House of the Dragon - Game Over!

[Charloux]

That’s why I’m voting a less vocal player as my pick.

Someone who may not be a loud voice but someone who you can say “this is probably town” on.
Even though my read on that player is completely Gut I trust it.

If Junko is King, even if wolf, they don’t look like a player that can push a whole lot from what I have seen, there is allot more vocal players that if wolf are more dangerous.

@JunkoChan

Put me on Council and Town Auto Wins.


Me want ability, me take down wolves with that ability.

I don't trust this one bit. Not wanting a vocal leader while claiming you can carry is sus. You also haven't caught up at the timing of this post meaning you can't even contribute to the small council debate. And based on your ISO so far your alignment is just a question mark. Not looking good there professor.

I am really struggling to believe that the ProfessorDrapion that I played with in Lost doesn't come into this game declaring that he should be made king because he is secretly the best mafia hunter to ever play on this site, and the wolves would cower in fear so much they might just give up were he to ascend the throne.

Yet Drap has not once said he should be king. No self vote. And instead half this game his vote was on Enchant lol

Yeah cause I haven’t been paying much attention to this game and have been meming lol.

havent been paying attention, yet happen to be here the exact second luke mentions you? lol ok

So you think they planned this in the scum chat and said "Let's post this at Xh and Ymin"?

Andante VS Professor: Andante's logic is flawed, "LMAOOOO i am DEAD" comment, refusing to enter dialogue, being awake when he clearly said good night means he is lurking. These are all scum tells IMO.

Drunk Titus asking question to Rhae even though she can't answer.

Lol who is ignoring who Andres? I asked for your contribution and got crickets.

Also not sure how I feel about sharing a wagon with Rhea but no wagon is pure and I want DRAMA.

You’re Scum. I’m not sure I care about interacting with you.

I don't know at what point people determine someone is so scummy they don't need to respond to them so i can't tell what alignment Andre is based on this. Would like an explanation on Titus read, but it's probably in your ISO so ignore this comment in that case.

I'm cool with either based on my limited engagement.

VOTE: Junko

For the drama.

I don't think scum titus makes this post andres

There is a small line between chaotic town and scum using chaos to push for stuff that would normally be seen as sus. Tread carefully

This is up to page 56, need to do some work then come back when i finish that. I don't know how to read and respond faster than this, some people can do 5X the work i did using the same amount of time so i'm doing something fundamentally wrong. The game slowed down so i can keep pace unless i slack off.

[JunkoChan]

I'm close to my post limit and I think I might need them if my wagon goes through (I'm still up for it) but wouldn't mind TSQ

So I'll try to say everything that's on my mind to this point

I think there's like a 5% chance mastina is right about firebringer and could be something for later if firebringer flips red but I wouldn't bet the game on it because I have read Firebringer as town this entire game

mastina's walls gave me a headache yesterday so I re-read them today and I find this list weird:

Spoiler:

LOCKTOWN:
{Rhaenyra, Andresvmb, Andante}
{Lukewarm}

TOWN:
{UNOwen}
{Datisi}
{Dwlee99, Enchant, Firebringer, Charloux}
{PenguinPower} (almost put on same line as TSQ, but is slightly higher)
{Thestatusquo} (almost placed in maybe-town but am okay with this)

MAYBE TOWN:
{ProfessorDrapion} (might deserve to be up?)

PLACING:
{Lady LambdaDelta} (lean town right now)

???
{Junkochan}

{Titus}

LEAN SCUM:
{Bellaphant}

SCUM:
{VP Baltar}
{GuiltyLion, Dannflor}

this was posted right after her making these huge posts about firebringer scum slipping so..

why is firebringer town? and this goes in hand with "Baltar sliping" and he is down there in scum

why is Drapion town? if he is the actual initial reason why my wagon is even a thing

why am I ??? ? f the above are town, literally the 2 first votes on my wagon

I'm having this feeling that she is forcing everything to fit her narrative, because I disagree with quite a lot of her view on the game and that's really weird because I'm under the impression that she is a competent player(?) (I know some people are going to say, ah that's normal mastina stuff and that's precisely why is so dangerous if she is scum, she can get away with spitting nonsense, much like Andante for example)

I already had this hot take, but I still SR mastina.

anyway enough about mastina.

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Proffesordrapion the vote that triggered the wagon on me.

see this is a weird position, becuase if someone votes for me I know they shouldn't have bad intentions and I still feel that way so what are the possibilities?

scum!drapion feels like he can manipulate me and get rid of me by pocketing me

town!drapion sees me as non-treat if I'm scum and feels like he can overthrow me if needed

but here's the thing, I know I'm town, if the wagon died there I would be EXTREMELLY SUSPICIOUS of Drapion


but it didn't, so unless you are telling me Enchant, Penguin, Titus and Unowen have 2-4 mafia in them jumping in to take over the council this doesn't make sense (I'm excluding Rhae because I somehow convinced them to join)

that would be such a risky move, such an obvious move that probably doesn't come from scum


Dewlee Bellaphant Titus

I'm having issues with these 3 I feel like they have done nothing, but I haven't played with them before so if someone can tell me if this is how they usually play I would be grateful

Penguinpower

feels disconnected from the game but he joined in very late, so I think it's NAI

I think that's the news for now

my reads haven't changed much

[Datisi]

ok i kind of skimmed. kinda think mastina is town and that she absolutely shouldn't be able to touch the council with a 10 foot pole. still prefer baltar for king, but i am very much not against shea being king, so.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I will give power roles to people who I think are town and would use them well.

That’s me!

[ProfessorDrapion]

I’m laughing on Charloux post there.

Like lol.

I already explained why having a vocal leader could strategically be bad if they are wolf.
And I also said I don’t want to be the king here so him trying to use that as a way to discredit me is lol.
I have a feeling this could be another wolf TMIing Junko town.

“Not looking good there professor” that’s a sentence wolves usually say.

Then he calls Andate and Me wolves together like Andate called me and Luke wolves together.


Well I can tell you one thing.
Andate, Charloux, VP and Luke contain at minimum 2 wolves.
Don’t put any of the 4 into the council.

[ProfessorDrapion]

I have an 88% accuracy rate btw so there is a damn good chance I’m right on this.

And usually when I do get wrong I eventually get there on the accuracy scale to make it 100%.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Flavor

Battle of Gulltown

After being crowned at the mouth of the Blackwater Rush, King Aegon sent his fleet commanded by Daemon Velaryon to take Gulltown, the city of the Vale of Arryn. Daemon was accompanied by Aegon's sister, Visenya Targaryen.

The Arryns hastily assembled a fleet to meet the Targaryens. Their fleet was augmented by a dozen Braavosi warships.

The Targaryen and Arryn fleets met in the waters off Gulltown. The Arryns were able to destroy the Targaryen fleet and Daemon was killed. Visenya's dragon, Vhagar, burned the Arryn fleet in response. The battle was a tactical draw since both fleets were destroyed, but a strategic defeat for the Targaryens since they were unable to take Gulltown.

Coronation Vote - Day One

With twenty one players alive - it requires eleven votes to make a decision. Plurality rules will apply at the deadline.

Thestatusquo [7]:

Bellaphant, Dannflor, GuiltyLion, Junkochan, Unowen, VP Baltar, Andresvmb

VP Baltar [4]:

Datisi, Lukewarm, Charloux, Titus

Junkochan [4]:

Firebringer, ProfessorDrapion, Enchant, PenguinPower,

Andante [3]:

mastina, Rhaenyra, Andante,

GuiltyLion [2]:

thestatusquo, Dwlee99,

Lady Lambdadelta [1]:

Lady Lambdadelta

not voting [0]:

Deadline:

(expired on 2022-11-19 23:48:35)

mod note

datisi - vla wed/thurs always
I do everything by hand so please pm me if I miss something.

[Datisi]

i think drapion's approach to the game is kinda townie but i think he also should not be within the 10 foot radius of the council

[VP Baltar]

i think drapion's approach to the game is kinda townie but i think he also should not be within the 10 foot radius of the council

hit me with your abbreviated scum list again: luke, andres, ??, ??, ??

[Enchant]

Datisi is scum

[Datisi]

i think drapion's approach to the game is kinda townie but i think he also should not be within the 10 foot radius of the council

hit me with your abbreviated scum list again: luke, andres, ??, ??, ??

luke, dwlee, less certain on charloux and bellaphant

and then a fun meme choice in andres/enchant/penguin

(i am not actually as certain on andres since it feels like everyone thinks i'm wrong so i'm gonna not try to kill him for the time being and hope that i get enlightened later)

[VP Baltar]

i think drapion's approach to the game is kinda townie but i think he also should not be within the 10 foot radius of the council

hit me with your abbreviated scum list again: luke, andres, ??, ??, ??

luke, dwlee, less certain on charloux and bellaphant

and then a fun meme choice in andres/enchant/penguin

(i am not actually as certain on andres since it feels like everyone thinks i'm wrong so i'm gonna not try to kill him for the time being and hope that i get enlightened later)

So you basically think the scum are getting rolled hard here and essentially have no influence? Seems a little optimistic.

@enchant - You think both datisi and I are scum now. Seems improbable. Why should I read you as town here when you're doing less than usual (surprising!) and your reads seem extremely fabricated?

[Lukewarm]

Basically none of Mastina's takes make a lick of sense to me, but I am also not sure that that is scum indicative for her. The way that she is real time engaging to defend her position actually looks to me more like she truly believes it, even if it doesn't make any sense.

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@Datisi

Mainly the instant reaction from me explaining why I did not like something" straight to

k luke is scum

Like, that is the literal next post after I said it, and it came without actually engaging with anything I said or considering if I could just be wrong town, rang to me like I was actually right.

But the more I am running face first into person after person deciding that everything I am thinking about this game is so scummy, I am actually less sure that that was it now, because too many people are having that response to me, so there are definitely townies out there having that reaction to me.

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But also, I am happier calling Baltar town for pointing people who were around in KTaNE back to that game. Existing in this game feels a bit like existing in that game did. Both because it was *a large game that I joined and started at a time where I did not have the mental capacity for a large game* and also the way it felt like I was being reacted to.

Catboi in particular was scum reading me on the basis that my thoughts could not be real thoughts, which is how this game has felt repeatedly.

My gut reaction to Datisi's response was to think he was scum wanting to keep calling me scum because he brushed it off. But just now, I went back and looked at my ISO from that game, and realized that in that game, after Catboi started making that argument, I actually repped out instead of getting into it with him. So actually, from the PoV of my iso, maybe it is not as similar as it feels from the PoV of the drivers seat

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Looking back at KTaNE also makes me feel like I need to take a reset in this game, because my final reads list before I repped out had me with the two loudest people calling me scum as my strongest scum reads (both were town), and taking stock, I have kind of been heading in that direction this game too.

[Datisi]

well i just walked out of a game where scum was getting rolled hard and had no influence, sooo...

i mean i would not be surprised if i'm wrong. i'm basically expecting to be wrong on some of those. but i don't think i *can* catch the scum outside of that while it's day 1 and nothing has happened yet. so.

if you have a scumcase on someone who's loud and influential and widely townread, i am listening; but i don't

pedit: @baltar

[Lukewarm]

Oh, and I hated 1600 from Charloux

[JunkoChan]

I find this parallel funny and interesting

Datisi: scum is getting rolled hard, mastina is town

mastina: town is getting rolled hard, datisi is town

[Enchant]

i think drapion's approach to the game is kinda townie but i think he also should not be within the 10 foot radius of the council

hit me with your abbreviated scum list again: luke, andres, ??, ??, ??

luke, dwlee, less certain on charloux and bellaphant

and then a fun meme choice in andres/enchant/penguin

(i am not actually as certain on andres since it feels like everyone thinks i'm wrong so i'm gonna not try to kill him for the time being and hope that i get enlightened later)

So you basically think the scum are getting rolled hard here and essentially have no influence? Seems a little optimistic.

@enchant - You think both datisi and I are scum now. Seems improbable. Why should I read you as town here when you're doing less than usual (surprising!) and your reads seem extremely fabricated?

I will call everyone who appeal for not competency.

[VP Baltar]

if you have a scumcase on someone who's loud and influential and widely townread, i am listening; but i don't

I think I'm back to feeling dann is scum. I don't have some massive case, but the way he disappeared when the king talk became more dynamic and chaotic screams scum unsure of what to do.

I'm also not sure if mastina is delusional town or refuge in audacity scum.

Enchant is probably scum here, so I agree on that. Less sure on the rest, but I am constantly worrying there is a scum in (andres, datisi, GL) and I'm the targeting of pocketing.

Pedit - Enchant, do you really think I'm calling for incompetence? Or that I, myself, am incompetent?

[VP Baltar]

Also, since a few people are getting limited on posts now, myself included, I think it is a good idea for us to move forward with TSQ king asap. If someone is opposed to this, they should make a clear case for someone better. If you're not opposed, vote Shea and let's get to voting scum out. I think we have pretty thoroughly explored the avenues in the king discussion at this point.

[Enchant]

People who toss like 3-5 people who they townread for dumb reason are either suck at game or scum.

I presume no one suck, before proven opposite.

[Datisi]

if you have a scumcase on someone who's loud and influential and widely townread, i am listening; but i don't

I think I'm back to feeling dann is scum. I don't have some massive case, but the way he disappeared when the king talk became more dynamic and chaotic screams scum unsure of what to do.

I'm also not sure if mastina is delusional town or refuge in audacity scum.

Enchant is probably scum here, so I agree on that. Less sure on the rest, but I am constantly worrying there is a scum in (andres, datisi, GL) and I'm the targeting of pocketing.

mmm. i did notice dannflor kind of fell off in posting, but i'm not sure if it's like, scum-indicative i guess? mostly because i feel like both you and shea are town, and i also had a townlean on junko, so it doesn't really seem like a situation where scum would get frozen, if that makes sense? though that's assuming i'm right on all three of you, and maybe that shouldn't be a given... and i did like a lot of his recent thoughts, more notably the paranoia on gl and the poking towards me about andante/gl he did, it didn't feel opportunistic in any direction

mastina i'm betting on delusional town at the moment. it's like... i guess i don't *know* how capable of scum she is currently, but i remember a few people having an easy read on her and saying she's not that present/aggressive as scum, and she herself saying she's not capable of playing scum that well recently? but this is something i should probably check myself and it is not a priority at the moment

you know my thoughts on that group of 3, lol. i guess let me know if there's anything i can do to ~ease your paranoia~ <3

[Dwlee99]

I like the consistency from enchant there

[Thestatusquo]

VOTE: me

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: tsq