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Hi!

VOTE: Aisa

I feel like you know something I don't. Where are the train stations in Antarctica?

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I feel like you know something I don't. Where are the train stations in Antarctica?

I like your name.
I think the point is there isn't

Thanks! And yeah it's a common belief that there are no train stations in Antarctica but I think that's just what Aisa wants us to believe.

Hi!

VOTE: Aisa

I feel like you know something I don't. Where are the train stations in Antarctica?

I know what I had for dinner.

Who are you?

Haha, how do you expect me to answer this question?

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I wonder what that means?

What indeed! Maybe you'd like to tell me?

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And yeah it's a common belief that there are no train stations in Antarctica but I think that's just what Aisa wants us to believe.

Are you saying there's some sort of conspiracy theory?

Absolutely. Trust no one.

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I'd say I have a fair amount of experience with mafia!

VOTE: innocentvillager

I have consulted my fortunes and IV is scum this game. It's in the stars. I'm a gemini, by the way.

Pedit: Putting guns to people's heads is fun! I guess in this game it would have to be, like, a special gun which turns people into trees. I don't know if science has progressed to that point yet.

Also, I'm a ydrasse alt.

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not important to the game, just worldbuilding with Moon

And yeah it's a common belief that there are no train stations in Antarctica but I think that's just what Aisa wants us to believe.

Are you saying there's some sort of conspiracy theory?

Absolutely. Trust no one.

I'm thinking Antarctica is some sort of industrial wasteland. that's why it seems so empty and barren but in actual fact there are many many train stations hidden under the ice.
Mayhaps it used to be on the equator but some catastrophy hit and resulted in and earth being rotated 90 degrees on its axis so now it's at the pole. and Aisa is secretly a time travelling being and knows all this.

I like this! I think that it makes more sense if instread of a catastrophe happening, the civilisation that reached industrial technology was just super ancient. So it can be explained that Antarctica used to be habitable, and a civilisation had emerged there that utilised rail travel, but got wiped out, like what happened to the civilisation in the Indus Valley.

Aisa would have to be a time traveller yeah. Maybe they were just on the verge of time travel technology and Aisa was a scientist researching it who escaped disaster by fleeing into today's world.

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126 isn't even a level 0 read it's just like actual iioa lol

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Doesn't seem like much has happened since I was here.

I think Una is wrong about Nona - her posts seem fine and I don't see the iioa at all. I think I would call both una and nona >rand town right now. Elements is also fine.

Skeptical of Aisa's 95 - it seems like she's totally misrepresenting what Elements said here. I'd like her to clarify her thought process behind the question.

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Spoiler: Context

I like Pavowski for town
I want to tr nona but those three posts could easily be from scum

And Pavowski's grand total of eight posts could not come from scum?

I like Pavowski for town
I want to tr nona but those three posts could easily be from scum

And Pavowski's grand total of eight posts could not come from scum?

It is so weird to shade somebody for only having 8 posts at this point in the game. What are we, like, sixteen hours in?

I mean there would be more but nobody was around to meme with last night

It's ok, I'll prove to you that I'm town soon enough

Unless you know it already

Cheeky bunny

It came out prickly, but the intention was to ask Elements about the apparent inconsistency in her reads, not to shade you. I have no problem with your posting so far.

Ok Elements I guess I’ll just ask you directly. I remember you as mostly a lurker/low content slot why does it feel like you’re extra engaged this game so far

I took a hiatus for a couple of years, now I'm back with energy. Still excited for more mafia after the game that ended that Aisa was in and be got bamboozled

This is, in fact, my working theory about you so far.

Also same, except I'm back with an extra dose of cynicism and paranoia. Maybe I can be the biggest downer and joy killer in this game?

Doesn't seem like much has happened since I was here.

I think Una is wrong about Nona - her posts seem fine and I don't see the iioa at all. I think I would call both una and nona >rand town right now. Elements is also fine.

Skeptical of Aisa's 95 - it seems like she's totally misrepresenting what Elements said here. I'd like her to clarify her thought process behind the question.

Buckle up

I wasn't trying to imply that Pavowski's post count mattered in an important way, if that's what you were implying. The post came out worded a bit weirdly.

I noticed what seemed like a possible inconsistency: if you are going to reserve judgment on Nona, why not also reserve judgment on Pavowski, whose posts were not that much less fakeable?

I think I was aware that Elements could have had genuine reasons for those reads. Pavowski and Nona seem to have different characters and it was totally possible that Elements had seen *something* in Pavowski's posting. However, I'm not going to just sit and be like "oh hmm I guess this isn't that scummy after all, maybe there is no need to question it"? The post was there and I decided to ask a question about it.

Alright. I think I just misunderstood you and this won't be fruitful.

What does

skeptical

mean here? What are you skeptical of?

It means I saw something that seemed odd and wanted to ask about it, but I'm not suspicious yet.

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I think Junko's treatment of Dannflor looks genuine and she's probably town. Not really impressed with what I've seen from Dann so far though.

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@IV - what are your thoughts on Una?

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Moonview, can you describe why exactly you call Una greater than rand town?

Also what does "elements is fine" mean exactly

I think Una is town because her approach on Nona feels a bit sloppy? If she's primarily concerned about surviving the day and looking good I think it's less likely she takes this angle because she will more likely be thinking about how sensible the push appears and optics.

With elements, I like her push on you. Also I'm trying to buddy her because we both believe in Antarctic conspiracies.

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Shrug, I mean my interpretation is fallible and maybe I'm misunderstanding the interaction. I don't really think there's anything in her post that looks like iioa and the post you pointed out looked alignment distinguished to me, so my read is based on that.

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VOTE: Una

What were you thinking here?

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My league references have no power here

Wait Ydrasse isn't actually here

No you have to believe me I'm ydrasse! I league the legends all the time.

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Oh fuck

Would you like to elaborate further

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Following the trend of posting reads lists;
{Elements, Nona, Una}
{Aisa, Junko}
{Pavowski}
{Dannflor, innocentvillager}

I don't think much has changed since I was here last.

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Haha, do you think I'm actually Ydrasse?

Regardless I'd like to see some examples of this anxious energy I apparently have.

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I think Junko's treatment of Dannflor looks genuine and she's probably town. Not really impressed with what I've seen from Dann so far though.

Like, for example, I don’t understand why the second half of this post exists

I had not done anything at this point in the game nor *tried* to do anything. Half of my posts were naked votes. Like, it would be revelatory if you were impressed. I don’t know why you felt a need to say this, it feels like it was out there because you felt like you needed to pad at your post or produce more sorty thoughts, not because you thought this was an important opinion to share with the world

I don’t see town!you thinking that and thinking that’s something you need to share unless you’re a little anxious about making sure you’re always sharing reads and looking townie

I have a difficult time believing this is a genuine argument given the context of the thread when I made that remark. Not only did Junko call you town confidently, you acknowledged this and responded to it.

Haha, do you think I'm actually Ydrasse?

Regardless I'd like to see some examples of this anxious energy I apparently have.

Were you lying

I prefer the word "joking"

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The timing of it is really weird for town to come into the thread at that point and think that’s the most important thread to respond to

I think this is a really weird way for town who is genuinely sorting my posts to phrase this. Like, it's super purposefully uncharitable and I do not think this is a genuine thought process at all.

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Blah I am somewhat less confident you are scum

Can you explain what made your elements read go from fine to top town

Nothing, top town is just a low bar here.

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Junko called me town based off of a mechanical reason

Who had said they town read my posts

Again, I really struggle to believe you are not doing this on purpose.

I acknowledge it is possible for me to be biased here. I'm going to leave the thread for now and check back here later.

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VOTE: pavowski

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I've been thinking and now how some thoughts

Una is probably not scum, because 1 mafia could have hammered?

unless they were both arlready in there

Wait, what?

> Una is at E-1
> Mafia sees it and doesn't hammer

How do these two facts imply Una is town?

if one scum partner hammers town he just tree stumps himself

in this setup they benefit a lot from ending this phase early

This just seems straight up wrong? If it's advantageous for scum to hammer immediately then surely if someone is at E-1 and isn't hammered, surely that's scum indicative for the wagonned party?
With how quickly Dann unvoted I agree it's probably insignificant but as Aisa posted before the unvote that makes me think she isn't scum with town!Una. Which I'm surprised Junko didn't mention?

@Aisa true, but what are the odds that the first wagon of the game was on scum?

This seems so disingenuous looking back on it. Junko pointed out a reason to think Una is town, that's just wrong? then gets questioned on it leading to the above quote that isn't in any way meaningful and uses false logic. It's a soft town push on Una, that comes after the previous town push that was questioned.

this ^ is all working off an Una/Junko team. Outside of that I think it looks worse for Junko.
VOTE: Junkochan

I mean, I agree with you that Junko is pretty plainly wrong about everything she was saying there, but I think it's more town indicative than scum indicative honestly? People do not like admitting that they are wrong and generally like to stick to their beliefs in my experience. If anything it points to her being invested in her logic being right, as opposed to scum who wouldn't really care and would be fine admitting their 'deductions' were wrong since they never actually believed any of it mattered.

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Pavowski’s also probably town.

I don't really agree. I think his vote on my wagon was really really really bad.

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Ask questions if you have any!

Why is your avatar so cute?

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Pavowski, Moon is probably still Ydrasse but even if she isn’t, what is scum!Moon’s possible motive for claiming to lie about that? How does that further some kind of scum agenda in your mind? I’m well aware of lim all liars - if it even is an actual lie and not what I’m more inclined to view as probable trolling - but that’s a terrible reason for voting her.

I mean, it was a joke. I posted it right after Una said she was Isis.

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I'd be interested in what people not on my wagon think of dannflor.

The thing that made me think his push on me wasn't genuine was the part he said I was scum because I shitposted and that wasn't the most important thing I could post upon entering the thread. I think that's an unfair standard to hold my posting to and I don't see why Dann pushes that line of argument as town. Is my assessment there unfair?

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Wait Ydrasse isn't actually here

My league references have no power here

My league references have no power here

Wait Ydrasse isn't actually here

No you have to believe me I'm ydrasse! I league the legends all the time.

I am not sure how anyone could read this sequence of posts and believe I am actually ydrasse

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Sorry if that came out wrong. I am not trying to criticise anyone for thinking I am ydrasse, I miss stuff like that all the time and I guess I could be ydrasse pretending to not be ydrasse or something. I am just surprised it seems to be such a common belief.

From now on I am treating RVS as serious business!

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I didn't vote Moon just because of the Ydrasse thing (as I said to IV shortly ago, I have expended all the fooks on that one that I'm gonna)

I mean, you didn't give any other reason afaik.

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Also to say that I’m scum reading Moon for fluff posting isn’t really accurate

I think there’s a difference between town fluff posting and scum fluff posting and then there’s not alignment indicative fluff posting

The timing and tone of Moon’s has me leaning towards scum fluff posting

I don’t expect that particular point to be very convincing to anyone not named me but it is a feeling I currently have in my bones

Ok but the reasoning you gave is that shitposting is not The Most Important Thing I Could Have Done At That Time.

I find it thoroughly unconvincing that you as town would think that people meme because it is the most important thing they could be doing in the context of a mafia game.

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I agree I don't really get the Moonview wagon. Dann's push is, uh, strange. Not saying Moonview is town yet either however.

This is kind of similar of what other people have asked so it's fine if you fold this into a post you were already going to make on this subject, but getting an answer on this matters to me - what exactly is your read on me and Dannflor right now?

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I didn't vote Moon just because of the Ydrasse thing (as I said to IV shortly ago, I have expended all the fooks on that one that I'm gonna)

I mean, you didn't give any other reason afaik.

I am allowed to have secret reasons, but just to name a few

1. I agree with Dann's points about you, generally
2. Wagons make things happen and I wanted to see what would happen
3. Una wagon experiment was over for the moment
4. The lolz

I still feel like none of these are actual reasons

I mean the first one could be hypothetically but it is not substantiated at all.

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@Aisa;

I can't make up my mind about what Dann not hammering Una means, so I'm just going to ignore that. I don't agree with Dann's push on Moon (I think the push is weird, not you, Dann! You seem nice :3). I don't know Dann very well, but it sounds like multiple people here think they are a competent scum player who could fake what they have done so far, in which case townreading them seems like a mistake?

It's kind of difficult for me to interpret this and it does feel a bit hedgy. Are you leaning scum on Dann, do you think his push is scummy?

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Hedging generally equals not taking a position

Not taking a position feels to other players like waiting to see which way the wind blows

Which is not in and of itself scummy but it certainly carries the look and connotation of not being not scummy

This post is hedgey.

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Well I guess I know who to ask if I ever need a ydrasse expert

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The alt name is actually a mario kart wii reference but I didn't tell you that

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Moon, who do you suspect and why?

iv, pavowski, una

iv has done nothing all game, pavowski has done nothing that isn't awful, una's votehop was even worse than pavowski

dannflor maybe? apparently it is normal town gameplay to scumread me for making a joke, so whatever. could also be you possibly but since we have like exactly two elims in this setup i don't think i would ever care to advocate limming you

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Sadly, due to many components involving critical analysis of your intention, timing and comprehension of reading the thread, I have concluded making that joke makes you confirmed scum because it is not the most important thing you could have posted at this time.

VOTE: JunkoChan

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deliberately harping on the alt thing

????????????????????

I really hope you are scum this game.

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Well I'm not "ending it" per se

I just felt like making things interesting

very interesting. incredible work

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Moonview's reactions are worse than the case really

so true

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Ah yes, also I think Pav can be town for now though I'd still like an answer to my last question.

IV, do you think you'll ever have thoughts about the game?

Probably but not certain. I haven’t played in like maybe almost a year? Maybe less idk? My old playstyle was very obvtown as town and not obvtown as scum so it was fairly easy to read me. It was an unsustainable way of playing for me and I’m getting back into it sort of so I don’t really know what’s going to happen

Um, maybe I'm misunderstanding this post, but it seems like you are saying you're getting back into the playstyle of being very obvtown as town and 'not obvtown' as scum? Do you think you are very obvtown in this game?

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I think Una's vote on my wagon is probably the worst of them.

I think moon is being a little reductive on the reasons people suspect her and its something a bit more likely as a reaction from scum. Which is unfortunate if she is town and frustrated. But deliberately harping on the alt thing when most of Dann's points were identity independent is yugg

This post bothers me a lot. I don't think it's accurate at all - the wording of 'deliberately harping on the alt thing' seems like a way to twist what I said to make me look worse when I think Una probably 'harped' on the alt thing more than I did. For someone who says I'm being 'reductive' on the people suspect me, she also gives like, literally zero reasoning outside of this. I mean, basically the entire wagon is based on little more than me making a joke when it is not the most important thing I could have been doing at that time in the thread and people 'wanting to see what happens' in a game where mafia have little incentive not to hammer at E-1, but whatever. It looks like she feels compelled to add her own 'evidence' to the pile but I struggle to believe town!isis thinks this is actually a good argument. I also think that if she was town there would be like, some attempt to engage with me or ask me something rather than just making vague posts like 437 that my "reaction is bad". And 438 responding to Aisa's post with "are you scum" rather than anything substantial is just like, "yugg" in her words.

I also think mafia have more reason to jump on a wagon like mine in this setup; if mafia get eliminated on day 1, they lose, so it makes sense to try and add momentum to town wagons, especially since they know one of them will have to be sacrificed so there's not necessarily any reason to plan for how you will look after a town flip.

VOTE: Una

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I mean I think it's just a dismissive post that doesn't address anything. I agree scum would be more likely to do something else in a vacuum but I think it makes more sense for scum to do than for town to do.

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I mean in the nicest possible way I think I would expect more from Isis than I would from Pavowski

Also I think he has made like, more of an effort to engage in the way I would expect town to anyway by like re evaluating and at least admitting he's being memey about it. Although I am also confused about his voting decisions

I agree about iv obviously lole

pedit: if aisa is scum she pocketed me gg

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VOTE: Aisa

honestly though if you're town I think it's more likely at least one scum treated your wagon as radioactive waste, maybe both if they don't know who wants to end game yet

but one scum is probably gonna be playing for the most *optics* they possibly can

that means defending "bad" town wagons, generally posting lots of walls, blah blah etc.

My serious response to this is that I don't think I am interested in hunting for the deepwolf today considering we just need to Kill A Scum to win

I don't think I will vote out of {IV, pav, una} today

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Ok Elements, what are your thoughts on Moon, and/or what are your thoughts on Moon being e-2?

I think Moon is prob town.
2? of the votes of Moon are about her not being Ydrasse so idk what to think about that

elements pocketed me here

Seriously I think her early game was towny enough and the focus on junko felt like a town thing to me, and obviously she has been busy lately but like, idk I don't see her as close to being as likely scum than the three i mentioned

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I mean I guess I just strongly disagree with the outlook that scum is going to be off my wagon

I believe that scum would have an incentive to push my wagon through to avoid the possibility of a scum elimination on day 1, and the justifications given are very unconvincing. Obviously I am biased, but shrug that's still my perspective

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That was not the joke that Dann called me scum for - he did not even recognise that as a joke - and I am increasingly convinced you did not read the posts you claimed to be sheeping.

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Can you guys stop putting people at E1 for five seconds

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k

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Which part did convince you so much

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What exactly convinced you that I was posting just to post

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I really find it difficult to believe that was actually the extent of your reasoning and you weren't trying to engage at all or explain anything even at the point I was getting run up to E1

Like seriously how is it such a crime to say I'm not impressed by someone's posting. It wasn't as if he was some sort of universal scumread that it was completely redundant to bring up as I had already pointed out at that point

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k

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Signing up for this was a massive mistake. Mafia is just not a fun game

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I mean I am kind of expecting IV's next post to be an aisa hammer

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>:(

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hot take junko is a wolf

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hot take junko is a wolf

Shit the fk up, i said from the beginning that elements was fishy af

hot take junko is a wolf

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kinda sussy that junko is still alive ngl

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im just trying to fill the void

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am i missing something that makes una not confirmed town here

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Um