In post 193, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: Flavia
In post 9, Flavia wrote: In post 7, Star Power wrote:Hello everyone! I am here, ready to be a shining light against the delegation!
VOTE: DeasVail
VOTE: Star Power
I hate shining lights. Always being deceptive.
Shading a slot which seems likely to become unpopular. Projection.
In post 13, Flavia wrote: In post 12, DeasVail wrote:Hello! To make up for all the votes in Frog’s post, I will not vote.
Letting him take over all the votes? Opposition politician role?
A useless question in an effort to appear solvey. Low key pocketing vibes toward Dease.
In post 40, Flavia wrote: In post 37, The Bombay wrote:
I am kind of thinking that StarPower appearing to not know that there is a 3rd party makes them more likely to be town.
Seriously doubt that the actual 3rd party would not be too self-conscious to frame it that way, so imo town>scum>3rd party
But mafia can't collaborate with the 3rd party in this game. Everybody losses. So, makes sense mafia would be as interested in this 3rd party as the town. Or not that interested yet as the game just started.
Insight into Flavia's point of view: they think a lot about scum win con and not much else.
In post 57, Flavia wrote: In post 55, Passenger wrote: In post 50, Bell wrote: In post 49, DeasVail wrote:I'm trying to make posts made so far AI in my head, but I'm not really coming up with much.
Must be scum out of ideas.
This is also what I thought. It seems like DeasVail is playing from the point of view of someone who is looking over posts with a checklist of tells to appear useful, rather than engaging in actual solving.
VOTE: DeasVail
Maybe but why them specifically over hmm...basically everyone else, excluding Bombay and maybe Bell. Rest of us weren't exactly overtly solving stuff.
PS: I'm taking frogsterking's readings on page 1 as a joke, not them being serious
Low key pocketing vibes toward Dease, pointlessly listing players in the game (seemingly...), TMI into the gamestate.
As for their comment about me:
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B1.0.29
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B1.0.29
Two scumtells in one. Discrediting a player who is aggressively solving as well as discrediting an argument against them by claiming it to be a joke. Empirically I can also say that no Town has ever reacted to me by assuming that I'm "joking" and on more than one occasion scum have pretended to interpret me to be "joking." Trolling, bizarre, weird, off-color, scum, "toxic" etc. are all responses I've recieved from Town, "joking" is not one of them. I can't provide direct evidence at this time as per site rules so you will have to take my word for it that to claim my first post was a joke is an example of an unnatural thought process which is likely to come from scum.
In post 103, Flavia wrote: In post 44, The Bombay wrote:
This feels like you misunderstood. My point was that the mafia would be
more
cognizant of the existence of the 3rd party, while StarPower's post reads like someone who was not thinking about the existence of a 3rd party.
Therefore, town being the most likely alignment to make such a post.
Not the basis for a strong read, but as far as page 1 posts go, it is nice to have an inkling on someone
~Luke
OK, I see where you come from.
In post 59, Passenger wrote:
The difference between DeasVail and the people who have been posting but not DeasVail is two things.
1. The fact that DeasVail posted about his inability to solve. This shows that DeasVail is scum concerned whether people believe he is solving or not. Statistically this has proven to be a weak but >rand tell.
2. The content of his post. He says that he’s trying to make posts AI in his head, but can’t. Scum when out of ideas tries to do exactly that: look at posts and see if they follow a list of common tells, rather than organically notice a post and realize that it follows a tell, which town does. I suppose the gist of what I’m saying is that DeasVail is scum trying to find reads by creating thought processes, meanwhile town finds reads not by creating thought processes but by simply having those thought processes.
OK, did post 74 change your read?
Ah, psychoanalysis...not my favorite but what can you do?
Low key pocketing vibes toward Bombay as well as Passenger and more shading the scary Resident who is trying to solve the game. Very useless question directed toward Passenger about 74, remember "a question a day keeps the tracker away."
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... 8.2B0.5.29
If you don't believe me, keep reading this post and tell me how much you think Flavia thought about the answer to their question about 74.
In post 109, Flavia wrote:Well, might seem so but ignoring isn't the best word to use. Reserving judgement till I can come to a conclusion.
You think so? Thing is Bell made one statement about DeasVail being scum out of ideas. Passenger asks a question about what means to make AI posts in their head. Next post, votes expanding on Bell's reasoning. I'm actually interested how things...change. If they do.
See no reason to lie about you liking psychoanalysis. I mean, lots of people do. Just not my liking...all those associations. Never believed in them
Taking a reserved and cautious approach is a scum tell for most players. Quibbling over semantics is scummy. Summarizing what happened in the game (and reminding us that there are other players in the game by listing their names again) without any attempt to parse for alignment information is scummy. The bit at the end about psychoanalysis is pointless jabber which seems pockety toward anyone willing to listen.
In post 115, Flavia wrote:On page 5? Sorry, I'm not clairvoyant, mafia or really a good player. You'll get what I can think of now:
The Bombay: liked post 44, though I can really say I agree with that logics. Seems solvey. Maybe, maybe town.
Oh, I think the whole vote stuff about that vote is just playing Freud. Starting a random wagon might not be very efficient but it seems as much as I've read on this site to be a very used tactic.
Kokabiel: post 47- hmm, maybe they believe they've seen something but the way I see "a cigar is just a cigar". Don't get what scum-DeasVale would get from asking to join a vote that as far as I can tell is pretty much random. Basically, they either are trying to solve but I am not getting the logic or trying to find a reason to vote someone. Not sure yet.
Andresvmp- Post 94 has some logic. Granted, pretty non-committed but it was was page 3 or 4.
Furtiveglance- person who claimed miller. Suppose for the moment we can't disbelieve this claim.
DeasVail- so, I guess he tries to find town. Which is logical. No idea why you'd have a list so early. You might be contagious.
You- post 11. Reason I took it as a joke is that well, IMHO, anyone who can say who is mafia/town based on 1 post is either mafia or should work for FBI. Post 66- you really think two experienced mafia players couldn't make that interaction? Other than intuition why it couldn't be SvS? Post 87 is logical question, though didn't see Johnny post any reason to be suspicious of DeasVail? rest is mostly you knowing the whole mafia team is stuff and being overly assertive.
Passenger- told you why I found some posts...worrying.
The rest are the rest. No real idea.
My alleged "psychoanalysis" indicates Flavia is the type of player who doesn't feel confident in faking SvS interactions or making up reads on scum buddies. I think almost all of the above are Town, if not all. I also don't think Flavia has interacted with their partners very much if at all. My "pychoanalysis" extends deeper however; Flavia
feels isolated
and Flavia
is the most active groupscum.
Also, if you want to know what a Town response looks like, try this:
or sometimes this:
In post 336, Rad wrote:
Sure. I'm leaning town on a few people. Off The Hook. PenguinPower. Pooky. Nothing specific about them, just some early vibes that I don't weigh too heavily but they are there.
Lean scum on The toad. I think
156 is reading too deeply into my question. I could only come up with 2 good explanations as noted in
167, and I'm leaning towards the scum read.
No other real reads atm. I think Lukewarm has given enough good content to come to a reasonable early read, which I might go do now. Most people are still joking around so it's hard to tell what's what yet. Also this is such a huge game I don't even know how to approach it. I think the wagon on Ceph was interesting but not sure what I can get out of it yet.
I'd stake my life on the fact that #115 from Flavia is horseshit which was improvised on the spot.
"A question a day keeps the tracker away." Remember to continue reading for Flavia's follow up to their questions in
103 and
133.
In post 160, Flavia wrote: In post 135, Passenger wrote: This doesn’t make sense, because Marci’s vote was clearly RVS. From this incorrect premise Kokabiel comes to the logical conclusion that Frogster is town and DeasVail is scum. Her assumption that Marci is scum for her naked vote is an NAI overreaction.
Do you agree with that logic or are you saying is making sense based on Kokabiel logic. Cuz I'm not seeing it.
Also, the miller claim. Never played with one. But from what I've read, it's basically a claim that's usually treated as "consider it true for the moment cuz we can't really disprove it". That's why I don't see much in Bell's reaction- said that it could be totally true, but could come from either town or mafia who played with a miller.
"A question a day keeps the tracker away." Now we have a question in
160 to stay mindful for the follow up as well. Here they go bringing up Bell again. Why? Why do they keep reminding us Bell exists in the game? Do they think his posts can be viewed as scummy and they're hoping we will all suddenly notice and miselim him?
In post 162, Flavia wrote: In post 155, Frogsterking wrote:If partner equity is going to become a theme, I'd like to propose Passenger has partner equity with N.Y.M and Flavia. When players are hyper accurate (like I
sometimes
am on D1) it can force scum to make scumtells they wouldn't ordinarily make (like chainsawing.) I can link to you at least one completed game where scum were forced to react this way to me.
135 looks... unnatural to me? It pings me in a way Passenger's posting hasn't done yet. I feel there can be an element of projection in it where Passenger accuses me of approaching other slots in bad faith while they themselves manufacture a case by misrepresenting my motivations.
I'll admit Koko was a part of my team solve I mentioned earlier, but now with more information (from their wagon piling on) I feel their reaction to pressure is more indicative of a Resident who is wrongly accused.
Also yes I may as well out my team solve is N.Y.M/Flavia/Passenger, it was previously N.Y.M/Flavia/Koko.
My opinion is that there is an element of Price's Law at play, where Flavia and N.Y.M are abandoning thread control and Passenger feels motivated to take up the reigns as a more active scum poster.
I'll wait a little bit longer before I get into my ideas about hunting for the Dictator.
If it becomes a theme- maybe I should figure it out what this partner equity is.
And you've figured it out I'm mafia all the while back. Your confidence is impressive...though very wrong. But I'm really curious...how did NYM got into that team. And when did we abandon threat control when I posted very little and NYM posted- exactly once.
Low key pocketing vibes toward me, mistaking me for a mere frog who will flip their read because I got a little attention (I am not a frog, I am both a frogster and a king.) Playing dumb pretending not to understand the concept partner equity refers to even though it's immediately obvious that it refers to associative tells is an example of a unnatural thought process which is more likely from scum.
I have some empirical evidence
162 is more likely to come from scum which I can share as per site rules but I am getting burnt out so I will save the rest of my analysis of this post, the one below and my conclusion for another time.
In post 169, Flavia wrote:
That part might be true. I try to talk more.
Maybe, but it was an observation related to my question to furtive.
Current discussion? Well, I am here: Kokabiel is convinced asking for votes on them is scum. Plus the whole inviting vs invited being a sign of town/mafia. Nope, don't agree with this logic but I don't think mafia would be so willing to put it all on that hill.
Frog- they made it clear they scumread me from the beginning. I was sincerely curious how they came to the conclusion the team is me/Passenger and the person who posted once.
Finally reasons.
1) Yes, I totally knew the person posting once will become an unpopular slot. Based on your later associations, mafia -me knew this without even being able to talk to them (cuz you said we are not partners). I am a master strategist.
2) Trust me, no one would think me saying "letting him take over all the votes" is solvey. Cuz it was an obvious joke. An d about pocketing- by that standard, everybody was pocketing people at the start of the game.
3) Nah, I've just read the rules. And cuz I've seen something pointing out the whole mafia being more aware than town about a 3rd player, I've pointed out mafia would be just as interested cuz they can't win with the 3rd party. Just logic.
4) I was actually questioning someone over a read about Deus. Yeah, I wasn't sold on their reasons they are mafia. This is pocketing to you?
Your reads on page one: star is lamist but more likely town, town lean Flavia, Kokabiel, Johnny and Bell (with scumreading me somewhat). And kill some hydras. Yeah, I took them as a joke. Hell, even as mafia I'd took them as a joke. Just saying.
5) Yeah, the whole pocketing. Also, let me rewrite this: Bell made a comment about Deas being out of ideas-Passenger asks to explain- then votes without waiting for an answer basically saying "I agree with you". 74 was me trying to see if they are in interested in the answer or just wanting a reason to vote based on someone else's post. But they did.
6) Yeah,I am more reserved. That's true. Can't do much about this. Also, really, how on earth is my semi-joke about psychoanalysis pockety. What, mafia me expected people to just be so impressed about mentioning psychoanalysis they'd be like "yeah, town".
7) Fugitive put a naked vote. Actually, yes, I wanted to see if it's random or not.
8) Yeah, it's true. I don't see the logic. Wonder if it's something I missed. But Koko seems to really believe it and I don't see why they'd insist that much on it as mafia.
9) I actually wasn't playing dumb. I even googled it: came with some results about partner's share in business. You are fixated on pocketing. No, I am telling the truth. You come across as very confident but you are wrong.
Also, don't spend your time making teams based on me being mafia. PS: if you are town here, lets make a deal: I'm not mafia or 3rd party, next game you brag half as much about reads. Deal?
