THAT WAS IT!

thank you Dann

anyways, I dunno I don't want overreact and put too much stock into it but I think on the whole scum is more likely to forget a buddy's fakeclaim like that and default to shading the slot (especially given the replace out) vs town who would basically bank HEM as town and then remember why they did that

none of this feels like something scum would come up with. I don't really think scum would think about this. OR, if scum did remember this and wanted to use it to sus someone, I think they'd just be able to go pull it up because they recognized it in the moment and it stuck out to them. like this sort of very loose memory connection seems very hard to fake as scum

[Thestatusquo]

I feel like the finding my suspicious due to the CSF was garbage personally.

[fireisredsir]

Subject: Open 831: Hanahaki Disease [game over!]

redtea/T3/Pooky
that's the team right there.

3 scum game, teammates were t3 and pooky

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I could see something like italiano/Itb/cookie

3 scum game, teammates were italiano and itb



prism said he put all his scum partners in his scum pile over like a period of 6 or 7 maf games, i didn't see anything to that level, or it happening in a large, but i might have missed some stuff

i don't think it's at all impossible that he would suspect 3 partners tho