Warrior Cats Mafia: ShadowClan PT

[Dannflor]

I was thinking that we might be able to use it as an anonymous way of broadcasting the collective thoughts of the shadowclan without outing their members/their sources.

it sort of sounds like you already know how you might be able to get the warrior's ceremony? the role doesn't tell you how?

[Dannflor]

ah i see

[Dannflor]

datisi you don't have any mention of a warrior's cermeony?

[Datisi]

i plead the 5th

[mastina]

why are you so sure our vibing at the beginning is town-indicative? personally i like both catboi and dannflor

Because that's not a vibe you can have as scum.

I don't really know how to describe how it isn't. It's like. It's like the "town jam session". It's something that carries an energy scum can't replicate. A vibe that scum can't create.

Scum like to think that they can.
And town players like to be stupid and think that scum can.

But scum can't actually pull it off.

Not

this

vibe.

It's not a thing that is "incredibly unlikely to be scum, but theoretically possible for a player skilled enough".
I mean it's literally impossible for scum to do. The energy, the vibe, the wording, the aura, the tone, the everything.
Scum emotions don't match town emotions and scum can't fake emotions that match the vibes shown.

I can't really find the words for it, so I know this isn't an adequate explanation.
But I mean it; I'm dead serious. There's absolutely ZERO way for any of you three to be scum. You just can't be. Not like that, not with your entrances, not with your play.

I realize it is easier to manipulate players in PTs than in the game thread.
I realize that you can be excited to play with players regardless of your alignment.
I realize that you can fake things as scum.

But the exact combo required isn't possible for scum.

It just isn't.

The real-time vibes are also an important factor.
Scum can have time to fabricate a thought if given time.

But you three interacted in real time over an incredibly short timeframe all posting multiple times during that time and showing the vibe.

Scum need time to mask their nature as being scum, but town can be around with their only limitations being reading and typing speed; you three were vibing in a way and with consistency that only town can. It just all adds up to be unfakeable as scum. Individual elements are. The whole cannot be.

[mastina]

how would you expect us to act differently if we were scum

I wouldn't expect you to act differently;
I would expect you to act the same way you did, but fail to do so in the town way.

You acting the way you did is not in of itself alignment indicative.

It's the execution of having acted that way which makes it town.

[mastina]

I was thinking that we might be able to use it as an anonymous way of broadcasting the collective thoughts of the shadowclan without outing their members/their sources.

it sort of sounds like you already know how you might be able to get the warrior's ceremony? the role doesn't tell you how?

Nope! It doesn't say.

[Dannflor]

mkay so the reason I and the other leaders can technically post in our leader gathering PT but not talk until night fall is because during the day we vote for someone to undergo the warrior's ceremony

[Dannflor]

based off this apparently the warrior's ceremony only actually does anything for certain people

[Datisi]

oooooh

okay i want to be warriorously ceremonized for Reasons

[Datisi]

doesn't have to be d1 it's fine haha but at Some Point :3

[Datisi]

also i think mastina is town

please yell at me if i'm getting that wrong

[mastina]

oooooh
okay i want to be warriorously ceremonized for Reasons

Datisi is definitely a better choice than me tbh.

My role is only situationally useful, so whatever Datisi is, is basically guaranteed to be better.

[mastina]

VOTE: Dannflor

I am a cat.

Town.

VOTE: catboi

VOTE: Something_Smart

Town?

For the record:
Marashu is partly from seeing the things in this PT.
Bell, ditto, but also from his first page I think this is his towngame; from what I gather, he's posting a lot and that's promising for him being town. I'll keep an eye on it as I catch up but for now, definitely promising enough to be town.

fire, I don't think this is his scumplay. Y'all have seen fire's scumplay recently, and I think that this is not even remotely the same; this fire feels far more natural and less forced.

Frozen Angel is a 50-50 where she is either 100% town or 100% scum, and I

think

this is the 50% where she is 100% town. (Basically, I'm fairly certain that FA has a night/day difference between her towngame and her scumgame; I

think

this is the day/town half.)

[mastina]

VOTE: bell
Choo choo!

Town?

oh no i missed the fun part

Cephrir.

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I know nothing about Warrior cats whatsoever. Sup.

Scum?

PenguinPower is hard to read but loosely/vaguely I like what I'm seeing.

Cephrir is Cephrir, I'm pretty sure I always scumread Ceph regardless of his alignment and can say that his entrance was no exception to this--but I don't think he's actually scum? He looks like scum but I don't think he is scum but I'm not sure so he's effectively in null.

Titus doesn't look like town so far and setup spec wise does fit as scum.

Norwee, I know I could be wrong since every time I claimed to be able to soulread Norwee I was scum, but I would expect to be able to townread Norwee because the soulread is still mostly a true thing and yet--I'm not instatownreading Norwee, which is huge alarm bells.

[mastina]

BE A HERO, LEARN FIRE PREVENTION
VOTE: NORWEGIANBOY
OUR LEADER (CHARLOUX) SEEMS ALIGNED WITH STARCLAN BECAUSE OF THEIR POSTS IN OUR CLAN PT

Town.

This one I'm not as sure about but the vote on Norwee looks town to me and the defense of Charloux looks town to me.

[mastina]

And I don't think confirming role + alignment rules out clan confusion; it's usually easy to tell alignment from coloring + lack of partners/obvious scum info, even if you don't fully understand the factions or the wincon.

It may be obvious from the colouring + lack of partners that your role pm is one belonging to the uninformed majority, but if you were in possession of such, you would also have (and I assume it's acceptable to quote directly now it is given publicly) the wincon given to starclan -

"You and all other members of the protectors of StarClan win when all Dark Forest cats have been eliminated."

- which is patently clear on the issue bell expressed confusion about.

That's my hypothesis - that scum!bell was trying to replicate that selfmeta of 'derping about set up early game and asking the most basic questions that are usually also “town slippy”' without access to a critical piece of information - how the wincon was presented to starclan; and thus failing to realise there was zero, none, nada ambiguity there to 'town slip' over. I don't buy the post-sample explanation that starclan!bell thought "dark forest cats" was some larger descriptor for two or more scum clans without also believing that starclan was some larger descriptor for the town clans, and thus windclan, thunderclan, etc to be pure; and that's never going to pass review. It's nonsensical.

I can easily see town!SS realising this situation has only arisen because of the lack of a publicly posted sample PM, and thus suffer some sort of second-hand guilt on behalf of the dark forest for having a member outed so early over what is arguably a mod mistake, but why defend him now?

Town?

Obviously, if I wasn't having trouble locking down an alignment for Val I'd have already have given a read. Val is a tough read for me, but this post in particular looks generically town. It

could

come from scum, but the thought process looks like town to me.

[mastina]

CHANGE MISTYX FROM SUS TO TRUSTWORTHY

Hard to say for sure but I think I vibe with that read.

Mistyx hasn't done anything town yet in my readthrough reads-wise, but content-wise Mistyx still loosely feels town to me.

[Datisi]

LOCKTOWN:
{catboi, Datisi, Dannflor}

very subtle, mastina

[Something_Smart]

Hi I am a mason.

Just because you're in a hood with 4 wonderful townies does not make you a mason.

[Something_Smart]

are you unhappy with the results of your traditional play

Also Datisi's cafe is over now and I can say yeeeaaahhh it didn't work so great there.

[Datisi]

also, i was not kidding earlier, titus's vote on bell gave me major bus vibes

but i've kinda started thinking bell is townie since, so /shrug

something to look at if he start getting less townie ig

[Something_Smart]

I was thinking that we might be able to use it as an anonymous way of broadcasting the collective thoughts of the shadowclan without outing their members/their sources.

Even if there's no scum in this hood, it's highly likely scum can narrow down the members off knowing the other 3 hoods + Titus. So outing the members isn't a big concern, and outing the sources probably isn't a huge concern either because I doubt everyone will just be inclined to trust your locktown reads without making their own evaluation.

I guess this answers my other question though, which was why you didn't explain your locktown reads in the main thread.

[Something_Smart]

I wish what happened in my hood stayed in my hood...
So 4 clans, 5 scum. My current theory is that scum are in 3 clans, and preventing them from knowing who the strays are is the key to this game.
That means no saying who the clan members are and no saying who the leaders are.

How do you know there are multiple strays?

It's a theory based on Titus claim, the number of people in my pt and the details of my role.
3 more people have yet to post, and we can't confirm that everybody who posted is a member of a clan.

Noting this for later. I think it makes them town?

[Something_Smart]

Oh Charloux is a leader.